No way in hell I'm going to allow such an inferior piece-o-crap sit on my iPhone. Apple don't do this. You won't be any better than Verizon and RIM if you do. Just because the rest of the country is going socialist, doesn't mean you have you jump on the bandwagon.
Boy, Eric Schmidt must have really ticked Steve Jobs off. First he's kicked off the board, then Apple is looking into doing their own maps, and now this.
As far as Bing is concerned, my experience with Microsoft tells me the further away from their products I stay, the better off I am.
Adding the Bung search engine to our current options of Google and Yahoo is fine. Personally, I think Bung stinks and Yahoo's presentation is terrible. I'll stick with Google until Apple presents us with a compelling alternative.
If there is a choice between an iPhone with Bing as the default search engine and another phone, and THERE IS A CHOICE, I will NOT be buying another iPhone.
Personally, I'm glad there will be more of a choice besides Google and Yahoo. What would be even nicer would be to "install" different search engines. Since pretty much all it would need would be a formatted URL. Sounds easy enough.
As for me, I would never choose Bing. I've tried it a few times, and the way that I search, Google returns the results I'm looking for within the first 3 links 95% of the time. Bing usually makes me click on two links to get to something relevant to what I was actually looking for. I understand that there are those Bing works better for, and am glad that there will be that choice. I just hope for more than just three with the ability to add your own, but that would be very un-Apple like.
Though, for your comment, the term "Cut off your nose in spite your face" comes to mind. Yes, Bing may be shipped as the default. You can easily change it to Google or Yahoo. Much like IE in windows, or Google in Chrome. First thing I do with any web browser on any OS is change its default search provider to the one I like the most.
I think this is a bad move. It's sort of ironic, really. Apple's brand is typically underestimated and misunderstood by competitors. Their competition has been trying to out-Mac them for a decade. We all know the story...Apple innovates, other's imitate. Sometimes the imitation is even better than the Apple product in some ways...but it never can gain ground.
The iPhone is the perfect example. Various companies make great phones--some with better features than the iPhone. The Nexus might even be a better piece of hardware, overall. But, the iPhone is more than the sum of its parts, as most Apple products seem to be.
But here, we have something has never faced before: A brand that is even stronger than theirs! This has never happened before. They've had competitors with deep pockets, large market share, etc. But they've always found way to carve out their market, get a foothold, and begin to "win." Taking on Google is a lot different. The Google Search is the Apple of search engines. Google has become a verb to almost any internet savvy person. It's ubiquitous.
According to that link, Google has a 65% share. I've seen estimates as high as 90%, though. Either way, Google has nearly 3/4 of the market. I think Apple may be making a huge mistake taking on the global phenomenon that is Google. Not even Apple, with its undisputed brand loyalty and cult-like following, will be be able to out-Google them.
I've never really used Bing myself - other than a quick test - and stick with Google for searches. I would just as soon see Microsoft collapse into the low-margin end of the software business and leave innovation and standards-setting to others. Having said that, I offer three articles about Bing, good and bad:
Microsoft to delete Bing users' IP addresses after 6 months
The only good thing I can say about Bing is, as an underdog, it will keep Google on its toes. (Should Bing become the dominant search engine, I fully expect Microsoft to resume their usual thuggish behavior and use it to manipulate the rest of the computing world like they did when IE was the dominant browser.) Yahoo is really in no position to challenge Google, and the 'Do No Evil' claim is starting to sound hollow.
I had high hopes for Bing. Catchy name, nice new web site, and the new features sounded great. Then I started using it and wasn't finding the results I needed as with Google so I switched back to Google as my default for Windows 7 IE8.
Maybe they'll improve and maybe I'll switch back. Safari should allow you to switch search providers (I haven't looked on whether you can do it or not so correct me if I'm wrong), so if you want Bing then you can default to it.
We really don't want Bing! Google have become the primary search engine for a reason... it's good! Just because they have cornered the market in online advertising that doesn't mean Mac and iPhone users should be moved away by default out of spite.
Safari should allow you to switch search providers (I haven't looked on whether you can do it or not so correct me if I'm wrong), so if you want Bing then you can default to it.
The deal signed between Yahoo and Microsoft last year will see Yahoo's own search engine taken over and replaced by Bing. There soon won't be a Yahoo search engine.
Microsoft will never do anything good for Apple. Yes, Bing can be added as an option, but never as an only option. Microsoft sucks at everything. I never use anything they make because they all suck!
I think it is more likely that Apple would just be adding Bing to the (short) list of search engines available to Safari.
That is all I got out of it. I don?t think Bing would even be the ?default? search engine yet people are posting that Apple sucks and they?ll buy an Android phone or boycott the company, etc.
That is all I got out of it. I don?t think Bing would even be the ?default? search engine yet people are posting that Apple sucks and they?ll buy an Android phone or boycott the company, etc.
They probably got that idea from the title of the article?
"Apple, Microsoft in talks to make Bing default iPhone search - report"
It didn't say anything about removing google as an option, and I don't think they would go so far as that given the bad blood between Mac users and Widows users, but they could definitely be talking about changing the default.
As long as I can turn Bing off, I don't see this as an issue.
Microsoft will never do anything good for Apple. Yes, Bing can be added as an option, but never as an only option. Microsoft sucks at everything. I never use anything they make because they all suck!
What the f is wrong with these people at Apple?
