You are the only poster here trying to twist the numbers by saying Apple never meet their self-imposed goal because they?re market share is less than 1% of the installed base, as if that is suppose to make sense or that anyone over 10yo would be fooled by your silly and blatant attempt to lie about easily obtainable facts and well understand economic terms.
You may want to sell a couple of your shares and get some reading lessons, I never said anything about Apple not meeting any target, I said Steve used the whole market for his metric. Big difference.
the suit is a tactical miscalculation because it tells the whole world they are desperate. the next Sony.
I'd say.
I highly doubt Apple is going to give Nokia their intellectual property. Apple buried Nokia's 20 years in the phone business inside 3 years. They've swept them away with a paradigm shift.
Unit sales will follow the fulcrum shift.
Nokia's is like dinosaur that had it's brain killed...it's doing to take it a while to realise it's dead. And Apple 'killed' it.
Apple are going to take alot more than 2% of the phone market. They're entering more markets, using more suppliers.
And there's always the annual refresh next year. And they're got 100k plus reason to buy one at the App store.
iPhone is a juggernaut. It's going to make the iPod and it's halo look like chicken feed.
Nokia is going to get run over...knocked clean outta the ring. A stale hardware maker sitting on it's product vs a software platform? Nokia got caught with it's pants down...and Apple booted them right up the ass.
I think he works for the US State Department (if I recall correctly from his having said so in the past; I sincerely apologize in advance if I am wrong about this fact.).
Not sure that, if I were him, I'd be broadcasting that fact in an internet Forum, though.
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Yeah, I was right. From an 11-06-09 thread (notice the arrogance dripping from every sentence):
Originally Posted by Tofino
way to drop the f-bomb all the way from Helsinki! Does everybody in Finland work for Nokia?
sapporobabyrtns' reply: Way to ask a totally inane question based completely in ineptitude. Does someone working for the State Department mean that someone works for Nokia. They are handing out clues. Pick up a box.
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Well, went back into the Sapporobaby fanclub archives to bring this up. Talk about hardly a life.
Anyway, you are not me. There are somethings you continue to broadcast post after post but here we are, so please do not be offended if I ignore many to most of your suggestions.
You may want to sell a couple of your shares and get some reading lessons, I never said anything about Apple not meeting any target, I said Steve used the whole market for his metric. Big difference.
There is a big difference but you aren’t understanding the difference. He used the sales market for 1 year. You didn’t use any market, but instead used the installed base to call Apple a failure and Jobs a liar. I’ve given you the transcript and done the math on this thread to show you how your lies are once again BS. Apple took a 2.28% marketshare for the handset market for Q3-2009. You can dispute it all you want but the facts back me up.
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Mobile phones, just about a billion last year, worldwide. So what does this tell you? What this tells you is, that 1 percent market share equals 10 million units.
What part of that is Jobs claiming that they’d have 1% of the installed base in 1 year? Either you can’t admit when you are wrong or you are seriously unable to comprehend simplest of things.
Umm . . . the iPhone.The device the also-rans are trying furiously to imitate, unsuccessfully. The device that revolutionzed the entire mobile industry overnight. Where have you been the last two years??
Amen.
Where was that guy when S Jobs keynoted the iPhone? It sent a shock wave through the phone industry on day of launch. It blew everyone away. Familiarity may breed contempt. Alot of jealousy. And FUD.
But the iPhone is the closest thing we have to Star Trek tech' until the 'slate' is released.
Apple has systematically dismantled the phone industry.
They blew away the 'pipe' monopolist dictators that have stifled competition.
They blew away the 'hardware' model.
They blew away the old software model.
They made a mobile phone that CAN use a browser, the internet.
They created the App store. Which to date dwarfs any competition by a country mile.
They integrated an iPod and internet brower with a phone that blows the competition out the water.
YOu get a proper OS on it.
You get a proper browser on it.
It has multitouch that actually works.
They did all of this while Nokia and Sony and MS were busy fighting over yesterday's ideas.
It's only a matter of time before Unit sales blow the rest away. Rim 1st. But Apple are going to take Nokia down. Limb by limb. Nokia have had to shut their flagship store. And isn't their N-Gage platform in tatters?
Ironically, Apple's iPhone is a games heaven.
Sure. You pay for it. But in this case? You DO get what you pay for.
Have Nokia's patents been tested in a court of law?
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Originally Posted by TBell
Nokia's patents are necessary for any cell phone operator to operate today. Apple's are not.
Survey may say no but that is not important, it's what a court rules.
