They did go 16:9 but they did it right, you have to give them credit. A 1920x1080 is a high resolution even though it's 16:9. Could be worse, look at all the PC's in the $1100-$1500 range, they are using the 1680x960 res which (and I'm using one) is a little off. HP's are 1920x1080 but they start a lot higher (touchscreen too).
Spreadsheets might actually look and work well in that ratio. I know the medical clinic's I manage, got a call last night about getting in 2 27's for CT,Xray, Ultrasound work... Looks like it hit home with a lot of people.
The blu-ray issue... Not sure why we didn't see that... It can't be licensing because Final Cut supports it, The OS itself supports it (FreeBSD shows support for BR Burning and reading). I think the Codec's for playback may be the issue still or cost/ability to produce enough slot loads. I've got an external coming in, once I know I'll post about it.
That MacMini bump... That was a smooth move though. The top-end Mini is now more than worth the price IMO. And the low end is a bargain. It's a very efficient system that produces desktop performance. A Mini MacPro would be sweet. I'd go for something at $999 with the High End Mini specs, ATI 46xx graphics and Desktop RAM and HD.
I realy wanted a new iMac but instead I'm seriously now thinking of a Mini hooked up to my 32 screened LCD HD. Save $1,000.
Did they ever stop and think that the reliance on all in ones and small form factor machines might be a major reason desktop sales are sagging. The general users are moving to laptops and desktop users just aren't interested in.
So that settles it, we'll also get rid of the Macbook Pros with discrete graphics and the Macbook Air and the xserve and just have one or two models for very ordinary users. Get off the kool aid and use your head a little bit. Where does Apple play that isn't a niche?
Desktop sales are sagging, BECUASE DESKTOP SALES ARE SAGGING IN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
And your other paragraph is easily negated by the fact that notebooks and portables are surging, hence all the available variety. And it'll stay that way.
Look at the clock, pal. 10 days left til November. The timing IS perfect. Think you're scoring points for these silly negative posts?
November has 30 days the last time I checked, "pal". Only an idiot would buy something anyway that hasn't been tested and /or reviewed in the first place.
The blu-ray issue... Not sure why we didn't see that... It can't be licensing because Final Cut supports it, The OS itself supports it (FreeBSD shows support for BR Burning and reading). I think the Codec's for playback may be the issue still or cost/ability to produce enough slot loads. I've got an external coming in, once I know I'll post about it.
Which external BR drive did you order? I was looking at the OWC Mercury Pro 12x BR burner for $350. Supposedly, they use the newest Pioneer drive and I figured I could remove it from the external enclosure and install it in a Mac Pro when I eventually get one but use it with my iMac for now.
Did they ever stop and think that the reliance on all in ones and small form factor machines might be a major reason desktop sales are sagging. The general users are moving to laptops and desktop users just aren't interested in.
So that settles it, we'll also get rid of the Macbook Pros with discrete graphics and the Macbook Air and the xserve and just have one or two models for very ordinary users. Get off the kool aid and use your head a little bit. Where does Apple play that isn't a niche?
I'm with you on this one
- although I think the new iMacs are attractive, I'd still prefer a Mini Mac Pro, with a room for a decent graphics card
- ok, the graphics in the new iMacs are good
- but they are already 'previous generation' cards
- lacking DX11 support (is there an OpenGL equivalent yet)
- so, it's a premium product, that offers a sub-premium graphics card
- which may ok (ish) now, but if you buy a 27" iMac, you're going to want it to last 3+ years
- also, soon (maybe) we'll have Fermi as well, which will offer interesting opertunities with OpenCL & CUDA
- but anyone interested in that would need to go for a full MacPro, which is probably uneconomic.
Having said that, I guess it could be argued that the iMac range does cover 90+% of the likely customers.....
You know what I'm saying? Do people actually think before they post stuff like that?
In my experience, when a manufacturer gave an estimate of a certain month, it almost always meant the end of that month. That's not to say that Apple might not ship the top-end iMac the 1st week, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
In my experience, when a manufacturer gave an estimate of a certain month, it almost always meant the end of that month. That's not to say that Apple might not ship the top-end iMac the 1st week, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Quadra 610- are you reading this in between sips of your morning Koolatra brew?
While not taking anything away from the new iMacs, they are really great. However, many still crave a mid sized, well priced desk top (as in a tower) so they can 'tinker' with cards yet don't need the high end Mac Pro. I am lucky enough to own a Mac Pro but I often wonder if I didn't need one for work if I'd go for an iMac after always being able to change cards. I also suspect many PC Geeks may prefer this approach too and be more likely to switch if they can mess with the insides at a price they can afford.
