Time Magazine ranks Motorola Droid above Apple iPhone for 2009

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  • Reply 141 of 278
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,870member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Both forms of usage are correct. Check any usage reference source. (We go through this about once every six months on this Forum!).



    Depends what you mean by "correct". Both forms are common but one doesn't mean what the user wants it to mean.
  • Reply 142 of 278
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    What's new and exciting about the Droid? The fact that it's a recast iPhone in a horrible outer shell, sporting a lousy OS with a badly implemented app store?



    It's new, and it's a novelty, and it's the best iPhone knockoff yet that did indeed make waves in the market. Which we've seen before. Sure, I get it.



    Yep, the Droid is the best device for the Apple haters. Having had the 3G and now the 3GS I'll admit some of the awe of the device has worn off. However, although I hate to say it, it's become an irreplaceable part of my life and works flawlessly and doesn't require any "work" to make it work. It just does (much like OS X). Some will always be put off by Apple's lockdown on computers and devices but without it the 'magic' would not be there. I for one am happy to pay a premium for the magic as it means I can spend my time doing what's important and less time fiddling about with stuff (which used to be more fun when time was in abundance.)
  • Reply 143 of 278
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    See above!



    I know I know. I get that this is an Apple-first website and the reaction isn't surprising to me in the least. It's all in relation to the post I quoted. It's not the end of the world.
  • Reply 144 of 278
    ifailifail Posts: 463member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Did you happen to notice this is not called DroidInsider? (Btw, do they even have something like that?).



    So what your saying is, every macfag goes into PMS mode when something they love isnt on top? Its akin to having a five year old with their fingers stuck in their ears screaming "NO NO NO, APPLE ONLY!!!"



    The Droid is a pretty sharp phone, i like it but the lackluster keyboard leaves a lot to be desired and is the reason i stick with Blackberry.



    all you people complaining about Time, dont even start that especially when your all clamoring that it will be on the mythical iPad



    Time stated the obvious with the 3GS, its just faster. Its a rehash of 07/08 and any person who isnt an absolute blind fanboy can see that, and thats an INDISPUTABLE FACT. That doesnt mean the phone is any less than what it was, and unless they add some new GROUNDBREAKING FEATURES i doubt any new iteration will be sitting on the very top of these kinds of comparison charts.
  • Reply 145 of 278
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Did you happen to notice this is not called DroidInsider? (Btw, do they even have something like that?).



    http://androidforums.com/motorola-dr...m-renamed.html



    The opening forum message talks about the change of name from droidforums to andriodforums.net.....funny google's android is already so fractured people do not even know how to describe it...is 1.0, 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, the NEW google Android....LOL...great marketing strategy..seems even Google's naming is still in beta mode. I bet those developers love making multiple versions of their same app.



    Good luck with all the those obsolete phones that only run 1.5 (cupcake), 1.6 (donut), 2.0 (eclair)....I think it is rather unfortunate that they name their OS under codenames after marketable/taste appealing but nutritional worthless food products. Hmm, can't see the parallels there...*snark*. Once again prematurely released beta *snark* fractured, doomed to obsolescence OS that will leave a bad taste in most people's mouth *snark x 2*..



    Some early issues with google's coveted but premature OS strategy





    Restrictions and issues




    * Android uses Linux as its kernel,[79] but according to Google, it is not a conventional Linux distribution; it does not have a native X Window System, nor does it support the full set of standard GNU libraries like its system libraries (GNU C Library). This specific modification makes it difficult to reuse existing Linux applications or libraries on Android.[80]

    * Android does not use established Java standards, i.e. Java SE and ME. This prevents compatibility among Java applications written for those platforms and those for the Android platform. Android only reuses the Java language syntax, but does not provide the full-class libraries and APIs bundled with Java SE or ME.[81]

    * Because of potential security issues,[82] Android does not officially allow apps to be installed on, nor run from, an SD card. Current Android products such as the HTC Dream and Magic have limited onboard memory and many users feel restricted by this lack of functionality.[83] However, several unsupported modifications exist, to give the user this capability.[84]

