I'm not giving anyone who likes glossy screens any grief. It's not like I'm campaigning to remove glossy in favor of matte.
WHATEVER! The point is you've high-jacked another thread! It is absolutely nauseating to read this same crap everywhere over and over again. I just want to read about people with shipping news here. Find the right thread and stay there if this is all you want to discuss! I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I GET IT!
THIS THREAD IS:
" Apple begins shipping quad-core 27-inch iMac models"
I'm waiting for somebody to try hooking up a PS3 or dedicated Blu-ray player to the video INPUT of one of these. I'm guessing the display will show a 1920*1080 image with big black bars on the top, bottom, and sides. Or perhaps the screen has image scaling built-in and will stretch the image full-screen 2560*1440? Do any Blu-ray drives upscale to 2560*1440 because I'm dam near positive the PS3 doesn't. Am I missing something?
I'd be strongly tempted to get one of these 27" iMacs if I can hook up a PS3 (scaled to 2560*1440) or at least a Blu-ray player (scaled to 2560*1440).
If anyone does it, it will be done with a illegal HDMI chip for the HD resolution. The downgraded SD will work fine of course.
It's because for HDMI an especially HDCP to work, it has to "talk" to a chip in a HDMI compliant device first.
In order to produce a HDMI chip, you need a license. To get a license you need to pay fee's, royalties etc and adhere to rules.
Those rules dictate which devices the HDMI signal can be on and computers that are not HDMI compliant are off the approved list.
Mac's don't have HDMI, thus they can't display the HD content from a HDMI source and they don't have BlueRay either.
"Blueray is just a bag of hurt" says the big Steve, it's most likely the HDCP/HDMI compliance (and their control) that's the bag of hurt.
We could get BlueRay disk reading/burning, but no movies. Kind of half assed since everyone would be expecting their movies to play too.
And the rather large storage capacities of BlueRay puts it clearly in the professional category, a third party option most likely.
Why I say BlueRay isn't coming to Mac's in favor of cheaper and even higher capacity SDXC cards. One day the movie industry will realize they can sell a lot of content to Mac (and PC) owners with SD card slots.
This is where I see things going. Mechanical is going out.
It?s a good thing your waiting. I?ve read more than few comments about the DP in not working with video cards from machines that have DP out. Apple would be remiss to have this feature only with with their machines with DP. I?d wager it?s not their intention, but a technical issue, hopefully resolved with a driver update.
I agree. My MBP and Dell 2407 are both DVI. Monoprice sells a MDP to DVI cable but it's wiser to wait. Sweet machine, though!
WHATEVER! The point is you've high-jacked another thread! It is absolutely nauseating to read this same crap everywhere over and over again. I just want to read about people with shipping news here. Find the right thread and stay there if this is all you want to discuss! I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I GET IT!
THIS THREAD IS:
" Apple begins shipping quad-core 27-inch iMac models"
If anyone does it, it will be done with a illegal HDMI chip for the HD resolution. The downgraded SD will work fine of course.
It's because for HDMI an especially HDCP to work, it has to "talk" to a chip in a HDMI compliant device first.
In order to produce a HDMI chip, you need a license. To get a license you need to pay fee's, royalties etc and adhere to rules.
Those rules dictate which devices the HDMI signal can be on and computers that are not HDMI compliant are off the approved list.
Mac's don't have HDMI, thus they can't display the HD content from a HDMI source and they don't have BlueRay either.
"Blueray is just a bag of hurt" says the big Steve, it's most likely the HDCP/HDMI compliance that's the bag of hurt.
We could get BlueRay disk reading/burning, but no movies. Kind of half assed since everyone would be expecting their movies to play too.
Bummer. Would have been cool to have this as a living room TV/MAC combo type thing. More or less. Razor sharp Blu-ray movies will be in my living room for Xmas one way or another. Though maybe it's for the best I spend the money on a 52" 1080P HDTV.
Bummer. Would have been cool to have this as a living room TV/MAC combo type thing. More or less. Razor sharp Blu-ray movies will be in my living room for Xmas one way or another. Though maybe it's for the best I spend the money on a 52" 1080P HDTV.
