You said "for 2009", so it is only natural to count all of it, but for fun I did a search including only results from the last week:
3gs - 50,800,000 hits
droid - 18,200,000 hits
Those numbers seem bigger than my last attempt, despite having a narrower field. Maybe I had missed a set of zeros or selected Canada only. Oh well.
I do agree that people should be objective about these things, but Apple Apple fanboys are not the only ones guilty of not being objective. The fact that you consider the 3gs to be merely a faster 3g makes me wonder.
I haven't had a chance to handle the Droid, but it does look like the best android phone thus far. I'm still happy with my 3gs.
i only have 2 friends with a 3GS, ive used it sparingly and it is fast, but thats really all i see it offer, it still has the same terrible battery life. The camera is pretty good, never played with the video camera stuff. I havent used any 3GS specific apps other than the compass (waste of time) and the voice command which my old Curve from 07 had. The Speakerphone is a lot louder than the 3G. I know the things they added into it since i follow technology, but in seriousness if i were to describe the 3GS, its "faster with a better camera"
To play devils advocate, the Droid is only in the US the 3GS is worldwide and as such would include worldwide hits (not sure if Google filters that).
But as for your comparisons of the Droid... Actually, yes it can do pinch/pull-zoom. Just not in the native apps. It has been shown that the various third-party apps (photo editors/viewers, browsers, etc) are able to do pinch/pull-zoom. The GSM version of the Droid, the Milestone, can do pinch/pull-zoom natively.
From the pictures I've seen of the two side-by-side, I'd have to say the 3GS is just barely better. But they're both just cell phone cameras. No way it's going to replace my stand-alone any time soon.
I agree on the mechanical breaking part. As bad as people say the keyboard is, it's not that horrbile (my opinion). But I have to give Motorola credit for being able to create a slider that's only a hair thicker than the iPhone. Just imagine how thin it would have been without the keyboard...
As for your numbers, it's actually closer to 250,000 Droids sold. And the 1 million mark is 3GS sales in 8 countries combined, so yes, it'll should be higher. Why wasn't the Droid sold in more countries at its initial launch? No idea. But I'm sure that if the Milestone (GSM) and Droid (CDMA) both sold at the same time, there would be much more than 250,000 sales. I'd be interested in seeing exactly how many sales the 3GS had for AT&T alone, as a better comparison.
It shows that South Korea likes the iPhone and the US loves the Droid?
With the way Android is gaining in popularity in the industry, I'm willing to bet cash that the Droid line will have no problems keepings the momentum.
as it has been pointed out before, it is only sold in the US because motorola has no strategy other short-term coat-tailing on apple....meaning they can only run on the old technology of north america and the island of CDMA that only exists here. So they are permanently tied to Verizon sink or swim. They can not compete in the GLOBAL handset market, unlike the iphone/ATT which are based on larger global market strategy based on UMTS network. while motorola's strategy is more a stop-gap loss marketing strategy, but its only short-term and they are hoping the short-term hype with sell millions before someone actually uses an iphone.
Additionally the addition of hardware keyboard dooms its use to only english-speaking only countries, to of which there are few. The droid is not an iphone killer, its a motorola-saver
which will only last for a few months when the next iteration of the iphone will render it obsolete and another piece of old tech placed in a kitchen drawer next to the ROKR and RAZOR.
But as for your comparisons of the Droid... Actually, yes it can do pinch/pull-zoom. Just not in the native apps. It has been shown that the various third-party apps (photo editors/viewers, browsers, etc) are able to do pinch/pull-zoom. The GSM version of the Droid, the Milestone, can do pinch/pull-zoom natively.
From the pictures I've seen of the two side-by-side, I'd have to say the 3GS is just barely better. But they're both just cell phone cameras. No way it's going to replace my stand-alone any time soon.
I agree on the mechanical breaking part. As bad as people say the keyboard is, it's not that horrbile (my opinion). But I have to give Motorola credit for being able to create a slider that's only a hair thicker than the iPhone. Just imagine how thin it would have been without the keyboard...
As for your numbers, it's actually closer to 250,000 Droids sold. And the 1 million mark is 3GS sales in 8 countries combined, so yes, it'll should be higher. Why wasn't the Droid sold in more countries at its initial launch? No idea. But I'm sure that if the Milestone (GSM) and Droid (CDMA) both sold at the same time, there would be much more than 250,000 sales. I'd be interested in seeing exactly how many sales the 3GS had for AT&T alone, as a better comparison.
It shows that South Korea likes the iPhone and the US loves the Droid?
With the way Android is gaining in popularity in the industry, I'm willing to bet cash that the Droid line will have no problems keepings the momentum.
as it has been pointed out before, it is only sold in the US because motorola has no strategy other short-term coat-tailing on apple....meaning they can only run on the old technology of north america and the island of CDMA that only exists here and the islands of japan. So they are permanently tied to Verizon sink or swim. They can not compete in the GLOBAL handset market, unlike the iphone/ATT which are based on larger global market strategy based on UMTS network. while motorola's strategy is more a stop-gap loss marketing strategy, but its only short-term and they are hoping the short-term hype with sell millions before someone actually uses an iphone.
