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Wow, what an ASSumption. Being in Finland does not make me a Finn. I just happen to work here at the moment. Whether or not Nokia is the largest, smallest, middle, infinitesimal company in the world is of no consequence to me. They could fold tomorrow and it would not affect me one bit. In short, I do not care. There you go, I saved you the surprise. Can't help you about the ASS.
Which comes as no surprise. And the Finn thing was a jibe anyway - there are few, if any Finns I know that practice the repetitive level of post-adolescent rudeness and general snark that you have posted. That lack of caring about a national company of the size of Nokia sitting next to you where you work is a level ignorance and apathy that is congruent with your overall lack of knowledge.
By the way I do not speak Finnish and could not be bothered to use Google Translate, but I cordially invite you to: Foxtrot, Oscar, Echo, Sierra, Alpha, Delta. From me to you, up close and personal.
Seriously. All you can offer in this most weakest of defenses is FOESAD?? A tired and over-used diatribe. How silly and unimaginative of you. And certainly in no way "up close and personal" my over-amped arrested adolescent. It's like a two-year laying on the ground kicking and yelling - impressive in the amount of energy used but ultimately ineffectual.
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns
Zzzzzzzz..... Sorry. Didn't mean to doze off.... Didn't see anything of interest here. Still waiting though. I'm sure you have it in you to deliver something of value. You just have to believe. I believe in you.
And since you have demonstrated conclusively that you have no means of effectively evaluating real information, this is completely understandable and sad. Very, very sad. The combination of your complete inability to argue coherently, to recognize facts of the ground, or to present any sort of rational and sensible defense of your opinions, seems to indicate either impaired mental ability on the order of Asperger's, or worse some sort of sociopathic displacement or perhaps incoherent rage issues. The rather xenophobic dismissal of you current country of occupancy, its people, history, culture and economics generally support the state of mental disfunction.
For which then I completely and humbly apologize for engaging you in the manner I employed previously. My assumption of coherent rationality was a mistake and I see now that I needed to take a much gentler and more conciliatory approach which would not have so taxed your limited faculties. I withdraw immediately any and all further discussion with you in penitence for my error.
I was sure you seemed to have a soft spot for Nokia.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
I have never signed a contract for any of my Nokia Smartphones, they are smartphones.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
What are you going on about? The smartphone market is Nokia
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Originally Posted by jfanning
I'm not, I asked if the experience he/she was getting from their current phone was twice that of a phone priced half as much. I haven't mentioned a brand there, it was the other user that stated they had an iPhone.
I know for a fact if I was going to purchase an iPhone today, it would cost 4 times what my current phone cost, and the monthly charges would be 2-3 times as high as my current charges. Would I can that much benefit from the iPhone, no I wouldn't, but I am not saying that others will feel the same way.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
You must be confusing me with someone else, I don't have a N97. Infact, just like the iPhone, I don't know anyone that has one.
Again, you seem to be confusing things, Nokia hasn't dumped Symbian for anything, they are using a different OS on one model yes, dumping no.
If they are dumping Symbian like you say, why are you cared. Also, WebKit is open source, so they don't need Apple for it at all.
Not sure what you are trying to say here at all.
Now, your lack of knowledge really comes out, Nokia handset division made a profit, quite a large one, it was NSN that made the loss. Also, they still sell some models of their phones in Japan.
Yes all the metrics changed to revenue because Apple doesn't make a dent in the share otherwise. As a consumer (ie I don't own shares in any company) Apples profits on their devices offends me, enough to make me really think what make of computer I will purchase next will be.
Again, your point? Apple has been copying for years, all companies do it.
I own more Apple products than Nokia products and that makes me a fanboy? For which side?
I was sure you seemed to have a soft spot for Nokia.
So, I own a Nokia smartphone, I have owned several of them actually. And they have all cost less than the Mac Mini, 24" iMac, the two MacBooks, and several iPods I own. So can you please let me know what exactly your point is?