That's sounds amazing. Anything less than blu-ray on that is totally unacceptable. And now for $350 you get wireless blu-ray with blu-ray live, internet rentals, youtube ,and flickr.
I too would have sprung if it had blu. I will wait- it's bound to happen. I refuse to be manipulated by the dangling carrot.
WHATEVER! The point is you've high-jacked another thread! It is absolutely nauseating to read this same crap everywhere over and over again. I just want to read about people with shipping news here. Find the right thread and stay there if this is all you want to discuss! I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I GET IT!
THIS THREAD IS:
" Apple begins shipping quad-core 27-inch iMac models"
Come on! Please!
You want us to discuss only what you want to read? I've hijacked nothing, you only perceive that because you want too.
I read the off topic ramblings of others, flame wars, politics, religion and so on and it doesn't bother me, why?
"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself but to your own estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment." - Marcus Aurelius
Bummer. Would have been cool to have this as a living room TV/MAC combo type thing. More or less. Razor sharp Blu-ray movies will be in my living room for Xmas one way or another. Though maybe it's for the best I spend the money on a 52" 1080P HDTV.
SO IF ITS NOT THE "MATTE" CULT its THE BLU-RAY CULT! - THERE IS NOT A SAFE THREAD OUT THERE! YOU GUYS WIN - I'VE GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO!
"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself but to your own estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment." - Marcus Aurelius
So, as Marcus would tell you, just suck it up and deal with the gloss.
Bummer. Would have been cool to have this as a living room TV/MAC combo type thing. More or less. Razor sharp Blu-ray movies will be in my living room for Xmas one way or another. Though maybe it's for the best I spend the money on a 52" 1080P HDTV.
I would go with the new PS3 Slim or whatever it's called. Should get a included BluRay drive with that to watch content. (no burning though)
Plus the PS3 games are pretty good and Netflix is going to be able to stream to PS3's in a few months too. So for about $8 a month you can watch 12,000 or so movies anytime you want.
Apple is pushing it's own iTMS universe, which has it's limitations because Steve is on the board of Disney and their studios, nobody likes a monopoly, even content creators like Sony. (BluRay origin) Although the introduction of SD ports on Mac's does open the door for anyone to use.
Also you might want to wait until the 27" anti-glare films are available from third party sources, the reflections may murder your eyes.
or they may not. 2+ years of 50 hours per week on a glossy 24" iMac, no problems here. People should have a look for themselves before they take too much heed of the matte-brigade's alarmism.
How much time do you spend thinking about these fantasy scenarios? "It might be worthwhile to note..." - the only thing to note is you are speculating from somewhere in your mind. Please don't state things like they are facts when they are your fabrications.
Well I do have experience.
The jury will be in with a verdict when the benchmarks arrive.
or they may not. 2+ years of 50 hours per week on a glossy 24" iMac, no problems here. People should have a look for themselves before they take too much heed of the matte-brigade's alarmism.
I didn't have problems at first with glossy CRT's back it the days neither, the problems showed up later with eyestrain, headaches and vision loss with continued use. (muscle fatigue)
Sort of like listening to loud music over the years, it eventually ruins your hearing.
People should be made aware if they have problems with glossy displays, either physical or just can't find a glare free location. They can get a anti-glare film and that they should find a source ahead of time for a 27" size to fit their new 27" iMac so they suffer the least.
The 27" iMac is a new machine and a new screen size, it might take a bit before third party sources come up with it.
Also each person's glare tolerance and their environment is different from others, be your own judge, But know there is a option and ask Apple to make changes if you have a problem with their displays.
I suggest Apple apply the films and advertise the fact so as to reduce returns and unhappy users.
You're making the mistake of forgetting what the 10.6 upgrade was all about. It WASN'T about making wide ranging feature upgrades to consumers. Those wide ranging feature upgrades were made for developers this time around. The streamlined OS is also a major feature upgrade, but you don't notice it as much.
What major upgrades did MS make for Win 7? I don't see any. Minor upgrades yes, such as what you've mentioned.
