Analytics firm spots 50 suspected Apple tablets running iPhone OS 3.2

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  • Reply 61 of 132
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by steve-p View Post


    Suppose the tablet is capable of running both 3.2 and 4.0, and they want to expand the pool of testers purely to test the hardware of the first production units. They could give them tablets running 3.2 without worrying about opening up the full capabilities of the device and O/S to more people that don't need to know about it yet.



    How about the possibility that Apple is not finished with 4.0 nor ready to demonstrate it yet? What if 3.2 has code for the tablet and a couple of new features (that will also filter to the iPhone and Touch), but Apple has something really exciting for 4.0 that they want to wait and demonstrate later (another press opportunity), say just before the Tablet is actually available in stores?



    Tablet demonstrated with 3.2, also available now for iPhone and Touch to tide us over

    4.0 demoed in later February or early March, available in June for all mobile devices.



    Possible, likely? We'll see....
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  • Reply 62 of 132
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Pics of what exactly? the logs? if they really want to lie about it then they can create fake logs too. It wouldn't surprise me that the tablet might be running an OS that identifies itself as iPhone OS 3.2 and it is logical that Apple might be testing existing app with the tablet. There were reports months ago that the tablet will include a simulator that runs iPhone apps. What this guy said is consistent with what we've been reading for the last few months.



    I just meant, don't provide info if your 'source' is top secret. In the web world its meaningless.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mikef View Post


    Are people still hanging onto the belief that this will be a fully-functional device running OS X? Something that could replace a MacBook? I just don't see it.



    Not at all. I have been under the assumption (and probably wrong) that the Tablet OS is very similar to the next generation iPhone OS aka 4.0. So hear it running 3.2 makes it sound much less significant than we hope it would be.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by steve-p View Post


    Suppose the tablet is capable of running both 3.2 and 4.0, and they want to expand the pool of testers purely to test the hardware of the first production units. They could give them tablets running 3.2 without worrying about opening up the full capabilities of the device and O/S to more people that don't need to know about it yet.



    Possible, but not with the event 2 days away. Furthermore to launch a NEW product with software 3.2 sounds like something Microsoft would do.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    OS X, yes. Mac OS X, no. iPhone OS X, no. Tablet OS X, yes. Closer to iPhone OS than to Mac OS, but distinct from the ground up that it is, in it?s own right, a separate OS flavour of the OS X family.



    I really really hope so.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LouisTheXIV View Post


    How innovative indeed, a $1000 oversized iPod touch that has a couple of new apps to read magazines books and newspapers! WOW how exciting!



    What a joke, I really fail to see the how this "tablet" will sell well because I don't see a market for a 10 inch ipod touch that costs 1000 bucks. If that indeed is what it is...then this will be a flop akin to the Cube. I really really hope it isn't, all this hype for that would be extremely anti-climactic.



    If you're correct, big iPod, $1000 bucks, it will fail outright. I wouldn't buy one, and I'm on here every day waiting to see what it is.



    It's pretty safe to say that its more than an iPod touch, and less than $1000.
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  • Reply 63 of 132
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    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    The average computer user in 2010 isn't even a computer user. They are Web/App users. They want the goodies without any of the sweat.



    This is the reason the Tablet will sell well !
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  • Reply 64 of 132
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SirROM View Post


    How about the possibility that Apple is not finished with 4.0 nor ready to demonstrate it yet? What if 3.2 has code for the tablet and a couple of new features (that will also filter to the iPhone and Touch), but Apple has something really exciting for 4.0 that they want to wait and demonstrate later (another press opportunity), say just before the Tablet is actually available in stores?



    Tablet demonstrated with 3.2, also available now for iPhone and Touch to tide us over

    4.0 demoed in later February or early March, available in June for all mobile devices.



    Possible, likely? We'll see....



    Again, a NEW product with software version 3.2 sounds pretty lame. Even though the iPod touch followed this pattern, we assume that the iPod is much more like the iPhone than the Tablet.
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  • Reply 65 of 132
    I'd like to know how these apps collect their information. It's entirely possible that the software has an incorrect user string or Apple doesn't want to give away the identity of some iPhone 3GS Part Two: The Revenge that's currently in development.



    While the timing is suspicious, it doesn't necessarily indicate anything we'll see on Wednesday.



    Just wanted to include a plug for this site, too: http://bit.ly/8mxVDi It has all the information you need about this week's Apple event.
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  • Reply 66 of 132
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    Again, a NEW product with software version 3.2 sounds pretty lame. Even though the iPod touch followed this pattern, we assume that the iPod is much more like the iPhone than the Tablet.



    Good god man, get a grip. A version number doesn't represent what the OS does, only the feature set does. Wait until you see it before you decide a version number sounds lame.



    You are the type of person Microsoft labeled Windows 7 for, since internally it identifies itself as 6.1.



    I swear this forum is filled with idiots...
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  • Reply 67 of 132
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    I have to disagree strongly that Macs are affordable computers.