So, I own a Nokia smartphone, I have owned several of them actually. And they have all cost less than the Mac Mini, 24" iMac, the two MacBooks, and several iPods I own. So can you please let me know what exactly your point is?
His point is: Apple can do no wrong ever even when they do. That is just changing the game, and innovation on Apple's part and everyone is simply jealous and picking on Apple for being such a winner. Don't you get it? If you purchase any other brand than an iPhone, you are immediately deemed a fanboy for not goose stepping to the Apple marching music. Also, you must take up residence in Steve Job's pants. Thinking different is not allowed.
His point is: Apple can do no wrong ever even when they do. That is just changing the game, and innovation on Apple's part and everyone is simply jealous and picking on Apple for being such a winner. Don't you get it? If you purchase any other brand than an iPhone, you are immediately deemed a fanboy for not goose stepping to the Apple marching music. Also, you must take up residence in Steve Job's pants. Thinking different is not allowed.
This should clear it up for you.
I have a suggestion: find a forum where people that you respect are posting. Engage them in lively discussion on matters that interest you. Then, you won't come across as a desperately unhappy loser that takes whatever bitter pleasure you can by hanging out where people you loath are, just so you can endlessly repeat the same dimwitted sarcasm that was tired 15 years ago. Which apparently feeds some kind of sick need.
I promise you, you'll feel better. You really don't have to spend time fixated on the things you hate. You can spend time enjoying the things you like. Life is short. Go out and have some fun.
I have a suggestion: find a forum where people that you respect are posting. Engage them in lively discussion on matters that interest you. Then, you won't come across as a desperately unhappy loser that takes whatever bitter pleasure you can by hanging out where people you loath are, just so you can endlessly repeat the same dimwitted sarcasm that was tired 15 years ago. Which apparently feeds some kind of sick need.
I promise you, you'll feel better. You really don't have to spend time fixated on the things you hate. You can spend time enjoying the things you like. Life is short. Go out and have some fun.
Wow. Must have hit a factual nerve. For the record, I do not hate anyone here. How could I? I do not know anyone here and I derive no benefit one way or another from many here. Yes, this is an Apple forum that has a rabid following for a company that is no better than any other company, to include Nokia of which I also own their products. The thing is, I tend to gravitate towards the middle where the truth and many facts reside. You can replace many of the over the top blind followers in this forum with Al Qaeda sympathizers, or holier than though evangelists, or Zionist fundamentalists and come up with the same brand of people who have a blind devotion to a once sided "me right, everyone else wrong" mantra. Could I make my posts a bit softer? Sure, but I don't want to. I rather wade out into the passive-aggressive mix that is pervasive in much of this forum.
Oh, I don't care how I come across to you. Yup, we are now both on the same sheet of music.
Nope, I'll give them whatever they want even the 18 different models of Nokia we currently stock.
You can even buy a Nokia smartphone (E63) and pay $A5 a Mb to use data on PAYG if you want, it's only $A199 (locked) and with network crap all over it.
Nokia's later marketing move seems to flood the market (well here anyway) with models and take up all of the display space.
Meanwhile iPhone's keep marching out the door, you can now get an 8GB free on a $A49 24 month plan.
The HTC Magic and the BB Storm languish, the only Storms we see nowadays are one's going off to repair because they are s%&t.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Cheers for that, I was getting confused.
He has said before that he works in a store that sells phones, he must have a real complex when someone wants to purchase a non Apple phone then...
Nope, I'll give them whatever they want even the 18 different models of Nokia we currently stock.
You can even buy a Nokia smartphone (E63) and pay $A5 a Mb to use data on PAYG if you want, it's only $A199 (locked) and with network crap all over it.
Nokia's later marketing move seems to flood the market (well here anyway) with models and take up all of the display space.
Meanwhile iPhone's keep marching out the door, you can now get an 8GB free on a $A49 24 month plan.