Many crave a midsize tower configuration on these pages and other geek(y) forums, but even in the PC world by far most people do not tinker with their computers other than perhaps adding RAM. Apple does not cater for niche markets and I can't see that changing. Because PC boxes are so basic - design wise - they have always lent themselves to tinkering. Mac's did that too for a little while (remember the 4400?) but realistically the only people that tinker are serious gamers (PC) and high end users (MacPro). Geeks are niche and I doubt Apple will ever change its ways to serve the geek.
While not taking anything away from the new iMacs, they are really great. However, many still crave a mid sized, well priced desk top (as in a tower) so they can 'tinker' with cards yet don't need the high end Mac Pro. I am lucky enough to own a Mac Pro but I often wonder if I didn't need one for work if I'd go for an iMac after always being able to change cards. I also suspect many PC Geeks may prefer this approach too and be more likely to switch if they can mess with the insides at a price they can afford.
I will tell you what would have been nice and made me make a purchase. A quad core in a 13" MBP.
i don't understand why you want QUAD CORE ??
there is no real-estate left to cool down such an over heated chip . the mbp's are very hot right now
Quote:
Originally Posted by caljomac
Hahah the new iMac is the best ever, im not surprised
my wife would shoot me >>>>>
but i also hunger also for a family style mac for me and the kids to use
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud
And who exactly was clamoring for a 16:9 display?? Scientists? Financial analysts? And to offer it without Blu-ray? RIDICULOUS.
blur ay os dead
also it is so expensive
And it competes against apple better formated HD DL movies ..
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud
Not available until November for the only one worth buying and that's "perfect"? Keep smoking.
stop it dude or I will switch your matte screen iphone with a glossy one
Quote:
Originally Posted by xwiredtva
They did go 16:9 but they did it right, you have to give them credit. A 1920x1080 is a high resolution even though it's 16:9. Could be worse, look at all the PC's in the $1100-$1500 range, they are using the 1680x960 res which (and I'm using one) is a little off. HP's are 1920x1080 but they start a lot higher (touchscreen too).
Spreadsheets might actually look and work well in that ratio. I know the medical clinic's I manage, got a call last night about getting in 2 27's for CT,Xray, Ultrasound work... Looks like it hit home with a lot of people.
The blu-ray issue... Not sure why we didn't see that... It can't be licensing because Final Cut supports it, The OS itself supports it (FreeBSD shows support for BR Burning and reading). I think the Codec's for playback may be the issue still or cost/ability to produce enough slot loads. I've got an external coming in, once I know I'll post about it.
That MacMini bump... That was a smooth move though. The top-end Mini is now more than worth the price IMO. And the low end is a bargain. It's a very efficient system that produces desktop performance. A Mini MacPro would be sweet. I'd go for something at $999 with the High End Mini specs, ATI 46xx graphics and Desktop RAM and HD.
great read
thanks for the timely info
Quote:
Originally Posted by phalanx
Yeah, they should have "huge" growth. They may get clear up to 10% market share I shouldn't wonder.
I think it interesting that Windows has just experienced it's biggest mis-step in its entire existance with Vista, and Apple gained a whopping 2.5% market share. BTW, that growth has primarily been driven by their gadget market share.
But then, apple would not be able to continue to be apple in the PC world if they gain a significant market share.
in the market where apple competes they OWN A %91 MARKET SHARE
NPD add's in all the shit in the world to get its numbers
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud
I realy wanted a new iMac but instead I'm seriously now thinking of a Mini hooked up to my 32 screened LCD HD. Save $1,000.
dude for what most people need or use there machines for the white mac book is more than enough
so the mini should be fine for grandads like you who want to surf the net like you .
for me the mbp 15 3.02 ghz is ten x more power than i will ever need
What makes you think there will be a Mac Pro update in Nov? I was going to buy a new one today, but I could wait a couple of weeks. Any thoughts? I don't want to wait months, but I could wait weeks...
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark2005
Whether or not the timing was perfect (i.e. air freight costs), Apple is in for another record quarter.
There still looks to be a small MacPro bump in Nov.
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They did go 16:9 but they did it right, you have to give them credit. A 1920x1080 is a high resolution even though it's 16:9. Could be worse, look at all the PC's in the $1100-$1500 range, they are using the 1680x960 res which (and I'm using one) is a little off. HP's are 1920x1080 but they start a lot higher (touchscreen too).
Spreadsheets might actually look and work well in that ratio. I know the medical clinic's I manage, got a call last night about getting in 2 27's for CT,Xray, Ultrasound work... Looks like it hit home with a lot of people.
