How often do I launch Settings? Once or twice a month. It's an operation of no longer, than 20 sec. Producing yellow snow would take much longer. Why are people so inclined to steal.
What did I steal? Violating a EULA isn't theft. Also, just out of curiosity, why do you think Apple should be the sole provider of iPhone Apps, and force people to only buy from their App Store. Do you think it's wrong for there to be other stores to compete with the App Store? I love using the Cydia and Rock stores, I regularly purchase content off them, just as I would from Apple. If you ask me, it seems wrong for Apple to declare it's illegal and wrong for someone to purchase a product not from them.
How often do I launch Settings? Once or twice a month. It's an operation of no longer, than 20 sec. Producing yellow snow would take much longer. Why are people so inclined to steal.
Well in many of our cases, when our battery dwindles down to 20%, we like to be able to quickly lower the backlight, disable 3g and location services, and disable any extra apps using memory. Swiping and toggling 4 switches is much better than having to navigate the settings app, especially for some of us who are away most of the day and don't have many opportunities to charge our phones.
Who gave you right to judge? You can't understand that not all 100K of apps in App Store are made by Apple, you can't handle the simplest phone ever, and you're trying to classify crimes. You stole the intellectual property.
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Also, just out of curiosity, why do you think Apple should be the sole provider of iPhone Apps, and force people to only buy from their App Store. Do you think it's wrong for there to be other stores to compete with the App Store? I love using the Cydia and Rock stores, I regularly purchase content off them, just as I would from Apple. If you ask me, it seems wrong for Apple to declare it's illegal and wrong for someone to purchase a product not from them.
You rock, you rock! 100K of Apple apps. Apple got any rights just because they created iPhone. Not you, thief.
If you ask me, it seems wrong for Apple to declare it's illegal and wrong for someone to purchase a product not from them.
I don?t think that is wrong but it can be annoying. Ultimately I like that they aren?t making their mobile OS a user nightmare by letting any and all apps roam freely. With jailbreaking, which they don?t seem to try hard to prevent, there is an extra hurdle that more technically inclined users go for.
I really don?t want my Mom DLing an OpenSSL app from the App Store because she got it in a text message she thought was for me, then running it not knowing what it is for. These controls are good for the average consumer which is one of the main reasons why the iPhone succeeds where other?s haven?t, but it?s nice there are alternatives for informed users.
Who gave you right to judge? You can't understand that not all 100K of apps in App Store are made by Apple, you can't handle the simplest phone ever, and you're trying to classify crimes. You stole the intellectual property.
Please don't paint all jailbreakers as pirates. I use a jailbroken device but I don't pirate any apps. I buy my apps from the Apple App Store and I use free and paid apps from Cydia.
+1...except I haven't bought anything from Cydia/Rock. Nothing has peaked my interest.
That's quite an interesting thing to say, how about you? It looks to me that you're making judgments too, repeating them ad nauseum, yet you're lashing out at someone else that made their own, whether they are right or not. It's not a good way to persuade.
The very fact that someone would bother to pirate a 99 cent or $1.99 app just illustrates what kind of mentality permeates consumer and geek culture.
Mostly, but not quite.
Maybe somenone bother to pirate a .99 app just because the app store in your country DOESN'T HAVE that app to sell... it's a matter to pirate it or not have it. I'm not saying it's right. I don't think we must burn them all, either.
Some thoughts:
1- Jailbreak IS NOT EQUAL Piracy. Period.
You do have to jailbreak an iPhone in order to pirate apps (it's a premise), but jailbreak is far from the piracy method itself!
Jailbreak is the way to have R/W access to iPhone file system.
Jailbreak installs a "repository ïndex" app on the iPhone (usually Cydia or Icy).
2- The patch required to run pirated apps is one among thousands of packages available in Cydia repository.
(Cydia even warns that you're installing a repository used to spread pireted apps, urging you to don't, but not preventing you from doing so - someone would call this free will).
Equals Jailbreak with piracy is like saying that every iphone user bought it just to use fart applications. Which we all know that's not, .... right?
3- Many of the countries that have official iPhone carriers, have also other carries who doesn't.
Many countries doesn't have laws that forces carriers to legally unlock a phone.
Now, unlock hacks also uses a jailbroked iPhone FW in order to do the magic of allow the use of HW in other carrier. THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD THAT THIS HACK, ITSELF, WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW. IT IS AGAINST APPLE EULA, MAYBE, but frankly, if your phone is not covered by the warranty anymore, for instance, you have the absolute right to install whatever you care - as long as it's free - in a piece of hardware that is yours.
3- In the same way, many of the countries with official iPhone sales have lousy iTunes App Stores, with a few dozen apps, just to say that's there. (Not to justify piracy, but to explain it) Most of the people that pirate apps into iPhone, overseas, are doing so just because the flaws of the App Store. We'll not be naive to say that if they have access to a full app store they would stop pirating, but some of them would.
That said, please allow me to use my country - Brazil - as an example.
There's four major carriers (the WHOLE four major carriers) selling iPhones officially here.
I have one, with a contract from TIM (Italy) carrier. But I also have a GSM SIM from other carrier, who manages to offer long distance calls at a very lower price, so I'd like to be able to make calls from two different carriers. That's why I jailbroke my phone. I have no pirated apps, but I have MessageLog and Snapture, two fine paid apps from Cydia (formerly from Cydia, in the case of Snapture). I also have things like SBSettings ("no way to find something barely similar on App Store", this one's for dummies...). Bottom line: for me, an iPhone without Jailbreak and some of the Apps / Utilities from Cydia, is a totally no go.