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns
One simple question:
Can an iPhone work without Nokia's technology? Survey says: NO !!!!!!!!!!!
Can any of Nokia's phones work without Apple's technology? Hell yes....
Suit dismissed. Suck on it Apple. You got caught and have to pay Nokia, but it will not come to that. An exchange of technology will happen and everyone will go their merry way. The only winners are the lawyers.
What part of that is Jobs claiming that they?d have 1% of the installed base in 1 year? Either you can?t admit when you are wrong or you are seriously unable to comprehend simplest of things.
I see I am wasting my time with you, your little shareholder glasses are stopping you from understanding the simple concepts in life. I will say this one last time in the hope you finally understand it, I am not holding my breath though.
I have never questioned Apple meeting their 1% target, never once, not at all. There that is it, either understand that, or just shut up.
Hey it did so well Nokia is dumping Symbian for their high end handsets in favour of Maemo on the N900, their new flagship, well sort of flagship as it's more of an Internet tablet stuck in landscape mode most of the time.
Nokia needs Apple for it's phones as Symbian uses a WebKit based browser, open source developed by Apple.
Fennec is only for Maemo so far, the flagship after the failure of a hundred N95 clones with slightly different features.
Nokia grasping at straws, N-Gage is dead, their flagship stores are closing, London, New York, they pulled out of Japan, they made their first loss in ten years last quarter.
Nokia were knocked from the number one position based on handset revenue by guess who.
A Nokia executive admitted in 2007 that they are proud of copying others.
A dinosaur is slowly dying and all their executives offer is excuses as they slowly go down.
Their big plan to grow smartphone market share?
Dump S40 and filter S60 "Smartphone's" down into the dumb areas of the market, low cost "smartphone's that won't be used as smartphones,
Suck it up fanboy.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
I see I am wasting my time with you, your little shareholder glasses are stopping you from understanding the simple concepts in life. I will say this one last time in the hope you finally understand it, I am not holding my breath though.
I have never questioned Apple meeting their 1% target, never once, not at all. There that is it, either understand that, or just shut up.
Isn't Google already abandoning older Android for their new Google Phone ANDROID...how can anyone keep this straight?
Indeed.
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Originally Posted by Rhetoric.assassin
What interest does google have to update devices that compete against their latest and greatest Google Phone Android..
Actually, quite a bit. If you think that Google is Microsoft, it isn't.
For starters, I don't think Google operatives are as crippled by bureaucratic inertia as Microsoft management is. But the biggest indicator, I feel, that Google will support older non-Google devices is from the simple fact that Google makes money from advertising, not from licensing.
Microsoft's WinMo is crap because Microsoft doesn't really need to care. It gets money up front from the phone sale. For Google, it needs to get that phone to pull users to their advertising, so Google is more apt to maintain support for non-Google phones. As I mentioned before, I think Google executives are just a bit smarter than Microsoft executives and learned the lessons that Microsoft should have learned with their WinMo experience. Microsoft executives seem content to push third-rate duplications of other products, litigate competitors into oblivion, and let their licensing fees simply roll in.
Uh, I don't even think Qualcomm has GSM patents; they are the ones who came up with CDMA for the cell market, and boy did they make a killing with their patents on it.
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Umm... Phones aren't new, they existed before the iPhone, they sold a lot of them as well. Touch screens, nope, they aren't new either. cellphones have had them for a long time, App Store, nope, not new, Apps, not new, acutally they was just a rehash from Apple that everyone else already had. Sure the iPhone was a great thing to come out in the US, but in the last two years Apple hasn't brought anything new to the table, all rehashes of what everyone else was already selling.
Infact, I have seen a grand total of two, maybe three iPhones in the wild in the last two years, in multiple countries, all with over 100% usage, that is including a grand total of one in the last year.
Apple sells music and video material at their iTunes store. Apple gets a cut of the sale, and the label/artist gets a cut. Apple provides the software, tech support, advertising, storage, electricity, and network bandwidth required to fulfill the purchase. Those components all cost money.
If Apple then offers material for people to download for free, they are assuming all the associated costs necessary to do so. Apple is GIVING YOU ALL OF THAT, FOR FREE.
You continue to waste everyone's time with your willful stupidity. Either that or you are simply a forum troll, and seek some perverse pleasure with your incessant mosquito bites attempting to point out some pedantic technicality or a trivial weakness of Apple and their products. You are the noise to everyone else's signal. You now have a post count exceeding 6400, of which the vast majority are childish one-liners seeking a response just for the sake of provocation. There are many people who have expressed exasperation or outright disgust with your antics. It's not just me.