The HTC Magic and the BB Storm languish, the only Storms we see nowadays are one's going off to repair because they are s%&t.
Show your customers love and never sell them a Nokia N97 nor an N97 Mini. They'll thank you for it later.
Sadly nokia is making so many crappy phones . dozens of models . The earth will have to absorb all this toxic pollution one day . Nokia was once a giant proud company , Now it just panders to the lowest of the low .
.The whole world is going green and Nokia is making throw away phones . Nokia is starting to feel like dell . RACING forever to the bottom of cheap products .
Can an iPhone work without Nokia's technology? Survey says: NO !!!!!!!!!!!
Can any of Nokia's phones work without Apple's technology? Hell yes....
Suit dismissed. Suck on it Apple. You got caught and have to pay Nokia, but it will not come to that. An exchange of technology will happen and everyone will go their merry way. The only winners are the lawyers.
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns
Really. Ok all knowing global moderator. Enlighten us with your unsurpassed telecommunications knowledge.
1. Do Nokia phones need Apple invented/developed/designed technology to work? Simple yes or no will do. Key word being: NEED.
2. Does the iPhone need Nokia invented/developed/designed technology to work: Again, a simple yes or no answer will suffice. Once again, the key word being: NEED.
3. While you may want to pontificate and expound, the facts are pretty clear in the questions I asked. Maybe the simplicity of their very nature was lost on a high-brow person such as you.
Clock is ticking. Two answers on deck.
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Originally Posted by Cranky
I just wanted to clarify for everyone else so I translated it for you:
Älä nakata poron paskaa, poika. Se saa heitti takaisin sinulle
Do not toss reindeer shit, son. It may be cast back to you
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns
Beep, beep, beep = the sound of backing up. No matter. I'll play along.
The 10 patents that Nokia is suing for are real, "you need our technology to work" patents that Apple infringed upon. Many to most websites following this have gone on to point out that these are very specific patents that Apple cannot simply brush off. The Apple patents appear to be more dredged up and vague and an attempt to try and level the playing field. The bottom line that many Apple-istas hate to admit is that Apple is no better than any other company and they got caught with their hand in the patent infringement jar. Apple sues people for just suing an icon. This suit is the best thing that could have happened to them. Hopefully it breaks their arrogance.
Now if you will excuse me, I am going back to downloading apps for my iPhone.
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Originally Posted by Cranky
I just wanted to clarify for everyone else so I translated it for you:
Älä nakata poron paskaa, poika. Se saa heitti takaisin sinulle
Do not toss reindeer shit, son. It may be cast back to you
DEAR sapporobabyrtrns;
please re-read your own words dude. Your recent posts are painting you as an agitating TROLL .
dude you= are ACTING LIKE A HAPLESS nasty sarcastic little man . Why even bother coming here and insulting nice innocent people . people who have done no wrong to you . try when you post here to be nice and friendly .AGAIN YOU SEEM KINDA COOL SO PLEASE POST IN A NICE FRIENDLY MANNER WHEN YOU VISIT OUR HOME .
Your points are not clear so no one can address you correctly .And your english is very odd. YOU include single words here and there that mean nothing .
merry christmas dude I hope you can cool your jets and act in a mature way .
Sadly nokia is making so many crappy phones . dozens of models . The earth will have to absorb all this toxic pollution one day . Nokia was once a giant proud company , Now it just panders to the lowest of the low .
.The whole world is going green and Nokia is making throw away phones . Nokia is starting to feel like dell . RACING forever to the bottom of cheap products .
Otherwise a good jab, but you two chose the wrong horse (the environmental horse). Nokia has been the number 1 manufacturer in green and recyclable phones with the industry lead in actually recycling their phones after use (instead of just doing their bit during manufacturin). This has been the case for years (propably ten or so).
Look it up if you don't believe it. At the same time Apple was ranked as one of the least Eco-friendly manufacturers even if only looking at manufacturing (which they have now rectified).