Additionally the addition of hardware keyboard dooms its use to only english-speaking only countries, to of which there are few. The droid is not an iphone killer, its a motorola-saver
which will only last for a few months when the next iteration of the iphone will render it obsolete and another piece of old tech placed in a kitchen drawer next to the ROKR and RAZOR.
as it has been pointed out before, it is only sold in the US because motorola has no strategy other short-term coat-tailing on apple....meaning they can only run on the old technology of north america and the island of CDMA that only exists here. So they are permanently tied to Verizon sink or swim. They can not compete in the GLOBAL handset market, unlike the iphone/ATT which are based on larger global market strategy based on UMTS network. while motorola's strategy is more a stop-gap loss marketing strategy, but its only short-term and they are hoping the short-term hype with sell millions before someone actually uses an iphone.
Additionally the addition of hardware keyboard dooms its use to only english-speaking only countries, to of which there are few. The droid is not an iphone killer, its a motorola-saver
which will only last for a few months when the next iteration of the iphone will render it obsolete and another piece of old tech placed in a kitchen drawer next to the ROKR and RAZOR.
Ahh. Very interesting to know. In a way, this is also why I'm saving my upgrade on Verizon for the HTC models (Passion, if you still haven't gotten my hints ).
Though along with a lot of other people out there, I really am resisting the urge to bonk you with a foam bat for the use of "iPhone killer". As for your comment about rendering the Droid obsolete, the iPhone tech itself has been rendered "obsolete" many times over. It's the ecosystem that's keeping it alive. But Android, which is the real star here, will never be rendered obsolete.
as it has been pointed out before, it is only sold in the US because motorola has no strategy other short-term coat-tailing on apple....meaning they can only run on the old technology of north america and the island of CDMA that only exists here and the islands of japan. So they are permanently tied to Verizon sink or swim. They can not compete in the GLOBAL handset market, unlike the iphone/ATT which are based on larger global market strategy based on UMTS network. while motorola's strategy is more a stop-gap loss marketing strategy, but its only short-term and they are hoping the short-term hype with sell millions before someone actually uses an iphone.
Additionally the addition of hardware keyboard dooms its use to only english-speaking only countries, to of which there are few. The droid is not an iphone killer, its a motorola-saver
which will only last for a few months when the next iteration of the iphone will render it obsolete and another piece of old tech placed in a kitchen drawer next to the ROKR and RAZOR.
The Droid is called the Milestone outside the US, it uses all the UMTS goodness as well that the rest of the world does, the reasons its not included in the Droid is most likely due to wanting a cheaper chip for Moto.
BTW the keyboard plastic lettering piece is incredibly cheap to make your talking less than one dollar, they dont have to redesign the phone everytime they want to release to a different region but it does mean that phones made for that region (and thus specific keyboards) cant be sold in other areas.
The Droid is called the Milestone outside the US, it uses all the UMTS goodness as well that the rest of the world does, the reasons its not included in the Droid is most likely due to wanting a cheaper chip for Moto.
BTW the keyboard plastic lettering piece is incredibly cheap to make your talking less than one dollar, they dont have to redesign the phone everytime they want to release to a different region but it does mean that phones made for that region (and thus specific keyboards) cant be sold in other areas.
Not to mention that Motorola does have a UMTS version (Droid 2?) out there without a physical keyboard.
But then this issue can be solve by downloading a non-English virtual keyboard from the Marketplace. Yes, the Milestone's keyboard will then be dead weight, but no one said you absolutely had to use it...
Not to mention that Motorola does have a UMTS version (Droid 2?) out there without a physical keyboard.
But then this issue can be solve by downloading a non-English virtual keyboard from the Marketplace. Yes, the Milestone's keyboard will then be dead weight, but no one said you absolutely had to use it...
And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.
Bush and the Treasury created a wonderful real estate bubble that put a lot of people to work. Only fools didn't know what it was.
It was the Congress that changed hands under Bush and California (yea that bankrupt I.O.U giving California) liberal socialist ideals that got some banks AND the government controlled Freddie and Fannie into the failure of the sub-prime market in 2005. Their failure to adhere to the tried and true three rules of lending: Credit, Collateral and Character; is the primary reason our economy is in the mess that's it's in.
The Bush Treasury had to take control and fire the CEO's of both Freddie and Fannie, after repeatably warning the out of control new Congress about their "Socializing the risks and privatizing the profits" - Alan Greenspan to Congress, concerning the two GSE's. It's this stopping of their socialist "everyone has a right to own a house" ideals is the reason they blamed the Bush administration for the near worldwide economic collapse, when it really was their fault of irresponsible mandatory lending to the GSE's and banks under the Community Reinvestment Act revisions made by socialist Bill Clinton.
In a real estate bubble, it's speculative, a game of musical chairs, the last owning the property loses.
It's a game not for the working, struggling or the poor. But the Democratic controlled Congress made it so.
Conservative banks are doing fine today. The banks that managed to dump their toxic sub-prime mortgages before the bubble blew are also doing ok. Everyone who prepared for the downside are doing ok today.
Everyone who has taken even a entry level economics course in high school know what a post real estate bubble recession is. What made this one so much worse was the sub-prime.
Rich people usually only gamble with what they have extra, not their only house.
Where did the first and most banks fail than anywhere else? California.
