Again you're wrong , the share was 7-8%. Stop distorting things. Yeesh!
your antics bore me. The bottom line is the Get a Mac campaign has been very successful. Even IF osx had 8%, now they have 10, that's still 25% growth, which is quite good. Apple's doing everything right from a growth and earnings perspective. Of course, I think your numbers are off and the growth has probably been much more than that.
Lets face it, until LTE networks go global, Apple is unlikely to make an iPhone that will work on Verizon's network. 2011 at the earliest...
Although Verizon is ahead of AT&T on starting LTE deployment, it'll be years, well past 2011, before phones on VZ's network are freed from the need to include legacy CDMA support in addition to LTE. For Apple to offer a VZ iPhone they'd need to design and built a special multi-standard handset just for this carrier.
Could Apple do that? Yes. Will they? Unlikely in the extreme.
BTW, count me in the group of iPhone 3G owners who travels all over the place and finds AT&T's coverage pretty good. VZ is dominant in my home area, but AT&T is more than acceptable. That's not to minimize the service issues in San Francisco and New York, but it's wrong to assume that their experience somehow applies everywhere else. Remember too that New Yorkers aren't shy about expressing complaints...
I am sticking with AT&T. I am very happy here in Houston with their service and they are a better price deal than Verizon. Data plans, minutes and text messages are exactly the same. However Big Red charges $2.99 for visual voicemail.
Last, why would Apple make an iPhone to work on Verizon's network when a majority of the world uses GSM? Kind of a no brainer. Verizon needs to join the rest of the world so they can play well with others.
The argument that Apple would greatly profit from a CDMA-based iPhone is solid. There are 150M+ CDMA-based users in the US and there are some countries that can’t get the iPhone until a CDMA version is made. It may only account for 10% of the world’s cellphone users but it’s still a very large number.
Still, there are already reports of production issues from this year’s 3GS launch and there are logistical issues for the controlling Apple to have 2 phones for each capacity stocked in their stores. I’d think they’d go with T-Mobile USA, by adding the additional radio, where controlled iPhone growth to here 40M customers would be an smoother transition. On top of that, they already have a rapport with the parent company in Europe and they are certainly a favoured underdog in the US that would likely be more willing to bend to Apple’s needs over Verizon.
PS: This thread has now been jacked up. It looks like more than half the posts are from Teckstud followed by others correcting him. When you feed him it just gets out of hand. Please, be kind to other forum members
I am sticking with AT&T. I am very happy here in Houston with their service and they are a better price deal than Verizon. Data plans, minutes and text messages are exactly the same. However Big Red charges $2.99 for visual voicemail.
Hm.... this is getting stranger by the day. First verizon is rumored to be in final stages to secure the iphone, then they bash the iphone and get android, then they are again rumored to be selling iPhones soon.
I dunno, but I think that an alliance with US Cellular or Tmobile are more likely at this point, since T-Mobile already supports all the iPhone features via Deutche Telekom, and US Cellular works in the subway (in Chicago so that would be nice to have, not the phone calls, but the internet at least).
Still, there are already reports of production issues from this year?s 3GS launch and there are logistical issues for the controlling Apple to have 2 phones for each capacity stocked in their stores. I?d think they?d go with T-Mobile USA, by adding the additional radio, where controlled iPhone growth to here 40M customers would be an smoother transition. On top of that, they already have a rapport with the parent company in Europe and they are certainly a favoured underdog in the US that would likely be more willing to bend to Apple?s needs over Verizon.
Interesting. I'm not sure which route Apple would take. I don't think it would be terribly complicated to produce a CDMA iPhone - I'd bet the house that Apple has at least a few working prototypes in their labs. Production issues can be sorted out along the way. Verizon offers the most growth potential, so I think they'd naturally go there next (whenever that may be).
Apple already has stated several times it doesn't see any sense in investing in making a CDMA network handset because nearly the whole world is on GSM and CDMA is nearing end of life. Verizon is moving to LTE, a next generation GSM standard. That won't probably happen until 2011.
