I also ordered my i7, and no shipping yet... I'm wondering if the extended wait could be because of both production processes and higher than expected demand... Judging only from the number of people on this forum I'd say they must have quite the back log.
Wonder how many i5+i7 they'll sell for Xmas... damn
Has anyone actually seen a real shipping date other than 'Ships in November'?
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross
They have an XP compatibility window now. It seems strange that they would even need that, as it's just an older version of the same basic system. Win 7 isn't completely backwards compatible. This is why there is such a major headache upgrading from XP to 7. You need a $50 program from a third party to fix that. Why MS couldn't (or wouldn't) do it is odd, as most people upgrading to 7 will be doing so from XP. I guess MS is trying to force them to buy new hardware.
Windows 7 offers MS VirtualPC and an XP virtual machine as a free download for those that need it. I suspect it will be used more by the corporate world than the home user. Especially for old IE6 applications.
I ordered my i7 iMac within an hour of its release and it is not shipping. If you notice the screenshot of the shipment notice, the iMac that has NOT shipped is an i7.
Hopefully it will be soon...
Just notified that my i7 is on a FedEx flight out of Shanghai on Nov 11th. Expected delivery Nov 16th.
Just notified that my i7 is on a FedEx flight out of Shanghai on Nov 11th. Expected delivery Nov 16th.
congrats! /me jealous
I just talked to apple store because they had trouble processing my credit card for the i7 iMac. While on the phone, I said that they must be trying to ship my iMac right? The nice gentleman said that he saw a date of Nov 21 for my unit. He didn't know if that was a ship date or a delivery date...
I just received my ship notification, so they are at least up to Oct 28th orders give or take.
Wow, that's good news! (I ordered Nov 1)... looks like they're catching up quickly... tho my order status page still says "November".
Thanks for posting your status everyone!
I'm still sort of undecided tho -- I've always just used migration manager to create my new mac - letting it just clone everything. I'm wondering if I shouldn't start fresh this time... My current iMac seems real sluggish at times. But I hate the thought of losing all of my prefs and settings and password history in safari etc. Is there an easier way to transfer stuff to a new clean machine?
I'm adding 4gb memory to the new machine to total 8 (currently I have 4gb).
Wow, that's good news! (I ordered Nov 1)... looks like they're catching up quickly... tho my order status page still says "November".
Thanks for posting your status everyone!
I'm still sort of undecided tho -- I've always just used migration manager to create my new mac - letting it just clone everything. I'm wondering if I shouldn't start fresh this time... My current iMac seems real sluggish at times. But I hate the thought of losing all of my prefs and settings and password history in safari etc. Is there an easier way to transfer stuff to a new clean machine?
I'm adding 4gb memory to the new machine to total 8 (currently I have 4gb).
I always start fresh. I back up my source application files, and my user data only. I install fresh from my source disks/dmg's and then just put back any necessary data (usually involves only the Address Book, and my Bookmarks. I use IMAP for mail so my I don't have to save any local mail as it's all on a net server).
Assuming your passwords are stored in your keychain, this is the file folder you need to backup and restore:
Keychains are located in your ~/Library/Keychains/ folder. To get to this file in the Finder, choose Home from the Go menu. Open the Library folder, then open the Keychains folder.
Tip: Before you back up your keychains, use Keychain First Aid to repair any issues.
To back up: Make copies of your keychain files in a different location by Option-dragging each file to a desired location. Do not remove the originals. You can also use the Finder to create an archive as described in the Safari Bookmarks section, above.
To restore:
In the Finder, from the Go menu, choose Utilities.
Open Keychain Access.
From the Edit menu, choose Keychain List. A dialog appears, listing all keychain files.
Deselect the keychains that you wish to restore, then click OK.
Quit Keychain Access.
Move your keychain back up files back to ~/Library/Keychains/.
Open Keychain Access again.
From the Edit menu, choose Keychain List.
Select the keychains that you wish to use, then click OK.
Windows 7 offers MS VirtualPC and an XP virtual machine as a free download for those that need it. I suspect it will be used more by the corporate world than the home user. Especially for old IE6 applications.
And according to reports, neither works too well.
Other problems with it include the fact that if you have n XP machine from around the time when Vista first came out, it probably won't be able to run hardware virtualization at all, so you need to buy a new machine for this feature to work.
