Plenty of tall building and cloud cover to block the sun.
You see in Florida, we got a lot of sunshine. We leave the windows unblocked to let all that glorious sun inside and even paint our walls light and bright to reflect that wonderful sunlight into our lives.
We just don't like it reflected into our eyes when we are trying to read the computer screen.
But, to be honest. It's the whole g-dam computer industry led by the cheap ass LCD industry that's going glossy (except Leveno and specialty monitor makers) because shiny sells. Like a high gloss wax on a car. (who pays top dollar for a new car with a dull paint job right?)
So if glossy/reflections/glare is a issue, get a anti-glare film and apply, another $30 to the price tag.
It's a shame, Apple should offer to apply the film in store. Would make everyone happy!
Hello Apple?
That's just kind of crazy.
I live in a single family home with enough ground around it so that it isn't blocked from the sun except for the big tree in the front yard.
You're nuts to keep your computer where the sun shines in on it. No matter what, that's wrong, and you get far more glare with a matte screen that way than I would get with a glossy, in a decently, though not excessively, set up room, which is what we have.
He's missed letters, hit the space bar, missed the shift key, no periods etc., etc.
See what glare and reflections get you, poor eyesight!
Seriously, You matte people are like a religious cult! You pop up in every thread. This thread is about the quad cores shipping and yet, like so many others you've high-jacked, has degraded to pointless banter about your obvious agenda. Give it a rest! Or at least stay on topic!
The i5/i7 27" iMac has altered my thinking. I plan to buy one next year after the Rev 1 glitches are addressed and the specs are upgraded.
I'll connect my Dell 2407 to the i7 iMac and untether my '06 MBP C2D.
It’s a good thing your waiting. I’ve read more than few comments about the DP in not working with video cards from machines that have DP out. Apple would be remiss to have this feature only with with their machines with DP. I’d wager it’s not their intention, but a technical issue, hopefully resolved with a driver update.
It might be worthwhile to note that even though we are getting 4 cores in the new iMac's, some way and some how it will be hobbled so the performance will be only slightly greater than the duo cores instead of the assumed 2x rate with 2x the amount of cores...
Apple or Intel might be hobbling the first issue of quad cores and then later on issuing newer versions with ever faster speeds by reducing the hobbling.
Giving a consumer a unrestricted quad core is a lot of performance punch, there's got to be a trick somewhere in there.
How much time do you spend thinking about these fantasy scenarios? "It might be worthwhile to note..." - the only thing to note is you are speculating from somewhere in your mind. Please don't state things like they are facts when they are your fabrications.
How much time do you spend thinking about these fantasy scenarios? "It might be worthwhile to note..." - the only thing to note is you are speculating from somewhere in your mind. Please don't state things like they are facts when they are your fabrications.
He's on something for sure. Look at his screen name. It's a cry for help.
For example look at what Microsoft has been doing with GUI. They have replaced text-only menus with a system where clicking a menu title changes out the Toolbar.
Not for me, thanks. It sounds like the Office Ribbon interface, which I can't stand. I'm on Office 2004, and will never upgrade to that interface. Tools changing places is just unacceptable to me. Anytime Microsoft tries to guess what I want to do, they guess wrong.
It's amazing to me how some people just adamantly refuse to believe that, yes, indeed, some people who actually own glossy-screened Macs could possibly not mind them. At all. Or even like them, as I do.
With my MBP, if there's a window near me, I sure as hell don't have my back turned to it. Yes, because there would be glare. But also because there's a freakin' VIEW out the window!
I live in a single family home with enough ground around it so that it isn't blocked from the sun except for the big tree in the front yard.
I know, I'm just busting your chops.
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Originally Posted by melgross
You're nuts to keep your computer where the sun shines in on it. No matter what, that's wrong, and you get far more glare with a matte screen that way than I would get with a glossy, in a decently, though not excessively, set up room, which is what we have.
