I probably shouldn't even respond to one of your posts, but I feel this is completely wrong. The MBP is not going to be replaced by a tablet and I can only hope that your reference to the supposed name of said tablet is just as incorrect as the rest of your post.
No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.
It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.
I just hope that they retail this at a reasonable price point. Doesn't mean I'm even in the market for one but I'm more likely to consider its benefits if they don't get "Out Of Control" price wise..
No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.
It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.
Inform us as to what changed to make typing on a 10? piece of glass with either your hands held out in front or bending over to look at half a display that isn?t covered by a virtual keyboard more viable than a physical keyboard in a natural palm resting position with the larger than 10? display set naturally in front of our eyes?
Using the Iphone OS would be very disappointing and limit the usefulness of the device. I would much prefer a touch version of snow leopard with an Iphone emulator.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?
It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.
No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.
It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.
You do like to ignore its recent redesign don't you? You often bring up its removable battery even though the new unibody macbook doesn't have one. It's like you have completely erased ithe unibody macbooks existence from your memory because it doesn't fit your perception of the world. Why would they redesign the macbook if they were phasing it out? Perhaps they thought about it (they left it stagnant for a long time) but they're clearly committed to it for the time being.
Long term, very long term, touch could replace cursor input as the primary means of interacting with a computer, but that has little to do with this tablet.
edit; For the record Apple often has limited models after a redesign. They add more selection during the minor refreshes to keep things "fresh". New refresh could have black macbook, or even nano colours.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?
It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.
They don't run on the same processor architecture. One runs on ARM and the other runs on x86. Since we're talking about an ARM processor and no one thinks that x86 is suited for the power efficiency of a tablet, that's why we're thinking it'll run some sort of modified version of iPhone OS. On top of that, applications can't be just ported over that easily, they have to be rewritten to be able to run on ARM. So that's why we're currently using mobile Safari, Mail, and Calendar on the iPhone. iWork *may* or may not come to ARM and iPhone OS. Really depends on whether Apple wants to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. And so will Word... Microsoft will also have to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. So I don't imagine an ARM version of Office happening anytime soon.
Even Apple hasn't found a way to abstract processor architectures yet.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?
It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.
Why not make versions specifically optimized for the tablet? Wouldn't that be better?
The iPhone OS *is* a slightly watered down (but proper) version of OS-X.
It's 100% OS-X with a few things that don't make sense in the new context removed, and a GUI that's "proper" for the new hardware.
For me, apart from multi-tasking, of course, there is no proper OS without proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns. So iPhone OS is on another planet from Mac OS, in my dictionary that is Something closer to Mac OS would make the Tablet feel more like a computer rather than a phone/ereader. But I'm not 100% sure Apple intend the Tablet to be the way I want it to be.
Of course apps will be delivered through the AppStore. Android's recent phishing problems are EXACTLY why a closed ecosystem is a good idea.
A iSlate not connected to a cell carrier should be allowed to run apps outside of the App Store without jail breaking the device.
Also the iPod Touch should be allowed to run apps from other sources since it doesn't even have a phone.
But Apple won't allow it because they like the control and profit potential the carriers security excuse has given them. And they created this App Store ecosystem that it's hard to inform people otherwise about apps not in the App Store.
For me, apart from multi-tasking, of course, there is no proper OS without proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns. So iPhone OS is on another planet from Mac OS, in my dictionary that is Something closer to Mac OS would make the Tablet feel more like a computer rather than a phone/ereader. But I'm not 100% sure Apple intend the Tablet to be the way I want it to be.
The iPhone OS does support multi-tasking. Apple just has not exposed the functionality because the iPhone CPU is not powerful enough. An iSlate with a more powerful CPU (or even future more powerful versions of the iPhone) could easily do multi-tasking.
The "proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns" are just UI components. The iPhone is limited by its screen size. "Proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns" would not work on a small screen. With a much larger screen it is possible to have a more advanced UI on the iSlate.