Don't you think it's time for a little introspection?
the music companies absorb 100 percent of all song/video related promotions . apple does not and CANNOT ever give anything away for free .
Except when when you bought the 1 billionth song . and even then its apple products given away /
concerning your attack on teckstud >> you make some valid tired points
i simply wish you would PM him or give the whole picture
STAY WITH ME HERE.
TS is one single poster who makes or cracks scores of caustic/funny one liners . SAND in the eye type posts , no ??
YET if your attack on my buddy is true then WHAT does that say about the 2 or 3 dozen posters who follow him around again and again responding to him ?? How stupid moronic is it to respond over and over to such a terrible dude you so describe .??
takes two to tangle ?? NO ??
and the owner of this site engages and defends TS style in multiple recent posts .
why o why ??
TS is needed because he stirs the pot and brings eyeballs to AI . AND AI sells ads .. no ??
And all these lifeless white skinned nerds do need a foil like TS to daily rage against . no ??
re write your fine worded post to include the whole truth .
if not then you have wasted one of the best post's I have read IN A WHILE .
Comments
You are the only poster here trying to twist the numbers by saying Apple never meet their self-imposed goal because they?re market share is less than 1% of the installed base, as if that is suppose to make sense or that anyone over 10yo would be fooled by your silly and blatant attempt to lie about easily obtainable facts and well understand economic terms.
You may want to sell a couple of your shares and get some reading lessons, I never said anything about Apple not meeting any target, I said Steve used the whole market for his metric. Big difference.
the suit is a tactical miscalculation because it tells the whole world they are desperate. the next Sony.
I'd say.
I highly doubt Apple is going to give Nokia their intellectual property. Apple buried Nokia's 20 years in the phone business inside 3 years. They've swept them away with a paradigm shift.
Unit sales will follow the fulcrum shift.
Nokia's is like dinosaur that had it's brain killed...it's doing to take it a while to realise it's dead. And Apple 'killed' it.
Apple are going to take alot more than 2% of the phone market. They're entering more markets, using more suppliers.
And there's always the annual refresh next year. And they're got 100k plus reason to buy one at the App store.
iPhone is a juggernaut. It's going to make the iPod and it's halo look like chicken feed.
Nokia is going to get run over...knocked clean outta the ring. A stale hardware maker sitting on it's product vs a software platform? Nokia got caught with it's pants down...and Apple booted them right up the ass.
Lemon Bon Bon.
I think he works for the US State Department (if I recall correctly from his having said so in the past; I sincerely apologize in advance if I am wrong about this fact.).
Not sure that, if I were him, I'd be broadcasting that fact in an internet Forum, though.
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Yeah, I was right. From an 11-06-09 thread (notice the arrogance dripping from every sentence):
Originally Posted by Tofino
way to drop the f-bomb all the way from Helsinki! Does everybody in Finland work for Nokia?
sapporobabyrtns' reply: Way to ask a totally inane question based completely in ineptitude. Does someone working for the State Department mean that someone works for Nokia. They are handing out clues. Pick up a box.
-------
Well, went back into the Sapporobaby fanclub archives to bring this up. Talk about hardly a life.
Anyway, you are not me. There are somethings you continue to broadcast post after post but here we are, so please do not be offended if I ignore many to most of your suggestions.
You may want to sell a couple of your shares and get some reading lessons, I never said anything about Apple not meeting any target, I said Steve used the whole market for his metric. Big difference.
There is a big difference but you aren’t understanding the difference. He used the sales market for 1 year. You didn’t use any market, but instead used the installed base to call Apple a failure and Jobs a liar. I’ve given you the transcript and done the math on this thread to show you how your lies are once again BS. Apple took a 2.28% marketshare for the handset market for Q3-2009. You can dispute it all you want but the facts back me up.
Mobile phones, just about a billion last year, worldwide. So what does this tell you? What this tells you is, that 1 percent market share equals 10 million units.
What part of that is Jobs claiming that they’d have 1% of the installed base in 1 year? Either you can’t admit when you are wrong or you are seriously unable to comprehend simplest of things.
Umm . . . the iPhone.The device the also-rans are trying furiously to imitate, unsuccessfully. The device that revolutionzed the entire mobile industry overnight. Where have you been the last two years??
Amen.
Where was that guy when S Jobs keynoted the iPhone? It sent a shock wave through the phone industry on day of launch. It blew everyone away. Familiarity may breed contempt. Alot of jealousy. And FUD.