    If Macs aren?t affordable then how did 3 million afford them in the last 3 months?



    You can?t say something is or isn?t affordable for everyone simply because it?s not in your price range or not something you?d buy. I can afford a great many things that I choose not to buy for various reasons.



    Note that the iPhone, which you say is affordable, costs about 3 to 6x more than a great many people pay for a computer in a 2 year time frame. That doesn?t seem logical to me.



    PS: I?m finding that the $30 data fee for a smartphone is becoming psychologically more acceptable. I?ve had two conversations in the past couple weeks with non-smartphone owners who both essentially said, ?that?s not bad at all? when i mentioned the price of the unlimited data plan.
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  • Reply 68 of 132
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
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    Originally Posted by eAi View Post


    Equally, it's very easy for Apple to hide their IPs by proxying them through another provider (or just buying another block of IPs under another name).



    it's also easy to geo-locate an IP. i even have a free app that does it on my iphone. and if they buy another block of IP's they will still be in Cupertino or they have to set up a secret lab somewhere else. it's not going to be a big secret since the circuits will still run into the Apple campus and everyone will know it
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  • Reply 69 of 132
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    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    Very true. It's crunch time. Apple has to reel in some of this hype they've spread, and get everyone's hopes down in the last hour, in order to impress Wednesday.



    Truly I don't know if its even possible for Apple to please even 50% of the people watching for this announcement, but we'll see.



    I think bogus and Apple impresses with far out stuff. Just hope the pricing isn't $1000, perhaps anither bogus rumor. $1000 for a portable Apple App store gaming device, we think not. Perhaps the pricing will also impress. Just give me some voice to text app and allow the playing of all video codecs throw in a few iWork and facial direct camera, price it at $499 with wifi, a little more for 3G, and call it a day. Now that would surprise. Won't happen, then again if it non carrier exclusive, Apple may want to sell a few billion.
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  • Reply 70 of 132
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shogun View Post


    Have you guys seen this? Exactly how I imagined it.







    Found it here.



    EDIT:

    Full portfolio here. The designer's name is Patrycjucz Brzezinski.



    While it's nice to see fantasy mock-ups like this, it's good to remember that they are fantasies and not actually anything we are likely to see soon.



    Also, there is a lot more to design than making something look cool. This is a bad design even if it were possible with today's materials (it's currently not). Apple will never make a slider tablet because it's just not a good idea. Neither are docking computers in the sense used here.



    Docking mobile computers like the laptop you put in a slot or a fancy dock when you get to work, are 1990's dream machines. In today's wireless world there just isn't any point to them outside of a small niche (business) market.



    The tablet will either dock in the traditional iPhone sense, or (hopefully), sync and recharge wirelessly if they have that functionality ready. There will never be a portable Apple computer that slides into some silly slot on your iMac or has a desktop connection accessory, like a laptop station, as is depicted here. It just won't happen. The world has moved on since 1995.
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  • Reply 71 of 132
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    If Macs aren’t affordable then how did 3 million afford them in the last 3 months?



    You can’t say something is or isn’t affordable for everyone simply because it’s not in your price range or not something you’d buy. I can afford a great many things that I choose not to buy for various reasons.



    Note that the iPhone, which you say is affordable, costs about 3 to 6x more than a great many people pay for a computer in a 2 year time frame. That doesn’t seem logical to me.



    PS: I’m finding that the $30 data fee for a smartphone is becoming psychologically more acceptable. I’ve had two conversations in the past couple weeks with non-smartphone owners who both essentially said, “that’s not bad at all” when i mentioned the price of the unlimited data plan.



    Sigh. 3 million. Great. That's superb. It's excellent. I couldn't be happier because my stock has soared as a result of the continued adoption rate.



    How many PC's last quarter? I'm just going to guess that its around 70 million. Avg price? And how much advertising did those companies do to drive those sales?



    PC's are driven by price. What's wrong with those 70 million, does advertising simply not work on them? Have they not noticed how "cool" and "hip" Macs are?



    No, they can't frigging afford them. Obviously there is more to it than this, but the point is, you can't talk about 3 million Macs as if it has some significant impact on market share.



    Edit: Can I also point out how obnoxious it is to use phrases like, "I can afford a great many things that I choose not to buy..." Would you actually say that to someone in a conversation?
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  • Reply 72 of 132
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post


    it's also easy to geo-locate an IP. i even have a free app that does it on my iphone. and if they buy another block of IP's they will still be in Cupertino or they have to set up a secret lab somewhere else. it's not going to be a big secret since the circuits will still run into the Apple campus and everyone will know it



    Beside most of the time they locate the device using GPS.
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  • Reply 73 of 132
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alandail View Post


    so how does a 3rd party firm track what applications are being downloaded to these devices and what API are they using to ask what kind of device it is?



    If apps are being downloaded, aren't they coming from the Apple iTunes store to the Apple campus?



    And what, besides serving a web page, lets you determine the type of device that's downloading something.