Running the Snow Leopard UI on a 10" touch based tablet would be a horrid user experience.
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Originally Posted by Carniphage
Putting Mac OS X on a tablet is like putting a steering wheel on a motorcycle.
Using the same logic, putting iPhone OS on a tablet is like putting a joystick on a motorcycle.
The assumption is putting the iPhone OS on the iSlate means the exact same UI on both devices but I don't think this is true. The iSlate is a much larger than the iPhone. The constraints are therefore different. Maybe Apps won't all be fullscreen and multiple Apps are visible simultaneously. The iSlate's UI will probably be very similar to the iPhone as they are both touch based, but there will almost certainly be differences.
Inform us as to what changed to make typing on a 10? piece of glass with either your hands held out in front or bending over to look at half a display that isn?t covered by a virtual keyboard more viable than a physical keyboard in a natural palm resting position with the larger than 10? display set naturally in front of our eyes?
I don't believe a touch screen can ever fully replace the keyboard. If you are typing a long document you definitely want a keyboard. However, Apple could one day release a version of the iSlate with a physical keyboard. ie a laptop with a touch screen running the same UI as the iSlate.
I don't believe a touch screen can ever fully replace the keyboard. If you are typing a long document you definitely want a keyboard. However, Apple could one day release a version of the iSlate with a physical keyboard. ie a laptop with a touch screen running the same UI as the iSlate.
I wish people would stop being so wedded to their ideas about OS X. vs the iPhone OS. They are not different in the way that Windows and Windows CE are different; the latter is a device optimized version of the former.
If Apple makes another device optimized version of OS X for a tablet, that isn't necessarily a lesser, compromised OS. It's just an OS that is tailored for the hardware and use case at hand.
Although it would of course be nice to be able to run all your OS X apps on a slate, that was never going to happen, because a) your OS X apps aren't suited to running on a touch interface, b) Intel architecture isn't suited to running on a small device while maintaing great battery life, and c) even if (a) and (b) weren't in play, there are plenty of processor intensive OS X apps that would run horribly on a small, processor constrained device.
So at best Apple might be able to rewrite and recompile some of their marquee apps for a slate form factor, and we can all hope that enterprising developers will further extend the platform. In fact, that seems pretty likely.
But a 10" slate that runs "OS X" was never anything but a fantasy, while a 10" slate that runs a highly specialized version of same was always a sure thing.
They don't run on the same processor architecture. One runs on ARM and the other runs on x86. Since we're talking about an ARM processor and no one thinks that x86 is suited for the power efficiency of a tablet, that's why we're thinking it'll run some sort of modified version of iPhone OS. On top of that, applications can't be just ported over that easily, they have to be rewritten to be able to run on ARM. So that's why we're currently using mobile Safari, Mail, and Calendar on the iPhone. iWork *may* or may not come to ARM and iPhone OS. Really depends on whether Apple wants to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. And so will Word... Microsoft will also have to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. So I don't imagine an ARM version of Office happening anytime soon.
Even Apple hasn't found a way to abstract processor architectures yet.
But, they could make a duo compiler. Write once, compile twice with one click, like was done with PPC and Intel.
I think it's a shame that there are no iPhone Apps on Mac's at least!
Run the same widget on your Mac as your iPhone, makes a lot of sense and a reason to "get a Mac".
But alas Apple is not thinking about Mac's future, which makes me think they have something else in mind. Like the iSlate taking over eventually.
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I probably shouldn't even respond to one of your posts, but I feel this is completely wrong. The MBP is not going to be replaced by a tablet and I can only hope that your reference to the supposed name of said tablet is just as incorrect as the rest of your post.
No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.
It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.
No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.
It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.
Inform us as to what changed to make typing on a 10? piece of glass with either your hands held out in front or bending over to look at half a display that isn?t covered by a virtual keyboard more viable than a physical keyboard in a natural palm resting position with the larger than 10? display set naturally in front of our eyes?