BTW how does this have anything to do with the actual thread? Aren't there any moderators here to try to keep the signal to noise ratio to a minimum? (not that this post is improving it in any way).
The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.
It can be argued that Greenpeace singled out Apple for publicity purposes.
The probable reason Nokia gained so many brownie points among the greenies, is that they no longer harvest forests for woodpulp.
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Originally Posted by jahonen
Otherwise a good jab, but you two chose the wrong horse (the environmental horse). Nokia has been the number 1 manufacturer in green and recyclable phones with the industry lead in actually recycling their phones after use (instead of just doing their bit during manufacturin). This has been the case for years (propably ten or so).
Look it up if you don't believe it. At the same time Apple was ranked as one of the least Eco-friendly manufacturers even if only looking at manufacturing (which they have now rectified).
BTW how does this have anything to do with the actual thread? Aren't there any moderators here to try to keep the signal to noise ratio to a minimum? (not that this post is improving it in any way).
The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.
How many cables does the iPhone ship with? The most any of my phones have come with are, a power cable, data cable, and headphones. And in the last few years that has reduced to just two, and the majority of phones only come with a power cable. Are you saying that Apple is shipping less than one cable?
The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.
It can be argued that Greenpeace singled out Apple for publicity purposes.
The probable reason Nokia gained so many brownie points among the greenies, is that they no longer harvest forests for woodpulp.
Of course you can argue, but what facts do you have to support it? The 2009 report http://www.evertiq.com/news/15198 contains the lates info and endorses Apple for the right direction. Sure it's greenpeace, but if you look at older reports, they quite clearly state why Apple hasn't been in the forefront and why Nokia has. The same criteria had been applied to others. Recycling is not the reason why Apple has been at the back of the list. Apple has been "partially good" at that.
A quote from the 2007 report "Apple was the lowest-ranked electronics manufacturer in the last Greenpeace Guide to Greener Electronics, but makes the biggest jump this time, into 10th place, thanks to pressure from Apple fans around the world through the Green my Apple campaign. " Pretty much how I remembered it from back then and a good direction.
And yes, Nokia ranked #1 or #2 on all of those reports that I could find whereas Apple ranked from last to mid-field. That was the whole point of the original responce. And why would Greenpeace have picked Apple as the mark back in 2006 "for publicity reasons" since other bigger players were on the same list?
Here's the corresponding page from Nokia: http://www.nokia.com/environment. Green is "fashion of today". But Nokia's been at it for quite a long time.
But, this is so far off topic, that it's time to stop this stream of thought and conclude that both are doing a lot of green stuff nowadays, the original posting about Nokia being an environmental badboy was just badly off the mark (as it would have been for Samsung or SE).
Seriously. All you can offer in this most weakest of defenses is FOESAD?? A tired and over-used diatribe. How silly and unimaginative of you. And certainly in no way "up close and personal" my over-amped arrested adolescent. It's like a two-year laying on the ground kicking and yelling - impressive in the amount of energy used but ultimately ineffectual.
And since you have demonstrated conclusively that you have no means of effectively evaluating real information, this is completely understandable and sad. Very, very sad. The combination of your complete inability to argue coherently, to recognize facts of the ground, or to present any sort of rational and sensible defense of your opinions, seems to indicate either impaired mental ability on the order of Asperger's, or worse some sort of sociopathic displacement or perhaps incoherent rage issues. The rather xenophobic dismissal of you current country of occupancy, its people, history, culture and economics generally support the state of mental disfunction.
For which then I completely and humbly apologize for engaging you in the manner I employed previously. My assumption of coherent rationality was a mistake and I see now that I needed to take a much gentler and more conciliatory approach which would not have so taxed your limited faculties. I withdraw immediately any and all further discussion with you in penitence for my error.