You also notice that Apple is charging a pittance for the upgrade, while MS is still charging full price for their too many versions, with overpriced consumer versions. Even their copying Apple with a family pack pricing is much higher than Apple's. And that $29 student pack upgrade doesn't seem to be working.
When 10.7 comes out, no doubt Apple will add all the features and consumer aware upgrades they held back from offering this time, as well as others made possible by what they DID do this time. And even at full price again, it will still cost much less than MS charges.
My brother, who attends SUNY, just upgraded to Win7 for $29 through the school. So by all accounts, the student pricing does seem to be working. And what is so difficult about 3 versions? The installation method is largely irrelevant, IMO. Are people that incapable of figuring out what version suits them best?
Dim the sun with a window covering when you use the computer. I don't see what the problem is with this. No matter how high you set the brightness and contrast on your display, you're going to get a washed out image, more so with a matte screen than with a glossy one. All the high quality graphics monitor manufacturers sell, or include a monitor shield for this purpose, though they do say to use the monitor in a room with subdued light, with no light reflecting onto the screen. This is for matte monitors. It's the same for glossy models.
I spend enough time in Florida to know how much light you get, and how easy it is to subdue it. It's no excuse.
I just don't understand you guys.
I have a different problem, Mel. The backs of my monitors are facing a wall of glass sliding doors, so there is no reflection on my the monitors. However, even with dark vertical blinds, the light is so strong that it is constantly in my eyes. I wear a baseball cap with a visor to shield my eyes somewhat. I just bought a tarp that I'll use to cover the glass doors but haven't put it up yet. I hope that works.
I don't know what kind of shades, drapes, etc. will keep out the sun from the south.
Well, my order was placed less than an hour after the one shown, and my 2.8 GHz i7 has not yet shipped. C'mon guys! I check my email several times a day, and this is no way for someone in his late 50s to act! \
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I'm not giving anyone who likes glossy screens any grief. It's not like I'm campaigning to remove glossy in favor of matte.
WHATEVER! The point is you've high-jacked another thread! It is absolutely nauseating to read this same crap everywhere over and over again. I just want to read about people with shipping news here. Find the right thread and stay there if this is all you want to discuss! I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I GET IT!
THIS THREAD IS:
" Apple begins shipping quad-core 27-inch iMac models"
Come on! Please!
I'm waiting for somebody to try hooking up a PS3 or dedicated Blu-ray player to the video INPUT of one of these. I'm guessing the display will show a 1920*1080 image with big black bars on the top, bottom, and sides. Or perhaps the screen has image scaling built-in and will stretch the image full-screen 2560*1440? Do any Blu-ray drives upscale to 2560*1440 because I'm dam near positive the PS3 doesn't. Am I missing something?
I'd be strongly tempted to get one of these 27" iMacs if I can hook up a PS3 (scaled to 2560*1440) or at least a Blu-ray player (scaled to 2560*1440).
If anyone does it, it will be done with a illegal HDMI chip for the HD resolution. The downgraded SD will work fine of course.
It's because for HDMI an especially HDCP to work, it has to "talk" to a chip in a HDMI compliant device first.
In order to produce a HDMI chip, you need a license. To get a license you need to pay fee's, royalties etc and adhere to rules.
Those rules dictate which devices the HDMI signal can be on and computers that are not HDMI compliant are off the approved list.
Mac's don't have HDMI, thus they can't display the HD content from a HDMI source and they don't have BlueRay either.
"Blueray is just a bag of hurt" says the big Steve, it's most likely the HDCP/HDMI compliance (and their control) that's the bag of hurt.
We could get BlueRay disk reading/burning, but no movies. Kind of half assed since everyone would be expecting their movies to play too.
And the rather large storage capacities of BlueRay puts it clearly in the professional category, a third party option most likely.
Why I say BlueRay isn't coming to Mac's in favor of cheaper and even higher capacity SDXC cards. One day the movie industry will realize they can sell a lot of content to Mac (and PC) owners with SD card slots.
This is where I see things going. Mechanical is going out.
It?s a good thing your waiting. I?ve read more than few comments about the DP in not working with video cards from machines that have DP out. Apple would be remiss to have this feature only with with their machines with DP. I?d wager it?s not their intention, but a technical issue, hopefully resolved with a driver update.