Then, not all editions of Win 7 will run the mode. Only Professional, Ultimate and Enterprise will work. This means that many machines bought by "normal" people won't be able to run this.
Advice in using this, which is only meant for corporate use with network wide virus and malware detection, is to turn off your browser or any other out of local network capabilities because of computer corruption from malware.
It's not designed to be set up by the casual user.
Other problems with it include the fact that if you have n XP machine from around the time when Vista first came out, it probably won't be able to run hardware virtualization at all, so you need to buy a new machine for this feature to work.
Then, not all editions of Win 7 will run the mode. Only Professional, Ultimate and Enterprise will work. This means that many machines bought by "normal" people won't be able to run this.
Advice in using this, which is only meant for corporate use with network wide virus and malware detection, is to turn off your browser or any other out of local network capabilities because of computer corruption from malware.
It's not designed to be set up by the casual user.
Not true at all. Older hardware can run virtualization software, although it may not be optimized to do so if it lacks the Intel VT technology. That doesn't mean they can't run VM software, but rather they take a little performance hit. Most corporate environments used 32 bit XP, meaning they can run it without issue on older processors.
It's also highly unlikely a corporate environment would be running a home edition
Most home users would never need this technology. About the only real 'need' I can see for it would be IE6 implementations, as those were very much tied to the browser version. I can't think of any common home software that doesn't either work with Vista/Windows 7, or hasn't been updated to do so.
Advice in using ANY windows virtual machine is to treat the VM just as you would a real machine. You run virus scan/malware protection in the VM just as you would a real machine.
As to whether or not it runs well, that I can't speak for other than my own experience with it. Typically a VM runs just as a real piece of hardware does (albeit slower).
I have no idea where you got the 'not designed to be set up by the casual user'. I can only guess you've never used it? It's free, you should give it a try if you have W7 Professional or better. It's basic VM software. If you just accept the defaults, your fine. I didn't find it overly complicated.[/quote]
OOPS!
Sorry, somehow I edited your post with my reply instead of posting my own. Just redid it.
Not true at all. Older hardware can run virtualization software, although it may not be optimized to do so if it lacks the Intel VT technology. That doesn't mean they can't run VM software, but rather they take a little performance hit. Most corporate environments used 32 bit XP, meaning they can run it without issue on older processors.
It's also highly unlikely a corporate environment would be running a home edition
Most home users would never need this technology. About the only real 'need' I can see for it would be IE6 implementations, as those were very much tied to the browser version. I can't think of any common home software that doesn't either work with Vista/Windows 7, or hasn't been updated to do so.
Advice in using ANY windows virtual machine is to treat the VM just as you would a real machine. You run virus scan/malware protection in the VM just as you would a real machine.
As to whether or not it runs well, that I can't speak for other than my own experience with it. Typically a VM runs just as a real piece of hardware does (albeit slower).
I have no idea where you got the 'not designed to be set up by the casual user'. I can only guess you've never used it? It's free, you should give it a try if you have W7 Professional or better. It's basic VM software. If you just accept the defaults, your fine. I didn't find it overly complicated.
Sorry, but you're wrong.. The new virtualization software depends on chips that are designed for it. If you have a machine without those newer chips this software just doesn't work properly, which means, not reliably, which means not.
How many people buying their upgrade to 7 are corporate? Most PC's bought the last few years have been bought by consumers. Many of those machines have XP. Many are three, four, or more years old.
MS is again artificially limiting this to the more expensive editions.
Sorry, but you're wrong.. The new virtualization software depends on chips that are designed for it. If you have a machine without those newer chips this software just doesn't work properly, which means, not reliably, which means not.
How many people buying their upgrade to 7 are corporate? Most PC's bought the last few years have been bought by consumers. Many of those machines have XP. Many are three, four, or more years old.
MS is again artificially limiting this to the more expensive editions.
So users with many XP programs that upgrade to 7 won't want, or need any of them?
I take it that you speak for the tens of millions out there?
Now your just being purposely dense. Of course they will need them and chances are they will work just fine without any need for virtualization at all. I've been using Windows 7 for a year and haven't had to use it for any applications.
Did I say I speak for the millions out there? You seem to be.
Now your just being purposely dense. Of course they will need them and chances are they will work just fine without any need for virtualization at all. I've been using Windows 7 for a year and haven't had to use it for any applications.