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Wow, what an ASSumption. Being in Finland does not make me a Finn. I just happen to work here at the moment. Whether or not Nokia is the largest, smallest, middle, infinitesimal company in the world is of no consequence to me. They could fold tomorrow and it would not affect me one bit. In short, I do not care. There you go, I saved you the surprise. Can't help you about the ASS.
Which comes as no surprise. And the Finn thing was a jibe anyway - there are few, if any Finns I know that practice the repetitive level of post-adolescent rudeness and general snark that you have posted. That lack of caring about a national company of the size of Nokia sitting next to you where you work is a level ignorance and apathy that is congruent with your overall lack of knowledge.
By the way I do not speak Finnish and could not be bothered to use Google Translate, but I cordially invite you to: Foxtrot, Oscar, Echo, Sierra, Alpha, Delta. From me to you, up close and personal.
Seriously. All you can offer in this most weakest of defenses is FOESAD?? A tired and over-used diatribe. How silly and unimaginative of you. And certainly in no way "up close and personal" my over-amped arrested adolescent. It's like a two-year laying on the ground kicking and yelling - impressive in the amount of energy used but ultimately ineffectual.
Zzzzzzzz..... Sorry. Didn't mean to doze off.... Didn't see anything of interest here. Still waiting though. I'm sure you have it in you to deliver something of value. You just have to believe. I believe in you.
And since you have demonstrated conclusively that you have no means of effectively evaluating real information, this is completely understandable and sad. Very, very sad. The combination of your complete inability to argue coherently, to recognize facts of the ground, or to present any sort of rational and sensible defense of your opinions, seems to indicate either impaired mental ability on the order of Asperger's, or worse some sort of sociopathic displacement or perhaps incoherent rage issues. The rather xenophobic dismissal of you current country of occupancy, its people, history, culture and economics generally support the state of mental disfunction.
For which then I completely and humbly apologize for engaging you in the manner I employed previously. My assumption of coherent rationality was a mistake and I see now that I needed to take a much gentler and more conciliatory approach which would not have so taxed your limited faculties. I withdraw immediately any and all further discussion with you in penitence for my error.
I have never signed a contract for any of my Nokia Smartphones, they are smartphones.
What are you going on about? The smartphone market is Nokia
I'm not, I asked if the experience he/she was getting from their current phone was twice that of a phone priced half as much. I haven't mentioned a brand there, it was the other user that stated they had an iPhone.
I know for a fact if I was going to purchase an iPhone today, it would cost 4 times what my current phone cost, and the monthly charges would be 2-3 times as high as my current charges. Would I can that much benefit from the iPhone, no I wouldn't, but I am not saying that others will feel the same way.
You must be confusing me with someone else, I don't have a N97. Infact, just like the iPhone, I don't know anyone that has one.
Again, you seem to be confusing things, Nokia hasn't dumped Symbian for anything, they are using a different OS on one model yes, dumping no.
If they are dumping Symbian like you say, why are you cared. Also, WebKit is open source, so they don't need Apple for it at all.
Not sure what you are trying to say here at all.
Now, your lack of knowledge really comes out, Nokia handset division made a profit, quite a large one, it was NSN that made the loss. Also, they still sell some models of their phones in Japan.
Yes all the metrics changed to revenue because Apple doesn't make a dent in the share otherwise. As a consumer (ie I don't own shares in any company) Apples profits on their devices offends me, enough to make me really think what make of computer I will purchase next will be.
Again, your point? Apple has been copying for years, all companies do it.
I own more Apple products than Nokia products and that makes me a fanboy? For which side?
I was sure you seemed to have a soft spot for Nokia.
So, I own a Nokia smartphone, I have owned several of them actually. And they have all cost less than the Mac Mini, 24" iMac, the two MacBooks, and several iPods I own. So can you please let me know what exactly your point is?
So, I own a Nokia smartphone, I have owned several of them actually. And they have all cost less than the Mac Mini, 24" iMac, the two MacBooks, and several iPods I own. So can you please let me know what exactly your point is?