    * ARM Holdings and RealNetworks have expressed doubt that it will gain a major market share as a netbook OS.[85]

    * Responsiveness can be poor due to the limitations of Dalvik's automatic memory management.[86]

    * Developers reported that it's difficult to maintain applications working on different versions of Android, because of various compatibility issues between versions 1.5 and 1.6. This however was only true in some rare cases, specifically during the ADC2 contest.[87].



    my best to google, but stick with algorithms, or wait til the beta is done before releasing your vaporware...
  • Reply 146 of 278
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by reifer View Post


    Everyone I know is exercising Verizon's 30 day money back deal and going back to their iphones



    They'd better hurry!......or else pay a hefty $350 termination fee!!!!!
  • Reply 147 of 278
    [QUOTE=MacTripper;1532355]And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.



    Bush and the Treasury created a wonderful real estate bubble that put a lot of people to work. Only fools didn't know what it was.



    It was the Congress that changed hands under Bush and California (yea that bankrupt I.O.U giving California) liberal socialist ideals that got some banks AND the government controlled Freddie and Fannie into the failure of the sub-prime market in 2005. Their failure to adhere to the tried and true three rules of lending: Credit, Collateral and Character; is the primary reason our economy is in the mess that's it's in.







    ummmm....wrong forum???
  • Reply 148 of 278
    just some idle comments:

    i now have to get my english-french dictionary ready. please disclose whether it is french (from france) or from canada.



    not a stalin apologist, but if i was in stalingrad during wwll when helped to stop the nazis it would be worth a thank you. the rest is all negative.



    pooh poohing apple's upgrades as small tweaks, is short sighted. if they weren't done then users would be screaming. i thought that the telephone was groundbreaking and it is still groundbreaking as far as i'm concerned. apple is scrutinized as if they were tiger woods.



    posters from england seem to use better grammar and spelling then many usa (not all) posters.



    can somebody show a legit count for all the droid sales to date and how many were returned? from 100,000 to 800,000 is a stretch.



    apple is like edmund hillary. first man to climb mt everest and he is still renowned. the others who followed are basically nameless. with global warming, i too might be able to walk to the top and be nameless.
  • Reply 149 of 278
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ifail View Post


    Time stated the obvious with the 3GS, its just faster. Its a rehash of 07/08 and any person who isnt an absolute blind fanboy can see that, and thats an INDISPUTABLE FACT.



    Actually that isn't true and is only a well propagated myth. Speed is probably the most important feature, but it isn't the only one.



    Features of the 3GS (underlined means they differ from the 3G):



    Cellular and wireless

    UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)

    GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

    Wi-Fi (802.11b/g)

    Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR wireless technology



    Location

    Assisted GPS

    Digital compass

    Wi-Fi

    Cellular



    Power and battery

    Built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery

    Charging via USB to computer system or power adapter

    Talk time:

    Up to 12 hours on 2G

    Up to 5 hours on 3G


    Standby time: Up to 300 hours



    Internet use:

    Up to 5 hours on 3G

    Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi

    Video playback: Up to 10 hours

    Audio playback: Up to 30 hours




    Capacity

    16GB or 32GB flash drive



    Display

    3.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen Multi-Touch display

    480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi

    Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating

    Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously



    Camera, photos, and video

    3 megapixels

    Autofocus

    Tap to focus

    Video recording, VGA up to 30 fps with audio


    Photo and video geotagging

    iPhone and third-party application integration



    This was just me going through spec sheet on Apples site and comparing the two. While not major differences, it does prove your "indisputable fact" wrong. The iPhone 3GS is the iPhone 3G refined in all ways including speed. You are correct that the Droid is new and therefore a more interesting phone to report on though.



    Edit: To be clear - Refinement is not the same as a rehash. It is a better phone all around.
  • Reply 150 of 278
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    The Palm Pre made most stir this year than the Droid. Everyone was talking about the Pre since the day it was announced in January 2009. Believe me it is all about who pays more and has nothing to do with logic.



