My kids broke my 24" iMac last week, they snagged the power cord and it went flying off of my desk and smashed the screen. My insurance company picked up the iMac this week with the view to repair or replace it. Kinda hoping they replace it with the 27" one now, seeing as it is cheaper too.
Also, beware, Apple didn't use safety glass so. If your iMac glass screen breaks it shatters and is razor sharp.
Make sure you communicate your wishes to the insurance company. If the current equivalent is 27" and it is cheaper they need to know, or else they will source the 24" from somewhere. Don't just inform them - insist. Ultimately they don't care but they are none too bright (from personal experience!)
My kids broke my 24" iMac last week, they snagged the power cord and it went flying off of my desk and smashed the screen. My insurance company picked up the iMac this week with the view to repair or replace it. Kinda hoping they replace it with the 27" one now, seeing as it is cheaper too.
Also, beware, Apple didn't use safety glass so. If your iMac glass screen breaks it shatters and is razor sharp.
how unfortunate event knowing that a week ago apple was going to revamp the inventory
Many crave a midsize tower configuration on these pages and other geek(y) forums, but even in the PC world by far most people do not tinker with their computers other than perhaps adding RAM.
I think this, and the correlated point that the iMac completely meets the needs of probably greater than 95% of potential desktop customers, is exactly to the point. It's just not worth the engineering effort for Apple to produce a 'tower' midway between the Mini and Pro when the iMac is just fine for the vast majority of the potential market. So, while those tiny few who "must have" this system may go on clamoring for it, they might as well face the reality that it's not coming anytime soon. This isn't like matte screens on MBPs, this is something that doesn't make any financial sense for Apple to produce.
I also question how long the apparent preference for laptops will continue. Mine has sat at home nearly 100% of the time, and since I got an iPhone, completely 100% of the time. (Of course, if work provided me with a MBP, that might be different.) My next system will very likely be a 27" iMac because it doesn't seem to make sense to pay more for a much smaller screen, slower CPU, smaller HD, less RAM, and a portability that I'm unlikely to use, especially with a computer that fits in my pocket and doesn't require me to haul it around in its own bag. (And, of course, I'll still have the old one should I ever really need it.) Maybe my thoughts on this are completely at odds with most of the buying public, but I can't help wondering what the "next" system will be for all the people who are buying laptops (Mac and non-Mac) now.
Who is "many"? Many on Apple fansites? Which means a minority of a minority of Apple's market.
If there was actually enough demand for it, we might have seen one already. Desktop sales are horrible in the entire industry. Apple isn't going to spend time developing a hole into which they can throw money.
Did they ever stop and think that the reliance on all in ones and small form factor machines might be a major reason desktop sales are sagging. The general users are moving to laptops and desktop users just aren't interested in.
There were similar lineups in both this past quarter and the same quarter last year. The reliance on small form factors and all in ones isn't why sales went down since we are comparing the sales to a quarter where they relied on small form factors and all in ones. Sales sagged because as you noted, there is a general trend laptops and lately Apples portable lineup as been much attractive and more loved by Apple than their desktop lineup. These new iMacs will bring a surge in sales for Apple desktops, but probably at the expense of some laptops.
The lack of a mid range desktop, if anything could be considered a growth limiter. A mid range desktop would bring in people that have never used a mac before. The question would be how many, as that market is shrinking. I would actually give all in ones and small form factor PCs a much greater chance of survival in the long run. The advantage of a desktop is in its performance. If that advantage is no longer relevant, the desktop needs a new advantage, and that is where these computers come into the picture.
For Apple the lack of a mid range tower is obviously a business decision. Due to shrinking demand for these towers, the margins are razor thin. Are the increased unit sales they would achieve worth the lowering of margins from people buying a tower instead of an iMac? Thus far, that answer appears to be no, unless the cheaper upcoming products Apple referred to were actually mid range towers (I'm going to guess no, not a chance, but you never know).
I have a 24" Aluminum 2.8 Core 2. I bought the new 27" Quad core because with the turbo and hyperthreading = big performance increase - the 512MB graphics card and whats really cool is the 4 memory slots so you can add memory for much less incremental cost. I use fusion as well and believe that it will be more responsive with more cores and in 64bit.