Did I say I speak for the millions out there? You seem to be.
I'm not the one being dense here. I'm just going by your illogical arguments.
You seem to be giving up everything you've said without giving up you thinking you've "won" the argument. Now you're leaving it to say that no new Win 7 user coming from XP will ever need any of the older programs they have as though that eliminates all the problems that are there.
That's another step back for you, along with all the others you've made here.
I'm not the one being dense here. I'm just going by your illogical arguments.
You seem to be giving up everything you've said without giving up you thinking you've "won" the argument. Now you're leaving it to say that no new Win 7 user coming from XP will ever need any of the older programs they have as though that eliminates all the problems that are there.
That's another step back for you, along with all the others you've made here.
Quote exactly where I said any such thing. Your arguments are vague and unchecked. I never stated a user wouldn't need any software when moving to Windows 7. I said they most likely wouldn't need virtualization software to begin with.
Quote exactly where I said any such thing. Your arguments are vague and unchecked. I never stated a user wouldn't need any software when moving to Windows 7. I said they most likely wouldn't need virtualization software to begin with.
Kindly go back and re-read the thread.
I know exactly what you said. Just check your last post.
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I also ordered my i7, and no shipping yet... I'm wondering if the extended wait could be because of both production processes and higher than expected demand... Judging only from the number of people on this forum I'd say they must have quite the back log.
Wonder how many i5+i7 they'll sell for Xmas... damn
Has anyone actually seen a real shipping date other than 'Ships in November'?
They have an XP compatibility window now. It seems strange that they would even need that, as it's just an older version of the same basic system. Win 7 isn't completely backwards compatible. This is why there is such a major headache upgrading from XP to 7. You need a $50 program from a third party to fix that. Why MS couldn't (or wouldn't) do it is odd, as most people upgrading to 7 will be doing so from XP. I guess MS is trying to force them to buy new hardware.
Windows 7 offers MS VirtualPC and an XP virtual machine as a free download for those that need it. I suspect it will be used more by the corporate world than the home user. Especially for old IE6 applications.
I ordered my i7 iMac within an hour of its release and it is not shipping. If you notice the screenshot of the shipment notice, the iMac that has NOT shipped is an i7.
Hopefully it will be soon...
Just notified that my i7 is on a FedEx flight out of Shanghai on Nov 11th. Expected delivery Nov 16th.
Just notified that my i7 is on a FedEx flight out of Shanghai on Nov 11th. Expected delivery Nov 16th.
congrats! /me jealous
I just talked to apple store because they had trouble processing my credit card for the i7 iMac. While on the phone, I said that they must be trying to ship my iMac right? The nice gentleman said that he saw a date of Nov 21 for my unit. He didn't know if that was a ship date or a delivery date...
I ordered on Nov 1st by the way.
I also received notice that my i7 is due by 11/17. Brilliant!
When did you order? I think everyone is curious about order date VS ship date at this point.
I also received notice that my i7 is due by 11/17. Brilliant!
Awesome - I ordered my i7 on November 8th, still no other information than "Estimated shipping: November" - I hope they clear their backlog fast!
Awesome - I ordered my i7 on November 8th, still no other information than "Estimated shipping: November" - I hope they clear their backlog fast!
Same here
I ordered mine Oct 28th.
Ordered i7 Oct 21 PM, received shipping confirmation 1 hour ago.
FedEx picked it up:
Nov 12, 2009 9:46 AM Left FedEx origin facility SHANGHAI CN
Nov 12, 2009 9:34 AM Picked up SHANGHAI CN
ETA Nov 18.
New to MAC since February 09 - MBP 15" -
Ordered i7 Oct 21 PM, received shipping confirmation 1 hour ago.
FedEx picked it up:
Nov 12, 2009 9:46 AM Left FedEx origin facility SHANGHAI CN
Nov 12, 2009 9:34 AM Picked up SHANGHAI CN
ETA Nov 18.
I just received my ship notification, so they are at least up to Oct 28th orders give or take.
I just received my ship notification, so they are at least up to Oct 28th orders give or take.
Wow, that's good news! (I ordered Nov 1)... looks like they're catching up quickly... tho my order status page still says "November".
Thanks for posting your status everyone!
