If they make the card removable, like the first AirPort Cards, they may be able to have a GSM/3GSM card and a CDMA/CDMA2000 card for different networks.
If they want to sell it world wide then they are better off using built-in GSM/3GSM card with SIM card slot. I prefer Apple to sell it independtly and not tie it to a carrier but if AT&T or T-Mobile want to offer it at a discount price then that's fine as long as it is not the only way to get it.
I would prefer tethering it my iPhone when tethering comes
We must remember that "shockingly inexpensive" from a person who drives an Audi is not the same as what us common folk think of.
Besides, most people who visit this site long enough can figure out what Apple is going to roughly price this "tablet" at in order to sell while keeping it's comfortable margins. There's no rush to release it to everyone at once. The allure of some people having it and not others is why the Wii was out of stock for 2.5 years and has sold millions.
If they want to sell it world wide then they are better off using built-in GSM/3GSM card with SIM card slot. I prefer Apple to sell it independtly and not tie it to a carrier but if AT&T or T-Mobile want to offer it at a discount price then that's fine as long as it is not the only way to get it.
I would prefer tethering it my iPhone when tethering comes
Would you prefer a $5 discount like Apple gives and you seem perfectly fine with - both you and sollipism?
no offense if the "shockingly inexpensive" tablet is tied to cellular service... IT IS AN AUTOMATIC PASS for me.
Sorry, I already pay enough for an iphone to be stuck with another monthly fee. if you add up how expensive these iphones are over the course of a two year deal, just for starters... its ALOT.
so... i ain't a fan of these fake "inexpensive" items. everyone knows your $199 iphone 3gs aint cheap in the long run.
When it comes to OS I think the most important thing to look at is what kind of binaries will it run - iPhone or Mac? Honestly I think it will take a lot more work to scale up the OS and apps from the iphone to a tablet then it will be to scale down OS X and mac apps.
If you think about it Snow Leopard was probably the first step in slimming down OS X to run on a tablet. Better power management, smaller footprint etc. I would expect a specialized version of Snow Leopard to run on the tablet, maybe add two installers to the DVD, one slimmed down version for tablet, optimized for touch input and one standard version for macs.
Add a 3G chip and roll out the "Mac App Store" and you there is your tablet.
Apple better sell these through Verizon or they'll bring down the ATT network. It's already straining under the load of the iPhone. A exclusive contract with Verizon and make another ton of money.
I can't think of anything that the iPhone OS can't do that would be necessary to do on a tablet. It already multi-tasks, already has ink etc.
It doesn?t have a keyboard designed for two hands.
It doesn?t have a UI for a 10? display.
It doesn?t have a Finder-like app.
It doesn?t have the ability to use multiple apps at once on the same screen like on a Mac.
It doesn?t have a virtual way to switch through apps like the Dock on a Mac.
It doesn?t have any USB ports for peripherals like physical keyboards, mice or optical drives.
(okay, it might not get this last one)
The biggest thing is having a UI that is designed for 10? display. That is not the same as expanding the iPhone display from 3.5? to 10?, but a display designed specifically for a finger-based multitouch 10? tablet. Look at WinMo or any netbook to see how trying to use a desktop OS layout on a smaller device fails. UIs have to be designed for you I/O. IMO, this is one of the key reasons why the iPhone platform is so successful.
I would argue that it doesn't need most of this stuff.
iPhones have keyboards designed for two hands, but I'm guessing you mean a "regular" keyboard layout as opposed to thumb-typing. This is a bad idea though as to use such a keyboard, you'd have to lay the tablet down on a surface which immediately reduces it's usability. One of the issues with current tablet models is that you can't use them standing up very well. Thumb typing on a larger sized version of the iPhone portrait keyboard is arguably a better solution than finding a table to lie the tablet down on and hope it doesn't skitter around while you try to type on a virtual keyboard. That would actually be a less accurate and more uncomfortable way to type in my estimation.
I would further argue that the current UI is scaleable. Instead of 16 apps a screen it might conceivably have 64, with 8 icons across the bottom.