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While I really like the new iMac and even want one to replace my current Aluminum 24", there is not enough there to entice me to do this. The SD card slot is way over do, the 16:9 ratio is nice and I would love to have the extra width when doing my CAD work, and the LED is another one of those nice things that I just can live without until something happens to my current machine. The only reason worth upgrading IMHO is the quad core option.
However, I am not going to pay a high premium for the quad core during this economy. I am in Fusion all day long with AutoCAD and while the extra processors would be nice, I don't think this will move those with an aluminum display to move now.
It might entice new buyers though.
I will tell you what would have been nice and made me make a purchase. A quad core in a 13" MBP.
The same people clamoring for some tower xMac are always the ones also claiming that it's stupid to buy an iMac when you can assemble a more powerful machine yourself for half the price and then say we are all stupid for buying an iMac. Well which is it? You say you'd buy an xMac but you claim you can build a cheap powerful computer...so then go ahead and make your tower and hackintosh it. No one is stopping you. It never occurs to these geeks that 99% of people can't make their own computers, have no interest in doing so, like to have a single warranty for the product and the better assurance that the system will work smoothly. That is why people buy computers from computer makers, and why people buy cars from carmakers and so on.
The market for a user upgradable xMac is tiny. Why would Apple as a corporation out to make a profit invest money in producing a product for which it will probably lose money? Do people not think they haven't studied this? The all-in-one market is obviously profitable, people like it, and if not they get a mini, which is more than enough for most people's uses. Seriously people, stop this complaining, and even if they made a tower, do you not think it would still be expensive like most Apple products? We'd get more complaining there. So go ahead, you are such a smart geek and love circuit boards and cables so much and tinkering with electronics....then go, build your own machine and stop telling the rest us how stupid we are for not being like you. Assemble all your parts and when you inevitably encounter issues you can spend your time fixing up your tower to your heart's content like a child playing with legos. Apple is not going to serve 1% of the market at a loss, get over it.
And it competes against apple better formated HD DL movies ..
Blu-ray is far from dead.
Players are cheap (unless you're looking to buy a BR player at Shop-rite for $29.99) and movie prices are starting to come down. Not accounting for taste, the latest Transformers movie is $19.99 on BR at Amazon.
Better formatted HD download movies?!? What are you smoking? Where can you download 20-35Mbps average bit-rate 1080/24p movies with lossless audio? Give me a break.
Who is "many"? Many on Apple fansites? Which means a minority of a minority of Apple's market.
If there was actually enough demand for it, we might have seen one already. Desktop sales are horrible in the entire industry. Apple isn't going to spend time developing a hole into which they can throw money.
This is obviously only anecdotal evidence, but when talking about Macs with my friends there are a good 4 or 5 PC users who come to mind who said "I don't want a mac mini or an iMac, I really wish they would come out with a smaller desktop machine".
Of course this might cannibalize the iMac market, which is probably the biggest reason why it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Edit: I expect 1080p to be in the pipeline and I don't know if the current boxes can handle it. Maybe you will get a nice firmware update with new services, who knows. I just think that Apple is going to go after the living room now with some real vigor.
Similarly, analyst Shaw Wu with Kaufman Bros. said that the new iMac and Magic Mouse are the most intriguing products announced by Apple Tuesday. He said the new iMac offers value to consumers and is positioned to be a "sleeper hit."
In his note to investors, Wu said it was particularly interesting that Apple decided to launch so many new products without holding a special event. He called the timing of new products "sooner than expected and somewhat curious."
Nothing curious about it at all. AAPL scooped MSFT's Win7 release. Simple as that.
Similarly, analyst Shaw Wu with Kaufman Bros. said that the new iMac and Magic Mouse are the most intriguing products announced by Apple Tuesday. He said the new iMac offers value to consumers and is positioned to be a "sleeper hit."
I'm not sure if "sleeper" is quite the right adjective here.