I'm still sort of undecided tho -- I've always just used migration manager to create my new mac - letting it just clone everything. I'm wondering if I shouldn't start fresh this time... My current iMac seems real sluggish at times. But I hate the thought of losing all of my prefs and settings and password history in safari etc. Is there an easier way to transfer stuff to a new clean machine?
I'm adding 4gb memory to the new machine to total 8 (currently I have 4gb).
Wow, that's good news! (I ordered Nov 1)... looks like they're catching up quickly... tho my order status page still says "November".
Thanks for posting your status everyone!
I'm still sort of undecided tho -- I've always just used migration manager to create my new mac - letting it just clone everything. I'm wondering if I shouldn't start fresh this time... My current iMac seems real sluggish at times. But I hate the thought of losing all of my prefs and settings and password history in safari etc. Is there an easier way to transfer stuff to a new clean machine?
I'm adding 4gb memory to the new machine to total 8 (currently I have 4gb).
I always start fresh. I back up my source application files, and my user data only. I install fresh from my source disks/dmg's and then just put back any necessary data (usually involves only the Address Book, and my Bookmarks. I use IMAP for mail so my I don't have to save any local mail as it's all on a net server).
Assuming your passwords are stored in your keychain, this is the file folder you need to backup and restore:
~/Library/Keychains
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2980#abc
Keychains are located in your ~/Library/Keychains/ folder. To get to this file in the Finder, choose Home from the Go menu. Open the Library folder, then open the Keychains folder.
Tip: Before you back up your keychains, use Keychain First Aid to repair any issues.
To back up: Make copies of your keychain files in a different location by Option-dragging each file to a desired location. Do not remove the originals. You can also use the Finder to create an archive as described in the Safari Bookmarks section, above.
To restore:
In the Finder, from the Go menu, choose Utilities.
Open Keychain Access.
From the Edit menu, choose Keychain List. A dialog appears, listing all keychain files.
Deselect the keychains that you wish to restore, then click OK.
Quit Keychain Access.
Move your keychain back up files back to ~/Library/Keychains/.
Open Keychain Access again.
From the Edit menu, choose Keychain List.
Select the keychains that you wish to use, then click OK.
Windows 7 offers MS VirtualPC and an XP virtual machine as a free download for those that need it. I suspect it will be used more by the corporate world than the home user. Especially for old IE6 applications.
And according to reports, neither works too well.
Other problems with it include the fact that if you have n XP machine from around the time when Vista first came out, it probably won't be able to run hardware virtualization at all, so you need to buy a new machine for this feature to work.
Then, not all editions of Win 7 will run the mode. Only Professional, Ultimate and Enterprise will work. This means that many machines bought by "normal" people won't be able to run this.
Advice in using this, which is only meant for corporate use with network wide virus and malware detection, is to turn off your browser or any other out of local network capabilities because of computer corruption from malware.
It's not designed to be set up by the casual user.
And according to reports, neither works too well.
Other problems with it include the fact that if you have n XP machine from around the time when Vista first came out, it probably won't be able to run hardware virtualization at all, so you need to buy a new machine for this feature to work.
Then, not all editions of Win 7 will run the mode. Only Professional, Ultimate and Enterprise will work. This means that many machines bought by "normal" people won't be able to run this.
Advice in using this, which is only meant for corporate use with network wide virus and malware detection, is to turn off your browser or any other out of local network capabilities because of computer corruption from malware.
It's not designed to be set up by the casual user.
Not true at all. Older hardware can run virtualization software, although it may not be optimized to do so if it lacks the Intel VT technology. That doesn't mean they can't run VM software, but rather they take a little performance hit. Most corporate environments used 32 bit XP, meaning they can run it without issue on older processors.
It's also highly unlikely a corporate environment would be running a home edition
Most home users would never need this technology. About the only real 'need' I can see for it would be IE6 implementations, as those were very much tied to the browser version. I can't think of any common home software that doesn't either work with Vista/Windows 7, or hasn't been updated to do so.
Advice in using ANY windows virtual machine is to treat the VM just as you would a real machine. You run virus scan/malware protection in the VM just as you would a real machine.
As to whether or not it runs well, that I can't speak for other than my own experience with it. Typically a VM runs just as a real piece of hardware does (albeit slower).
I have no idea where you got the 'not designed to be set up by the casual user'. I can only guess you've never used it? It's free, you should give it a try if you have W7 Professional or better. It's basic VM software. If you just accept the defaults, your fine. I didn't find it overly complicated.[/quote]
OOPS!