Where the sub-prime lending mess started? California.
Where is the "home" of the liberal media empire? California.
Read Charles Gasperino's book: The Sellout. Explains who is responsible for making this mess worse than it is.
Glad to see some reasoned thought on the whole debate.
A couple of additions:
-it wasn't the CRA per se that lead to the crisis. It was the free reign and expansion of 'coverage' that was granted to FM in the late 90's by Clinton that created the incentive to invest in the subprime market. Subprime lending dates back to the 70's, with the advent (political) of 'red-lining'- this was and is the big housing entitlement push by the dems. Interestingly enough, it was Bush who read the writing on the wall as early as 2001, and had been trying to reign in FM/FM since then- 17 times alone in 2007. But of course the Dems in congress stone-walled him each time.
-as you've alluded to, the majority of the banking/investing companies had enough smarts to not invest in subprime lending/loans. Of those that did, the shadow banks (eg Lehman) carried most of the risk, but were also the most under-regulated or non-regulated (where was the SEC?). This is where the majority of the strife that hit Wall Street came from, and frankly, I'm glad that Lehman was let go. This is also why most investment firms continue to do well (read: Goldman).
The Obama lemmings will continue to blindly follow his pied-piperness, but I give him a lot of credit for continuing to blame the Bush admin for the state of the economy today- takes guts, but it's sad that he won't step up to the plate and admit his mistakes. He needs to stop the blame and do his job.
Interestingly enough, around October 2008, Time published an article listing those responsible for this economic mess. Bush was listed, but the reason was basically that he was there. No other reasons- this is especially telling since Time clearly leans left, and would be happy to find any reason at all to put Bush in the sewer.
Bottom line: everyone can't always get what they want, not now and not in the foreseeable future; and if people don't pay for something, they will abuse it. Until we start realizing these basic principles, we'll continue to provide handouts at the expense of those who work hard for what they have.
The Droid is called the Milestone outside the US, it uses all the UMTS goodness as well that the rest of the world does, the reasons its not included in the Droid is most likely due to wanting a cheaper chip for Moto.
BTW the keyboard plastic lettering piece is incredibly cheap to make your talking less than one dollar, they dont have to redesign the phone everytime they want to release to a different region but it does mean that phones made for that region (and thus specific keyboards) cant be sold in other areas.
make multiple pieces junk that runs a fractured OS, and one due to be released when the Google phone comes out, so developers will have to build at least 20+ different UI experiences and aesthetics for their apps, a phone you can not take outside the US, a keyboard that becomes useless in other countries....vs..
a phone that has a consistent UI experience, GUI experience, apps are consistently built to the same phone specs, a phone that can be used in the majority of global networks, updates that APPLY TO ALL PHONES, a virtual keyboard for most languages...
Not to mention that Motorola does have a UMTS version (Droid 2?) out there without a physical keyboard.
But then this issue can be solve by downloading a non-English virtual keyboard from the Marketplace. Yes, the Milestone's keyboard will then be dead weight, but no one said you absolutely had to use it...
over going with a smarter and practical virtual keyboard, but with a dead keyboard on a piece of tech, you defend the wasted piece of cheap plastic that was supposed to be great and a feature that was supposed to be superior to the apple virtual keyboard....but claim its no biggie? I gather from your previous posts, you would not have such kind words for apple if the situation was reversed instead of seeing the enlightened way apple approached it..
Same magazine who sat around while Bush fooled his own country.
This is an inexcusable level of dumb.
For the sake of argument, let's say that Bush fooled the USA, the entire world and is basically Satan.
Try counting the Obama vs. Bush covers and feature stories. Now of those stories and covers, how many are negative vs. positive for Bush, then for Obama.
So if your attempt is to discredit Time magazine based on it's friendliness to Bush, you've already completely failed. They've bent over backward to praise democrat party line for years, this is like 5 seconds of actual research you clown. There's your smoking gun, along with the barely 2nd grade level of their writing. However I'm guessing you're not a big reader?
Try this one instead, you drooling invertebrate... how many Motorola/Android ads are they running? Magazines are never impartial, the vast majority (all the ones in color print) only review advertisers' products. But again I know you're not a big reader. Once you get that GED, I suggest a Journalism 101 course at a community college. You're not smart enough to talk about politics, and politics are in no way more important than our beloved iPhones.
The Droid is called the Milestone outside the US, it uses all the UMTS goodness as well that the rest of the world does, the reasons its not included in the Droid is most likely due to wanting a cheaper chip for Moto.
BTW the keyboard plastic lettering piece is incredibly cheap to make your talking less than one dollar, they dont have to redesign the phone everytime they want to release to a different region but it does mean that phones made for that region (and thus specific keyboards) cant be sold in other areas.
so making multiple pieces of junk to do the same thing...well thought out, its amazing motorola has been around for as long as it has...i hope they would disappear, I have had and never liked their clunky pieces of garbage....maybe their next incarnation will be wiser..
over going with a smarter and practical virtual keyboard, but with a dead keyboard on a piece of tech, you defend the wasted piece of cheap plastic that was supposed to be great and a feature that was supposed to be superior to the apple virtual keyboard....but claim its no biggie? I gather from your previous posts, you would not have such kind words for apple if the situation was reversed instead of seeing the enlightened way apple approached it..
