They have a solid following, they already are in with the parent company and they are GSM-based. I know people who have spent a premium on iPhones on T-Mobile just to run it on EDGE. it’s not about what I want but what I think the mostly liekly carrier is based on the easiest path.
They have a relatively small following. 30 some odd million. That's why they are so much smaller than even Sprint. And they aren't gaining significant subscribers, despite the desperate reduction in pricing.
And they use that odd 1700 frequency band that no one else uses.
They have a relatively small following. 30 some odd million. That's why they are so much smaller than even Sprint. And they aren't gaining significant subscribers, despite the desperate reduction in pricing.
Which is why they?d jump at a chance to have the iPhone.
Look at the 3G coverage. It's those teeny bits that are dark magenta. Can you see them?
Even EDGE is very sparse.
Not iPhone user yet - had to buy the daughter one first - but the T-Mobile, at least in KC, is where some of the Jailbroken iPhones live. So I am not sure where the concern is about a "T-Mobile USA" iPhone. There is one now if you want to use that network. Not surprisingly a few of the JB iPhones in KC have returned to the at&t mothership due to T-Mobile's interesting level of service in this area.
Verizon I think is a dead issue. I suspect if they did barter their way to an iPhone rollout, the upshot would be their network would end up sucking like much of at&t's due to the load.
I just don't buy it. Verizon's going LTE in 2011, so if it was going to take that long, there'd be no need for the chip.
Verizon got all that red in their map from buying out Alltel and their EVDO A towers. It going to take a long time and a lot of money before those are all converted to LTE. 2011 is just the start, expect their EVDO A network to be online for the next five years.
Its not hard to imagine turning the tables on the Verizon "map" ads in a few years time to point out all the coverage areas where Verizon is still only on 3G (and slower 3G without simultaneous voice and data connections).
I don't know the chipset they are using but it's obviously far beyond testing mode.
The chip in the Storm/Tour can work in the iPhone in the same space as the current 3G chips and without any additional power drain? I think we need to consider some other physical differences in the chips. The iPhone and Storm/Tour are note exactly the same level of device. That is without even considering what Qualcomm charges for the use of the CDMA/CDMA2000 radios. i?ve read that beside basic costs they also want 5.5% of the gross revenue from each device.
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I just don't buy it. Verizon's going LTE in 2011, so if it was going to take that long, there'd be no need for the chip.
Look at when WCDMA came to AT&T?s GSM network or when WiMAX came to Sprint. These technologies aren?t simply switched on by the flip of a switch. It?ll be many years before Verizon has LTE up to the current EVDO coverage area.
It's not that CDMA wasn't good enough, it was that Apple and Verizon couldn't reach a business agreement at the time.
Well that is Verizon's story. I don't know that Apple has ever acknowledged that point of view. You would think that if Apple had even been considering a CDMA iPhone, they would have worked with a chip vendor that makes both CDMA and GSM chips, but they didn't.
Although Qualcom(?) has come up with a dual mode chip, Apple would also demand not just dual mode, but top of class processing power, and very low power usage. Not easy criteria for any manufacturer to meet with a first generation chip.
Exactly. Verizon likes a closed system (their PR department not withstanding). But I think they'd play by Apple's rules if they could chip away at AT&T's recent gains.
There are open development phones available on Verizon's network --- like the Jitterbug phone for seniors.
...can't T-Mobile use the current iPhone? If so, I think Apple will go with them next....just to get the government off their back.
Yes and no. Both have GSM and UMTS networks. If you want to use a jailbroken iPhone on T-Mobile USA for voice, GPRS or EDGE as data, you are fine, but you can?t use 3G because T-Mobile USA didn?t get the frequency that most of the world uses for the UMTS spectrum. They use the wonky Band IV which is 1700Mhz. That would mean an additional radio would have to be added.
Verizon got all that red in their map from buying out Alltel and their EVDO A towers. It going to take a long time and a lot of money before those are all converted to LTE. 2011 is just the start, expect their EVDO A network to be online for the next five years.
Its not hard to imagine turning the tables on the Verizon "map" ads in a few years time to point out all the coverage areas where Verizon is still only on 3G (and slower 3G without simultaneous voice and data connections).
No, it's actually very hard to imagine.
It is a comparative exercise --- it is a game of which carrier sucks the least. If you look at it that way, then no matter how much Verizon's network gets degraded with Android phones or the next generation of iphone --- as long as they suck less than AT&T, Verizon will continue to be the king of the carrier networks.