But the iPhone is the closest thing we have to Star Trek tech' until the 'slate' is released.
Apple has systematically dismantled the phone industry.
They blew away the 'pipe' monopolist dictators that have stifled competition.
They blew away the 'hardware' model.
They blew away the old software model.
They made a mobile phone that CAN use a browser, the internet.
They created the App store. Which to date dwarfs any competition by a country mile.
They integrated an iPod and internet brower with a phone that blows the competition out the water.
YOu get a proper OS on it.
You get a proper browser on it.
It has multitouch that actually works.
They did all of this while Nokia and Sony and MS were busy fighting over yesterday's ideas.
It's only a matter of time before Unit sales blow the rest away. Rim 1st. But Apple are going to take Nokia down. Limb by limb. Nokia have had to shut their flagship store. And isn't their N-Gage platform in tatters?
Ironically, Apple's iPhone is a games heaven.
Sure. You pay for it. But in this case? You DO get what you pay for.
iPhone. You had me at 'hello.'
Lemon Bon Bon.
According to who?
Have Nokia's patents been tested in a court of law?
Nokia's patents are necessary for any cell phone operator to operate today. Apple's are not.
Survey may say no but that is not important, it's what a court rules.
One simple question:
Can an iPhone work without Nokia's technology? Survey says: NO !!!!!!!!!!!
Can any of Nokia's phones work without Apple's technology? Hell yes....
Suit dismissed. Suck on it Apple. You got caught and have to pay Nokia, but it will not come to that. An exchange of technology will happen and everyone will go their merry way. The only winners are the lawyers.
What part of that is Jobs claiming that they?d have 1% of the installed base in 1 year? Either you can?t admit when you are wrong or you are seriously unable to comprehend simplest of things.
I see I am wasting my time with you, your little shareholder glasses are stopping you from understanding the simple concepts in life. I will say this one last time in the hope you finally understand it, I am not holding my breath though.
I have never questioned Apple meeting their 1% target, never once, not at all. There that is it, either understand that, or just shut up.
That was a massive success...
...not!
Hey it did so well Nokia is dumping Symbian for their high end handsets in favour of Maemo on the N900, their new flagship, well sort of flagship as it's more of an Internet tablet stuck in landscape mode most of the time.
Nokia needs Apple for it's phones as Symbian uses a WebKit based browser, open source developed by Apple.
Fennec is only for Maemo so far, the flagship after the failure of a hundred N95 clones with slightly different features.
Nokia grasping at straws, N-Gage is dead, their flagship stores are closing, London, New York, they pulled out of Japan, they made their first loss in ten years last quarter.
Nokia were knocked from the number one position based on handset revenue by guess who.
A Nokia executive admitted in 2007 that they are proud of copying others.
A dinosaur is slowly dying and all their executives offer is excuses as they slowly go down.
Their big plan to grow smartphone market share?
Dump S40 and filter S60 "Smartphone's" down into the dumb areas of the market, low cost "smartphone's that won't be used as smartphones,
Suck it up fanboy.
I see I am wasting my time with you, your little shareholder glasses are stopping you from understanding the simple concepts in life. I will say this one last time in the hope you finally understand it, I am not holding my breath though.
I have never questioned Apple meeting their 1% target, never once, not at all. There that is it, either understand that, or just shut up.
Are they?
According to who?
Have Nokia's patents been tested in a court of law?
According to every phone manufacturer?
Have Apple pattents been tested in a court?
btw why did Nokia pay Qualcomm $2.6 billion again?
Wasn't it something to do with infringing Qualcomm's patents, including their GSM ones?
Hasn't Apple paid Qualcomm licensing fees?
Can a GSM phone work based solely on Qualcomm's patents?
What about Apple's work with Quicktime?
Do those codecs work over a GSM network without using Nokia's codecs?
It's not all black and white you know, where is the proof that Nokia's technology is essential?
Does Apple have licensing agreements with Ericsson, Motorola, Siemens, Phillips or any of the other players?
Does their technology allow for bypassing Nokia's "essential" technology?
Lot's of questions and it's up to the courts to decide them.
According to every phone manufacturer?
Have Apple pattents been tested in a court?
Another couple of people for my ignore list. Congratulations guys.
Isn't Google already abandoning older Android for their new Google Phone ANDROID...how can anyone keep this straight?
Indeed.
What interest does google have to update devices that compete against their latest and greatest Google Phone Android..
