So what you are saying is that the Verizon birds who live inside their locked inside a cage are happy.
Well, I didn't say it --- every single consumer satisfaction survey said it.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE
Please stop going in circles. We are talking about choice and independence of carrier restriction and now you switched the topic to customer satisfaction. Sure, they have the highest satisfaction but that's not what we have been talking about.
No, you are going in circles on a "perception" problem that only affect the die-hard gadget geeks that has nothing to do with reality which the vast majority of the population faces.
So with your stated supply supply constraints of the touchscreen, which would be on every iPhone regardless of network type, the fact that Apple is gearing up to enter the Chinese market and the other logical issues, do you think it?s feasible to expect an iPhone on Verizon at this point?
It's never going to be a black and white answer.
It all depends on how much pressure AT&T/Verizon/Apple are facing from their sharholders. Everybody has a price.
No, you are going in circles on a "perception" problem that only affect the die-hard gadget geeks that has nothing to do with reality which the vast majority of the population faces.
Well, I didn't know that switching between carriers and choice was a "perception" problem and only affect "die-hard gadget geeks"
"We have a legacy of having a great portfolio... that will continue after the iPhone is no longer exclusive to us," de la Vega said. "We think we will continue after the iPhone... to drive (results)."
...
"Even if we lose exclusivity, we will be the only carrier with HSPA 7.2 and (new devices) will work on our network faster," de la Vega said. “I feel as strongly as ever (about the capability of devices in our lineup."
Dear AT&T:
I'd take an honest deal from your competitors for a real iPhone tethering solution over your promises for HSPA 7.2 at some time in the future. Given that you promised me tethering in a similar manner. Just sayin'...
While the strength of the iPhone helped AT&T beat profit expectations on Wall Street, the company's CEO admitted Thursday that AT&T will not have exclusive access to Apple's handset forever. According to Macworld, Ralph de la Vega said during a question-and-answer session that he believes his company's portfolio will survive after the iPhone moves to other carriers.
"We have a legacy of having a great portfolio... that will continue after the iPhone is no longer exclusive to us," de la Vega said. "We think we will continue after the iPhone... to drive (results)."
"Even if we lose exclusivity, we will be the only carrier with HSPA 7.2 and (new devices) will work on our network faster," de la Vega said. ?I feel as strongly as ever (about the capability of devices in our lineup."
AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA!
HA!
NO ONE GIVES A CRAP ABOUT 7.2 HSPDABC 2.3 NETWORKING HIGH-SPEED CRAP WHEN YOU CAN'T CONNECTE A CALL, TETHER OR ARE GETTING RAPED FOR TEXT MESSAGES.
T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon getting the iPhone...
AT&T is so screwed. Life's a bitch without an exclusivity agreement ain't it AT&T?
Well, I didn't know that switching between carriers and choice was a "perception" problem and only affect "die-hard gadget geeks"
Switching between carriers is more to do with ETF's.
Go and take a look at numerous European countries where they have all kinds of handset freedoms --- but in order to switch carriers, you have to pay off the rest of the contract. In fact, for O2 customers to even upgrade from 3G iphone to 3GS iphone --- they have to pay off the rest of their 3G iphone contract.
Any chance that Verizon had to land the iPhone next year when AT&T's exclusivity runs out evaporated the moment they launched their current anti-iPhone smear campaign. It's pretty clear that Steve holds grudges, and though Apple trashes Microsoft in essentially all their ads they have nonetheless proven quite sensitive to criticism.
At this point I think it's fair to say Verizon will be the last provider to get the iPhone in the US, partly for technology reasons (why make a CDMA iPhone) and partly due to the fact that Steve now hates their guts.
You have a direct line with SJ? Did he call you and tell you this?