The sunlight is everywhere in Florida most times (and any other bright state), it's like if you turned up the brightness level or something. It reflects off of everything and onto the glassy screen and thus into your eyes.
So it's not just the main glare from the sun itself, which I agree would wash out even a matte screen, it's the reflected light off the walls, the furniture, the floor and so on onto the glossy screen that makes it such a issue. So the "just tilt to eliminate the glare" is only good if the glare comes from one source, but in bright areas the glare is coming from multiple sources and multiple intensities.
Sure I could paint the walls black, use black lights and use heavy drapes to cover the windows, but that's depressing and that would be the only place to use my computer, in this case a laptop.
I'm glad the big man brought back the matte 15" back, he has vision problems too, so he understands.
The solution would be to have a in house film application option. It would save educational and government sales in England and Australia for one.
Parts of it. There are such things as curtains, and window shades, and blinds, and drapes.
You can always move into a cave in Afghanistan - no more shiny screen.
Seriously, if I work at my computer for 10 hours a day, I would really like to be in a room with a good dose of natural light coming in. I also do research in books (light required) while I'm on the computer. (And I wear light-colored shirts sometimes(!)).
I can ignore the reflections up to a point, but it doesn't take very long before I feel eyestrain. On the other hand, on my iMac G5 20" (nice display), I can work for many hours without feeling any eyestrain at all.
The sunlight is everywhere in Florida most times (and any other bright state), it's like if you turned up the brightness level or something. It reflects off of everything and onto the glassy screen and thus into your eyes.
So it's not just the main glare from the sun itself, which I agree would wash out even a matte screen, it's the reflected light off the walls, the furniture, the floor and so on onto the glossy screen that makes it such a issue. So the "just tilt to eliminate the glare" is only good if the glare comes from one source, but in bright areas the glare is coming from multiple sources and multiple intensities.
Sure I could paint the walls black, use black lights and use heavy drapes to cover the windows, but that's depressing and that would be the only place to use my computer, in this case a laptop.
I'm glad the big man brought back the matte 15" back, he has vision problems too, so he understands.
The solution would be to have a in house film application option. It would save educational and government sales in England and Australia for one.
Dim the sun with a window covering when you use the computer. I don't see what the problem is with this. No matter how high you set the brightness and contrast on your display, you're going to get a washed out image, more so with a matte screen than with a glossy one. All the high quality graphics monitor manufacturers sell, or include a monitor shield for this purpose, though they do say to use the monitor in a room with subdued light, with no light reflecting onto the screen. This is for matte monitors. It's the same for glossy models.
I spend enough time in Florida to know how much light you get, and how easy it is to subdue it. It's no excuse.
I'm waiting for somebody to try hooking up a PS3 or dedicated Blu-ray player to the video INPUT of one of these. I'm guessing the display will show a 1920*1080 image with big black bars on the top, bottom, and sides. Or perhaps the screen has image scaling built-in and will stretch the image full-screen 2560*1440? Do any Blu-ray drives upscale to 2560*1440 because I'm dam near positive the PS3 doesn't. Am I missing something?
I'd be strongly tempted to get one of these 27" iMacs if I can hook up a PS3 (scaled to 2560*1440) or at least a Blu-ray player (scaled to 2560*1440).
You can always move into a cave in Afghanistan - no more shiny screen.
Seriously, if I work at my computer for 10 hours a day, I would really like to be in a room with a good dose of natural light coming in. I also do research in books (light required) while I'm on the computer. (And I wear light-colored shirts sometimes(!)).
I can ignore the reflections up to a point, but it doesn't take very long before I feel eyestrain. On the other hand, on my iMac G5 20" (nice display), I can work for many hours without feeling any eyestrain at all.
Every study shows that as with a Tv, light where a monitor is being used shouldn't be too much brighter than the screen itself, for, if anything, to prevent your pupils from constantly dilating and closing as you look towards and away. In the old days, the room was dark, because the monitors weren't bright enough. Today, the recommendation is for subdued lighting, with no light hitting the screen. I'm not making this up.