Actually, I wouldn't attack Apple as bad as you're attacking Motorola. I would have prefered no physical keyboard, as it would have made the device slimmer, a la the HTC Passion (keyboard-less Droid, in my eyes).
I'm just answering with a solution to what you see as a problem. The device is already only a hair thicker than the iPhone, so it wouldn't be any worse off if you never touched the keyboard. To me, it's more of an option than anything to have the keyboard. I've used it and while it's not the most amazing thing out there, it's not unusable (at least to me) either.
I would be saying the exact same thing if it were the iPhone that had a physical keyboard that couldn't be used around the world. I would see it as an option and you again, would probably still be attacking me for holding that opinion.
But the question I ask you is what about RIM and their BlackBerries? They are used the world over in counties where English isn't the primary language. Yet I don't see them having an issue with having English physical keyboards...
And what about companies like HTC, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, etc that reside in countries that don't even use alpha-numeric characters as their primary language script? All their keyboarded phones are QWERTY. They all seem to be doing fine.
make multiple pieces junk that runs a fractured OS, and one due to be released when the Google phone comes out, so developers will have to build at least 20+ different UI experiences and aesthetics for their apps, a phone you can not take outside the US, a keyboard that becomes useless in other countries....vs..
a phone that has a consistent UI experience, GUI experience, apps are consistently built to the same phone specs, a phone that can be used in the majority of global networks, updates that APPLY TO ALL PHONES, a virtual keyboard for most languages...
wow, motorola really knows what they are doing...
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so making multiple pieces of junk to do the same thing...well thought out, its amazing motorola has been around for as long as it has...i hope they would disappear, I have had and never liked their clunky pieces of garbage....maybe their next incarnation will be wiser..
you seriously make me want to shoot you so you never have the chance to procreate and spread your stupidity, if your going to argue at least be logical.
The Android UI software is consistent across all devices, the MANUFACTURERS change them for their devices how they see fit, they could choose to add anything and take away anything they want. Fail 1
All apps run the same, the UI does not influence how the App runs whatsoever. Fail 2
Very few people would buy a Droid if they were looking for a WORLD PHONE, most people dont travel outside the US and something like 7% of US citizens own a passport. Fail 3
The Droid has a virtual Keyboard. Fail 4
Apps are developed to Android OS specs, meaning whatever the OS is the App will be supported by the phone running that OS. This is no different than not being able to run iLife on a computer that has Tiger on it. Fail 5
I think one of the major upgrades we will see with the iPhone is the battery. Because of the major updates with the Macbook and Macbook Pro series concerning the battery, it makes sense the iPhone will eventually see the same treatment. As Apple is constructing their own battery, I can't help but think this will be improved drastically soon...
You guys are missing the point. one of the things that time mentioned that apple iphone does not do is free voice announce turn by turn directions. Free as in dont pay for it.
Actually, I wouldn't attack Apple as bad as you're attacking Motorola. I would have prefered no physical keyboard, as it would have made the device slimmer, a la the HTC Passion (keyboard-less Droid, in my eyes).
I'm just answering with a solution to what you see as a problem. The device is already only a hair thicker than the iPhone, so it wouldn't be any worse off if you never touched the keyboard. To me, it's more of an option than anything to have the keyboard. I've used it and while it's not the most amazing thing out there, it's not unusable (at least to me) either.
I would be saying the exact same thing if it were the iPhone that had a physical keyboard that couldn't be used around the world. I would see it as an option and you again, would probably still be attacking me for holding that opinion.
But the question I ask you is what about RIM and their BlackBerries? They are used the world over in counties where English isn't the primary language. Yet I don't see them having an issue with having English physical keyboards...
And what about companies like HTC, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, etc that reside in countries that don't even use alpha-numeric characters as their primary language script? All their keyboarded phones are QWERTY. They all seem to be doing fine.
for the largest cell phone markets in the world...China and India? with a qwerty keyboard? honestly...BB only sells well because of the buy 1, get 1 free CDMA business model...
while the gimmick is good, but it wont sell in most non-english speaking countries with a UMTS cell network..
for the largest cell phone markets in the world...China and India? with a qwerty keyboard? honestly...BB only sells well because of the buy 1, get 1 free CDMA business model...
while the gimmick is good, but it wont sell in most non-english speaking countries with a UMTS cell network..
Without a doubt. RIM has been supported in those countries since 2006. It's now officially launching its full-fledged services in China, India, Russia, and a whole host of other countries. The Middle East where Arabic script (probably spelled that wrong) is predominate, has had RIM service for a while now.
RIM has UTMS-based, CDMA-based, and dual radio-based phones for each and every market there is on the face of the planet. And it sells well because it's the most secure way of communications businesses can buy. Not even the iPhone can touch a BlackBerry, yet, for this reason. It's catching up, but it's still got a lot of security holes to patch.
I think you're underestimating the education of the people in those countries. English is taught as a secondary language because it's used the world over. It's kind of become the "standard language", if you will. If you can afford the monthly service expense of a smartphone with a QWERTY keyboard, you'll have the education to recognize the English alphabet.
