Maybe you guys haven't noticed but VZW has several phones that have world capabilties. Both a CDMA and a quad band GSM radio. Obviously it's not that hard to make. Are you guys saying Apple can't?
Maybe you guys haven't noticed but VZW has several phones that have world capabilties. Both a CDMA and a quad band GSM radio. Obviously it's not that hard to make. Are you guys saying Apple can't?
No one is saying CAN?T, people are saying that Apple WON?T.
Then why did Apple hire CDMA engineer/designers away from Qualcomm?
There are many reasons they could have done it. As a negotiations tactic, they could do it to scare AT&T into agreeing to their demands of they fear that Apple would seriously consider an iPhone on Verizon or Sprint. Less conspiracy riddled, they could be making a CDMA-based iPhone for those many, many countries that don’t have any GSM, or perhaps for China Mobile—which is by far the largest carrier in China—since China Unicom doesn’t have a carrier lock in.
Again, no one is saying that they CAN’T.
Why you think that Verizon, which is so hell bent on controlling their vendors, is such a natural fit for Apple? Just because you want an iPhone on Verizon isn’t a rational answer. I want the iPhone to be on Verizon. i want anything that helps Apple’s stock soar and, to a lesser extent, gets some people off AT&T’s iPhone congested network.
Let's look at the number's VZW 87 million subs, Sprint has 48 million subs and give or take a few million or more on Metro PCS. That comes close to 150 million people using a CDMA phone and that's not including the countries that also have CDMA networks. That's close to 50% of the population. How long can Apple ignore that pot of gold? They put intel chips in their Macs so people can run both windows and an Apple OS. Why did they do that? Easy, so people that wanted a Mac but absolutely needed something with windows could now buy a mac and have both.
I'm not saying that Apple can't, but some of the people here think it's an impossibility or a huge and expensive undertaking to build a phone with two radios when it clearly isn't. Many phones are built with both CDMA and GSM capabilities and they do not cost anymore for it.
Maybe you guys haven't noticed but VZW has several phones that have world capabilties. Both a CDMA and a quad band GSM radio. Obviously it's not that hard to make. Are you guys saying Apple can't?
When Verizon makes a phone that can do GSM they are making a phone that can use about 90% of the world's cell systems. If Apple makes a CDMA phone they're making a phone for the remaining 10%, and for all practical purposes more like 5% since they would have little incentive to sell a CDMA phone outside the U.S.
And that's the difference. Don't know why it's so hard to grasp.
Let's look at the number's VZW 87 million subs, Sprint has 48 million subs and give or take a few millio or more on Metro PCS. That comes close to 150 million people using a CDMA phone and that's not including the countries that also have CDMA networks. That's close to 50% of the population. How long can Apple ignore that pot of gold? They put intel chips in their Macs so people can run both windows and an Apple OS. Why did they do that? Easy, so people that wanted a Mac but absolutely needed something with windows could now buy a mac and have both.
That isn?t 50% for the world, just the US, and CDMA-based networks are obsolescing. Has Verizon hasn?t even moved to EVDO Rev.B so you can get voice and data at the same time, like you can with HSDPA(GAM-based) networks?
There would be some logistical issues with having a CDMA-based iPhone along side a GSM-based iPhone. Apple would have to stock twice as many phones and it may be confusing to customers. That could happen, but historically that hasn?t been part of Apple?s modus operandi. They would need to have an AT&T and Verizon rep in each store for activations and warring over which iPhone is better may turn away consumers. Like I said, I hope they do I don?t see how it won?t increase the stock valuation tremendously, it?s just isn?t the way the new Apple typically works? but things can and do change.
As for Intel CPUs, your knowledge is way off base. Apple moved to Intel because PPC was no longer viable, especially on the faster growing notebook segment. Intel had and still has the best mobile CPUs. AMD can?t even compare with Intel on the mobile platform.
Windows dual booting wasn?t mentioned when Apple announced the upcoming switch to Intel. The arrival of the Boot Camp Beta came in April, almost a year after the Intel switch announcement and months after the first Intel-based Macs hit the streets in January.