    I really wished I had remembered to buy Palm back in January. Could have made a mint in 5 month.
  • Reply 151 of 278
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post


    Actually that isn't true and is only a well propagated myth. Speed is probably the most important feature, but it isn't the only one.



    Features of the 3GS (underlined means they differ from the 3G):



    [?]



    Nice list but it?s a wasted effort. iFail is just here to troll so you?re wasting your time being rational and objective.
  • Reply 152 of 278
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    I think this souhld shed some light on the perepsctive we might take when thinking about this



    From TIME's list:



    http://www.time.com/time/specials/pa...945379,00.html



    1. Motorola Droid: Everybody likes Android, Google's open-source smartphone operating system. But a smartphone operating system isn't all that satisfying without an actual kick-ass smartphone wrapped around it. Now Android has one: The Droid is a hefty beast, a metal behemoth without the gloss and finish of the iPhone, but you don't miss it. The Droid's touchscreen is phenomenally sharp and vivid, it has an actual physical (not great, but good enough) keyboard, and best of all, the Droid is on Verizon's best-of-breed 3G network. It's Android's first credible challenge to the iPhone. Price: $300.



    2. The Nook



    3. Dyson Air Multiplier



    4. iPhone 3GS: Take the iPhone. Make it faster. There, you're done. Yes, the 3GS has a better camera ? with video. And it has a compass and voice control. Those are all improvements over the original. But the main point of, and the best thing about, the new iPhone is speed. It has more of it. Period. Price: $200 to $300.



    5. Canon EOS-1D Mark IV



    6. Dell Adamo XPS



    7. FinePix Real 3D W1



    8. Casio G-Shock GW7900B-1



    9. Beats Solo by Dr. Dre



    10. Panasonic G10 Series Plasma HDTVs




    Thanks for posting this. I should have read it earlier.
  • Reply 153 of 278
    ifailifail Posts: 463member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Nice list but it?s a wasted effort. iFail is just here to troll so you?re wasting your time being rational and objective.



    Im trolling for calling out delusional apple fans? Sore much?
  • Reply 154 of 278
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    I think this souhld shed some light on the perepsctive we might take when thinking about this



    From TIME's list:



    http://www.time.com/time/specials/pa...945379,00.html



    1. Motorola Droid: Everybody likes Android, Google's open-source smartphone operating system. But a smartphone operating system isn't all that satisfying without an actual kick-ass smartphone wrapped around it. Now Android has one: The Droid is a hefty beast, a metal behemoth without the gloss and finish of the iPhone, but you don't miss it. The Droid's touchscreen is phenomenally sharp and vivid, it has an actual physical (not great, but good enough) keyboard, and best of all, the Droid is on Verizon's best-of-breed 3G network. It's Android's first credible challenge to the iPhone. Price: $300.



    2. The Nook



    3. Dyson Air Multiplier



    4. iPhone 3GS: Take the iPhone. Make it faster. There, you're done. Yes, the 3GS has a better camera ? with video. And it has a compass and voice control. Those are all improvements over the original. But the main point of, and the best thing about, the new iPhone is speed. It has more of it. Period. Price: $200 to $300.



    5. Canon EOS-1D Mark IV



    6. Dell Adamo XPS



    7. FinePix Real 3D W1



    8. Casio G-Shock GW7900B-1



    9. Beats Solo by Dr. Dre



    10. Panasonic G10 Series Plasma HDTVs




    As John Dvorak once explained, these Top 10 lists are all alike... the editors gather in their bull sessions and more or less randomly choose these things. They are all expected to piece together "best of" lists so they do. It's all meaningless.
  • Reply 155 of 278
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ifail View Post


    Im trolling for calling out delusional apple fans? Sore much?



    What delusions might those be? Delusions about what?
  • Reply 156 of 278
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    I think this souhld shed some light on the perepsctive we might take when thinking about this



    From TIME's list:



    http://www.time.com/time/specials/pa...945379,00.html

    [?]



    Yeah, thanks for posting this. What a crappy list. The air multiplier and 3D camera are pretty cool. The worst one is the Dell Adamo XPS. It?s a prime example of form over function. The Dell Adamo is a much better ultra-light notebook than the XPS in every way.
  • Reply 157 of 278
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,851member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Both forms of usage are correct. Check any usage reference source. (We go through this about once every six months on this Forum!).