The rest of your points assume that apps would be running in windows that need to be managed, but with the fast switching we already have on the iPhone, and the limited screen real estate this makes no sense to me. I would expect all apps to be full screen and to work better that way. Multitasking could be easily achieved the way it currently is on the iPhone OS by closing one app and opening another, just that they would in fact be running in the background rather than actually closing. A small tablet like this requires your focussed attention, working on one app at a time full screen is probably the best choice overall. In any case, with the extra "rows" afforded by the larger screen, it would be easy to have some kind of enhanced dock or notification area for fast task switching between open apps and none of that is really beyond the current OS's capabilities which was my point.
As for a "Finder" I don't see that it's necessary when you are talking about apps running full screen. The apps all necessarily install in the same place, and the UI allows access to them directly just as on the iPhone.
The only thing necessary is a file space for your documents and downloads and the easiest most straightforward solution to that is to use one of those extra icons on the dock for either both of these in a stack or two stacks respectively as on the Desktop version. Stacks are a perfect, finger-freindly alternative to the finder and I'd be surprised if they were not developed on the desktop Mac at least partly for that purpose.
Right- and that's why Apple Computer Inc changed their name to Apple Inc.
They were so failing two years ago.
Again, your know-it-all logic fails.
The majority of the public simply know the company as "Apple", both before and after the change. There was never a risk of brand confusion in that case. Solipism is right here. Changing the name from iTunes at this point would not be a good plan.
You fail all the time and never admit it. Who refers to their videos bought on iTunes as "tunes". Or books, or podcasts or etc. Only a fool would do that.
Well this is common. "eBook" "MP3 Player" "Movie" (they haven't been "moving" since VHS!)
Just because iTunes doesn't adequately describe all that it can be used for does not make it a fail - of Homeric or any other proportion.
Should an iPhone be rebranded "iPortabletelecommunicationsandgamingGPSmapandmore "?
The majority of the public simply know the company as "Apple", both before and after the change. There was never a risk of brand confusion in that case. Solipism is right here. Changing the name from iTunes at this point would not be a good plan.
Thompson
Well the names is actually iTunes Store - iTunes is the Application.
no offense if the "shockingly inexpensive" tablet is tied to cellular service... IT IS AN AUTOMATIC PASS for me.
Sorry, I already pay enough for an iphone to be stuck with another monthly fee. if you add up how expensive these iphones are over the course of a two year deal, just for starters... its ALOT.
so... i ain't a fan of these fake "inexpensive" items. everyone knows your $199 iphone 3gs aint cheap in the long run.
Yup... its subscription costs that are the killer and a lot of things.
Frankly, I can kinda justify the extra data costs for my iPhone... I've gotten to like the anytime/anywhere thing with it.
But for a tablet, I'll be fine with wifi and pray that it doesn't require wireless.
Well this is common. "eBook" "MP3 Player" "Movie" (they haven't been "moving" since VHS!)
And we shoudls rename movies to talkies because that lets us know they have sound as opposed to when movies were silent. And we can?t refer to digital movies in theaters as films because it?s technically not accurate to the original meaning of the word.
It?s quite amazing how quickly language evolves, especially English, and yet some people have a problem with a marketing term.
Earlier this week there was this sham of a piece from the NYTimes on CamelCase.
PS: I?d call TeckStud a nimrod but he might think I?m calling him the great-grandson of Noah, reputed for his skill as a hunter. (The etymology for this definition alteration is pretty cool. Has to do with a Loony Toons cartoon with Bugs Bunny & Elmer Fudd
HELLO, PEOPLE - is this for real??!! Who is this alex albrecht clown? a lowly podcast / internet TV show "actor"?? Who the hell thinks he knows ANYTHING about apple's tablet plans? Are you joking? PUBLICITY STUNT - plain and simple. It got posted on AI, and i'm sure his crap internet show will get a few more hits thanks to that.
And we shoudls rename movies to talkies because that lets us know they have sound as opposed to when movies were silent. And we can?t refer to digital movies in theaters as films because it?s technically not accurate to the original meaning of the word.
It?s quite amazing how quickly language evolves, especially English, and yet some people have a problem with a marketing term.
Earlier this week there was this sham of a piece from the NYTimes on CamelCase.