I see the iPhone going to T-Mobile for Verizon or Sprint. Apple & AT&T never expected exclusivity to last forever. Apple wanted an exclusive partner so both would work to together in innovating ne services such as visual voicemail and App store etc. Since AT&T was GSM, it made sense to build a GSM iphone because it works on 95% of the worlds networks
Exactly.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the enormous success of the iPhone was even calculated at Apple.
Remember Steve Jobs mentioning in January of 2007, that Apple's goal was to get 1% of the market. They honestly didn't know what to expect, being completely new in the handheld business, even though they knew that they had something special in their hands. So the partnership with AT&T was a well designed. Imagine the damage if they would have gone with more partners and the thing would have been a failure!
I do expect to see an iPhone on Verizon. I actually think the biggest sticking point may well be warranty coverage. I suspect Verizon in particular won't be happy about ceding control to AppleCare or about Apple's general control freak approach to repairs and exchanges, you know, all that business-y customer service stuff. I think Verizon would be quite happy to cede to Apple on software management as long as there's some GetItNow gouging built in.
But let's think for a moment of what this means on hardware. A Q3 2010 iPhone would have to support the following frequencies on Verizon:
700MHz LTE. 800/1900MHz CDMA1X/EVDO. And if they want to make a world phone out of it, throw in GSM 800/900/1800/1900.
That's seven bands right there, which equals the best of RIM and HTC and is ahead of what Apple has delivered so far on the iPhone. If you additionally want global data, throw in 2100UMTS. Has anyone ever done an eight band phone before? Perhaps Apple could be the first? In any case, there's some new ground to break here.
The "analyst" in question is making stuff up. If Apple were to release an iPhone for Verizon next year, they would have to include CDMA, since VZW's 4G network isn't close to sufficiently built out to rely upon it 100%. That means building in and certifying a whole new RF section for a limited time and limited market. Plus, CDMA doesn't allow voice and data over the same call; so, you'd have an iPhone that doesn't work like other iPhones do. That's a cardinal sin. Can anyone really see Apple saying: "Sorry, this app won't work for you because you have a Verizon iPhone"?? Not likely. It would cripple the seamless user experience.
Even IF osx had 8%, now they have 10, that's still 25% growth, which is quite good. Apple's doing everything right from a growth and earnings perspective. Of course, I think your numbers are off and the growth has probably been much more than that.
They also have 91% of the $1000+ market in the US and take one-third of every dollar for PCs sold in the US. That is a bigger share than HP, which has 25% of the market. 10% of PC sales without selling cheap machines is the market everyone wishes they had.
Hm.... this is getting stranger by the day. First verizon is rumored to be in final stages to secure the iphone, then they bash the iphone and get android, then they are again rumored to be selling iPhones soon.
I dunno, but I think that an alliance with US Cellular or Tmobile are more likely at this point, since T-Mobile already supports all the iPhone features via Deutche Telekom, and US Cellular works in the subway (in Chicago so that would be nice to have, not the phone calls, but the internet at least).
This is from one analyst and AppleStud (who doesn't know what he's talking about and should promptly remove the Apple moniker from his name with his diservice).
They also have 91% of the $1000+ market in the US and take one-third of every dollar for PCs sold in the US. That is a bigger share than HP, which has 25% of the market. 10% of PC sales without selling cheap machines is the market everyone wishes they had.
Wrong - the market is for young people between 17 and 24. Your talking from a stockholder perpective only interested in momentary profits.
Plus, CDMA doesn't allow voice and data over the same call; so, you'd have an iPhone that doesn't work like other iPhones do. That's a cardinal sin. Can anyone really see Apple saying: "Sorry, this app won't work for you because you have a Verizon iPhone"?? Not likely. It would cripple the seamless user experience.
EXCELLENT point. Just yesterday I had a call on speakerphone while google-mapping directions for somebody. Not possible on VZ. Deal breaker - sorry.
This is from one analyst and AppleStud (who doesn't know what he's talking about and should promptly remove the Apple moniker from his name with his diservice).