Speculatively speaking, Apple may have planned this for the Leopard release, but was forced to release it early as a Beta when a challenge with a $1000(?) prize plus growing pool for a total of $13k from other donators was set up to get an BIOS emulator and drivers for the new MBPs(?). This was a fast moving and very successful effort.
When Verizon makes a phone that can do GSM they are making a phone that can use about 90% of the world's cell systems. If Apple makes a CDMA phone they're making a phone for the remaining 10%, and for all practical purposes more like 5% since they would have little incentive to sell a CDMA phone outside the U.S.
And that's the difference. Don't know why it's so hard to grasp.
WOW, when did Verizon start MAKING phones? I must've been asleep when that news came out.
If that is really happening, great for AAPL! Even though Apple likely compromised a bit on its terms, it still means that Verizon also compromised and recognizes what the iPhone will bring it as it transitions to 4G LTE.
By the way, an iPhone that can do 4G LTE will certainly have a more expensive data plan than the $30 for 3G, even though 4G will only be available in small number of geographical areas in 2010. Will Verizon be looking for an additional $10, or even more than that?
Here?s hoping, but take it with a grain of salt. Testing an LTE phone NOW is pretty pointless when you?ve never made a CDMA-based phone and LTE won?t match Verizon?s current CDMA network for years.
If that is really happening, great for AAPL! Even though Apple likely compromised a bit on its terms, it still means that Verizon also compromised and recognizes what the iPhone will bring it as it transitions to 4G LTE.
For all we know, Apple could have merely rented the testing space on their network or using the guise of going with Verizon to get a head start on Europe?s impending LTE. There are just too many possibilities to make an absolute statement that Verizon is getting the iPhone. The iDon?t commercial certainly doesn?t seem to help Verizon?s chances.
Let's look at the number's VZW 87 million subs, Sprint has 48 million subs and give or take a few million or more on Metro PCS.
Sprint's 4G technology is incompatible with LTE that pretty much everyone else will be migrating to. That leaves Sprint the odd-man out when it comes to getting the iPhone.
And let's see how "open" Verizon really is with the Android phone before we get too excited about what they will and won't support.
For all we know, Apple could have merely rented the testing space on their network or using the guise of going with Verizon to get a head start on Europe?s impending LTE. There are just too many possibilities to make an absolute statement that Verizon is getting the iPhone. The iDon?t commercial certainly doesn?t seem to help Verizon?s chances.
Especially given that Verizon is apparently about to be overrun by murderous robots. Fun time is over. You'll take your Droid, or we'll stab you with our metal arms.
Here?s hoping, but take it with a grain of salt. Testing an LTE phone NOW is pretty pointless when you?ve never made a CDMA-based phone and LTE won?t match Verizon?s current CDMA network for years.
The CDMA's days are numbered. I've seen internal VZ memos stating that 30 markets are slated to open in 2010 and the entire VZ footprint to be on LTE by the end of 2013. LTE will be the new world standard and will replace GSM
Especially given that Verizon is apparently about to be overrun by murderous robots. Fun time is over. You'll take your Droid, or we'll stab you with our metal arms.
Oh please. Do you think apple even cares about those commercials? It blasts MS all the time yet you can run windows on a mac and the iPhone use MS exchange. It's all childish BS and they all play the same game.
The CDMA's days are numbered. I've seen internal VZ memos stating that 30 markets are slated to open in 2010 and the entire VZ footprint to be on LTE by the end of 2013. LTE will be the new world standard and will replace GSM
Even with widespread HSDPA, GSM is still around. LTE will be here along with HSPDA, GSM, CDMA2000 and CDMA.
2013 seems a little optimistic for the cost, difficulty and coverage that Verizon has to do over the US, but even if they can do it, it?s only 2009. Apple didn?t even put out a HSDPA-capable iPhone when AT&T had 3G in all major cities.
