Well if they showed overall coverage AT&T would lose there as well. Verizon has a blanket completely covering the entire the USA including Hawaii and Alaska .
AT&T does not.
Well, if they showed Global Coverage, your Verizon CDMA-only phone would not work in most of the world....your AT&T 3G phone would.
See this map?
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This is the map where Verizon supports the iPhone today.
Apple spends much much more on TV advertising- bar none. Microsof'st is all in print advertising up to this past year.
How much did MS pay for those Jerry Seinfeld / Bill Gates ads "about nothing"?!... I think there were only three... before MS dumped that idea... and after all that money...
"Remember those awful Microsoft ads with Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates? Well, now you can forget them. Microsoft flacks are desperately dialing reporters to spin them about "phase two" of the ad campaign ? a phase, due to be announced tomorrow, which will drop the aging comic altogether. Microsoft's version of the story: Redmond had always planned to drop Seinfeld. The awkward reality: The ads only reminded us how out of touch with consumers Microsoft is ? and that Bill Gates's company has millions of dollars to waste on hiring a has-been funnyman to keep him company."
Apparently that's the case, just as there's no denying 1001 is a bigger number than 1000. Close is good enough in horseshoes and hand grenades. Verizon also nickle-and-dimes its customers more, too.
You're a blind homer, apparently. ATT isn't a little worse than Verizon. Nearly everyone on ATT complains about dropped calls at some point, while Verizon users look at you and say "you drop calls? why would you put up with that?"
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Much is the same for many Verizon users. So what's your point?
My point is that ATT drops far more calls and has far worse coverage. You missed that?
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Let me guess, it's when you're behind a hill or in a little ravine. The fact that it's predictable is a good thing, no? Are Verizon's dropped calls unpredictable... and happy?
Exactly. Driving west 50 through courthouse. Call drops every time. Exiting 66 onto the toll road access road, dropped call every time. No, it has nothing to do with geology.
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Is your iPhone jailbroken?
You've got some major jailbroke blinders on. I'm not sure where you got the idea that a large percentage of iPhones are jailbroken, but they are not. No, my iPhone is not and never has been jailbroken.
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Try a Verizon phone for a couple weeks and see if it doesn't drop calls when you're driving about. The parkways and major roads of DC go 'round and through some decent hills. My experience with Verizon, in the locations I cared about, was that its coverage was worse than AT&T.
Then you'd be the only one in the DC area who claims that.
'3) A large majority of people do not travel outside of the US'
That's just f***ing sad.
I wonder what the comparable number is for Euros traveling outside the Euro area, a similarly large land mass. Americans get a bum rap for never leaving the country, in large part because we can travel far and wide without ever leaving the country!
And yes, I travel all over the world regularly so I'm not talking about myself here. But if I lived in Kansas, NYC would be a pretty wild trip! And so would San Fran! Going from France to Germany is like going from VA to GA, but it just happens to be inside what's all the same country. The different states may not speak different languages, but the cultures are just as different as going from country to country in W Europe.
Too bad the ads won't really achieve much because the iPhone . . . is not available on Verizon. And the iPhone's growth isn't slowing down anytime soon.
Here's today's MDN take:
For Verizon to place the very device upon which their now multi-year parade of inferior knockoffs is based on an "Island of Misfit Toys" is a dramatic example of self-delusion and irony. If Apple's iPhone is on an "Island of Misfit Toys," then the best devices that Verizon can offer are are lying miles off shore, submerged, rusting, and dysfunctional under at least 50 feet of salt water. It's a cute ad, but it backfires under the least bit of scrutiny: Verizon offers wider, but slower, 3G coverage and a bunch of inferior handsets that obviously, and quite desperately, only wish they were iPhones.
Verizon had better be careful. This is Steve Jobs they're dealing with and this ad is sure to come up, if not played on a huge screen, when Verizon again comes begging Apple for an iPhone deal. Or maybe Verizon just has a death wish: iPhone 4G in the U.S. on AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint.
Verizon should have spent this much money and effort on trying to get the iPhone when Apple originally offered it to them. That had to be the Business Blunder of the Decade.
Instead of paying for all these commercials and air time, why not use the money to upgrade to 4G faster?....get on to a global standard and off of CDMA ASAP.
It's clear to me that Verizon knows that they will not get the iPhone until they have a 4G Network that is completely rolled out (2012-13).
I hope the rumors are true that the iPhone is coming to Verizon in Q3 2010. I want one so bad, but I am not paying $60/month for my wife and I to have 2.5G coverage in Minnesota here. ATT is a joke.