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My kids broke my 24" iMac last week, they snagged the power cord and it went flying off of my desk and smashed the screen. My insurance company picked up the iMac this week with the view to repair or replace it. Kinda hoping they replace it with the 27" one now, seeing as it is cheaper too.
Also, beware, Apple didn't use safety glass so. If your iMac glass screen breaks it shatters and is razor sharp.
Make sure you communicate your wishes to the insurance company. If the current equivalent is 27" and it is cheaper they need to know, or else they will source the 24" from somewhere. Don't just inform them - insist. Ultimately they don't care but they are none too bright (from personal experience!)
My kids broke my 24" iMac last week, they snagged the power cord and it went flying off of my desk and smashed the screen. My insurance company picked up the iMac this week with the view to repair or replace it. Kinda hoping they replace it with the 27" one now, seeing as it is cheaper too.
Also, beware, Apple didn't use safety glass so. If your iMac glass screen breaks it shatters and is razor sharp.
how unfortunate event knowing that a week ago apple was going to revamp the inventory
stop it dude or I will switch your matte screen iphone with a glossy one
How did you know I utilize the Power Support Anti-glare Screen Protector for iPhone which allows me to view my Apps outdoors in sunlight?
Many crave a midsize tower configuration on these pages and other geek(y) forums, but even in the PC world by far most people do not tinker with their computers other than perhaps adding RAM.
I think this, and the correlated point that the iMac completely meets the needs of probably greater than 95% of potential desktop customers, is exactly to the point. It's just not worth the engineering effort for Apple to produce a 'tower' midway between the Mini and Pro when the iMac is just fine for the vast majority of the potential market. So, while those tiny few who "must have" this system may go on clamoring for it, they might as well face the reality that it's not coming anytime soon. This isn't like matte screens on MBPs, this is something that doesn't make any financial sense for Apple to produce.
I also question how long the apparent preference for laptops will continue. Mine has sat at home nearly 100% of the time, and since I got an iPhone, completely 100% of the time. (Of course, if work provided me with a MBP, that might be different.) My next system will very likely be a 27" iMac because it doesn't seem to make sense to pay more for a much smaller screen, slower CPU, smaller HD, less RAM, and a portability that I'm unlikely to use, especially with a computer that fits in my pocket and doesn't require me to haul it around in its own bag. (And, of course, I'll still have the old one should I ever really need it.) Maybe my thoughts on this are completely at odds with most of the buying public, but I can't help wondering what the "next" system will be for all the people who are buying laptops (Mac and non-Mac) now.
Who is "many"? Many on Apple fansites? Which means a minority of a minority of Apple's market.
If there was actually enough demand for it, we might have seen one already. Desktop sales are horrible in the entire industry. Apple isn't going to spend time developing a hole into which they can throw money.
Apple tv?
Did they ever stop and think that the reliance on all in ones and small form factor machines might be a major reason desktop sales are sagging. The general users are moving to laptops and desktop users just aren't interested in.
There were similar lineups in both this past quarter and the same quarter last year. The reliance on small form factors and all in ones isn't why sales went down since we are comparing the sales to a quarter where they relied on small form factors and all in ones. Sales sagged because as you noted, there is a general trend laptops and lately Apples portable lineup as been much attractive and more loved by Apple than their desktop lineup. These new iMacs will bring a surge in sales for Apple desktops, but probably at the expense of some laptops.
The lack of a mid range desktop, if anything could be considered a growth limiter. A mid range desktop would bring in people that have never used a mac before. The question would be how many, as that market is shrinking. I would actually give all in ones and small form factor PCs a much greater chance of survival in the long run. The advantage of a desktop is in its performance. If that advantage is no longer relevant, the desktop needs a new advantage, and that is where these computers come into the picture.
For Apple the lack of a mid range tower is obviously a business decision. Due to shrinking demand for these towers, the margins are razor thin. Are the increased unit sales they would achieve worth the lowering of margins from people buying a tower instead of an iMac? Thus far, that answer appears to be no, unless the cheaper upcoming products Apple referred to were actually mid range towers (I'm going to guess no, not a chance, but you never know).