I seriously doubt there will be a verizon only iPhone. CDMA is a dead technology.
Why would Apple care?
Verizon is the one that spends billions of dollars on their supposedly dead-end national network. It's costing Apple $20-30 on a dead-end network chip per phone.
It is a comparative exercise --- it is a game of which carrier sucks the least. If you look at it that way, then no matter how much Verizon's network gets degraded with Android phones or the next generation of iphone --- as long as they suck less than AT&T, Verizon will continue to be the king of the carrier networks.
I'm not sure everyone agrees with that. I think that all Carriers will go to 4G about the same time....and all 4G phones will be out at the same time as well.
At least AT&T has an upgrade path until 4G is fully rolled out (3.2Mb, then 7.2Mb, then 14Mb). Verizon is stuck around 1.4Mb, right?
I don't know the chipset they are using but it's obviously far beyond testing mode.
Those phones are using older chips. In more than a few cases, two chips. I doubt Apple would want to do that. The drain on the battery would be greater than now.
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They have a solid following, they already are in with the parent company and they are GSM-based. I know people who have spent a premium on iPhones on T-Mobile just to run it on EDGE. it’s not about what I want but what I think the mostly liekly carrier is based on the easiest path.
They have a relatively small following. 30 some odd million. That's why they are so much smaller than even Sprint. And they aren't gaining significant subscribers, despite the desperate reduction in pricing.
And they use that odd 1700 frequency band that no one else uses.
They have a relatively small following. 30 some odd million. That's why they are so much smaller than even Sprint. And they aren't gaining significant subscribers, despite the desperate reduction in pricing.
Which is why they?d jump at a chance to have the iPhone.
T-Mobile is the WORST network. After all the griping about AT&T and their 3G from so many, you would want to go to T-Mobile?
http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx?MapType=Data
Look at the 3G coverage. It's those teeny bits that are dark magenta. Can you see them?
Even EDGE is very sparse.
Not iPhone user yet - had to buy the daughter one first - but the T-Mobile, at least in KC, is where some of the Jailbroken iPhones live. So I am not sure where the concern is about a "T-Mobile USA" iPhone. There is one now if you want to use that network. Not surprisingly a few of the JB iPhones in KC have returned to the at&t mothership due to T-Mobile's interesting level of service in this area.
Verizon I think is a dead issue. I suspect if they did barter their way to an iPhone rollout, the upshot would be their network would end up sucking like much of at&t's due to the load.
It's brand new, and is just now coming out. Apple would have needed it a good 6 months ago for a June 2010 release.
From the VerizonWireless website on Storm2 network support (same for the Tour):
Network Support: Dual?band 800/1900 MHz CDMA/EV?DO Rev. A networks; Quad?Band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE networks Single?Band: 2100 MHz UMTS/HSPA networks
I don't know the chipset they are using but it's obviously far beyond testing mode.
Unless you think Apple's going to reengineer the iPhone just to run on Sprint.
Speaking of Sprint and Qualcomm, sell your stock now. They're going to take a major revenue hit once Verizon stops using CDMA.
I just don't buy it. Verizon's going LTE in 2011, so if it was going to take that long, there'd be no need for the chip.
Verizon got all that red in their map from buying out Alltel and their EVDO A towers. It going to take a long time and a lot of money before those are all converted to LTE. 2011 is just the start, expect their EVDO A network to be online for the next five years.
Its not hard to imagine turning the tables on the Verizon "map" ads in a few years time to point out all the coverage areas where Verizon is still only on 3G (and slower 3G without simultaneous voice and data connections).
From the VerizonWireless website on Storm2 network support (same for the Tour):
Network Support: Dual?band 800/1900 MHz CDMA/EV?DO Rev. A networks; Quad?Band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE networks Single?Band: 2100 MHz UMTS/HSPA networks
I don't know the chipset they are using but it's obviously far beyond testing mode.
The chip in the Storm/Tour can work in the iPhone in the same space as the current 3G chips and without any additional power drain? I think we need to consider some other physical differences in the chips. The iPhone and Storm/Tour are note exactly the same level of device. That is without even considering what Qualcomm charges for the use of the CDMA/CDMA2000 radios. i?ve read that beside basic costs they also want 5.5% of the gross revenue from each device.
I just don't buy it. Verizon's going LTE in 2011, so if it was going to take that long, there'd be no need for the chip.