The blu-ray issue... Not sure why we didn't see that... It can't be licensing because Final Cut supports it, The OS itself supports it (FreeBSD shows support for BR Burning and reading). I think the Codec's for playback may be the issue still or cost/ability to produce enough slot loads. I've got an external coming in, once I know I'll post about it.
That MacMini bump... That was a smooth move though. The top-end Mini is now more than worth the price IMO. And the low end is a bargain. It's a very efficient system that produces desktop performance. A Mini MacPro would be sweet. I'd go for something at $999 with the High End Mini specs, ATI 46xx graphics and Desktop RAM and HD.
I realy wanted a new iMac but instead I'm seriously now thinking of a Mini hooked up to my 32 screened LCD HD. Save $1,000.
Did they ever stop and think that the reliance on all in ones and small form factor machines might be a major reason desktop sales are sagging. The general users are moving to laptops and desktop users just aren't interested in.
So that settles it, we'll also get rid of the Macbook Pros with discrete graphics and the Macbook Air and the xserve and just have one or two models for very ordinary users. Get off the kool aid and use your head a little bit. Where does Apple play that isn't a niche?
Desktop sales are sagging, BECUASE DESKTOP SALES ARE SAGGING IN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
And your other paragraph is easily negated by the fact that notebooks and portables are surging, hence all the available variety. And it'll stay that way.
Look at the clock, pal. 10 days left til November. The timing IS perfect. Think you're scoring points for these silly negative posts?
November has 30 days the last time I checked, "pal". Only an idiot would buy something anyway that hasn't been tested and /or reviewed in the first place.
The blu-ray issue... Not sure why we didn't see that... It can't be licensing because Final Cut supports it, The OS itself supports it (FreeBSD shows support for BR Burning and reading). I think the Codec's for playback may be the issue still or cost/ability to produce enough slot loads. I've got an external coming in, once I know I'll post about it.
Which external BR drive did you order? I was looking at the OWC Mercury Pro 12x BR burner for $350. Supposedly, they use the newest Pioneer drive and I figured I could remove it from the external enclosure and install it in a Mac Pro when I eventually get one but use it with my iMac for now.
November is 30 days last time I checked, "pal". Only an idiot would buy something anyway that hasn't been tested and /or reviewed in the first place.
It's not like they're gonna start shipping the minute the clock strikes 12:00 on Nov. 1st.
Apple isn't going to spend time developing a hole into which they can throw money.
No- but they can develop a hole like the AppleTV and expect you to keep throwing your own money in the iTunes store.
It's not like they're gonna start shipping the minute the clock strikes 12:00 on Nov. 1st.
You know what I'm saying? Do people actually think before they post stuff like that?
Did they ever stop and think that the reliance on all in ones and small form factor machines might be a major reason desktop sales are sagging. The general users are moving to laptops and desktop users just aren't interested in.
So that settles it, we'll also get rid of the Macbook Pros with discrete graphics and the Macbook Air and the xserve and just have one or two models for very ordinary users. Get off the kool aid and use your head a little bit. Where does Apple play that isn't a niche?
I'm with you on this one
- although I think the new iMacs are attractive, I'd still prefer a Mini Mac Pro, with a room for a decent graphics card
- ok, the graphics in the new iMacs are good
- but they are already 'previous generation' cards
- lacking DX11 support (is there an OpenGL equivalent yet)
- so, it's a premium product, that offers a sub-premium graphics card
- which may ok (ish) now, but if you buy a 27" iMac, you're going to want it to last 3+ years
- also, soon (maybe) we'll have Fermi as well, which will offer interesting opertunities with OpenCL & CUDA
- but anyone interested in that would need to go for a full MacPro, which is probably uneconomic.
Having said that, I guess it could be argued that the iMac range does cover 90+% of the likely customers.....
You know what I'm saying? Do people actually think before they post stuff like that?
In my experience, when a manufacturer gave an estimate of a certain month, it almost always meant the end of that month. That's not to say that Apple might not ship the top-end iMac the 1st week, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
In my experience, when a manufacturer gave an estimate of a certain month, it almost always meant the end of that month. That's not to say that Apple might not ship the top-end iMac the 1st week, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Quadra 610- are you reading this in between sips of your morning Koolatra brew?
Quadra 610- are you reading this in between sips of your morning Koolatra brew?
Starbucks vanilla latte. Whipped cream and all.