Actually, quite a bit. If you think that Google is Microsoft, it isn't.
For starters, I don't think Google operatives are as crippled by bureaucratic inertia as Microsoft management is. But the biggest indicator, I feel, that Google will support older non-Google devices is from the simple fact that Google makes money from advertising, not from licensing.
Microsoft's WinMo is crap because Microsoft doesn't really need to care. It gets money up front from the phone sale. For Google, it needs to get that phone to pull users to their advertising, so Google is more apt to maintain support for non-Google phones. As I mentioned before, I think Google executives are just a bit smarter than Microsoft executives and learned the lessons that Microsoft should have learned with their WinMo experience. Microsoft executives seem content to push third-rate duplications of other products, litigate competitors into oblivion, and let their licensing fees simply roll in.
That's my $0.02. Take it for what you will.
Dunno an' don't care, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this pans out.
btw why did Nokia pay Qualcomm $2.6 billion again?
Nokia didn't pay again, it payed the money owed to Qualcomm and royalties for the next 15 years.
And no, you can't make a phone without licensing patents to Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson, etc. Theay all have essential patents
Isn't Google already abandoning older Android for their new Google Phone ANDROID...how can anyone keep this straight?
Can you explain better this? What is abandoning Google?
For Google, it needs to get that phone to pull users to their advertising, so Google is more apt to maintain support for non-Google phones..
Google doesn't have to support anything, when a new version of Android is released, phone manufactures can compile it and adapt it for their handsets
Didn't Apple get together with Qualcomm to develop codecs specifically for streaming over networks for Quicktime?
How do we know Nokia didn't use those codecs or the same idea in their patents?
Wouldn't that make that specific claim invalid?
Nokia didn't pay again, it payed the money owed to Qualcomm and royalties for the next 15 years.
And no, you can't make a phone without licensing patents to Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson, etc. Theay all have essential patents
Proof?
Proof of what?
Umm... Phones aren't new, they existed before the iPhone, they sold a lot of them as well. Touch screens, nope, they aren't new either. cellphones have had them for a long time, App Store, nope, not new, Apps, not new, acutally they was just a rehash from Apple that everyone else already had. Sure the iPhone was a great thing to come out in the US, but in the last two years Apple hasn't brought anything new to the table, all rehashes of what everyone else was already selling.
Infact, I have seen a grand total of two, maybe three iPhones in the wild in the last two years, in multiple countries, all with over 100% usage, that is including a grand total of one in the last year.
The trick is to quit while you are still ahead.
...no, you can't make a phone without licensing patents to Nokia...
Proof of what?
Stay with me here:
Apple sells music and video material at their iTunes store. Apple gets a cut of the sale, and the label/artist gets a cut. Apple provides the software, tech support, advertising, storage, electricity, and network bandwidth required to fulfill the purchase. Those components all cost money.
If Apple then offers material for people to download for free, they are assuming all the associated costs necessary to do so. Apple is GIVING YOU ALL OF THAT, FOR FREE.
You continue to waste everyone's time with your willful stupidity. Either that or you are simply a forum troll, and seek some perverse pleasure with your incessant mosquito bites attempting to point out some pedantic technicality or a trivial weakness of Apple and their products. You are the noise to everyone else's signal. You now have a post count exceeding 6400, of which the vast majority are childish one-liners seeking a response just for the sake of provocation. There are many people who have expressed exasperation or outright disgust with your antics. It's not just me.
Don't you think it's time for a little introspection?
the music companies absorb 100 percent of all song/video related promotions . apple does not and CANNOT ever give anything away for free .
Except when when you bought the 1 billionth song . and even then its apple products given away /
concerning your attack on teckstud >> you make some valid tired points
i simply wish you would PM him or give the whole picture
STAY WITH ME HERE.
TS is one single poster who makes or cracks scores of caustic/funny one liners . SAND in the eye type posts , no ??
YET if your attack on my buddy is true then WHAT does that say about the 2 or 3 dozen posters who follow him around again and again responding to him ?? How stupid moronic is it to respond over and over to such a terrible dude you so describe .??
takes two to tangle ?? NO ??
and the owner of this site engages and defends TS style in multiple recent posts .
why o why ??
TS is needed because he stirs the pot and brings eyeballs to AI . AND AI sells ads .. no ??
And all these lifeless white skinned nerds do need a foil like TS to daily rage against . no ??
re write your fine worded post to include the whole truth .
if not then you have wasted one of the best post's I have read IN A WHILE .
PEACE 9