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You said "for 2009", so it is only natural to count all of it, but for fun I did a search including only results from the last week:
3gs - 50,800,000 hits
droid - 18,200,000 hits
Those numbers seem bigger than my last attempt, despite having a narrower field. Maybe I had missed a set of zeros or selected Canada only. Oh well.
I do agree that people should be objective about these things, but Apple Apple fanboys are not the only ones guilty of not being objective. The fact that you consider the 3gs to be merely a faster 3g makes me wonder.
I haven't had a chance to handle the Droid, but it does look like the best android phone thus far. I'm still happy with my 3gs.
i only have 2 friends with a 3GS, ive used it sparingly and it is fast, but thats really all i see it offer, it still has the same terrible battery life. The camera is pretty good, never played with the video camera stuff. I havent used any 3GS specific apps other than the compass (waste of time) and the voice command which my old Curve from 07 had. The Speakerphone is a lot louder than the 3G. I know the things they added into it since i follow technology, but in seriousness if i were to describe the 3GS, its "faster with a better camera"
To play devils advocate, the Droid is only in the US the 3GS is worldwide and as such would include worldwide hits (not sure if Google filters that).
it still has the same terrible battery life.
Are you saying that the Droid?s battery is better than the 3GS in every area?
I have no comment about what you think of Time.
But as for your comparisons of the Droid... Actually, yes it can do pinch/pull-zoom. Just not in the native apps. It has been shown that the various third-party apps (photo editors/viewers, browsers, etc) are able to do pinch/pull-zoom. The GSM version of the Droid, the Milestone, can do pinch/pull-zoom natively.
From the pictures I've seen of the two side-by-side, I'd have to say the 3GS is just barely better. But they're both just cell phone cameras. No way it's going to replace my stand-alone any time soon.
I agree on the mechanical breaking part. As bad as people say the keyboard is, it's not that horrbile (my opinion). But I have to give Motorola credit for being able to create a slider that's only a hair thicker than the iPhone. Just imagine how thin it would have been without the keyboard...
As for your numbers, it's actually closer to 250,000 Droids sold. And the 1 million mark is 3GS sales in 8 countries combined, so yes, it'll should be higher. Why wasn't the Droid sold in more countries at its initial launch? No idea. But I'm sure that if the Milestone (GSM) and Droid (CDMA) both sold at the same time, there would be much more than 250,000 sales. I'd be interested in seeing exactly how many sales the 3GS had for AT&T alone, as a better comparison.
It shows that South Korea likes the iPhone and the US loves the Droid?
With the way Android is gaining in popularity in the industry, I'm willing to bet cash that the Droid line will have no problems keepings the momentum.
as it has been pointed out before, it is only sold in the US because motorola has no strategy other short-term coat-tailing on apple....meaning they can only run on the old technology of north america and the island of CDMA that only exists here. So they are permanently tied to Verizon sink or swim. They can not compete in the GLOBAL handset market, unlike the iphone/ATT which are based on larger global market strategy based on UMTS network. while motorola's strategy is more a stop-gap loss marketing strategy, but its only short-term and they are hoping the short-term hype with sell millions before someone actually uses an iphone.
Additionally the addition of hardware keyboard dooms its use to only english-speaking only countries, to of which there are few. The droid is not an iphone killer, its a motorola-saver
which will only last for a few months when the next iteration of the iphone will render it obsolete and another piece of old tech placed in a kitchen drawer next to the ROKR and RAZOR.
I have no comment about what you think of Time.
But as for your comparisons of the Droid... Actually, yes it can do pinch/pull-zoom. Just not in the native apps. It has been shown that the various third-party apps (photo editors/viewers, browsers, etc) are able to do pinch/pull-zoom. The GSM version of the Droid, the Milestone, can do pinch/pull-zoom natively.
From the pictures I've seen of the two side-by-side, I'd have to say the 3GS is just barely better. But they're both just cell phone cameras. No way it's going to replace my stand-alone any time soon.
I agree on the mechanical breaking part. As bad as people say the keyboard is, it's not that horrbile (my opinion). But I have to give Motorola credit for being able to create a slider that's only a hair thicker than the iPhone. Just imagine how thin it would have been without the keyboard...
As for your numbers, it's actually closer to 250,000 Droids sold. And the 1 million mark is 3GS sales in 8 countries combined, so yes, it'll should be higher. Why wasn't the Droid sold in more countries at its initial launch? No idea. But I'm sure that if the Milestone (GSM) and Droid (CDMA) both sold at the same time, there would be much more than 250,000 sales. I'd be interested in seeing exactly how many sales the 3GS had for AT&T alone, as a better comparison.
It shows that South Korea likes the iPhone and the US loves the Droid?
With the way Android is gaining in popularity in the industry, I'm willing to bet cash that the Droid line will have no problems keepings the momentum.
as it has been pointed out before, it is only sold in the US because motorola has no strategy other short-term coat-tailing on apple....meaning they can only run on the old technology of north america and the island of CDMA that only exists here and the islands of japan. So they are permanently tied to Verizon sink or swim. They can not compete in the GLOBAL handset market, unlike the iphone/ATT which are based on larger global market strategy based on UMTS network. while motorola's strategy is more a stop-gap loss marketing strategy, but its only short-term and they are hoping the short-term hype with sell millions before someone actually uses an iphone.