Why put one one out new on Verizon with LTE when they are just testing it? Are there even radios that are small enough and power efficient to fit into the svelte iPhone? Sounds more like a well placed vapourware campaign to stay on Verizon waiting than actual proof that there is one coming shortly.
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Maybe you guys haven't noticed but VZW has several phones that have world capabilties. Both a CDMA and a quad band GSM radio. Obviously it's not that hard to make. Are you guys saying Apple can't?
No one is saying CAN?T, people are saying that Apple WON?T.
Then why did Apple hire CDMA engineer/designers away from Qualcomm?
There are many reasons they could have done it. As a negotiations tactic, they could do it to scare AT&T into agreeing to their demands of they fear that Apple would seriously consider an iPhone on Verizon or Sprint. Less conspiracy riddled, they could be making a CDMA-based iPhone for those many, many countries that don’t have any GSM, or perhaps for China Mobile—which is by far the largest carrier in China—since China Unicom doesn’t have a carrier lock in.
Again, no one is saying that they CAN’T.
Why you think that Verizon, which is so hell bent on controlling their vendors, is such a natural fit for Apple? Just because you want an iPhone on Verizon isn’t a rational answer. I want the iPhone to be on Verizon. i want anything that helps Apple’s stock soar and, to a lesser extent, gets some people off AT&T’s iPhone congested network.
Maybe you guys haven't noticed but VZW has several phones that have world capabilties. Both a CDMA and a quad band GSM radio. Obviously it's not that hard to make. Are you guys saying Apple can't?
When Verizon makes a phone that can do GSM they are making a phone that can use about 90% of the world's cell systems. If Apple makes a CDMA phone they're making a phone for the remaining 10%, and for all practical purposes more like 5% since they would have little incentive to sell a CDMA phone outside the U.S.
And that's the difference. Don't know why it's so hard to grasp.
Let's look at the number's VZW 87 million subs, Sprint has 48 million subs and give or take a few millio or more on Metro PCS. That comes close to 150 million people using a CDMA phone and that's not including the countries that also have CDMA networks. That's close to 50% of the population. How long can Apple ignore that pot of gold? They put intel chips in their Macs so people can run both windows and an Apple OS. Why did they do that? Easy, so people that wanted a Mac but absolutely needed something with windows could now buy a mac and have both.
That isn?t 50% for the world, just the US, and CDMA-based networks are obsolescing. Has Verizon hasn?t even moved to EVDO Rev.B so you can get voice and data at the same time, like you can with HSDPA(GAM-based) networks?
There would be some logistical issues with having a CDMA-based iPhone along side a GSM-based iPhone. Apple would have to stock twice as many phones and it may be confusing to customers. That could happen, but historically that hasn?t been part of Apple?s modus operandi. They would need to have an AT&T and Verizon rep in each store for activations and warring over which iPhone is better may turn away consumers. Like I said, I hope they do I don?t see how it won?t increase the stock valuation tremendously, it?s just isn?t the way the new Apple typically works? but things can and do change.
As for Intel CPUs, your knowledge is way off base. Apple moved to Intel because PPC was no longer viable, especially on the faster growing notebook segment. Intel had and still has the best mobile CPUs. AMD can?t even compare with Intel on the mobile platform.
Windows dual booting wasn?t mentioned when Apple announced the upcoming switch to Intel. The arrival of the Boot Camp Beta came in April, almost a year after the Intel switch announcement and months after the first Intel-based Macs hit the streets in January.
Speculatively speaking, Apple may have planned this for the Leopard release, but was forced to release it early as a Beta when a challenge with a $1000(?) prize plus growing pool for a total of $13k from other donators was set up to get an BIOS emulator and drivers for the new MBPs(?). This was a fast moving and very successful effort.
Many phones are built with both CDMA and GSM capabilities and they do not cost anymore for it.
Actually, Qualcomm?s licensing fees are high for CDMA and CDMA2000, which is why other variances were built out using less of their patents.