If the exclusivity does end, who are they going to go to? Apple is not going to make a CDMA version so that puts Verizon and Sprint out of the question, and really only leaves T-mobile. It may be a welcome addition but don't see that doing anything to ATT's market share. So I would not be worried if I was AT&T either because there are not many options for the iPhone to go to other than them and T-mobile, which does not pose a threat to AT&T.
Also with Verizon new ad bashing the iPhone, and basically lying about what the iPhone can and cannot do, they will never get the iPhone, Steve Jobs has a long term memory and holds a grudge for a very long time, so nice job Verizon you just kicked yourself in the balls basically. I think Verizon is making huge mistakes in the business world just like Microsoft they do not get it, they do not get where this industry is going and thus right now have the power, but that is slowly fading and are basically stepping aside for Apple and AT&T to control it all. which is fine by me!!!
If the exclusivity does end, who are they going to go to? Apple is not going to make a CDMA version so that puts Verizon and Sprint out of the question, and really only leaves T-mobile. It may be a welcome addition but don't see that doing anything to ATT's market share. So I would not be worried if I was AT&T either because there are not many options for the iPhone to go to other than them and T-mobile, which does not pose a threat to AT&T.
Also with Verizon new ad bashing the iPhone, and basically lying about what the iPhone can and cannot do, they will never get the iPhone, Steve Jobs has a long term memory and holds a grudge for a very long time, so nice job Verizon you just kicked yourself in the balls basically. I think Verizon is making huge mistakes in the business world just like Microsoft they do not get it, they do not get where this industry is going and thus right now have the power, but that is slowly fading and are basically stepping aside for Apple and AT&T to control it all. which is fine by me!!!
CDMA vs GSM is a matter of a radio frequency chip. That is a matter of reprogramming some robot arms. This is not as big of a deal as it seems.
But if T-Mobile an dSprint got the iPhone that would seriously change things.
CDMA vs GSM is a matter of a radio frequency chip. That is a matter of reprogramming some robot arms. This is not as big of a deal as it seems.
But if T-Mobile an dSprint got the iPhone that would seriously change things.
No that would greatly increase manufacturing costs and would not help Apple at all, if you know anything about Apple and their manufacturing process this is not going to happen. Sprint wont get it they have CDMA as well, only other GSM provider is T-mobile and why would you use them, they have a very small network and then lease the AT&T network where they do not have one.
No that would greatly increase manufacturing costs and would not help Apple at all, if you know anything about Apple and their manufacturing process this is not going to happen. Sprint wont get it they have CDMA as well, only other GSM provider is T-mobile and why would you use them, they have a very small network and then lease the AT&T network where they do not have one.
Please explain what the difference in manufacturing costs are to change the CDMA radio frequency, your source of this information, how it would not help Apple at all, and why knowing anything about Apple's manufacturing processes would tell me this will not happen.
I'm sorry, but you just said a whole lot of nothin' if you cannot back it up.
CDMA vs GSM is a matter of a radio frequency chip. That is a matter of reprogramming some robot arms. This is not as big of a deal as it seems.
But if T-Mobile an dSprint got the iPhone that would seriously change things.
Also they would have to reprogram the core OS to work with that chip, manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, it would be a horrid undertaking, and why would Steve Jobs do this for a company he now hates known as Verizon and that phone could only be used in the United States, no way in hell verizon is getting the iPhone.
Also they would have to reprogram the core OS to work with that chip, manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, it would be a horrid undertaking, and why would Steve Jobs do this for a company he now hates known as Verizon and that phone could only be used in the United States, no way in hell verizon is getting the iPhone.
Again dyer, what part of the "core OS" would they ha et reprogram and why, why would this necessitate a completely different set of hardware, what would be horrid about it, etc. etc. etc...
Please explain what the difference in manufacturing costs are to change the CDMA radio frequency, your source of this information, how it would not help Apple at all, and why knowing anything about Apple's manufacturing processes would tell me this will not happen.
I'm sorry, but you just said a whole lot of nothin' if you cannot back it up.