No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.
It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.
I don't think the iSlate will take over the MacBook. At least not the first version.
But I do think both iPhone OS and Mac OS X will move up slowly over time.
Using the Iphone OS would be very disappointing and limit the usefulness of the device. I would much prefer a touch version of snow leopard with an Iphone emulator.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?
It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.
No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.
It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.
You do like to ignore its recent redesign don't you? You often bring up its removable battery even though the new unibody macbook doesn't have one. It's like you have completely erased ithe unibody macbooks existence from your memory because it doesn't fit your perception of the world. Why would they redesign the macbook if they were phasing it out? Perhaps they thought about it (they left it stagnant for a long time) but they're clearly committed to it for the time being.
Long term, very long term, touch could replace cursor input as the primary means of interacting with a computer, but that has little to do with this tablet.
edit; For the record Apple often has limited models after a redesign. They add more selection during the minor refreshes to keep things "fresh". New refresh could have black macbook, or even nano colours.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?
It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.
They don't run on the same processor architecture. One runs on ARM and the other runs on x86. Since we're talking about an ARM processor and no one thinks that x86 is suited for the power efficiency of a tablet, that's why we're thinking it'll run some sort of modified version of iPhone OS. On top of that, applications can't be just ported over that easily, they have to be rewritten to be able to run on ARM. So that's why we're currently using mobile Safari, Mail, and Calendar on the iPhone. iWork *may* or may not come to ARM and iPhone OS. Really depends on whether Apple wants to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. And so will Word... Microsoft will also have to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. So I don't imagine an ARM version of Office happening anytime soon.
Even Apple hasn't found a way to abstract processor architectures yet.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?
It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.
Why not make versions specifically optimized for the tablet? Wouldn't that be better?
So the name of Apple's 'iPhone on Steroids' Tablet, coming in two versions, is going to be...
"The Mark McGwire 'Out of the Park' and 'Out of the Park - Pro' Pad!"
The Apple Asterisk
or iSterisk
Why not make versions specifically optimized for the tablet? Wouldn't that be better?
I don’t think most people are going to understand that Apple will have a 4th branch to OS X until they actually see it running on a tablet.
Otherwise known to Apple as a 10" touchscreen Mac.
Right. But I don´t know what´s better: 1) iPhone OS 3 on steroids or 2) trimmed down OSX with App Store.
at the end of the day I vote for the latter.
Maybe this is a chance to try out an OSX App Store.
The iPhone OS *is* a slightly watered down (but proper) version of OS-X.
It's 100% OS-X with a few things that don't make sense in the new context removed, and a GUI that's "proper" for the new hardware.
For me, apart from multi-tasking, of course, there is no proper OS without proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns. So iPhone OS is on another planet from Mac OS, in my dictionary that is
Of course apps will be delivered through the AppStore. Android's recent phishing problems are EXACTLY why a closed ecosystem is a good idea.
A iSlate not connected to a cell carrier should be allowed to run apps outside of the App Store without jail breaking the device.
Also the iPod Touch should be allowed to run apps from other sources since it doesn't even have a phone.
But Apple won't allow it because they like the control and profit potential the carriers security excuse has given them. And they created this App Store ecosystem that it's hard to inform people otherwise about apps not in the App Store.
I'm not one bit surprised.
iPhone OS "extended" + additional hardware specs.
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Originally Posted by Carniphage
Putting Mac OS X on a tablet is like putting a steering wheel on a motorcycle.
Using the same logic, putting iPhone OS on a tablet is like putting a joystick on a motorcycle.
For me, apart from multi-tasking, of course, there is no proper OS without proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns. So iPhone OS is on another planet from Mac OS, in my dictionary that is
The iPhone OS does support multi-tasking. Apple just has not exposed the functionality because the iPhone CPU is not powerful enough. An iSlate with a more powerful CPU (or even future more powerful versions of the iPhone) could easily do multi-tasking.