When Verizon makes a phone that can do GSM they are making a phone that can use about 90% of the world's cell systems. If Apple makes a CDMA phone they're making a phone for the remaining 10%, and for all practical purposes more like 5% since they would have little incentive to sell a CDMA phone outside the U.S.
And that's the difference. Don't know why it's so hard to grasp.
WOW, when did Verizon start MAKING phones? I must've been asleep when that news came out.
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If that is really happening, great for AAPL! Even though Apple likely compromised a bit on its terms, it still means that Verizon also compromised and recognizes what the iPhone will bring it as it transitions to 4G LTE.
By the way, an iPhone that can do 4G LTE will certainly have a more expensive data plan than the $30 for 3G, even though 4G will only be available in small number of geographical areas in 2010. Will Verizon be looking for an additional $10, or even more than that?
hey a lil reading material for you guys
http://fonefrenzy.com/2009/10/18/big...torolas-droid/
Here?s hoping, but take it with a grain of salt. Testing an LTE phone NOW is pretty pointless when you?ve never made a CDMA-based phone and LTE won?t match Verizon?s current CDMA network for years.
WOW, when did Verizon start MAKING phones? I must've been asleep when that news came out.
Oooh, you got me, I meant to say "offers." Doesn't really change my point, does it?
If that is really happening, great for AAPL! Even though Apple likely compromised a bit on its terms, it still means that Verizon also compromised and recognizes what the iPhone will bring it as it transitions to 4G LTE.
For all we know, Apple could have merely rented the testing space on their network or using the guise of going with Verizon to get a head start on Europe?s impending LTE. There are just too many possibilities to make an absolute statement that Verizon is getting the iPhone. The iDon?t commercial certainly doesn?t seem to help Verizon?s chances.
Let's look at the number's VZW 87 million subs, Sprint has 48 million subs and give or take a few million or more on Metro PCS.
Sprint's 4G technology is incompatible with LTE that pretty much everyone else will be migrating to. That leaves Sprint the odd-man out when it comes to getting the iPhone.
And let's see how "open" Verizon really is with the Android phone before we get too excited about what they will and won't support.
For all we know, Apple could have merely rented the testing space on their network or using the guise of going with Verizon to get a head start on Europe?s impending LTE. There are just too many possibilities to make an absolute statement that Verizon is getting the iPhone. The iDon?t commercial certainly doesn?t seem to help Verizon?s chances.
Especially given that Verizon is apparently about to be overrun by murderous robots. Fun time is over. You'll take your Droid, or we'll stab you with our metal arms.
Here?s hoping, but take it with a grain of salt. Testing an LTE phone NOW is pretty pointless when you?ve never made a CDMA-based phone and LTE won?t match Verizon?s current CDMA network for years.
The CDMA's days are numbered. I've seen internal VZ memos stating that 30 markets are slated to open in 2010 and the entire VZ footprint to be on LTE by the end of 2013. LTE will be the new world standard and will replace GSM
Especially given that Verizon is apparently about to be overrun by murderous robots. Fun time is over. You'll take your Droid, or we'll stab you with our metal arms.
Oh please. Do you think apple even cares about those commercials? It blasts MS all the time yet you can run windows on a mac and the iPhone use MS exchange. It's all childish BS and they all play the same game.
The CDMA's days are numbered. I've seen internal VZ memos stating that 30 markets are slated to open in 2010 and the entire VZ footprint to be on LTE by the end of 2013. LTE will be the new world standard and will replace GSM
Even with widespread HSDPA, GSM is still around. LTE will be here along with HSPDA, GSM, CDMA2000 and CDMA.
2013 seems a little optimistic for the cost, difficulty and coverage that Verizon has to do over the US, but even if they can do it, it?s only 2009. Apple didn?t even put out a HSDPA-capable iPhone when AT&T had 3G in all major cities.
Why put one one out new on Verizon with LTE when they are just testing it? Are there even radios that are small enough and power efficient to fit into the svelte iPhone? Sounds more like a well placed vapourware campaign to stay on Verizon waiting than actual proof that there is one coming shortly.