I agree. My MBP and Dell 2407 are both DVI. Monoprice sells a MDP to DVI cable but it's wiser to wait. Sweet machine, though!
WHATEVER! The point is you've high-jacked another thread! It is absolutely nauseating to read this same crap everywhere over and over again. I just want to read about people with shipping news here. Find the right thread and stay there if this is all you want to discuss! I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I GET IT!
THIS THREAD IS:
" Apple begins shipping quad-core 27-inch iMac models"
Come on! Please!
But they are glossy only.
If anyone does it, it will be done with a illegal HDMI chip for the HD resolution. The downgraded SD will work fine of course.
It's because for HDMI an especially HDCP to work, it has to "talk" to a chip in a HDMI compliant device first.
In order to produce a HDMI chip, you need a license. To get a license you need to pay fee's, royalties etc and adhere to rules.
Those rules dictate which devices the HDMI signal can be on and computers that are not HDMI compliant are off the approved list.
Mac's don't have HDMI, thus they can't display the HD content from a HDMI source and they don't have BlueRay either.
"Blueray is just a bag of hurt" says the big Steve, it's most likely the HDCP/HDMI compliance that's the bag of hurt.
We could get BlueRay disk reading/burning, but no movies. Kind of half assed since everyone would be expecting their movies to play too.
Bummer. Would have been cool to have this as a living room TV/MAC combo type thing. More or less. Razor sharp Blu-ray movies will be in my living room for Xmas one way or another. Though maybe it's for the best I spend the money on a 52" 1080P HDTV.
Bummer. Would have been cool to have this as a living room TV/MAC combo type thing. More or less. Razor sharp Blu-ray movies will be in my living room for Xmas one way or another. Though maybe it's for the best I spend the money on a 52" 1080P HDTV.
That's sounds amazing. Anything less than blu-ray on that is totally unacceptable. And now for $350 you get wireless blu-ray with blu-ray live, internet rentals, youtube ,and flickr.
I too would have sprung if it had blu. I will wait- it's bound to happen. I refuse to be manipulated by the dangling carrot.
WHATEVER! The point is you've high-jacked another thread! It is absolutely nauseating to read this same crap everywhere over and over again. I just want to read about people with shipping news here. Find the right thread and stay there if this is all you want to discuss! I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I GET IT!
THIS THREAD IS:
" Apple begins shipping quad-core 27-inch iMac models"
Come on! Please!
You want us to discuss only what you want to read? I've hijacked nothing, you only perceive that because you want too.
I read the off topic ramblings of others, flame wars, politics, religion and so on and it doesn't bother me, why?
"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself but to your own estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment." - Marcus Aurelius
Bummer. Would have been cool to have this as a living room TV/MAC combo type thing. More or less. Razor sharp Blu-ray movies will be in my living room for Xmas one way or another. Though maybe it's for the best I spend the money on a 52" 1080P HDTV.
SO IF ITS NOT THE "MATTE" CULT its THE BLU-RAY CULT! - THERE IS NOT A SAFE THREAD OUT THERE! YOU GUYS WIN - I'VE GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO!
ADIOS!
"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself but to your own estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment." - Marcus Aurelius
So, as Marcus would tell you, just suck it up and deal with the gloss.
So, as Marcus would tell you, just suck it up and deal with the gloss.
LMFASSOFF
Walked into that one did I.
SO IF ITS NOT THE "MATTE" CULT its THE BLU-RAY CULT! - THERE IS NOT A SAFE THREAD OUT THERE! YOU GUYS WIN - I'VE GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO!
ADIOS!
Yes, you have issues. Perhaps a anger management course is in order.
Some nice meditation, chi tea, a enema?
LMFASSOFF
Walked into that one did I.
I mean what does that guy want us to talk about -how fast UPS can make the shipments? Will Santa's sleigh get there on time?
Bummer. Would have been cool to have this as a living room TV/MAC combo type thing. More or less. Razor sharp Blu-ray movies will be in my living room for Xmas one way or another. Though maybe it's for the best I spend the money on a 52" 1080P HDTV.