You know, I can't wait 'til the iPhone comes to Verizon. Then this tired debate can be put to bed. If you get better coverage with Verizon in your area, then you'll get your iPhone with them. If, like me, you get better (3G) coverage in your area from AT&T, then you'll stay with them. I drop no more calls with my iPhone than I did with my Crackberry on Verizon. Maybe after 30%-50% of AT&T iPhone subscribers switch back to Verizon, it'll tax the crap out of their network as well.
Verizon should have spent this much money and effort on trying to get the iPhone when Apple originally offered it to them. That had to be the Business Blunder of the Decade.
Instead of paying for all these commercials and air time, why not use the money to upgrade to 4G faster?....get on to a global standard and off of CDMA ASAP.
It's clear to me that Verizon knows that they will not get the iPhone until they have a 4G Network that is completely rolled out (2012-13).
I thought the Business Blunder of the Decade was the iPhone locked into AT&FEE for 3 years and counting with such lousy coverage, late MMS, and still no tethering. Imagine how much more APple could have made if the iPhone were offered on more than one carrier. As much as Apple has made off its iPhone, AT&Fee has more than made riding on its back.
Did Apple actually think the cellphone market wasn't going to be competitive? I'm surprised it actually took this long for direct advertising attacks.
I take it no one here has read Daniel's (AKA Prince McClean) article outlining legitimate reasons why "Verizon getting an iPhone" claims are unfounded. It's here for those who missed it:
CDMA is a dying technology. Telecom here in New Zealand is ditching its CDMA network for WCDMA because it can't use its phones elsewhere in the world very easily instead having to use World Mode phones which are kind of pathetic. Also Telecom's phones have been so feature poor that Vodafone was trouncing them. Hell, Vodafone's bottom end phone has BlueTooth and web browsing which is more than some of Telecom's top end phones had.
If Verizon is insisting on continuing using CDMA then all the features that makes the iPhone a great phone will largely be useless under CDMA. CDMA 3G is no way near as good as WCDMA and I've seen the two working side by side with a test between Vodafone's UMTS network and Telecom's CDMA network and Telecom failed miserably.
I'm picking that in the right spots the battle between the two would probably favour AT&T instead of Verizon.
I thought the Business Blunder of the Decade was the iPhone locked into AT&FEE for 3 years
Except that the iPhone is enjoying record sales with no slowdown in sight, is about to overtake RIM, has handed AT&T record quarters, and has become the Gold Standard of smartphones. All in two years.
Apple locking it to AT&T was a brilliant move. It has create a wicked amount of demand for the iPhone and Apple is quute pleased to listen to and deny various iPhone suitors at will. Apple has seen that the iPhone has such desirability that consumers are willing to put up with a dinosaur carrier in order to use it. Apple now knows just how far it can go with controlling carriers and just how much power it wields among them.
Mmmmm, I seem to recall you using the words "troll", "trolling" "resident troll" etc, etc.etc as if they are so grown up? And "stunted little mind" might just be a personal attack?
(i) You recall wrong - can you find a post of mine that uses the word 'troll?' (ii) I said, 'symptomatic of a ......' - you should expand your own comprehension a bit more.
I thought the Business Blunder of the Decade was the iPhone locked into AT&FEE for 3 years and counting with such lousy coverage, late MMS, and still no tethering. Imagine how much more APple could have made if the iPhone were offered on more than one carrier. As much as Apple has made off its iPhone, AT&Fee has more than made riding on its back.
Did Apple actually think entering the cellphone market wasn't going to be competitive? I'm surprised it actually took this long.
3 years? Mine was 2.
Service where I am at is great....I get 4-5 bars inside my home now. I think that AT&T installed a new tower near me....or added that new frequency that is able to penetrate walls.
If your service is so bad, why didn't you return the phone?.....you had 30 days.
Service where I am at is great....I get 4-5 bars inside my home now. I think that AT&T installed a new tower near me....or added that new frequency that is able to penetrate walls.
If your service is so bad, why didn't you return the phone?.....you had 30 days.
He's one of those that knew about AT&T and their service issues, then went ahead anyway and got an iPhone. And then keeps complaining about AT&T.
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Well if they showed overall coverage AT&T would lose there as well. Verizon has a blanket completely covering the entire the USA including Hawaii and Alaska .
AT&T does not.
Well, if they showed Global Coverage, your Verizon CDMA-only phone would not work in most of the world....your AT&T 3G phone would.
See this map?
<blank>
This is the map where Verizon supports the iPhone today.