This is just a rumor, why get so upset about it already? For all we know, some jerk is just making stuff up.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
That is all I got out of it. I don’t think Bing would even be the ‘default’ search engine yet people are posting that Apple sucks and they’ll buy an Android phone or boycott the company, etc.
I agree, there's no point in getting excited or invested into it, most rumors turn out to be off base at best.
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The entire "story" about "this and that" concerning Apple and Google ?
Seems like a smoke screen to me - has all along
Probably designed by Apple/Google to slow down FCC/FTC/etc - and confuse Microsoft
And any "talks" between Apple/Microsoft about Bing ?
Probably Apple's way of getting insider info on Redmond's plans
Like a payback for "things" that happened 25 odd years ago, dig ?
(smile)
BC
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As far as Bing is concerned, my experience with Microsoft tells me the further away from their products I stay, the better off I am.
If there is a choice between an iPhone with Bing as the default search engine and another phone, and THERE IS A CHOICE, I will NOT be buying another iPhone.
Personally, I'm glad there will be more of a choice besides Google and Yahoo. What would be even nicer would be to "install" different search engines. Since pretty much all it would need would be a formatted URL. Sounds easy enough.
As for me, I would never choose Bing. I've tried it a few times, and the way that I search, Google returns the results I'm looking for within the first 3 links 95% of the time. Bing usually makes me click on two links to get to something relevant to what I was actually looking for. I understand that there are those Bing works better for, and am glad that there will be that choice. I just hope for more than just three with the ability to add your own, but that would be very un-Apple like.
Though, for your comment, the term "Cut off your nose in spite your face" comes to mind. Yes, Bing may be shipped as the default. You can easily change it to Google or Yahoo. Much like IE in windows, or Google in Chrome. First thing I do with any web browser on any OS is change its default search provider to the one I like the most.
Anything but Bing!
I promise I'll be good! But please don't force Bing on me!
The iPhone is the perfect example. Various companies make great phones--some with better features than the iPhone. The Nexus might even be a better piece of hardware, overall. But, the iPhone is more than the sum of its parts, as most Apple products seem to be.
But here, we have something has never faced before: A brand that is even stronger than theirs! This has never happened before. They've had competitors with deep pockets, large market share, etc. But they've always found way to carve out their market, get a foothold, and begin to "win." Taking on Google is a lot different. The Google Search is the Apple of search engines. Google has become a verb to almost any internet savvy person. It's ubiquitous.
http://www.businessinsider.com/bing-...ecember-2010-1
According to that link, Google has a 65% share. I've seen estimates as high as 90%, though. Either way, Google has nearly 3/4 of the market. I think Apple may be making a huge mistake taking on the global phenomenon that is Google. Not even Apple, with its undisputed brand loyalty and cult-like following, will be be able to out-Google them.
Microsoft to delete Bing users' IP addresses after 6 months
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...ch-records.ars
By comparison, Google retains its IP data for 9 months. Ideally, those figures should be 0 months.
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Bing's indexing is far behind Google's
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...w-indexing.ars
Worse still, its crawler bot acts like a Denial Of Service attack:
http://blogs.perl.org/users/cpan_tes...-must-die.html
The only good thing I can say about Bing is, as an underdog, it will keep Google on its toes. (Should Bing become the dominant search engine, I fully expect Microsoft to resume their usual thuggish behavior and use it to manipulate the rest of the computing world like they did when IE was the dominant browser.) Yahoo is really in no position to challenge Google, and the 'Do No Evil' claim is starting to sound hollow.
The old phrase about cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.
Maybe they'll improve and maybe I'll switch back. Safari should allow you to switch search providers (I haven't looked on whether you can do it or not
We really don't want Bing! Google have become the primary search engine for a reason... it's good! Just because they have cornered the market in online advertising that doesn't mean Mac and iPhone users should be moved away by default out of spite.
Safari should allow you to switch search providers (I haven't looked on whether you can do it or not
Of course it does!
Why Bing? why not yahoo or something else?
The deal signed between Yahoo and Microsoft last year will see Yahoo's own search engine taken over and replaced by Bing. There soon won't be a Yahoo search engine.
What the f* is wrong with these people at Apple?
I think it is more likely that Apple would just be adding Bing to the (short) list of search engines available to Safari.
That is all I got out of it. I don?t think Bing would even be the ?default? search engine yet people are posting that Apple sucks and they?ll buy an Android phone or boycott the company, etc.
That is all I got out of it. I don?t think Bing would even be the ?default? search engine yet people are posting that Apple sucks and they?ll buy an Android phone or boycott the company, etc.
They probably got that idea from the title of the article?
"Apple, Microsoft in talks to make Bing default iPhone search - report"
It didn't say anything about removing google as an option, and I don't think they would go so far as that given the bad blood between Mac users and Widows users, but they could definitely be talking about changing the default.
As long as I can turn Bing off, I don't see this as an issue.
Microsoft will never do anything good for Apple. Yes, Bing can be added as an option, but never as an only option. Microsoft sucks at everything. I never use anything they make because they all suck!
What the f is wrong with these people at Apple?
This is just a rumor, why get so upset about it already? For all we know, some jerk is just making stuff up.
That is all I got out of it. I don’t think Bing would even be the ‘default’ search engine yet people are posting that Apple sucks and they’ll buy an Android phone or boycott the company, etc.
I agree, there's no point in getting excited or invested into it, most rumors turn out to be off base at best.
I can't believe this is true. Microsoft and Apple in bed together.
The shame!!