PS: I?d call TeckStud a nimrod but he might think I?m calling him the great-grandson of Noah, reputed for his skill as a hunter. (The etymology for this definition alteration is pretty cool. Has to do with a Loony Toons cartoon with Bugs Bunny & Elmer Fudd
Oh you're so funny and knowledgable, I forgot to use my Fart app.
Well the names is actually iTunes Store - iTunes is the Application.
It's a store. That you access through iTunes.
I wonder what we should name it?
hmmmm. How about the iTunes Store? Tells you everything you need to know.
iStore could be a store for anything. Incidentally, www.istore.com is an 'information store' whose motto is 'powering the digital oilfield.' They cater to big oil companies.
Is it possible for you to admit when you're wrong?
I don't understand the situation. I post what I want the tablet to be on various internet forums and Apple still refuses to produce what I want, when I want it and for the price I want to pay.......
Well the names is actually iTunes Store - iTunes is the Application.
That is of course technically correct, although it does not in any way change the nature of my point, which is that the "iTunes" name has become engrained in our vocabulary. All but the most technologically ignorant (e.g. technophobes) or those prone to becoming desperately pedantic when losing an argument (e.g. you) realize and don't care that iTunes (both application and store) delivers far more than just music.
Just like the general consumer is largely unaware of whether the words "Computer" or "Inc" officially follow the word "Apple", they likewise just say "iTunes" and let the context of their sentence dictate whether they are referring to the application or the store. For example, when referring to where they purchased their digital songs or movies, they often just say "I purchased them from itunes". As a matter of fact, go ahead and start typing "purchase songs" or "purchase movies from" in a Google search window and check out what completions are offered. That's right: the ones mentioning "iTunes" do not also say "Store". It's the "iTunes" moniker that seems to matter.
Face it: the brand "iTunes" has grown in scope and meaning to be much broader than the original purpose, which was of course "tunes". Over a hundred million people are comfortable with this situation, so it would not behoove Apple in any way to mess with it. Indeed, it could only be a source of added confusion at this point.
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If they make the card removable, like the first AirPort Cards, they may be able to have a GSM/3GSM card and a CDMA/CDMA2000 card for different networks.
If they want to sell it world wide then they are better off using built-in GSM/3GSM card with SIM card slot. I prefer Apple to sell it independtly and not tie it to a carrier but if AT&T or T-Mobile want to offer it at a discount price then that's fine as long as it is not the only way to get it.
I would prefer tethering it my iPhone when tethering comes
Besides, most people who visit this site long enough can figure out what Apple is going to roughly price this "tablet" at in order to sell while keeping it's comfortable margins. There's no rush to release it to everyone at once. The allure of some people having it and not others is why the Wii was out of stock for 2.5 years and has sold millions.
If they want to sell it world wide then they are better off using built-in GSM/3GSM card with SIM card slot. I prefer Apple to sell it independtly and not tie it to a carrier but if AT&T or T-Mobile want to offer it at a discount price then that's fine as long as it is not the only way to get it.
I would prefer tethering it my iPhone when tethering comes
Would you prefer a $5 discount like Apple gives and you seem perfectly fine with - both you and sollipism?
Sorry, I already pay enough for an iphone to be stuck with another monthly fee. if you add up how expensive these iphones are over the course of a two year deal, just for starters... its ALOT.
so... i ain't a fan of these fake "inexpensive" items. everyone knows your $199 iphone 3gs aint cheap in the long run.
If you think about it Snow Leopard was probably the first step in slimming down OS X to run on a tablet. Better power management, smaller footprint etc. I would expect a specialized version of Snow Leopard to run on the tablet, maybe add two installers to the DVD, one slimmed down version for tablet, optimized for touch input and one standard version for macs.
Add a 3G chip and roll out the "Mac App Store" and you there is your tablet.
Gazoobee
I can't think of anything that the iPhone OS can't do that would be necessary to do on a tablet. It already multi-tasks, already has ink etc.
- It doesn?t have a keyboard designed for two hands.
- It doesn?t have a UI for a 10? display.
- It doesn?t have a Finder-like app.