Apple spends much much more on TV advertising- bar none. Microsof'st is all in print advertising up to this past year.
How much did MS pay for those Jerry Seinfeld / Bill Gates ads "about nothing"?!... I think there were only three... before MS dumped that idea... and after all that money...
"Remember those awful Microsoft ads with Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates? Well, now you can forget them. Microsoft flacks are desperately dialing reporters to spin them about "phase two" of the ad campaign ? a phase, due to be announced tomorrow, which will drop the aging comic altogether. Microsoft's version of the story: Redmond had always planned to drop Seinfeld. The awkward reality: The ads only reminded us how out of touch with consumers Microsoft is ? and that Bill Gates's company has millions of dollars to waste on hiring a has-been funnyman to keep him company."
http://valleywag.gawker.com/5051455/...e-seinfeld-ads
How many Justin Longs ads could have been made with all that money "down the drain" ad for what, Vista!?
Apparently that's the case, just as there's no denying 1001 is a bigger number than 1000. Close is good enough in horseshoes and hand grenades. Verizon also nickle-and-dimes its customers more, too.
You're a blind homer, apparently. ATT isn't a little worse than Verizon. Nearly everyone on ATT complains about dropped calls at some point, while Verizon users look at you and say "you drop calls? why would you put up with that?"
Much is the same for many Verizon users. So what's your point?
My point is that ATT drops far more calls and has far worse coverage. You missed that?
Let me guess, it's when you're behind a hill or in a little ravine. The fact that it's predictable is a good thing, no? Are Verizon's dropped calls unpredictable... and happy?
Exactly. Driving west 50 through courthouse. Call drops every time. Exiting 66 onto the toll road access road, dropped call every time. No, it has nothing to do with geology.
Is your iPhone jailbroken?
You've got some major jailbroke blinders on. I'm not sure where you got the idea that a large percentage of iPhones are jailbroken, but they are not. No, my iPhone is not and never has been jailbroken.
Try a Verizon phone for a couple weeks and see if it doesn't drop calls when you're driving about. The parkways and major roads of DC go 'round and through some decent hills. My experience with Verizon, in the locations I cared about, was that its coverage was worse than AT&T.
Then you'd be the only one in the DC area who claims that.
If Apple uses the Qualcomm chip it's game over as that chip set will do ALL of the protocols that every carrier uses including LTE.
Now would the Verizon, and other CDMA carriers, naysayers please shut up, thank you.
'3) A large majority of people do not travel outside of the US'
That's just f***ing sad.
I wonder what the comparable number is for Euros traveling outside the Euro area, a similarly large land mass. Americans get a bum rap for never leaving the country, in large part because we can travel far and wide without ever leaving the country!
And yes, I travel all over the world regularly so I'm not talking about myself here. But if I lived in Kansas, NYC would be a pretty wild trip! And so would San Fran! Going from France to Germany is like going from VA to GA, but it just happens to be inside what's all the same country. The different states may not speak different languages, but the cultures are just as different as going from country to country in W Europe.
Here's today's MDN take:
For Verizon to place the very device upon which their now multi-year parade of inferior knockoffs is based on an "Island of Misfit Toys" is a dramatic example of self-delusion and irony. If Apple's iPhone is on an "Island of Misfit Toys," then the best devices that Verizon can offer are are lying miles off shore, submerged, rusting, and dysfunctional under at least 50 feet of salt water. It's a cute ad, but it backfires under the least bit of scrutiny: Verizon offers wider, but slower, 3G coverage and a bunch of inferior handsets that obviously, and quite desperately, only wish they were iPhones.
Verizon had better be careful. This is Steve Jobs they're dealing with and this ad is sure to come up, if not played on a huge screen, when Verizon again comes begging Apple for an iPhone deal. Or maybe Verizon just has a death wish: iPhone 4G in the U.S. on AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint.
Spot on.
Verizon is seeing that consumers will put up with a seemingly horrible carrier just to get their hands on the iPhone, and they can't stand it.
It must really gall Verizon that they can be just as horrible as AT&T and yet they still can't get the iPhone.
Well, if they showed Global Coverage, your Verizon CDMA-only phone would not work in most of the world....your AT&T 3G phone would.
See this map?
<blank>
This is the map where Verizon supports the iPhone today.
True dat- but as someone else posted - what Americans travel beyond our borders? We have Disney and Las Vegas - do we really need to go anywhere else?
How many Justin Longs ads could have been made with all that money "down the drain" ad for what, Vista!?
Hasta la Vista, baby! It's all about Windows 7 now.