I would take this rumour with a grain of salt.
so much for personal insults discrediting one's argument, eh?
Isn't that the exact reason why Apple would make that move? So that Verizon doesn't saturate it's smart phone sales with Droids, instead with iPhones.
That is best reason I?ve heard for Apple to go to Verizon. After all, in the end Apple is competing with the vendors.
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700MHz LTE. 800/1900MHz CDMA1X/EVDO. And if they want to make a world phone out of it, throw in GSM 800/900/1800/1900.
That's seven bands right there, which equals the best of RIM and HTC and is ahead of what Apple has delivered so far on the iPhone. If you additionally want global data, throw in 2100UMTS. Has anyone ever done an eight band phone before? Perhaps Apple could be the first? In any case, there's some new ground to break here.
That sounds like one large, power guzzling device. I can?t imagine that the chips would be as small and efficient as the ones they use now. And that doesn?t even include LTE, which the saucer eyed, Verizon fanboys would expect.
Wrong. My AT&T 3G coverage is excellent, almost everywhere I go. As much recognition as Apple gets for their marketing, Verizon deserves a lot of credit for convincing people their network is, as a matter of indisputable fact, superior to AT&T.
People who make generalized comments like 'AT&T is the WORST I can't ever make a call without a drop' or 'Verizon has the BEST coverage hands down' are to put it kindly.... diluted.
Guess what.... EVERY carrier SUCKS **and** EVERY carrier is GREAT!
If I happen to live on a street/subdivision where "JOE'S CELLULAR & BATH TOWLES INC." has a tower and I only travel apx. 20 miles from home much of the time and the nearest Verizon or AT&T tower is 30+ miles away then GUESS WHAT!??!
JOE'S CELLULAR & BATH TOWLES is the GREATEST and the rest suck dirty dish-water!!
Come on folks... we need to all realize that making comments about one carriers quality/coverage is subjective to the point that even in the same TOWN two people could have two ENTIRELY different feelings when it comes to 'carrier A' vs. 'carrier B' if the town is sprawling enough and one person lives on one side of a mountain and the other person lives on the other side.
Wrong - the market is for young people between 17 and 24. Your talking from a stockholder perpective only interested in momentary profits.
you really think Apple's sole target market is 17-24 yr olds? Look at all the pics and videos on their in-store demo computers. Family vacations, etc. Not too many 17 year-olds editing home movies.
In addition, EVERYBODY targets young people. Apple's youthful image appeals to people of all ages.
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Again you're wrong , the share was 7-8%. Stop distorting things. Yeesh!
your antics bore me. The bottom line is the Get a Mac campaign has been very successful. Even IF osx had 8%, now they have 10, that's still 25% growth, which is quite good. Apple's doing everything right from a growth and earnings perspective. Of course, I think your numbers are off and the growth has probably been much more than that.
Lets face it, until LTE networks go global, Apple is unlikely to make an iPhone that will work on Verizon's network. 2011 at the earliest...
Although Verizon is ahead of AT&T on starting LTE deployment, it'll be years, well past 2011, before phones on VZ's network are freed from the need to include legacy CDMA support in addition to LTE. For Apple to offer a VZ iPhone they'd need to design and built a special multi-standard handset just for this carrier.
Could Apple do that? Yes. Will they? Unlikely in the extreme.
BTW, count me in the group of iPhone 3G owners who travels all over the place and finds AT&T's coverage pretty good. VZ is dominant in my home area, but AT&T is more than acceptable. That's not to minimize the service issues in San Francisco and New York, but it's wrong to assume that their experience somehow applies everywhere else. Remember too that New Yorkers aren't shy about expressing complaints...
Last, why would Apple make an iPhone to work on Verizon's network when a majority of the world uses GSM? Kind of a no brainer. Verizon needs to join the rest of the world so they can play well with others.
The argument that Apple would greatly profit from a CDMA-based iPhone is solid. There are 150M+ CDMA-based users in the US and there are some countries that can’t get the iPhone until a CDMA version is made. It may only account for 10% of the world’s cellphone users but it’s still a very large number.