Seriously, You matte people are like a religious cult! You pop up in every thread. This thread is about the quad cores shipping and yet, like so many others you've high-jacked, has degraded to pointless banter about your obvious agenda. Give it a rest! Or at least stay on topic!
The only thing I want to look at behind glass is my aquarium.
It's amazing to me how some people just adamantly refuse to believe that, yes, indeed, some people who actually own glossy-screened Macs could possibly not mind them. At all. Or even like them, as I do.
With my MBP, if there's a window near me, I sure as hell don't have my back turned to it. Yes, because there would be glare. But also because there's a freakin' VIEW out the window!
I'm not giving anyone who likes glossy screens any grief. It's not like I'm campaigning to remove glossy in favor of matte.
There is no reason why Apple (and LCD makers) should make both or at least offer some kind of solution in house (like a film application or a attractive snap in piece?) that makes computers useful to those who do have a problem with glare and reflections.
Apple offers both glossy and matte 15/17" Mac Pro's right?
No problem there, but there is a problem with a whopping 27" glossy screen reflecting everything it can (as the larger you get in screen size the more it reflects)
It's a shame that people go into a Apple Store, see this nice 27" reflecting the lights overhead and decide to walk out without Apple or anyone knowing why.
Well I'm telling you why, it's you can't see what's on the screen and that makes using the computer a waste of effort. Especially since people in the store don't know there is a solution because Apple doesn't want to tell them or bother getting involved.
Now what Apple can do is have a sign near each computer for sale stating that a anti-glare film can be applied to computers at purchase and charge a reasonable fee.
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And 100% brightness
Not at all. All of our machines are profiled.
No, he lives in the North, NYC.
Plenty of tall building and cloud cover to block the sun.
You see in Florida, we got a lot of sunshine. We leave the windows unblocked to let all that glorious sun inside and even paint our walls light and bright to reflect that wonderful sunlight into our lives.
We just don't like it reflected into our eyes when we are trying to read the computer screen.
But, to be honest. It's the whole g-dam computer industry led by the cheap ass LCD industry that's going glossy (except Leveno and specialty monitor makers) because shiny sells. Like a high gloss wax on a car. (who pays top dollar for a new car with a dull paint job right?)
So if glossy/reflections/glare is a issue, get a anti-glare film and apply, another $30 to the price tag.
It's a shame, Apple should offer to apply the film in store. Would make everyone happy!
Hello Apple?
That's just kind of crazy.
I live in a single family home with enough ground around it so that it isn't blocked from the sun except for the big tree in the front yard.
You're nuts to keep your computer where the sun shines in on it. No matter what, that's wrong, and you get far more glare with a matte screen that way than I would get with a glossy, in a decently, though not excessively, set up room, which is what we have.
I will wait til Spring, once it gets what it needs.
The i5/i7 27" iMac has altered my thinking. I plan to buy one next year after the Rev 1 glitches are addressed and the specs are upgraded.
I'll connect my Dell 2407 to the i7 iMac and untether my '06 MBP C2D.
Of course not, just look at his post
He's missed letters, hit the space bar, missed the shift key, no periods etc., etc.
See what glare and reflections get you, poor eyesight!
Seriously, You matte people are like a religious cult! You pop up in every thread. This thread is about the quad cores shipping and yet, like so many others you've high-jacked, has degraded to pointless banter about your obvious agenda. Give it a rest! Or at least stay on topic!
The i5/i7 27" iMac has altered my thinking. I plan to buy one next year after the Rev 1 glitches are addressed and the specs are upgraded.
I'll connect my Dell 2407 to the i7 iMac and untether my '06 MBP C2D.
It’s a good thing your waiting. I’ve read more than few comments about the DP in not working with video cards from machines that have DP out. Apple would be remiss to have this feature only with with their machines with DP. I’d wager it’s not their intention, but a technical issue, hopefully resolved with a driver update.