Because you have to manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, you would have to stop production at the current facility, recalibrate the robot arms, or have another facility manufacture it this decreases productivity and adds costs.
You would also have to reprogram the core location services, the cell phone voice and data systems in the phone sw, etc. This would involve keeping up a different code bases of the software and not just carrier files, as well as holding different pieces of hardware in inventory which adds up cost.
My source of information is me, I used to work at Apple and have recently left to start my own business I was heavily involved in the manufacturing process of the iPhone and know that they are not going to make a CDMA version and they never were since the rest of the world uses GSM. It would be insane.
Why? Because Verizon hasn't agreed to Apple's demands for iTunes Store, App Store, no VCast, no Verizon name on phone, iPhone marketing only by Apple, Apple warranty/ repair servicing, handset pricing, Apple Store sales/sign-ups($), etc.
And most importantly, Verizon hasn't given Apple enough of an incentive to make a CDMA handset.
Spot on! Verizon is going down the same road as the Music Industry, the television industry and the Movie Industry....when will they learn, get on board with Apple, get more happy customers and make money!
Because you have to manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, you would have to stop production at the current facility, recalibrate the robot arms, or have another facility manufacture it this decreases productivity and adds costs.
You would also have to reprogram the core location services, the cell phone voice and data systems in the phone sw, etc. This would involve keeping up a different code bases of the software and not just carrier files, as well as holding different pieces of hardware in inventory which adds up cost.
My source of information is me, I used to work at Apple and have recently left to start my own business I was heavily involved in the manufacturing process of the iPhone and know that they are not going to make a CDMA version and they never were since the rest of the world uses GSM. It would be insane.
You have your head so far in the sand its not even funny. MOST of the rest of the world uses GSM, BUT the MAJORITY of the US uses CDMA. There will be a CDMA iphone in the US before the end of next year. Thats something you can actually count on, and this is saying something cause usually you cannot count on anything when apple is involved.
Any chance that Verizon had to land the iPhone next year when AT&T's exclusivity runs out evaporated the moment they launched their current anti-iPhone smear campaign. It's pretty clear that Steve holds grudges, and though Apple trashes Microsoft in essentially all their ads they have nonetheless proven quite sensitive to criticism.
At this point I think it's fair to say Verizon will be the last provider to get the iPhone in the US, partly for technology reasons (why make a CDMA iPhone) and partly due to the fact that Steve now hates their guts.
My bet is T-mobile is next (in addition to keeping iPhone on AT&T).
Because you have to manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, you would have to stop production at the current facility, recalibrate the robot arms, or have another facility manufacture it this decreases productivity and adds costs.
You would also have to reprogram the core location services, the cell phone voice and data systems in the phone sw, etc. This would involve keeping up a different code bases of the software and not just carrier files, as well as holding different pieces of hardware in inventory which adds up cost.
My source of information is me, I used to work at Apple and have recently left to start my own business I was heavily involved in the manufacturing process of the iPhone and know that they are not going to make a CDMA version and they never were since the rest of the world uses GSM. It would be insane.
As I said earlier, it would only cost $5 million to design a CDMA iphone.
Basically 99% of all cell phones on earth are based on ARM chip as a CPU --- there are no different code base needed. All you need is the driver files for the CDMA radio --- which the chipset manufacturer will be glad to supply them to you. Just look at any wifi router, if linksys wants to make a vxworks-based WRT54G, Broadcom will supply linksys with the vxworks-based wifi driver. If linksys wants to make a linux-based WRT54GL, Broadcom will supply linksys with linux-based wifi driver. That's how the real world works --- the chipset company will port their drivers to OS X for free so that they can sell chipsets to Apple.
Apple already gets 50% gross profit margin on the iphone --- creating an entirely different wifi-less iphone for the Chinese market and creating an entirely different CDMA iphone --- will drop their profit margin down to 45%. OMG, that's still like 4 times more than Nokia.