Sorry, somehow I edited your post with my reply instead of posting my own. Just redid it.
Not true at all. Older hardware can run virtualization software, although it may not be optimized to do so if it lacks the Intel VT technology. That doesn't mean they can't run VM software, but rather they take a little performance hit. Most corporate environments used 32 bit XP, meaning they can run it without issue on older processors.
It's also highly unlikely a corporate environment would be running a home edition
Most home users would never need this technology. About the only real 'need' I can see for it would be IE6 implementations, as those were very much tied to the browser version. I can't think of any common home software that doesn't either work with Vista/Windows 7, or hasn't been updated to do so.
Advice in using ANY windows virtual machine is to treat the VM just as you would a real machine. You run virus scan/malware protection in the VM just as you would a real machine.
As to whether or not it runs well, that I can't speak for other than my own experience with it. Typically a VM runs just as a real piece of hardware does (albeit slower).
I have no idea where you got the 'not designed to be set up by the casual user'. I can only guess you've never used it? It's free, you should give it a try if you have W7 Professional or better. It's basic VM software. If you just accept the defaults, your fine. I didn't find it overly complicated.
Sorry, but you're wrong.. The new virtualization software depends on chips that are designed for it. If you have a machine without those newer chips this software just doesn't work properly, which means, not reliably, which means not.
How many people buying their upgrade to 7 are corporate? Most PC's bought the last few years have been bought by consumers. Many of those machines have XP. Many are three, four, or more years old.
MS is again artificially limiting this to the more expensive editions.
Are you the average user?
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/146829
There are a lot of article about this. This is just one of the first I found. It says about what I said.
Why don't you find one that says the opposite?
Sorry, but you're wrong.. The new virtualization software depends on chips that are designed for it. If you have a machine without those newer chips this software just doesn't work properly, which means, not reliably, which means not.
How many people buying their upgrade to 7 are corporate? Most PC's bought the last few years have been bought by consumers. Many of those machines have XP. Many are three, four, or more years old.
MS is again artificially limiting this to the more expensive editions.
Are you the average user?
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/146829
There are a lot of article about this. This is just one of the first I found. It says about what I said.
Why don't you find one that says the opposite?
Proof that it doesn't work reliably?
As to who will need it, I doubt seriously a typical home user would need or want it.
Proof that it doesn't work reliably?
As to who will need it, I doubt seriously a typical home user would need or want it.
So users with many XP programs that upgrade to 7 won't want, or need any of them?
I take it that you speak for the tens of millions out there?
So users with many XP programs that upgrade to 7 won't want, or need any of them?
I take it that you speak for the tens of millions out there?
Now your just being purposely dense. Of course they will need them and chances are they will work just fine without any need for virtualization at all. I've been using Windows 7 for a year and haven't had to use it for any applications.
Did I say I speak for the millions out there? You seem to be.
Now your just being purposely dense. Of course they will need them and chances are they will work just fine without any need for virtualization at all. I've been using Windows 7 for a year and haven't had to use it for any applications.
Did I say I speak for the millions out there? You seem to be.
I'm not the one being dense here. I'm just going by your illogical arguments.
You seem to be giving up everything you've said without giving up you thinking you've "won" the argument. Now you're leaving it to say that no new Win 7 user coming from XP will ever need any of the older programs they have as though that eliminates all the problems that are there.
That's another step back for you, along with all the others you've made here.
I'm not the one being dense here. I'm just going by your illogical arguments.
You seem to be giving up everything you've said without giving up you thinking you've "won" the argument. Now you're leaving it to say that no new Win 7 user coming from XP will ever need any of the older programs they have as though that eliminates all the problems that are there.
That's another step back for you, along with all the others you've made here.
Quote exactly where I said any such thing. Your arguments are vague and unchecked. I never stated a user wouldn't need any software when moving to Windows 7. I said they most likely wouldn't need virtualization software to begin with.
Kindly go back and re-read the thread.
Quote exactly where I said any such thing. Your arguments are vague and unchecked. I never stated a user wouldn't need any software when moving to Windows 7. I said they most likely wouldn't need virtualization software to begin with.
Kindly go back and re-read the thread.
I know exactly what you said. Just check your last post.