His point is: Apple can do no wrong ever even when they do. That is just changing the game, and innovation on Apple's part and everyone is simply jealous and picking on Apple for being such a winner. Don't you get it? If you purchase any other brand than an iPhone, you are immediately deemed a fanboy for not goose stepping to the Apple marching music. Also, you must take up residence in Steve Job's pants. Thinking different is not allowed.
This should clear it up for you.
His point is: Apple can do no wrong ever even when they do. That is just changing the game, and innovation on Apple's part and everyone is simply jealous and picking on Apple for being such a winner. Don't you get it? If you purchase any other brand than an iPhone, you are immediately deemed a fanboy for not goose stepping to the Apple marching music. Also, you must take up residence in Steve Job's pants. Thinking different is not allowed.
This should clear it up for you.
I have a suggestion: find a forum where people that you respect are posting. Engage them in lively discussion on matters that interest you. Then, you won't come across as a desperately unhappy loser that takes whatever bitter pleasure you can by hanging out where people you loath are, just so you can endlessly repeat the same dimwitted sarcasm that was tired 15 years ago. Which apparently feeds some kind of sick need.
I promise you, you'll feel better. You really don't have to spend time fixated on the things you hate. You can spend time enjoying the things you like. Life is short. Go out and have some fun.
This should clear it up for you.
Cheers for that, I was getting confused.
He has said before that he works in a store that sells phones, he must have a real complex when someone wants to purchase a non Apple phone then...
I have a suggestion: find a forum where people that you respect are posting. Engage them in lively discussion on matters that interest you. Then, you won't come across as a desperately unhappy loser that takes whatever bitter pleasure you can by hanging out where people you loath are, just so you can endlessly repeat the same dimwitted sarcasm that was tired 15 years ago. Which apparently feeds some kind of sick need.
I promise you, you'll feel better. You really don't have to spend time fixated on the things you hate. You can spend time enjoying the things you like. Life is short. Go out and have some fun.
Wow. Must have hit a factual nerve. For the record, I do not hate anyone here. How could I? I do not know anyone here and I derive no benefit one way or another from many here. Yes, this is an Apple forum that has a rabid following for a company that is no better than any other company, to include Nokia of which I also own their products. The thing is, I tend to gravitate towards the middle where the truth and many facts reside. You can replace many of the over the top blind followers in this forum with Al Qaeda sympathizers, or holier than though evangelists, or Zionist fundamentalists and come up with the same brand of people who have a blind devotion to a once sided "me right, everyone else wrong" mantra. Could I make my posts a bit softer? Sure, but I don't want to. I rather wade out into the passive-aggressive mix that is pervasive in much of this forum.
Oh, I don't care how I come across to you. Yup, we are now both on the same sheet of music.
You can even buy a Nokia smartphone (E63) and pay $A5 a Mb to use data on PAYG if you want, it's only $A199 (locked) and with network crap all over it.
Nokia's later marketing move seems to flood the market (well here anyway) with models and take up all of the display space.
Meanwhile iPhone's keep marching out the door, you can now get an 8GB free on a $A49 24 month plan.
The HTC Magic and the BB Storm languish, the only Storms we see nowadays are one's going off to repair because they are s%&t.
Cheers for that, I was getting confused.
He has said before that he works in a store that sells phones, he must have a real complex when someone wants to purchase a non Apple phone then...
Nope, I'll give them whatever they want even the 18 different models of Nokia we currently stock.
You can even buy a Nokia smartphone (E63) and pay $A5 a Mb to use data on PAYG if you want, it's only $A199 (locked) and with network crap all over it.
Nokia's later marketing move seems to flood the market (well here anyway) with models and take up all of the display space.
Meanwhile iPhone's keep marching out the door, you can now get an 8GB free on a $A49 24 month plan.
The HTC Magic and the BB Storm languish, the only Storms we see nowadays are one's going off to repair because they are s%&t.