Still, there are already reports of production issues from this year’s 3GS launch and there are logistical issues for the controlling Apple to have 2 phones for each capacity stocked in their stores. I’d think they’d go with T-Mobile USA, by adding the additional radio, where controlled iPhone growth to here 40M customers would be an smoother transition. On top of that, they already have a rapport with the parent company in Europe and they are certainly a favoured underdog in the US that would likely be more willing to bend to Apple’s needs over Verizon.
PS: This thread has now been jacked up. It looks like more than half the posts are from Teckstud followed by others correcting him. When you feed him it just gets out of hand. Please, be kind to other forum members
I am sticking with AT&T. I am very happy here in Houston with their service and they are a better price deal than Verizon. Data plans, minutes and text messages are exactly the same. However Big Red charges $2.99 for visual voicemail.
Cheers!
I dunno, but I think that an alliance with US Cellular or Tmobile are more likely at this point, since T-Mobile already supports all the iPhone features via Deutche Telekom, and US Cellular works in the subway (in Chicago so that would be nice to have, not the phone calls, but the internet at least).
Still, there are already reports of production issues from this year?s 3GS launch and there are logistical issues for the controlling Apple to have 2 phones for each capacity stocked in their stores. I?d think they?d go with T-Mobile USA, by adding the additional radio, where controlled iPhone growth to here 40M customers would be an smoother transition. On top of that, they already have a rapport with the parent company in Europe and they are certainly a favoured underdog in the US that would likely be more willing to bend to Apple?s needs over Verizon.
Interesting. I'm not sure which route Apple would take. I don't think it would be terribly complicated to produce a CDMA iPhone - I'd bet the house that Apple has at least a few working prototypes in their labs. Production issues can be sorted out along the way. Verizon offers the most growth potential, so I think they'd naturally go there next (whenever that may be).
Apple already has stated several times it doesn't see any sense in investing in making a CDMA network handset because nearly the whole world is on GSM and CDMA is nearing end of life. Verizon is moving to LTE, a next generation GSM standard. That won't probably happen until 2011.
I see the iPhone going to T-Mobile for Verizon or Sprint. Apple & AT&T never expected exclusivity to last forever. Apple wanted an exclusive partner so both would work to together in innovating ne services such as visual voicemail and App store etc. Since AT&T was GSM, it made sense to build a GSM iphone because it works on 95% of the worlds networks
Exactly.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the enormous success of the iPhone was even calculated at Apple.
Remember Steve Jobs mentioning in January of 2007, that Apple's goal was to get 1% of the market. They honestly didn't know what to expect, being completely new in the handheld business, even though they knew that they had something special in their hands. So the partnership with AT&T was a well designed. Imagine the damage if they would have gone with more partners and the thing would have been a failure!
With Verizon and Moto's recent moves, the switch has to be at least 6 - 12 months out. Oh to be a fly on the wall sometimes...
Isn't that the exact reason why Apple would make that move? So that Verizon doesn't saturate it's smart phone sales with Droids, instead with iPhones.
But let's think for a moment of what this means on hardware. A Q3 2010 iPhone would have to support the following frequencies on Verizon:
700MHz LTE. 800/1900MHz CDMA1X/EVDO. And if they want to make a world phone out of it, throw in GSM 800/900/1800/1900.
That's seven bands right there, which equals the best of RIM and HTC and is ahead of what Apple has delivered so far on the iPhone. If you additionally want global data, throw in 2100UMTS. Has anyone ever done an eight band phone before? Perhaps Apple could be the first? In any case, there's some new ground to break here.
Even IF osx had 8%, now they have 10, that's still 25% growth, which is quite good. Apple's doing everything right from a growth and earnings perspective. Of course, I think your numbers are off and the growth has probably been much more than that.
They also have 91% of the $1000+ market in the US and take one-third of every dollar for PCs sold in the US. That is a bigger share than HP, which has 25% of the market. 10% of PC sales without selling cheap machines is the market everyone wishes they had.