It might be worthwhile to note that even though we are getting 4 cores in the new iMac's, some way and some how it will be hobbled so the performance will be only slightly greater than the duo cores instead of the assumed 2x rate with 2x the amount of cores...
Apple or Intel might be hobbling the first issue of quad cores and then later on issuing newer versions with ever faster speeds by reducing the hobbling.
Giving a consumer a unrestricted quad core is a lot of performance punch, there's got to be a trick somewhere in there.
How much time do you spend thinking about these fantasy scenarios? "It might be worthwhile to note..." - the only thing to note is you are speculating from somewhere in your mind. Please don't state things like they are facts when they are your fabrications.
How much time do you spend thinking about these fantasy scenarios? "It might be worthwhile to note..." - the only thing to note is you are speculating from somewhere in your mind. Please don't state things like they are facts when they are your fabrications.
He's on something for sure. Look at his screen name. It's a cry for help.
For example look at what Microsoft has been doing with GUI. They have replaced text-only menus with a system where clicking a menu title changes out the Toolbar.
Not for me, thanks. It sounds like the Office Ribbon interface, which I can't stand. I'm on Office 2004, and will never upgrade to that interface. Tools changing places is just unacceptable to me. Anytime Microsoft tries to guess what I want to do, they guess wrong.
Not at all. All of our machines are profiled.
It's amazing to me how some people just adamantly refuse to believe that, yes, indeed, some people who actually own glossy-screened Macs could possibly not mind them. At all. Or even like them, as I do.
With my MBP, if there's a window near me, I sure as hell don't have my back turned to it. Yes, because there would be glare. But also because there's a freakin' VIEW out the window!
That's just kind of crazy.
I live in a single family home with enough ground around it so that it isn't blocked from the sun except for the big tree in the front yard.
I know, I'm just busting your chops.
You're nuts to keep your computer where the sun shines in on it. No matter what, that's wrong, and you get far more glare with a matte screen that way than I would get with a glossy, in a decently, though not excessively, set up room, which is what we have.
The sunlight is everywhere in Florida most times (and any other bright state), it's like if you turned up the brightness level or something. It reflects off of everything and onto the glassy screen and thus into your eyes.
So it's not just the main glare from the sun itself, which I agree would wash out even a matte screen, it's the reflected light off the walls, the furniture, the floor and so on onto the glossy screen that makes it such a issue. So the "just tilt to eliminate the glare" is only good if the glare comes from one source, but in bright areas the glare is coming from multiple sources and multiple intensities.
Sure I could paint the walls black, use black lights and use heavy drapes to cover the windows, but that's depressing and that would be the only place to use my computer, in this case a laptop.
I'm glad the big man brought back the matte 15" back, he has vision problems too, so he understands.
The solution would be to have a in house film application option. It would save educational and government sales in England and Australia for one.
Parts of it. There are such things as curtains, and window shades, and blinds, and drapes.
You can always move into a cave in Afghanistan - no more shiny screen.
Seriously, if I work at my computer for 10 hours a day, I would really like to be in a room with a good dose of natural light coming in. I also do research in books (light required) while I'm on the computer. (And I wear light-colored shirts sometimes(!)).
I can ignore the reflections up to a point, but it doesn't take very long before I feel eyestrain. On the other hand, on my iMac G5 20" (nice display), I can work for many hours without feeling any eyestrain at all.
The sunlight is everywhere in Florida most times (and any other bright state), it's like if you turned up the brightness level or something. It reflects off of everything and onto the glassy screen and thus into your eyes.
So it's not just the main glare from the sun itself, which I agree would wash out even a matte screen, it's the reflected light off the walls, the furniture, the floor and so on onto the glossy screen that makes it such a issue. So the "just tilt to eliminate the glare" is only good if the glare comes from one source, but in bright areas the glare is coming from multiple sources and multiple intensities.
Sure I could paint the walls black, use black lights and use heavy drapes to cover the windows, but that's depressing and that would be the only place to use my computer, in this case a laptop.