Additionally the addition of hardware keyboard dooms its use to only english-speaking only countries, to of which there are few. The droid is not an iphone killer, its a motorola-saver
which will only last for a few months when the next iteration of the iphone will render it obsolete and another piece of old tech placed in a kitchen drawer next to the ROKR and RAZOR.
as it has been pointed out before, it is only sold in the US because motorola has no strategy other short-term coat-tailing on apple....meaning they can only run on the old technology of north america and the island of CDMA that only exists here. So they are permanently tied to Verizon sink or swim. They can not compete in the GLOBAL handset market, unlike the iphone/ATT which are based on larger global market strategy based on UMTS network. while motorola's strategy is more a stop-gap loss marketing strategy, but its only short-term and they are hoping the short-term hype with sell millions before someone actually uses an iphone.
Additionally the addition of hardware keyboard dooms its use to only english-speaking only countries, to of which there are few. The droid is not an iphone killer, its a motorola-saver
which will only last for a few months when the next iteration of the iphone will render it obsolete and another piece of old tech placed in a kitchen drawer next to the ROKR and RAZOR.
Ahh. Very interesting to know. In a way, this is also why I'm saving my upgrade on Verizon for the HTC models (Passion, if you still haven't gotten my hints
Though along with a lot of other people out there, I really am resisting the urge to bonk you with a foam bat for the use of "iPhone killer".
Are you saying that the Droid?s battery is better than the 3GS in every area?
i havent used a droid for a more than a couple hours to compare that, but its decent when using the web.
as it has been pointed out before, it is only sold in the US because motorola has no strategy other short-term coat-tailing on apple....meaning they can only run on the old technology of north america and the island of CDMA that only exists here and the islands of japan. So they are permanently tied to Verizon sink or swim. They can not compete in the GLOBAL handset market, unlike the iphone/ATT which are based on larger global market strategy based on UMTS network. while motorola's strategy is more a stop-gap loss marketing strategy, but its only short-term and they are hoping the short-term hype with sell millions before someone actually uses an iphone.
Additionally the addition of hardware keyboard dooms its use to only english-speaking only countries, to of which there are few. The droid is not an iphone killer, its a motorola-saver
which will only last for a few months when the next iteration of the iphone will render it obsolete and another piece of old tech placed in a kitchen drawer next to the ROKR and RAZOR.
The Droid is called the Milestone outside the US, it uses all the UMTS goodness as well that the rest of the world does, the reasons its not included in the Droid is most likely due to wanting a cheaper chip for Moto.
BTW the keyboard plastic lettering piece is incredibly cheap to make your talking less than one dollar, they dont have to redesign the phone everytime they want to release to a different region but it does mean that phones made for that region (and thus specific keyboards) cant be sold in other areas.
The Droid is called the Milestone outside the US, it uses all the UMTS goodness as well that the rest of the world does, the reasons its not included in the Droid is most likely due to wanting a cheaper chip for Moto.
BTW the keyboard plastic lettering piece is incredibly cheap to make your talking less than one dollar, they dont have to redesign the phone everytime they want to release to a different region but it does mean that phones made for that region (and thus specific keyboards) cant be sold in other areas.
Not to mention that Motorola does have a UMTS version (Droid 2?) out there without a physical keyboard.
But then this issue can be solve by downloading a non-English virtual keyboard from the Marketplace. Yes, the Milestone's keyboard will then be dead weight, but no one said you absolutely had to use it...
Not to mention that Motorola does have a UMTS version (Droid 2?) out there without a physical keyboard.
But then this issue can be solve by downloading a non-English virtual keyboard from the Marketplace. Yes, the Milestone's keyboard will then be dead weight, but no one said you absolutely had to use it...
seems motorola really has no clue...
And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.
Bush and the Treasury created a wonderful real estate bubble that put a lot of people to work. Only fools didn't know what it was.
It was the Congress that changed hands under Bush and California (yea that bankrupt I.O.U giving California) liberal socialist ideals that got some banks AND the government controlled Freddie and Fannie into the failure of the sub-prime market in 2005. Their failure to adhere to the tried and true three rules of lending: Credit, Collateral and Character; is the primary reason our economy is in the mess that's it's in.
The Bush Treasury had to take control and fire the CEO's of both Freddie and Fannie, after repeatably warning the out of control new Congress about their "Socializing the risks and privatizing the profits" - Alan Greenspan to Congress, concerning the two GSE's. It's this stopping of their socialist "everyone has a right to own a house" ideals is the reason they blamed the Bush administration for the near worldwide economic collapse, when it really was their fault of irresponsible mandatory lending to the GSE's and banks under the Community Reinvestment Act revisions made by socialist Bill Clinton.
In a real estate bubble, it's speculative, a game of musical chairs, the last owning the property loses.
It's a game not for the working, struggling or the poor. But the Democratic controlled Congress made it so.
Conservative banks are doing fine today. The banks that managed to dump their toxic sub-prime mortgages before the bubble blew are also doing ok. Everyone who prepared for the downside are doing ok today.
Everyone who has taken even a entry level economics course in high school know what a post real estate bubble recession is. What made this one so much worse was the sub-prime.