- It doesn?t have the ability to use multiple apps at once on the same screen like on a Mac.
- It doesn?t have a virtual way to switch through apps like the Dock on a Mac.
- It doesn?t have any USB ports for peripherals like physical keyboards, mice or optical drives.
(okay, it might not get this last one)The biggest thing is having a UI that is designed for 10? display. That is not the same as expanding the iPhone display from 3.5? to 10?, but a display designed specifically for a finger-based multitouch 10? tablet. Look at WinMo or any netbook to see how trying to use a desktop OS layout on a smaller device fails. UIs have to be designed for you I/O. IMO, this is one of the key reasons why the iPhone platform is so successful.
I would argue that it doesn't need most of this stuff.
iPhones have keyboards designed for two hands, but I'm guessing you mean a "regular" keyboard layout as opposed to thumb-typing. This is a bad idea though as to use such a keyboard, you'd have to lay the tablet down on a surface which immediately reduces it's usability. One of the issues with current tablet models is that you can't use them standing up very well. Thumb typing on a larger sized version of the iPhone portrait keyboard is arguably a better solution than finding a table to lie the tablet down on and hope it doesn't skitter around while you try to type on a virtual keyboard. That would actually be a less accurate and more uncomfortable way to type in my estimation.
I would further argue that the current UI is scaleable. Instead of 16 apps a screen it might conceivably have 64, with 8 icons across the bottom.
The rest of your points assume that apps would be running in windows that need to be managed, but with the fast switching we already have on the iPhone, and the limited screen real estate this makes no sense to me. I would expect all apps to be full screen and to work better that way. Multitasking could be easily achieved the way it currently is on the iPhone OS by closing one app and opening another, just that they would in fact be running in the background rather than actually closing. A small tablet like this requires your focussed attention, working on one app at a time full screen is probably the best choice overall. In any case, with the extra "rows" afforded by the larger screen, it would be easy to have some kind of enhanced dock or notification area for fast task switching between open apps and none of that is really beyond the current OS's capabilities which was my point.
As for a "Finder" I don't see that it's necessary when you are talking about apps running full screen. The apps all necessarily install in the same place, and the UI allows access to them directly just as on the iPhone.
The only thing necessary is a file space for your documents and downloads and the easiest most straightforward solution to that is to use one of those extra icons on the dock for either both of these in a stack or two stacks respectively as on the Desktop version. Stacks are a perfect, finger-freindly alternative to the finder and I'd be surprised if they were not developed on the desktop Mac at least partly for that purpose.
Right- and that's why Apple Computer Inc changed their name to Apple Inc.
They were so failing two years ago.
Again, your know-it-all logic fails.
The majority of the public simply know the company as "Apple", both before and after the change. There was never a risk of brand confusion in that case. Solipism is right here. Changing the name from iTunes at this point would not be a good plan.
Thompson
You fail all the time and never admit it. Who refers to their videos bought on iTunes as "tunes". Or books, or podcasts or etc. Only a fool would do that.
Well this is common. "eBook" "MP3 Player" "Movie" (they haven't been "moving" since VHS!)
Just because iTunes doesn't adequately describe all that it can be used for does not make it a fail - of Homeric or any other proportion.
Should an iPhone be rebranded "iPortabletelecommunicationsandgamingGPSmapandmore "?
The majority of the public simply know the company as "Apple", both before and after the change. There was never a risk of brand confusion in that case. Solipism is right here. Changing the name from iTunes at this point would not be a good plan.
Thompson
Well the names is actually iTunes Store - iTunes is the Application.
Well this is common. "eBook" "MP3 Player" "Movie" (they haven't been "moving" since VHS!)
Just because iTunes doesn't adequately describe all that it can be used for does not make it a fail - of Homeric or any other proportion.
Should an iPhone be rebranded "iPortabletelecommunicationsandgamingGPSmapandmore "?
No - it should simply be call iStore as it's really called the iTunes Store- iTunes is the application not the name of the store.
HOw many combinations of muti-tasking does it do- ONE or TWO?
How many non-censored Apple vendor applications does it accept?