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So what you are saying is that the Verizon birds who live inside their locked inside a cage are happy.
Well, I didn't say it --- every single consumer satisfaction survey said it.
Please stop going in circles. We are talking about choice and independence of carrier restriction and now you switched the topic to customer satisfaction. Sure, they have the highest satisfaction but that's not what we have been talking about.
No, you are going in circles on a "perception" problem that only affect the die-hard gadget geeks that has nothing to do with reality which the vast majority of the population faces.
So with your stated supply supply constraints of the touchscreen, which would be on every iPhone regardless of network type, the fact that Apple is gearing up to enter the Chinese market and the other logical issues, do you think it?s feasible to expect an iPhone on Verizon at this point?
It's never going to be a black and white answer.
It all depends on how much pressure AT&T/Verizon/Apple are facing from their sharholders. Everybody has a price.
No, you are going in circles on a "perception" problem that only affect the die-hard gadget geeks that has nothing to do with reality which the vast majority of the population faces.
Well, I didn't know that switching between carriers and choice was a "perception" problem and only affect "die-hard gadget geeks"
"We have a legacy of having a great portfolio... that will continue after the iPhone is no longer exclusive to us," de la Vega said. "We think we will continue after the iPhone... to drive (results)."
...
"Even if we lose exclusivity, we will be the only carrier with HSPA 7.2 and (new devices) will work on our network faster," de la Vega said. “I feel as strongly as ever (about the capability of devices in our lineup."
Dear AT&T:
I'd take an honest deal from your competitors for a real iPhone tethering solution over your promises for HSPA 7.2 at some time in the future. Given that you promised me tethering in a similar manner. Just sayin'...
Sincerely,
John.B
Its called sarcasm. You apparently don't understand whom its directed to. But thats ok
I got yah! :loll:
Remember the professor on the Simpsons with the sarcasm detector?
Lisa: Is he being sarcastic?
Professor: You bet he is- this thing is going nuts!
While the strength of the iPhone helped AT&T beat profit expectations on Wall Street, the company's CEO admitted Thursday that AT&T will not have exclusive access to Apple's handset forever. According to Macworld, Ralph de la Vega said during a question-and-answer session that he believes his company's portfolio will survive after the iPhone moves to other carriers.
"We have a legacy of having a great portfolio... that will continue after the iPhone is no longer exclusive to us," de la Vega said. "We think we will continue after the iPhone... to drive (results)."
"Even if we lose exclusivity, we will be the only carrier with HSPA 7.2 and (new devices) will work on our network faster," de la Vega said. ?I feel as strongly as ever (about the capability of devices in our lineup."
AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA!
HA!
NO ONE GIVES A CRAP ABOUT 7.2 HSPDABC 2.3 NETWORKING HIGH-SPEED CRAP WHEN YOU CAN'T CONNECTE A CALL, TETHER OR ARE GETTING RAPED FOR TEXT MESSAGES.
T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon getting the iPhone...
AT&T is so screwed. Life's a bitch without an exclusivity agreement ain't it AT&T?
Well, I didn't know that switching between carriers and choice was a "perception" problem and only affect "die-hard gadget geeks"
Switching between carriers is more to do with ETF's.
Go and take a look at numerous European countries where they have all kinds of handset freedoms --- but in order to switch carriers, you have to pay off the rest of the contract. In fact, for O2 customers to even upgrade from 3G iphone to 3GS iphone --- they have to pay off the rest of their 3G iphone contract.
Perfection of freedom vs. reality of freedom.
Any chance that Verizon had to land the iPhone next year when AT&T's exclusivity runs out evaporated the moment they launched their current anti-iPhone smear campaign. It's pretty clear that Steve holds grudges, and though Apple trashes Microsoft in essentially all their ads they have nonetheless proven quite sensitive to criticism.
At this point I think it's fair to say Verizon will be the last provider to get the iPhone in the US, partly for technology reasons (why make a CDMA iPhone) and partly due to the fact that Steve now hates their guts.