The "proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns" are just UI components. The iPhone is limited by its screen size. "Proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns" would not work on a small screen. With a much larger screen it is possible to have a more advanced UI on the iSlate.
Running the Snow Leopard UI on a 10" touch based tablet would be a horrid user experience.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carniphage
Putting Mac OS X on a tablet is like putting a steering wheel on a motorcycle.
Using the same logic, putting iPhone OS on a tablet is like putting a joystick on a motorcycle.
The assumption is putting the iPhone OS on the iSlate means the exact same UI on both devices but I don't think this is true. The iSlate is a much larger than the iPhone. The constraints are therefore different. Maybe Apps won't all be fullscreen and multiple Apps are visible simultaneously. The iSlate's UI will probably be very similar to the iPhone as they are both touch based, but there will almost certainly be differences.
Inform us as to what changed to make typing on a 10? piece of glass with either your hands held out in front or bending over to look at half a display that isn?t covered by a virtual keyboard more viable than a physical keyboard in a natural palm resting position with the larger than 10? display set naturally in front of our eyes?
I don't believe a touch screen can ever fully replace the keyboard. If you are typing a long document you definitely want a keyboard. However, Apple could one day release a version of the iSlate with a physical keyboard. ie a laptop with a touch screen running the same UI as the iSlate.
I don't believe a touch screen can ever fully replace the keyboard. If you are typing a long document you definitely want a keyboard. However, Apple could one day release a version of the iSlate with a physical keyboard. ie a laptop with a touch screen running the same UI as the iSlate.
Optional wireless rollup keyboard.
If Apple makes another device optimized version of OS X for a tablet, that isn't necessarily a lesser, compromised OS. It's just an OS that is tailored for the hardware and use case at hand.
Although it would of course be nice to be able to run all your OS X apps on a slate, that was never going to happen, because a) your OS X apps aren't suited to running on a touch interface, b) Intel architecture isn't suited to running on a small device while maintaing great battery life, and c) even if (a) and (b) weren't in play, there are plenty of processor intensive OS X apps that would run horribly on a small, processor constrained device.
So at best Apple might be able to rewrite and recompile some of their marquee apps for a slate form factor, and we can all hope that enterprising developers will further extend the platform. In fact, that seems pretty likely.
But a 10" slate that runs "OS X" was never anything but a fantasy, while a 10" slate that runs a highly specialized version of same was always a sure thing.
They don't run on the same processor architecture. One runs on ARM and the other runs on x86. Since we're talking about an ARM processor and no one thinks that x86 is suited for the power efficiency of a tablet, that's why we're thinking it'll run some sort of modified version of iPhone OS. On top of that, applications can't be just ported over that easily, they have to be rewritten to be able to run on ARM. So that's why we're currently using mobile Safari, Mail, and Calendar on the iPhone. iWork *may* or may not come to ARM and iPhone OS. Really depends on whether Apple wants to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. And so will Word... Microsoft will also have to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. So I don't imagine an ARM version of Office happening anytime soon.
Even Apple hasn't found a way to abstract processor architectures yet.
But, they could make a duo compiler. Write once, compile twice with one click, like was done with PPC and Intel.
I think it's a shame that there are no iPhone Apps on Mac's at least!
Run the same widget on your Mac as your iPhone, makes a lot of sense and a reason to "get a Mac".
But alas Apple is not thinking about Mac's future, which makes me think they have something else in mind. Like the iSlate taking over eventually.
But, they could make a duo compiler. Write once, compile twice with one click, like was done with PPC and Intel.
I think it's a shame that there are no iPhone Apps on Mac's at least!
Run the same widget on your Mac as your iPhone, makes a lot of sense and a reason to "get a Mac".
But alas Apple is not thinking about Mac's future, which makes me think they have something else in mind. Like the iSlate taking over eventually.
You make "single track mind" look like a freeway interchange.