Why can't I browse the web and open and answer a simple text message simulataneously?
"Currently doesn't" <> "Can't"
I'm also unaware that the cry for unfettered ability to submit any app is a crying need for very many users, other than (perhaps) developers.
Indeed that's probably a selling point for most users.
no offense if the "shockingly inexpensive" tablet is tied to cellular service... IT IS AN AUTOMATIC PASS for me.
Sorry, I already pay enough for an iphone to be stuck with another monthly fee. if you add up how expensive these iphones are over the course of a two year deal, just for starters... its ALOT.
so... i ain't a fan of these fake "inexpensive" items. everyone knows your $199 iphone 3gs aint cheap in the long run.
Yup... its subscription costs that are the killer and a lot of things.
Frankly, I can kinda justify the extra data costs for my iPhone... I've gotten to like the anytime/anywhere thing with it.
But for a tablet, I'll be fine with wifi and pray that it doesn't require wireless.
No - it should simply be call iStore as it's really called the iTunes Store- iTunes is the application not the name of the store.
Wow... that's a real grabber of a name.
My AAPL thanks you for not being involved in the decision.
Well this is common. "eBook" "MP3 Player" "Movie" (they haven't been "moving" since VHS!)
And we shoudls rename movies to talkies because that lets us know they have sound as opposed to when movies were silent. And we can?t refer to digital movies in theaters as films because it?s technically not accurate to the original meaning of the word.
It?s quite amazing how quickly language evolves, especially English, and yet some people have a problem with a marketing term.
Earlier this week there was this sham of a piece from the NYTimes on CamelCase. PS: I?d call TeckStud a nimrod but he might think I?m calling him the great-grandson of Noah, reputed for his skill as a hunter. (The etymology for this definition alteration is pretty cool. Has to do with a Loony Toons cartoon with Bugs Bunny & Elmer Fudd
MOVE ALONG!
And we shoudls rename movies to talkies because that lets us know they have sound as opposed to when movies were silent. And we can?t refer to digital movies in theaters as films because it?s technically not accurate to the original meaning of the word.
It?s quite amazing how quickly language evolves, especially English, and yet some people have a problem with a marketing term.
Earlier this week there was this sham of a piece from the NYTimes on CamelCase. PS: I?d call TeckStud a nimrod but he might think I?m calling him the great-grandson of Noah, reputed for his skill as a hunter. (The etymology for this definition alteration is pretty cool. Has to do with a Loony Toons cartoon with Bugs Bunny & Elmer Fudd
Oh you're so funny and knowledgable, I forgot to use my Fart app.
Well the names is actually iTunes Store - iTunes is the Application.
It's a store. That you access through iTunes.
I wonder what we should name it?
hmmmm. How about the iTunes Store? Tells you everything you need to know.
iStore could be a store for anything. Incidentally, www.istore.com is an 'information store' whose motto is 'powering the digital oilfield.' They cater to big oil companies.
Is it possible for you to admit when you're wrong?
I thought that was how it worked....
Well the names is actually iTunes Store - iTunes is the Application.
That is of course technically correct, although it does not in any way change the nature of my point, which is that the "iTunes" name has become engrained in our vocabulary. All but the most technologically ignorant (e.g. technophobes) or those prone to becoming desperately pedantic when losing an argument (e.g. you) realize and don't care that iTunes (both application and store) delivers far more than just music.
Just like the general consumer is largely unaware of whether the words "Computer" or "Inc" officially follow the word "Apple", they likewise just say "iTunes" and let the context of their sentence dictate whether they are referring to the application or the store. For example, when referring to where they purchased their digital songs or movies, they often just say "I purchased them from itunes". As a matter of fact, go ahead and start typing "purchase songs" or "purchase movies from" in a Google search window and check out what completions are offered. That's right: the ones mentioning "iTunes" do not also say "Store". It's the "iTunes" moniker that seems to matter.
Face it: the brand "iTunes" has grown in scope and meaning to be much broader than the original purpose, which was of course "tunes". Over a hundred million people are comfortable with this situation, so it would not behoove Apple in any way to mess with it. Indeed, it could only be a source of added confusion at this point.
Thompson