Instead of paying for all these commercials and air time, why not use the money to upgrade to 4G faster?....get on to a global standard and off of CDMA ASAP.
It's clear to me that Verizon knows that they will not get the iPhone until they have a 4G Network that is completely rolled out (2012-13).
Verizon should have spent this much money and effort on trying to get the iPhone when Apple originally offered it to them. That had to be the Business Blunder of the Decade.
Instead of paying for all these commercials and air time, why not use the money to upgrade to 4G faster?....get on to a global standard and off of CDMA ASAP.
It's clear to me that Verizon knows that they will not get the iPhone until they have a 4G Network that is completely rolled out (2012-13).
I thought the Business Blunder of the Decade was the iPhone locked into AT&FEE for 3 years and counting with such lousy coverage, late MMS, and still no tethering. Imagine how much more APple could have made if the iPhone were offered on more than one carrier. As much as Apple has made off its iPhone, AT&Fee has more than made riding on its back.
Did Apple actually think the cellphone market wasn't going to be competitive? I'm surprised it actually took this long for direct advertising attacks.
"Come enjoy our faster, more reliable network, with a whole range of lousy phones that aren't the iPhone!"
Winner.
I take it no one here has read Daniel's (AKA Prince McClean) article outlining legitimate reasons why "Verizon getting an iPhone" claims are unfounded. It's here for those who missed it:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/1...ng-to-verizon/
CDMA is a dying technology. Telecom here in New Zealand is ditching its CDMA network for WCDMA because it can't use its phones elsewhere in the world very easily instead having to use World Mode phones which are kind of pathetic. Also Telecom's phones have been so feature poor that Vodafone was trouncing them. Hell, Vodafone's bottom end phone has BlueTooth and web browsing which is more than some of Telecom's top end phones had.
If Verizon is insisting on continuing using CDMA then all the features that makes the iPhone a great phone will largely be useless under CDMA. CDMA 3G is no way near as good as WCDMA and I've seen the two working side by side with a test between Vodafone's UMTS network and Telecom's CDMA network and Telecom failed miserably.
I'm picking that in the right spots the battle between the two would probably favour AT&T instead of Verizon.
I guess you missed the later article
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...n_q3_2010.html
about the next generation of iPhone being a UMTS/CDMA hybrid and that it will be available on Verizon.
I thought the Business Blunder of the Decade was the iPhone locked into AT&FEE for 3 years
Except that the iPhone is enjoying record sales with no slowdown in sight, is about to overtake RIM, has handed AT&T record quarters, and has become the Gold Standard of smartphones. All in two years.
Apple locking it to AT&T was a brilliant move. It has create a wicked amount of demand for the iPhone and Apple is quute pleased to listen to and deny various iPhone suitors at will. Apple has seen that the iPhone has such desirability that consumers are willing to put up with a dinosaur carrier in order to use it. Apple now knows just how far it can go with controlling carriers and just how much power it wields among them.
Mmmmm, I seem to recall you using the words "troll", "trolling" "resident troll" etc, etc.etc as if they are so grown up? And "stunted little mind" might just be a personal attack?
(i) You recall wrong - can you find a post of mine that uses the word 'troll?' (ii) I said, 'symptomatic of a ......' - you should expand your own comprehension a bit more.
I thought the Business Blunder of the Decade was the iPhone locked into AT&FEE for 3 years and counting with such lousy coverage, late MMS, and still no tethering. Imagine how much more APple could have made if the iPhone were offered on more than one carrier. As much as Apple has made off its iPhone, AT&Fee has more than made riding on its back.
Did Apple actually think entering the cellphone market wasn't going to be competitive? I'm surprised it actually took this long.
3 years? Mine was 2.
Service where I am at is great....I get 4-5 bars inside my home now. I think that AT&T installed a new tower near me....or added that new frequency that is able to penetrate walls.
If your service is so bad, why didn't you return the phone?.....you had 30 days.
3 years? Mine was 2.
Service where I am at is great....I get 4-5 bars inside my home now. I think that AT&T installed a new tower near me....or added that new frequency that is able to penetrate walls.
If your service is so bad, why didn't you return the phone?.....you had 30 days.
He's one of those that knew about AT&T and their service issues, then went ahead anyway and got an iPhone. And then keeps complaining about AT&T.
Witness the power of the iPhone.
Verizon:
"Come enjoy our faster, more reliable network, with a whole range of lousy phones that aren't the iPhone!"
Winner.
Like having a superhighway with no Lexus only Camaros?
Lexus, on the other hand, stuck on country back roads!