Rich people usually only gamble with what they have extra, not their only house.
Where did the first and most banks fail than anywhere else? California.
Where the sub-prime lending mess started? California.
Where is the "home" of the liberal media empire? California.
Read Charles Gasperino's book: The Sellout. Explains who is responsible for making this mess worse than it is.
Glad to see some reasoned thought on the whole debate.
A couple of additions:
-it wasn't the CRA per se that lead to the crisis. It was the free reign and expansion of 'coverage' that was granted to FM in the late 90's by Clinton that created the incentive to invest in the subprime market. Subprime lending dates back to the 70's, with the advent (political) of 'red-lining'- this was and is the big housing entitlement push by the dems. Interestingly enough, it was Bush who read the writing on the wall as early as 2001, and had been trying to reign in FM/FM since then- 17 times alone in 2007. But of course the Dems in congress stone-walled him each time.
-as you've alluded to, the majority of the banking/investing companies had enough smarts to not invest in subprime lending/loans. Of those that did, the shadow banks (eg Lehman) carried most of the risk, but were also the most under-regulated or non-regulated (where was the SEC?). This is where the majority of the strife that hit Wall Street came from, and frankly, I'm glad that Lehman was let go. This is also why most investment firms continue to do well (read: Goldman).
The Obama lemmings will continue to blindly follow his pied-piperness, but I give him a lot of credit for continuing to blame the Bush admin for the state of the economy today- takes guts, but it's sad that he won't step up to the plate and admit his mistakes. He needs to stop the blame and do his job.
Interestingly enough, around October 2008, Time published an article listing those responsible for this economic mess. Bush was listed, but the reason was basically that he was there. No other reasons- this is especially telling since Time clearly leans left, and would be happy to find any reason at all to put Bush in the sewer.
Bottom line: everyone can't always get what they want, not now and not in the foreseeable future; and if people don't pay for something, they will abuse it. Until we start realizing these basic principles, we'll continue to provide handouts at the expense of those who work hard for what they have.
The Droid is called the Milestone outside the US, it uses all the UMTS goodness as well that the rest of the world does, the reasons its not included in the Droid is most likely due to wanting a cheaper chip for Moto.
BTW the keyboard plastic lettering piece is incredibly cheap to make your talking less than one dollar, they dont have to redesign the phone everytime they want to release to a different region but it does mean that phones made for that region (and thus specific keyboards) cant be sold in other areas.
make multiple pieces junk that runs a fractured OS, and one due to be released when the Google phone comes out, so developers will have to build at least 20+ different UI experiences and aesthetics for their apps, a phone you can not take outside the US, a keyboard that becomes useless in other countries....vs..
a phone that has a consistent UI experience, GUI experience, apps are consistently built to the same phone specs, a phone that can be used in the majority of global networks, updates that APPLY TO ALL PHONES, a virtual keyboard for most languages...
wow, motorola really knows what they are doing...
Not to mention that Motorola does have a UMTS version (Droid 2?) out there without a physical keyboard.
But then this issue can be solve by downloading a non-English virtual keyboard from the Marketplace. Yes, the Milestone's keyboard will then be dead weight, but no one said you absolutely had to use it...
over going with a smarter and practical virtual keyboard, but with a dead keyboard on a piece of tech, you defend the wasted piece of cheap plastic that was supposed to be great and a feature that was supposed to be superior to the apple virtual keyboard....but claim its no biggie? I gather from your previous posts, you would not have such kind words for apple if the situation was reversed instead of seeing the enlightened way apple approached it..
Same magazine who sat around while Bush fooled his own country.
This is an inexcusable level of dumb.
For the sake of argument, let's say that Bush fooled the USA, the entire world and is basically Satan.
Try counting the Obama vs. Bush covers and feature stories. Now of those stories and covers, how many are negative vs. positive for Bush, then for Obama.
So if your attempt is to discredit Time magazine based on it's friendliness to Bush, you've already completely failed. They've bent over backward to praise democrat party line for years, this is like 5 seconds of actual research you clown. There's your smoking gun, along with the barely 2nd grade level of their writing. However I'm guessing you're not a big reader?
Try this one instead, you drooling invertebrate... how many Motorola/Android ads are they running? Magazines are never impartial, the vast majority (all the ones in color print) only review advertisers' products. But again I know you're not a big reader. Once you get that GED, I suggest a Journalism 101 course at a community college. You're not smart enough to talk about politics, and politics are in no way more important than our beloved iPhones.
The Droid is called the Milestone outside the US, it uses all the UMTS goodness as well that the rest of the world does, the reasons its not included in the Droid is most likely due to wanting a cheaper chip for Moto.
BTW the keyboard plastic lettering piece is incredibly cheap to make your talking less than one dollar, they dont have to redesign the phone everytime they want to release to a different region but it does mean that phones made for that region (and thus specific keyboards) cant be sold in other areas.
so making multiple pieces of junk to do the same thing...well thought out, its amazing motorola has been around for as long as it has...i hope they would disappear, I have had and never liked their clunky pieces of garbage....maybe their next incarnation will be wiser..
over going with a smarter and practical virtual keyboard, but with a dead keyboard on a piece of tech, you defend the wasted piece of cheap plastic that was supposed to be great and a feature that was supposed to be superior to the apple virtual keyboard....but claim its no biggie? I gather from your previous posts, you would not have such kind words for apple if the situation was reversed instead of seeing the enlightened way apple approached it..