    Sorry must have missed earlier threads. I was simply thanking the person who corrected the dude. I looked it up as you suggested. So I see it is a modern day American only slang corruption - here is a good explanation of the weird phrase. I doubt it is deliberate irony somehow



    From Wise Geek:

    ?I could care less? is one of those idiomatic expressions, particularly in American English, that doesn?t necessarily mean what it says. There are numerous suggestions for the origin of the phrase. The most recent of these is that ?I could care less? is a corruption of the term ?I couldn?t care less,? possibly first used in the UK in the 1940s. By the 1960s, Americans had adopted ?I could care less.? Was it laziness, poor hearing or deliberate irony?
  • Reply 158 of 278
    trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,464member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    No, I'm pulling it off the web. Engadget did the test.



    http://dailymobile.se/2009/10/29/mot...er-speed-test/

    http://homebiss.blogspot.com/2009/11...phone-3gs.html

    http://www.iphoneheat.com/2009/10/br...-3gs-vs-droid/

    http://www.androidcentral.com/droid-...ser-speed-test

    http://www.funkyspacemonkey.com/ipho...eed-test-video



    That's one sad looking OS on the Droid, that's for sure.



    But I'm sure your own test might show differently. Can we see it?



    Ars did a nice test as well and it showed the Droid just a smidge slower than the iPhoneGS. I believe it was 8 second average versus 9.2. Plenty of people will tolerate that second to get a network that works. Take a look at your first link for example. That iPhone is getting no service at all for a call. Yippee for being a second faster but boo for not being able to take or make a call.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    Just like "man of the year" doesn't mean "best man of the year", the "Number one gadget" doesn't mean the "best gadget." I would tend to agree with Time, that the Android is a far more important gadget this year than the 3GS.



    Agreed. (Try not to pass out from the disbelief) I'm hoping Apple does something amazing this year as they often do. Likewise the resolution on these new screens is just insane.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by msantti View Post


    And there is a ton of stuff that can be added to the Droid?



    The thing with Android is that there is no hardware standard. Its a hodge podge. Shit, some older phones won't run Android 2.0.



    LOL!



    Some older iPhones won't do MMS, support voice dialing, use a compass, support stereo bluetooth, etc. I would personally hope that Apple finds a way to make a bigger leap on the next iPhone. They should be thinking about quadrupling the number of pixels on that screen as an example. Even though I own an iPhone 2G, it shouldn't be able to do most of what the next iPhone can do nor should the 3G. They should feel like older phones and Apple should be adding new features.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post


    Definitely! That is just plain vanilla Android OS. After seeing what HTC has done on the Hero with their Sense GUI, I can say that the Android OS is far from sad as well. And on top of that, the Droid just got rooted. Here come the onslaught of customizable GUIs!



    It's not that it just "looks" different. It is different. Three screen for live widgets. Live ticker-tape for your stocks, live Facebook and Twitter widgets that post automatically when you type in them, and many more. A simple drag-down menu for all your notifications. It's pulled away from having to press an icon to open an app to use it. The ones you constantly use are right there at the ready. Though the icon grid is still around in the form of that drag up menu. Is any of this coming for the iPhone in its next iteration?



    What I'd like to see is how the HTC Bravo/Passion will change things in 2010. Better screen (AMOLED!), larger screen, faster processor, better body design (slimmer than the iPhone!)... All with the amazing Sense that the Hero has.



    Just like with PC's, some of the hardware coming out is amazing. Let's hope Apple adopts it, (even if there is an Apple tax.)
  • Reply 159 of 278
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,851member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    Depends what you mean by "correct". Both forms are common but one doesn't mean what the user wants it to mean.



    Exactly.
  • Reply 160 of 278
    pxtpxt Posts: 683member
    [QUOTE=MacTripper;1532355]And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.





    [...]





    I suspect the comment about Time and Hitler, Stalin and Bush is that all three men turned out to be mass-murderers.
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