Hm.... this is getting stranger by the day. First verizon is rumored to be in final stages to secure the iphone, then they bash the iphone and get android, then they are again rumored to be selling iPhones soon.
I dunno, but I think that an alliance with US Cellular or Tmobile are more likely at this point, since T-Mobile already supports all the iPhone features via Deutche Telekom, and US Cellular works in the subway (in Chicago so that would be nice to have, not the phone calls, but the internet at least).
This is from one analyst and AppleStud (who doesn't know what he's talking about and should promptly remove the Apple moniker from his name with his diservice).
I would take this rumour with a grain of salt.
They also have 91% of the $1000+ market in the US and take one-third of every dollar for PCs sold in the US. That is a bigger share than HP, which has 25% of the market. 10% of PC sales without selling cheap machines is the market everyone wishes they had.
Wrong - the market is for young people between 17 and 24. Your talking from a stockholder perpective only interested in momentary profits.
Plus, CDMA doesn't allow voice and data over the same call; so, you'd have an iPhone that doesn't work like other iPhones do. That's a cardinal sin. Can anyone really see Apple saying: "Sorry, this app won't work for you because you have a Verizon iPhone"?? Not likely. It would cripple the seamless user experience.
EXCELLENT point. Just yesterday I had a call on speakerphone while google-mapping directions for somebody. Not possible on VZ. Deal breaker - sorry.
This is from one analyst and AppleStud (who doesn't know what he's talking about and should promptly remove the Apple moniker from his name with his diservice).
I would take this rumour with a grain of salt.
so much for personal insults discrediting one's argument, eh?
Isn't that the exact reason why Apple would make that move? So that Verizon doesn't saturate it's smart phone sales with Droids, instead with iPhones.
That is best reason I?ve heard for Apple to go to Verizon. After all, in the end Apple is competing with the vendors.
700MHz LTE. 800/1900MHz CDMA1X/EVDO. And if they want to make a world phone out of it, throw in GSM 800/900/1800/1900.
That's seven bands right there, which equals the best of RIM and HTC and is ahead of what Apple has delivered so far on the iPhone. If you additionally want global data, throw in 2100UMTS. Has anyone ever done an eight band phone before? Perhaps Apple could be the first? In any case, there's some new ground to break here.
That sounds like one large, power guzzling device. I can?t imagine that the chips would be as small and efficient as the ones they use now. And that doesn?t even include LTE, which the saucer eyed, Verizon fanboys would expect.
Wrong. My AT&T 3G coverage is excellent, almost everywhere I go. As much recognition as Apple gets for their marketing, Verizon deserves a lot of credit for convincing people their network is, as a matter of indisputable fact, superior to AT&T.
People who make generalized comments like 'AT&T is the WORST I can't ever make a call without a drop' or 'Verizon has the BEST coverage hands down' are to put it kindly.... diluted.
Guess what.... EVERY carrier SUCKS **and** EVERY carrier is GREAT!
If I happen to live on a street/subdivision where "JOE'S CELLULAR & BATH TOWLES INC." has a tower and I only travel apx. 20 miles from home much of the time and the nearest Verizon or AT&T tower is 30+ miles away then GUESS WHAT!??!
JOE'S CELLULAR & BATH TOWLES is the GREATEST and the rest suck dirty dish-water!!
Come on folks... we need to all realize that making comments about one carriers quality/coverage is subjective to the point that even in the same TOWN two people could have two ENTIRELY different feelings when it comes to 'carrier A' vs. 'carrier B' if the town is sprawling enough and one person lives on one side of a mountain and the other person lives on the other side.
Wrong - the market is for young people between 17 and 24. Your talking from a stockholder perpective only interested in momentary profits.
you really think Apple's sole target market is 17-24 yr olds? Look at all the pics and videos on their in-store demo computers. Family vacations, etc. Not too many 17 year-olds editing home movies.
In addition, EVERYBODY targets young people. Apple's youthful image appeals to people of all ages.
Wrong - the market is for young people between 17 and 24. Your talking from a stockholder perpective only interested in momentary profits.
What have you been drinking Teck?