I'm glad the big man brought back the matte 15" back, he has vision problems too, so he understands.
The solution would be to have a in house film application option. It would save educational and government sales in England and Australia for one.
Dim the sun with a window covering when you use the computer. I don't see what the problem is with this. No matter how high you set the brightness and contrast on your display, you're going to get a washed out image, more so with a matte screen than with a glossy one. All the high quality graphics monitor manufacturers sell, or include a monitor shield for this purpose, though they do say to use the monitor in a room with subdued light, with no light reflecting onto the screen. This is for matte monitors. It's the same for glossy models.
I spend enough time in Florida to know how much light you get, and how easy it is to subdue it. It's no excuse.
I just don't understand you guys.
The i5/i7 27" iMac has altered my thinking. I plan to buy one next year after the Rev 1 glitches are addressed and the specs are upgraded.
I'll connect my Dell 2407 to the i7 iMac and untether my '06 MBP C2D.
I'll take pictures and chat with my new HDiSight camera.
I'd be strongly tempted to get one of these 27" iMacs if I can hook up a PS3 (scaled to 2560*1440) or at least a Blu-ray player (scaled to 2560*1440).
You can always move into a cave in Afghanistan - no more shiny screen.
Seriously, if I work at my computer for 10 hours a day, I would really like to be in a room with a good dose of natural light coming in. I also do research in books (light required) while I'm on the computer. (And I wear light-colored shirts sometimes(!)).
I can ignore the reflections up to a point, but it doesn't take very long before I feel eyestrain. On the other hand, on my iMac G5 20" (nice display), I can work for many hours without feeling any eyestrain at all.
Every study shows that as with a Tv, light where a monitor is being used shouldn't be too much brighter than the screen itself, for, if anything, to prevent your pupils from constantly dilating and closing as you look towards and away. In the old days, the room was dark, because the monitors weren't bright enough. Today, the recommendation is for subdued lighting, with no light hitting the screen. I'm not making this up.
Seriously, You matte people are like a religious cult! You pop up in every thread. This thread is about the quad cores shipping and yet, like so many others you've high-jacked, has degraded to pointless banter about your obvious agenda. Give it a rest! Or at least stay on topic!
The only thing I want to look at behind glass is my aquarium.
The only thing I want to look at behind glass is my aquarium.
You have one?
It's amazing to me how some people just adamantly refuse to believe that, yes, indeed, some people who actually own glossy-screened Macs could possibly not mind them. At all. Or even like them, as I do.
With my MBP, if there's a window near me, I sure as hell don't have my back turned to it. Yes, because there would be glare. But also because there's a freakin' VIEW out the window!
I'm not giving anyone who likes glossy screens any grief. It's not like I'm campaigning to remove glossy in favor of matte.
There is no reason why Apple (and LCD makers) should make both or at least offer some kind of solution in house (like a film application or a attractive snap in piece?) that makes computers useful to those who do have a problem with glare and reflections.
Apple offers both glossy and matte 15/17" Mac Pro's right?
No problem there, but there is a problem with a whopping 27" glossy screen reflecting everything it can (as the larger you get in screen size the more it reflects)
It's a shame that people go into a Apple Store, see this nice 27" reflecting the lights overhead and decide to walk out without Apple or anyone knowing why.
Well I'm telling you why, it's you can't see what's on the screen and that makes using the computer a waste of effort. Especially since people in the store don't know there is a solution because Apple doesn't want to tell them or bother getting involved.
Now what Apple can do is have a sign near each computer for sale stating that a anti-glare film can be applied to computers at purchase and charge a reasonable fee.
Problem solved.
You have one?
Yes I do - a proud owner of Discus. It actually sits adjacent to my iMac work station so I know what glare off a glass looks like.
Woo-hoo. Christmas for me :-) Now let's get some speed benchmarks to see if the i5/7 are worth the price before I shop for myself
Trust me, they will be.