I would go with the new PS3 Slim or whatever it's called. Should get a included BluRay drive with that to watch content. (no burning though)
Plus the PS3 games are pretty good and Netflix is going to be able to stream to PS3's in a few months too. So for about $8 a month you can watch 12,000 or so movies anytime you want.
Apple is pushing it's own iTMS universe, which has it's limitations because Steve is on the board of Disney and their studios, nobody likes a monopoly, even content creators like Sony. (BluRay origin) Although the introduction of SD ports on Mac's does open the door for anyone to use.
I mean what does that guy want us to talk about -how fast UPS can make the shipments? Will Santa's sleigh get there on time?
Guess he hijacked the thread now huh?
Also you might want to wait until the 27" anti-glare films are available from third party sources, the reflections may murder your eyes.
or they may not. 2+ years of 50 hours per week on a glossy 24" iMac, no problems here. People should have a look for themselves before they take too much heed of the matte-brigade's alarmism.
How much time do you spend thinking about these fantasy scenarios? "It might be worthwhile to note..." - the only thing to note is you are speculating from somewhere in your mind. Please don't state things like they are facts when they are your fabrications.
Well I do have experience.
The jury will be in with a verdict when the benchmarks arrive.
Then you'll see I was right.
or they may not. 2+ years of 50 hours per week on a glossy 24" iMac, no problems here. People should have a look for themselves before they take too much heed of the matte-brigade's alarmism.
I didn't have problems at first with glossy CRT's back it the days neither, the problems showed up later with eyestrain, headaches and vision loss with continued use. (muscle fatigue)
Sort of like listening to loud music over the years, it eventually ruins your hearing.
People should be made aware if they have problems with glossy displays, either physical or just can't find a glare free location. They can get a anti-glare film and that they should find a source ahead of time for a 27" size to fit their new 27" iMac so they suffer the least.
The 27" iMac is a new machine and a new screen size, it might take a bit before third party sources come up with it.
Also each person's glare tolerance and their environment is different from others, be your own judge, But know there is a option and ask Apple to make changes if you have a problem with their displays.
I suggest Apple apply the films and advertise the fact so as to reduce returns and unhappy users.
You're making the mistake of forgetting what the 10.6 upgrade was all about. It WASN'T about making wide ranging feature upgrades to consumers. Those wide ranging feature upgrades were made for developers this time around. The streamlined OS is also a major feature upgrade, but you don't notice it as much.
What major upgrades did MS make for Win 7? I don't see any. Minor upgrades yes, such as what you've mentioned.
You also notice that Apple is charging a pittance for the upgrade, while MS is still charging full price for their too many versions, with overpriced consumer versions. Even their copying Apple with a family pack pricing is much higher than Apple's. And that $29 student pack upgrade doesn't seem to be working.
When 10.7 comes out, no doubt Apple will add all the features and consumer aware upgrades they held back from offering this time, as well as others made possible by what they DID do this time. And even at full price again, it will still cost much less than MS charges.
My brother, who attends SUNY, just upgraded to Win7 for $29 through the school. So by all accounts, the student pricing does seem to be working. And what is so difficult about 3 versions? The installation method is largely irrelevant, IMO. Are people that incapable of figuring out what version suits them best?
Dim the sun with a window covering when you use the computer. I don't see what the problem is with this. No matter how high you set the brightness and contrast on your display, you're going to get a washed out image, more so with a matte screen than with a glossy one. All the high quality graphics monitor manufacturers sell, or include a monitor shield for this purpose, though they do say to use the monitor in a room with subdued light, with no light reflecting onto the screen. This is for matte monitors. It's the same for glossy models.
I spend enough time in Florida to know how much light you get, and how easy it is to subdue it. It's no excuse.
I just don't understand you guys.
I have a different problem, Mel. The backs of my monitors are facing a wall of glass sliding doors, so there is no reflection on my the monitors. However, even with dark vertical blinds, the light is so strong that it is constantly in my eyes. I wear a baseball cap with a visor to shield my eyes somewhat. I just bought a tarp that I'll use to cover the glass doors but haven't put it up yet. I hope that works.
I don't know what kind of shades, drapes, etc. will keep out the sun from the south.