    Also, if there are indeed new business/productivity apps for these devices, where on the net are they going to be downloaded from? For example, if there is multitouch iWork, wouldn't that be preinstalled on the test devices?



    And I love how the site that claims to be giving a detailed breakdown of the whole marketing focus of the tablet refuses to release the screen resolution because they feel it's sensitive information. It couldn't be that it's easily verified as wrong if they give the wrong resolution, could it?





    they are probably testing the final versions of the apps and they will have advertising in them. if the devices are on wifi then it's trivial to find out where they are coming from since every IP is registered and everyone knows exactly where it is in the world and who it belongs to
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  • Reply 74 of 132
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    Sigh. 3 million. Great. That's superb. It's excellent. I couldn't be happier because my stock has soared as a result of the continued adoption rate.



    How many PC's last quarter? I'm just going to guess that its around 70 million. Avg price? And how much advertising did those companies do to drive those sales?



    PC's are driven by price. What's wrong with those 70 million, does advertising simply not work on them? Have they not noticed how "cool" and "hip" Macs are?



    No, they can't frigging afford them. Obviously there is more to it than this, but the point is, you can't talk about 3 million Macs as if it has some significant impact on market share.



    Edit: Can I also point out how obnoxious it is to use phrases like, "I can afford a great many things that I choose not to buy..." Would you actually say that to someone in a conversation?





    Sure, why not? Also, 70 million from how many vendors combined? Apple ships more computers than most singular vendor, and profits more than many of them combined. As a shareholder, thats what I care about. Who cares if they have 3% of the market
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  • Reply 75 of 132
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    Sigh. 3 million. Great. That's superb. It's excellent. I couldn't be happier because my stock has soared as a result of the continued adoption rate.



    How many PC's last quarter? I'm just going to guess that its around 70 million. Avg price? And how much advertising did those companies do to drive those sales?



    PC's are driven by price. What's wrong with those 70 million, does advertising simply not work on them? Have they not noticed how "cool" and "hip" Macs are?



    No, they can't frigging afford them. Obviously there is more to it than this, but the point is, you can't talk about 3 million Macs as if it has some significant impact on market share.



    Why are you under the erroneous impression that Apple is trying to sell to every part of the PC market? Apple?s Macs are priced well for the market they are in. Dell and HP make machines that cost considerably more than other machines they sell, and often have less impressive specs in certain areas than these cheap machines. Can you imagine why?



    By your argument any restaurant that doesn?t sell $69 burgers is not affordable? That a quality steak house is not affordable and can?t be successful if they sell premium Kobe steaks and/or focus on creating an experience for the diners? That simply doesn?t make sense. The number of food units they sell in comparison to the entire world has no baring on the product. Affordability is not even an issue. If you can afford a $400 notebook you can afford a $30 steak, but that doesn?t mean that you are going to.
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  • Reply 76 of 132
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Beside most of the time they locate the device using GPS.





    they test the new device over wifi which goes into the physical network at the apple campus. assume Apple is using NAT. at some point it's going to go to the internet and it will have to pass Apple's firewall and core router where it will pick up Apple's public IP for those devices.



    admob or some other company that collects the metrics just needs to look at the public IP to see exactly where the traffic is coming from.



    even if apple leased another IP range under a different name, the physical circuits still go into the Apple campus unless they have another secret lab somewhere
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  • Reply 77 of 132
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post


    Stop trolling, pmz. I don't bother to read what you write.



    Sure you do else you would not bother responding to him. Rather than clutter up the forums with posts such as this, do this -> http://forums.appleinsider.com/profi...?do=ignorelist
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  • Reply 78 of 132
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dguisinger View Post


    Sure, why not? Also, 70 million from how many vendors combined? Apple ships more computers than most singular vendor, and profits more than many of them combined. As a shareholder, thats what I care about. Who cares if they have 3% of the market



    I don?t get his point at all. Because Apple chooses to make their own OS when Dell, HP et al. can?t or won?t, means that Apple now has to sell more PCs than the rest of the world?s PC market combined in order to be relevant? That makes no sense.
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  • Reply 79 of 132
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post


    The whole test could be to through these kinds of tracking sites off... I would suspect that 4.0 is on the device, but that it will actually run 3.x (sans some of the goodies of 4.x).



    Sure. They are running 3.2 is for testing the hardware.
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  • Reply 80 of 132
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    My guess is that it will be great in multiple ways, but will have infuriating defects, omissions and lockdowns. Just like the iPhone.



    But it will sell for a stupid-high price, and there will be lines overnight filled with giddy fanbois for the press to photograph on launch day.



    Later, Apple will fix some glaring omissions and lower the price. Just like the iPhone.



    Then, over time, they will add basic functionality and the price will still be higher than competitor's tablets, and folks will still buy them, this time crowing about how much it was worth it to spend more money for a basic feature that was intentionally omitted from earlier generations. Just like the iPhone.





    except for the few months after launch, the iphone was never more expensive than competing smartphones. it's still cheaper than a lot of it's competition depending on the carrier
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