Look at when WCDMA came to AT&T?s GSM network or when WiMAX came to Sprint. These technologies aren?t simply switched on by the flip of a switch. It?ll be many years before Verizon has LTE up to the current EVDO coverage area.
"Trying to do a world phone in that time frame would be impossible," he said.
<Ancient Saturday Morning Looney Tunes Cartoon Speak>He don't know Steve Jobs very well, do he?</Ancient Saturday Morning Looney Tunes Cartoon Speak>
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That's All Folks!
If Verizon got the iPhone you think they would ramp the anti iPhone Ads up even further?
I think he means anti AT&T not anti Apple and yes they would lol. As in ' iPhone is better on our network'. Not that I am saying they will get it ...
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That's All Folks!
As in 'And now one more thing ... err I mean miracle ..."
It's not that CDMA wasn't good enough, it was that Apple and Verizon couldn't reach a business agreement at the time.
Well that is Verizon's story. I don't know that Apple has ever acknowledged that point of view. You would think that if Apple had even been considering a CDMA iPhone, they would have worked with a chip vendor that makes both CDMA and GSM chips, but they didn't.
Although Qualcom(?) has come up with a dual mode chip, Apple would also demand not just dual mode, but top of class processing power, and very low power usage. Not easy criteria for any manufacturer to meet with a first generation chip.
Exactly. Verizon likes a closed system (their PR department not withstanding). But I think they'd play by Apple's rules if they could chip away at AT&T's recent gains.
There are open development phones available on Verizon's network --- like the Jitterbug phone for seniors.
http://news.vzw.com/news/2009/08/pr2009-08-26d.html
...can't T-Mobile use the current iPhone? If so, I think Apple will go with them next....just to get the government off their back.
Yes and no. Both have GSM and UMTS networks. If you want to use a jailbroken iPhone on T-Mobile USA for voice, GPRS or EDGE as data, you are fine, but you can?t use 3G because T-Mobile USA didn?t get the frequency that most of the world uses for the UMTS spectrum. They use the wonky Band IV which is 1700Mhz. That would mean an additional radio would have to be added.
Verizon got all that red in their map from buying out Alltel and their EVDO A towers. It going to take a long time and a lot of money before those are all converted to LTE. 2011 is just the start, expect their EVDO A network to be online for the next five years.
Its not hard to imagine turning the tables on the Verizon "map" ads in a few years time to point out all the coverage areas where Verizon is still only on 3G (and slower 3G without simultaneous voice and data connections).
No, it's actually very hard to imagine.
It is a comparative exercise --- it is a game of which carrier sucks the least. If you look at it that way, then no matter how much Verizon's network gets degraded with Android phones or the next generation of iphone --- as long as they suck less than AT&T, Verizon will continue to be the king of the carrier networks.
I seriously doubt there will be a verizon only iPhone. CDMA is a dead technology.
Why would Apple care?
Verizon is the one that spends billions of dollars on their supposedly dead-end national network. It's costing Apple $20-30 on a dead-end network chip per phone.
Which is why they?d jump at a chance to have the iPhone.
And then the complaints about lack of coverage would be terrible, and again, Apple would get sideswiped by the problems that aren't their fault.
No, it's actually very hard to imagine.
It is a comparative exercise --- it is a game of which carrier sucks the least. If you look at it that way, then no matter how much Verizon's network gets degraded with Android phones or the next generation of iphone --- as long as they suck less than AT&T, Verizon will continue to be the king of the carrier networks.
I'm not sure everyone agrees with that. I think that all Carriers will go to 4G about the same time....and all 4G phones will be out at the same time as well.
At least AT&T has an upgrade path until 4G is fully rolled out (3.2Mb, then 7.2Mb, then 14Mb). Verizon is stuck around 1.4Mb, right?
From the VerizonWireless website on Storm2 network support (same for the Tour):
Network Support: Dual?band 800/1900 MHz CDMA/EV?DO Rev. A networks; Quad?Band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE networks Single?Band: 2100 MHz UMTS/HSPA networks
I don't know the chipset they are using but it's obviously far beyond testing mode.
Those phones are using older chips. In more than a few cases, two chips. I doubt Apple would want to do that. The drain on the battery would be greater than now.
...can't T-Mobile use the current iPhone? If so, I think Apple will go with them next....just to get the government off their back.
Different frequency. Phone have to be made specially for them.