You have a direct line with SJ? Did he call you and tell you this?
Also with Verizon new ad bashing the iPhone, and basically lying about what the iPhone can and cannot do, they will never get the iPhone, Steve Jobs has a long term memory and holds a grudge for a very long time, so nice job Verizon you just kicked yourself in the balls basically. I think Verizon is making huge mistakes in the business world just like Microsoft they do not get it, they do not get where this industry is going and thus right now have the power, but that is slowly fading and are basically stepping aside for Apple and AT&T to control it all. which is fine by me!!!
You have a direct line with SJ? Did he call you and tell you this?
Yes he does. I was there.
If the exclusivity does end, who are they going to go to? Apple is not going to make a CDMA version so that puts Verizon and Sprint out of the question, and really only leaves T-mobile. It may be a welcome addition but don't see that doing anything to ATT's market share. So I would not be worried if I was AT&T either because there are not many options for the iPhone to go to other than them and T-mobile, which does not pose a threat to AT&T.
Also with Verizon new ad bashing the iPhone, and basically lying about what the iPhone can and cannot do, they will never get the iPhone, Steve Jobs has a long term memory and holds a grudge for a very long time, so nice job Verizon you just kicked yourself in the balls basically. I think Verizon is making huge mistakes in the business world just like Microsoft they do not get it, they do not get where this industry is going and thus right now have the power, but that is slowly fading and are basically stepping aside for Apple and AT&T to control it all. which is fine by me!!!
CDMA vs GSM is a matter of a radio frequency chip. That is a matter of reprogramming some robot arms. This is not as big of a deal as it seems.
But if T-Mobile an dSprint got the iPhone that would seriously change things.
CDMA vs GSM is a matter of a radio frequency chip. That is a matter of reprogramming some robot arms. This is not as big of a deal as it seems.
But if T-Mobile an dSprint got the iPhone that would seriously change things.
No that would greatly increase manufacturing costs and would not help Apple at all, if you know anything about Apple and their manufacturing process this is not going to happen. Sprint wont get it they have CDMA as well, only other GSM provider is T-mobile and why would you use them, they have a very small network and then lease the AT&T network where they do not have one.
No that would greatly increase manufacturing costs and would not help Apple at all, if you know anything about Apple and their manufacturing process this is not going to happen. Sprint wont get it they have CDMA as well, only other GSM provider is T-mobile and why would you use them, they have a very small network and then lease the AT&T network where they do not have one.
Please explain what the difference in manufacturing costs are to change the CDMA radio frequency, your source of this information, how it would not help Apple at all, and why knowing anything about Apple's manufacturing processes would tell me this will not happen.
I'm sorry, but you just said a whole lot of nothin' if you cannot back it up.
CDMA vs GSM is a matter of a radio frequency chip. That is a matter of reprogramming some robot arms. This is not as big of a deal as it seems.
But if T-Mobile an dSprint got the iPhone that would seriously change things.
Also they would have to reprogram the core OS to work with that chip, manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, it would be a horrid undertaking, and why would Steve Jobs do this for a company he now hates known as Verizon and that phone could only be used in the United States, no way in hell verizon is getting the iPhone.
Also they would have to reprogram the core OS to work with that chip, manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, it would be a horrid undertaking, and why would Steve Jobs do this for a company he now hates known as Verizon and that phone could only be used in the United States, no way in hell verizon is getting the iPhone.
Again dyer, what part of the "core OS" would they ha et reprogram and why, why would this necessitate a completely different set of hardware, what would be horrid about it, etc. etc. etc...
Please explain what the difference in manufacturing costs are to change the CDMA radio frequency, your source of this information, how it would not help Apple at all, and why knowing anything about Apple's manufacturing processes would tell me this will not happen.
I'm sorry, but you just said a whole lot of nothin' if you cannot back it up.