Show your customers love and never sell them a Nokia N97 nor an N97 Mini. They'll thank you for it later.
.The whole world is going green and Nokia is making throw away phones . Nokia is starting to feel like dell . RACING forever to the bottom of cheap products .
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One simple question:
Can an iPhone work without Nokia's technology? Survey says: NO !!!!!!!!!!!
Can any of Nokia's phones work without Apple's technology? Hell yes....
Suit dismissed. Suck on it Apple. You got caught and have to pay Nokia, but it will not come to that. An exchange of technology will happen and everyone will go their merry way. The only winners are the lawyers.
Really. Ok all knowing global moderator. Enlighten us with your unsurpassed telecommunications knowledge.
1. Do Nokia phones need Apple invented/developed/designed technology to work? Simple yes or no will do. Key word being: NEED.
2. Does the iPhone need Nokia invented/developed/designed technology to work: Again, a simple yes or no answer will suffice. Once again, the key word being: NEED.
3. While you may want to pontificate and expound, the facts are pretty clear in the questions I asked. Maybe the simplicity of their very nature was lost on a high-brow person such as you.
Clock is ticking. Two answers on deck.
I just wanted to clarify for everyone else so I translated it for you:
Älä nakata poron paskaa, poika. Se saa heitti takaisin sinulle
Do not toss reindeer shit, son. It may be cast back to you
Beep, beep, beep = the sound of backing up. No matter. I'll play along.
The 10 patents that Nokia is suing for are real, "you need our technology to work" patents that Apple infringed upon. Many to most websites following this have gone on to point out that these are very specific patents that Apple cannot simply brush off. The Apple patents appear to be more dredged up and vague and an attempt to try and level the playing field. The bottom line that many Apple-istas hate to admit is that Apple is no better than any other company and they got caught with their hand in the patent infringement jar. Apple sues people for just suing an icon. This suit is the best thing that could have happened to them. Hopefully it breaks their arrogance.
Now if you will excuse me, I am going back to downloading apps for my iPhone.
I just wanted to clarify for everyone else so I translated it for you:
Älä nakata poron paskaa, poika. Se saa heitti takaisin sinulle
Do not toss reindeer shit, son. It may be cast back to you
DEAR sapporobabyrtrns;
please re-read your own words dude. Your recent posts are painting you as an agitating TROLL .
dude you= are ACTING LIKE A HAPLESS nasty sarcastic little man . Why even bother coming here and insulting nice innocent people . people who have done no wrong to you . try when you post here to be nice and friendly .AGAIN YOU SEEM KINDA COOL SO PLEASE POST IN A NICE FRIENDLY MANNER WHEN YOU VISIT OUR HOME .
Your points are not clear so no one can address you correctly .And your english is very odd. YOU include single words here and there that mean nothing .
merry christmas dude I hope you can cool your jets and act in a mature way .
peace 9
go finland
Sadly nokia is making so many crappy phones . dozens of models . The earth will have to absorb all this toxic pollution one day . Nokia was once a giant proud company , Now it just panders to the lowest of the low .
.The whole world is going green and Nokia is making throw away phones . Nokia is starting to feel like dell . RACING forever to the bottom of cheap products .
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Exactly.
Exactly.
Otherwise a good jab, but you two chose the wrong horse (the environmental horse). Nokia has been the number 1 manufacturer in green and recyclable phones with the industry lead in actually recycling their phones after use (instead of just doing their bit during manufacturin). This has been the case for years (propably ten or so).
Look it up if you don't believe it. At the same time Apple was ranked as one of the least Eco-friendly manufacturers even if only looking at manufacturing (which they have now rectified).
BTW how does this have anything to do with the actual thread? Aren't there any moderators here to try to keep the signal to noise ratio to a minimum? (not that this post is improving it in any way).
Regs, Jarkko
http://www.apple.com/recycling/
The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.
It can be argued that Greenpeace singled out Apple for publicity purposes.