While I really like the new iMac and even want one to replace my current Aluminum 24", there is not enough there to entice me to do this. The SD card slot is way over do, the 16:9 ratio is nice and I would love to have the extra width when doing my CAD work, and the LED is another one of those nice things that I just can live without until something happens to my current machine. The only reason worth upgrading IMHO is the quad core option.
However, I am not going to pay a high premium for the quad core during this economy. I am in Fusion all day long with AutoCAD and while the extra processors would be nice, I don't think this will move those with an aluminum display to move now.
It might entice new buyers though.
I will tell you what would have been nice and made me make a purchase. A quad core in a 13" MBP.
Apple tv?
A "hobby" that is going to become much bigger come Jan/Feb (just a hunch). Wait and see.
Apple tv?
Something actually worth developing. It'll take off with the next update.
What I need is a 30" Cinema Display that plugs into my Mac Book Pro. So I can use my notebook as a desktop when I need a larger display.
The market for a user upgradable xMac is tiny. Why would Apple as a corporation out to make a profit invest money in producing a product for which it will probably lose money? Do people not think they haven't studied this? The all-in-one market is obviously profitable, people like it, and if not they get a mini, which is more than enough for most people's uses. Seriously people, stop this complaining, and even if they made a tower, do you not think it would still be expensive like most Apple products? We'd get more complaining there. So go ahead, you are such a smart geek and love circuit boards and cables so much and tinkering with electronics....then go, build your own machine and stop telling the rest us how stupid we are for not being like you. Assemble all your parts and when you inevitably encounter issues you can spend your time fixing up your tower to your heart's content like a child playing with legos. Apple is not going to serve 1% of the market at a loss, get over it.
Something actually worth developing. It'll take off with the next update.
What happened to your Western Digital love of 2 minutes ago?
blur ay os dead
also it is so expensive
And it competes against apple better formated HD DL movies ..
Blu-ray is far from dead.
Players are cheap (unless you're looking to buy a BR player at Shop-rite for $29.99) and movie prices are starting to come down. Not accounting for taste, the latest Transformers movie is $19.99 on BR at Amazon.
Better formatted HD download movies?!? What are you smoking? Where can you download 20-35Mbps average bit-rate 1080/24p movies with lossless audio? Give me a break.
A "hobby" that is going to become much bigger come Jan/Feb (just a hunch). Wait and see.
So I shouldn't throw out my AppleTV just yet?
Who is "many"? Many on Apple fansites? Which means a minority of a minority of Apple's market.
If there was actually enough demand for it, we might have seen one already. Desktop sales are horrible in the entire industry. Apple isn't going to spend time developing a hole into which they can throw money.
This is obviously only anecdotal evidence, but when talking about Macs with my friends there are a good 4 or 5 PC users who come to mind who said "I don't want a mac mini or an iMac, I really wish they would come out with a smaller desktop machine".
Of course this might cannibalize the iMac market, which is probably the biggest reason why it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
So I shouldn't throw out my AppleTV just yet?
Apple will probably make you buy a new one
Edit: I expect 1080p to be in the pipeline and I don't know if the current boxes can handle it. Maybe you will get a nice firmware update with new services, who knows. I just think that Apple is going to go after the living room now with some real vigor.
Apple will probably make you buy a new one
Good thing I got mine as a gift.
In his note to investors, Wu said it was particularly interesting that Apple decided to launch so many new products without holding a special event. He called the timing of new products "sooner than expected and somewhat curious."
Nothing curious about it at all. AAPL scooped MSFT's Win7 release. Simple as that.
Not available until November for the only one worth buying and that's "perfect"? Keep smoking.
Mmmm... the biggest shopping day of the year, historically, is the Saturday after Thanksgiving-- November 28, this year.
Looks like Apple has timed it pretty well.
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Similarly, analyst Shaw Wu with Kaufman Bros. said that the new iMac and Magic Mouse are the most intriguing products announced by Apple Tuesday. He said the new iMac offers value to consumers and is positioned to be a "sleeper hit."
I'm not sure if "sleeper" is quite the right adjective here.