Because you have to manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, you would have to stop production at the current facility, recalibrate the robot arms, or have another facility manufacture it this decreases productivity and adds costs.
You would also have to reprogram the core location services, the cell phone voice and data systems in the phone sw, etc. This would involve keeping up a different code bases of the software and not just carrier files, as well as holding different pieces of hardware in inventory which adds up cost.
My source of information is me, I used to work at Apple and have recently left to start my own business I was heavily involved in the manufacturing process of the iPhone and know that they are not going to make a CDMA version and they never were since the rest of the world uses GSM. It would be insane.
Why? Because Verizon hasn't agreed to Apple's demands for iTunes Store, App Store, no VCast, no Verizon name on phone, iPhone marketing only by Apple, Apple warranty/ repair servicing, handset pricing, Apple Store sales/sign-ups($), etc.
And most importantly, Verizon hasn't given Apple enough of an incentive to make a CDMA handset.
Spot on! Verizon is going down the same road as the Music Industry, the television industry and the Movie Industry....when will they learn, get on board with Apple, get more happy customers and make money!
Because you have to manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, you would have to stop production at the current facility, recalibrate the robot arms, or have another facility manufacture it this decreases productivity and adds costs.
You would also have to reprogram the core location services, the cell phone voice and data systems in the phone sw, etc. This would involve keeping up a different code bases of the software and not just carrier files, as well as holding different pieces of hardware in inventory which adds up cost.
My source of information is me, I used to work at Apple and have recently left to start my own business I was heavily involved in the manufacturing process of the iPhone and know that they are not going to make a CDMA version and they never were since the rest of the world uses GSM. It would be insane.
You have your head so far in the sand its not even funny. MOST of the rest of the world uses GSM, BUT the MAJORITY of the US uses CDMA. There will be a CDMA iphone in the US before the end of next year. Thats something you can actually count on, and this is saying something cause usually you cannot count on anything when apple is involved.
Any chance that Verizon had to land the iPhone next year when AT&T's exclusivity runs out evaporated the moment they launched their current anti-iPhone smear campaign. It's pretty clear that Steve holds grudges, and though Apple trashes Microsoft in essentially all their ads they have nonetheless proven quite sensitive to criticism.
At this point I think it's fair to say Verizon will be the last provider to get the iPhone in the US, partly for technology reasons (why make a CDMA iPhone) and partly due to the fact that Steve now hates their guts.
My bet is T-mobile is next (in addition to keeping iPhone on AT&T).
Because you have to manufacturer a completely different set of hardware, you would have to stop production at the current facility, recalibrate the robot arms, or have another facility manufacture it this decreases productivity and adds costs.
You would also have to reprogram the core location services, the cell phone voice and data systems in the phone sw, etc. This would involve keeping up a different code bases of the software and not just carrier files, as well as holding different pieces of hardware in inventory which adds up cost.
My source of information is me, I used to work at Apple and have recently left to start my own business I was heavily involved in the manufacturing process of the iPhone and know that they are not going to make a CDMA version and they never were since the rest of the world uses GSM. It would be insane.
As I said earlier, it would only cost $5 million to design a CDMA iphone.
Basically 99% of all cell phones on earth are based on ARM chip as a CPU --- there are no different code base needed. All you need is the driver files for the CDMA radio --- which the chipset manufacturer will be glad to supply them to you. Just look at any wifi router, if linksys wants to make a vxworks-based WRT54G, Broadcom will supply linksys with the vxworks-based wifi driver. If linksys wants to make a linux-based WRT54GL, Broadcom will supply linksys with linux-based wifi driver. That's how the real world works --- the chipset company will port their drivers to OS X for free so that they can sell chipsets to Apple.
Apple already gets 50% gross profit margin on the iphone --- creating an entirely different wifi-less iphone for the Chinese market and creating an entirely different CDMA iphone --- will drop their profit margin down to 45%. OMG, that's still like 4 times more than Nokia.