While not taking anything away from the new iMacs, they are really great. However, many still crave a mid sized, well priced desk top (as in a tower) so they can 'tinker' with cards yet don't need the high end Mac Pro. I am lucky enough to own a Mac Pro but I often wonder if I didn't need one for work if I'd go for an iMac after always being able to change cards. I also suspect many PC Geeks may prefer this approach too and be more likely to switch if they can mess with the insides at a price they can afford.
Many crave a midsize tower configuration on these pages and other geek(y) forums, but even in the PC world by far most people do not tinker with their computers other than perhaps adding RAM. Apple does not cater for niche markets and I can't see that changing. Because PC boxes are so basic - design wise - they have always lent themselves to tinkering. Mac's did that too for a little while (remember the 4400?) but realistically the only people that tinker are serious gamers (PC) and high end users (MacPro). Geeks are niche and I doubt Apple will ever change its ways to serve the geek.
nevermind.
You actualy pulled your post? Don't worry I have it stored in my Time Machine for future reference.
While not taking anything away from the new iMacs, they are really great. However, many still crave a mid sized, well priced desk top (as in a tower) so they can 'tinker' with cards yet don't need the high end Mac Pro. I am lucky enough to own a Mac Pro but I often wonder if I didn't need one for work if I'd go for an iMac after always being able to change cards. I also suspect many PC Geeks may prefer this approach too and be more likely to switch if they can mess with the insides at a price they can afford.
exactly what cards do you swap out ??
peace
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Apple's timing with these updates was perfect.
I think Apple is in for another record quarter, thanks to the hardware refresh + Christmas.
yes sir
is firing on all cylinders right now
bp
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peace
You actualy pulled your post? Don't worry I have it stored in my Time Machine for future reference.
Sometimes it just isn't worth it.
Sometimes it just isn't worth it.
You're right!
W
I will tell you what would have been nice and made me make a purchase. A quad core in a 13" MBP.
i don't understand why you want QUAD CORE ??
there is no real-estate left to cool down such an over heated chip . the mbp's are very hot right now
Hahah the new iMac is the best ever, im not surprised
my wife would shoot me >>>>>
but i also hunger also for a family style mac for me and the kids to use
And who exactly was clamoring for a 16:9 display?? Scientists? Financial analysts? And to offer it without Blu-ray? RIDICULOUS.
blur ay os dead
also it is so expensive
And it competes against apple better formated HD DL movies ..
Not available until November for the only one worth buying and that's "perfect"? Keep smoking.
stop it dude or I will switch your matte screen iphone with a glossy one
They did go 16:9 but they did it right, you have to give them credit. A 1920x1080 is a high resolution even though it's 16:9. Could be worse, look at all the PC's in the $1100-$1500 range, they are using the 1680x960 res which (and I'm using one) is a little off. HP's are 1920x1080 but they start a lot higher (touchscreen too).
Spreadsheets might actually look and work well in that ratio. I know the medical clinic's I manage, got a call last night about getting in 2 27's for CT,Xray, Ultrasound work... Looks like it hit home with a lot of people.
The blu-ray issue... Not sure why we didn't see that... It can't be licensing because Final Cut supports it, The OS itself supports it (FreeBSD shows support for BR Burning and reading). I think the Codec's for playback may be the issue still or cost/ability to produce enough slot loads. I've got an external coming in, once I know I'll post about it.
That MacMini bump... That was a smooth move though. The top-end Mini is now more than worth the price IMO. And the low end is a bargain. It's a very efficient system that produces desktop performance. A Mini MacPro would be sweet. I'd go for something at $999 with the High End Mini specs, ATI 46xx graphics and Desktop RAM and HD.
great read
thanks for the timely info
Yeah, they should have "huge" growth. They may get clear up to 10% market share I shouldn't wonder.
I think it interesting that Windows has just experienced it's biggest mis-step in its entire existance with Vista, and Apple gained a whopping 2.5% market share. BTW, that growth has primarily been driven by their gadget market share.
But then, apple would not be able to continue to be apple in the PC world if they gain a significant market share.
in the market where apple competes they OWN A %91 MARKET SHARE
NPD add's in all the shit in the world to get its numbers
I realy wanted a new iMac but instead I'm seriously now thinking of a Mini hooked up to my 32 screened LCD HD. Save $1,000.
dude for what most people need or use there machines for the white mac book is more than enough
so the mini should be fine for grandads like you who want to surf the net like you .
for me the mbp 15 3.02 ghz is ten x more power than i will ever need
my ego demand this over the top power
i guess
peace my friend
Whether or not the timing was perfect (i.e. air freight costs), Apple is in for another record quarter.
There still looks to be a small MacPro bump in Nov.