Actually, I wouldn't attack Apple as bad as you're attacking Motorola. I would have prefered no physical keyboard, as it would have made the device slimmer, a la the HTC Passion (keyboard-less Droid, in my eyes).
I'm just answering with a solution to what you see as a problem. The device is already only a hair thicker than the iPhone, so it wouldn't be any worse off if you never touched the keyboard. To me, it's more of an option than anything to have the keyboard. I've used it and while it's not the most amazing thing out there, it's not unusable (at least to me) either.
I would be saying the exact same thing if it were the iPhone that had a physical keyboard that couldn't be used around the world. I would see it as an option and you again, would probably still be attacking me for holding that opinion.
But the question I ask you is what about RIM and their BlackBerries? They are used the world over in counties where English isn't the primary language. Yet I don't see them having an issue with having English physical keyboards...
And what about companies like HTC, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, etc that reside in countries that don't even use alpha-numeric characters as their primary language script? All their keyboarded phones are QWERTY. They all seem to be doing fine.
make multiple pieces junk that runs a fractured OS, and one due to be released when the Google phone comes out, so developers will have to build at least 20+ different UI experiences and aesthetics for their apps, a phone you can not take outside the US, a keyboard that becomes useless in other countries....vs..
a phone that has a consistent UI experience, GUI experience, apps are consistently built to the same phone specs, a phone that can be used in the majority of global networks, updates that APPLY TO ALL PHONES, a virtual keyboard for most languages...
wow, motorola really knows what they are doing...
so making multiple pieces of junk to do the same thing...well thought out, its amazing motorola has been around for as long as it has...i hope they would disappear, I have had and never liked their clunky pieces of garbage....maybe their next incarnation will be wiser..
you seriously make me want to shoot you so you never have the chance to procreate and spread your stupidity, if your going to argue at least be logical.
The Android UI software is consistent across all devices, the MANUFACTURERS change them for their devices how they see fit, they could choose to add anything and take away anything they want. Fail 1
All apps run the same, the UI does not influence how the App runs whatsoever. Fail 2
Very few people would buy a Droid if they were looking for a WORLD PHONE, most people dont travel outside the US and something like 7% of US citizens own a passport. Fail 3
The Droid has a virtual Keyboard. Fail 4
Apps are developed to Android OS specs, meaning whatever the OS is the App will be supported by the phone running that OS. This is no different than not being able to run iLife on a computer that has Tiger on it. Fail 5
it still has the same terrible battery life.
I think one of the major upgrades we will see with the iPhone is the battery. Because of the major updates with the Macbook and Macbook Pro series concerning the battery, it makes sense the iPhone will eventually see the same treatment. As Apple is constructing their own battery, I can't help but think this will be improved drastically soon...
Actually, I wouldn't attack Apple as bad as you're attacking Motorola. I would have prefered no physical keyboard, as it would have made the device slimmer, a la the HTC Passion (keyboard-less Droid, in my eyes).
I'm just answering with a solution to what you see as a problem. The device is already only a hair thicker than the iPhone, so it wouldn't be any worse off if you never touched the keyboard. To me, it's more of an option than anything to have the keyboard. I've used it and while it's not the most amazing thing out there, it's not unusable (at least to me) either.
I would be saying the exact same thing if it were the iPhone that had a physical keyboard that couldn't be used around the world. I would see it as an option and you again, would probably still be attacking me for holding that opinion.
But the question I ask you is what about RIM and their BlackBerries? They are used the world over in counties where English isn't the primary language. Yet I don't see them having an issue with having English physical keyboards...
And what about companies like HTC, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, etc that reside in countries that don't even use alpha-numeric characters as their primary language script? All their keyboarded phones are QWERTY. They all seem to be doing fine.
for the largest cell phone markets in the world...China and India? with a qwerty keyboard? honestly...BB only sells well because of the buy 1, get 1 free CDMA business model...
while the gimmick is good, but it wont sell in most non-english speaking countries with a UMTS cell network..
for the largest cell phone markets in the world...China and India? with a qwerty keyboard? honestly...BB only sells well because of the buy 1, get 1 free CDMA business model...
while the gimmick is good, but it wont sell in most non-english speaking countries with a UMTS cell network..
Without a doubt. RIM has been supported in those countries since 2006. It's now officially launching its full-fledged services in China, India, Russia, and a whole host of other countries. The Middle East where Arabic script (probably spelled that wrong) is predominate, has had RIM service for a while now.
RIM has UTMS-based, CDMA-based, and dual radio-based phones for each and every market there is on the face of the planet. And it sells well because it's the most secure way of communications businesses can buy. Not even the iPhone can touch a BlackBerry, yet, for this reason. It's catching up, but it's still got a lot of security holes to patch.
I think you're underestimating the education of the people in those countries. English is taught as a secondary language because it's used the world over. It's kind of become the "standard language", if you will. If you can afford the monthly service expense of a smartphone with a QWERTY keyboard, you'll have the education to recognize the English alphabet.