The probable reason Nokia gained so many brownie points among the greenies, is that they no longer harvest forests for woodpulp.
Otherwise a good jab, but you two chose the wrong horse (the environmental horse). Nokia has been the number 1 manufacturer in green and recyclable phones with the industry lead in actually recycling their phones after use (instead of just doing their bit during manufacturin). This has been the case for years (propably ten or so).
Look it up if you don't believe it. At the same time Apple was ranked as one of the least Eco-friendly manufacturers even if only looking at manufacturing (which they have now rectified).
BTW how does this have anything to do with the actual thread? Aren't there any moderators here to try to keep the signal to noise ratio to a minimum? (not that this post is improving it in any way).
Regs, Jarkko
It can be argued that Greenpeace singled out Apple for publicity purposes.
Haven't they admitted they go after Apple harder do their high profile and boutique-like business model?
How long have Apple been running recycling programs?
http://www.apple.com/recycling/
Is that an international programme?
The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.
How many cables does the iPhone ship with? The most any of my phones have come with are, a power cable, data cable, and headphones. And in the last few years that has reduced to just two, and the majority of phones only come with a power cable. Are you saying that Apple is shipping less than one cable?
How long have Apple been running recycling programs?
http://www.apple.com/recycling/
The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.
It can be argued that Greenpeace singled out Apple for publicity purposes.
The probable reason Nokia gained so many brownie points among the greenies, is that they no longer harvest forests for woodpulp.
Of course you can argue, but what facts do you have to support it? The 2009 report http://www.evertiq.com/news/15198 contains the lates info and endorses Apple for the right direction. Sure it's greenpeace, but if you look at older reports, they quite clearly state why Apple hasn't been in the forefront and why Nokia has. The same criteria had been applied to others. Recycling is not the reason why Apple has been at the back of the list. Apple has been "partially good" at that.
A quote from the 2007 report "Apple was the lowest-ranked electronics manufacturer in the last Greenpeace Guide to Greener Electronics, but makes the biggest jump this time, into 10th place, thanks to pressure from Apple fans around the world through the Green my Apple campaign. " Pretty much how I remembered it from back then and a good direction.
And yes, Nokia ranked #1 or #2 on all of those reports that I could find whereas Apple ranked from last to mid-field. That was the whole point of the original responce. And why would Greenpeace have picked Apple as the mark back in 2006 "for publicity reasons" since other bigger players were on the same list?
Here's the corresponding page from Nokia: http://www.nokia.com/environment. Green is "fashion of today". But Nokia's been at it for quite a long time.
But, this is so far off topic, that it's time to stop this stream of thought and conclude that both are doing a lot of green stuff nowadays, the original posting about Nokia being an environmental badboy was just badly off the mark (as it would have been for Samsung or SE).
Regs, Jarkko
Seriously. All you can offer in this most weakest of defenses is FOESAD?? A tired and over-used diatribe. How silly and unimaginative of you. And certainly in no way "up close and personal" my over-amped arrested adolescent. It's like a two-year laying on the ground kicking and yelling - impressive in the amount of energy used but ultimately ineffectual.
And since you have demonstrated conclusively that you have no means of effectively evaluating real information, this is completely understandable and sad. Very, very sad. The combination of your complete inability to argue coherently, to recognize facts of the ground, or to present any sort of rational and sensible defense of your opinions, seems to indicate either impaired mental ability on the order of Asperger's, or worse some sort of sociopathic displacement or perhaps incoherent rage issues. The rather xenophobic dismissal of you current country of occupancy, its people, history, culture and economics generally support the state of mental disfunction.
For which then I completely and humbly apologize for engaging you in the manner I employed previously. My assumption of coherent rationality was a mistake and I see now that I needed to take a much gentler and more conciliatory approach which would not have so taxed your limited faculties. I withdraw immediately any and all further discussion with you in penitence for my error.
Well said!