My wife have one, too. She have 23 apps installed on it. 15 of those, pirated. None of that 15 are found at the Brazil's app store. The other 8 have been bought from iTunes.
Is she right to do that way? Barely.
What are her options? None.
Sorry the poor english, I just can't stand dummies playing jailbreak/piracy nonsense.
What did I steal? Violating a EULA isn't theft. Also, just out of curiosity, why do you think Apple should be the sole provider of iPhone Apps, and force people to only buy from their App Store. Do you think it's wrong for there to be other stores to compete with the App Store? I love using the Cydia and Rock stores, I regularly purchase content off them, just as I would from Apple. If you ask me, it seems wrong for Apple to declare it's illegal and wrong for someone to purchase a product not from them.
That's one of the areas in which the judge in the Psystar case doesn't agree with you.
Maybe somenone bother to pirate a .99 app just because the app store in your country DOESN'T HAVE that app to sell... it's a matter to pirate it or not have it. I'm not saying it's right. I don't think we must burn them all, either.
Some thoughts:
1- Jailbreak IS NOT EQUAL Piracy. Period.
You do have to jailbreak an iPhone in order to pirate apps (it's a premise), but jailbreak is far from the piracy method itself!
Jailbreak is the way to have R/W access to iPhone file system.
Jailbreak installs a "repository ïndex" app on the iPhone (usually Cydia or Icy).
2- The patch required to run pirated apps is one among thousands of packages available in Cydia repository.
(Cydia even warns that you're installing a repository used to spread pireted apps, urging you to don't, but not preventing you from doing so - someone would call this free will).
Equals Jailbreak with piracy is like saying that every iphone user bought it just to use fart applications. Which we all know that's not, .... right?
3- Many of the countries that have official iPhone carriers, have also other carries who doesn't.
Many countries doesn't have laws that forces carriers to legally unlock a phone.
Now, unlock hacks also uses a jailbroked iPhone FW in order to do the magic of allow the use of HW in other carrier. THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD THAT THIS HACK, ITSELF, WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW. IT IS AGAINST APPLE EULA, MAYBE, but frankly, if your phone is not covered by the warranty anymore, for instance, you have the absolute right to install whatever you care - as long as it's free - in a piece of hardware that is yours.
3- In the same way, many of the countries with official iPhone sales have lousy iTunes App Stores, with a few dozen apps, just to say that's there. (Not to justify piracy, but to explain it) Most of the people that pirate apps into iPhone, overseas, are doing so just because the flaws of the App Store. We'll not be naive to say that if they have access to a full app store they would stop pirating, but some of them would.
That said, please allow me to use my country - Brazil - as an example.
There's four major carriers (the WHOLE four major carriers) selling iPhones officially here.
I have one, with a contract from TIM (Italy) carrier. But I also have a GSM SIM from other carrier, who manages to offer long distance calls at a very lower price, so I'd like to be able to make calls from two different carriers. That's why I jailbroke my phone. I have no pirated apps, but I have MessageLog and Snapture, two fine paid apps from Cydia (formerly from Cydia, in the case of Snapture). I also have things like SBSettings ("no way to find something barely similar on App Store", this one's for dummies...). Bottom line: for me, an iPhone without Jailbreak and some of the Apps / Utilities from Cydia, is a totally no go.
My wife have one, too. She have 23 apps installed on it. 15 of those, pirated. None of that 15 are found at the Brazil's app store. The other 8 have been bought from iTunes.
Is she right to do that way? Barely.
What are her options? None.
Sorry the poor english, I just can't stand dummies playing jailbreak/piracy nonsense.
Cydia, like the x86 project, is being disingenuous. They know very well that the entire purpose of their existence is for people to download pirated apps. They serve no other purpose.
They say what they do in an attempt to stay out of Apple's claws. They attempt to present the information as "educational", and not for what it really is.
The fact that some apps are not found in Brazil's store isn't a good reason to steal them. If there are licensing issues, or some other problem that prevents them from being sold there, you can be sure that it's rarely the developer who prefers it that way, or, for that matter, Apple.
Cydia, like the x86 project, is being disingenuous. They know very well that the entire purpose of their existence is for people to download pirated apps.
And yet jailbreaking the iPhone OS and creating an app store predates the App Store? \
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They serve no other purpose.
Except for all the other purposes already expressed in this thread plus much more.
Saying jailbreaking your phone to install apps otherwise not offered through the SDK is like saying that driving 1mph over the speed limit is breaking the law, if even.
And yet jailbreaking the iPhone OS and creating an app store predates the App Store? \
Except for all the other purposes already expressed in this thread plus much more.
Before, they were trying to get apps.
As that's not been needed for quite a while, they now just serve the purpose of getting pirated ones. Yeah, there are some other less interesting uses for it, but pirating is the main one by a large deal, and you know it.
I think some of this piracy can be combated by offering trial period apps over Lite versions with limited functionality. I have pirated apps, for instance the $99 TomTom app because I wasn’t willing to fork over that much to test an app’s usability. I didn’t like it so I deleted it. I can many people doing this for much cheaper apps but then not deleting them.
By making it convenient to try out the app and then continue the use after the trial period is over I suspect devs will profit more. I’d think leaving the duration of the trial period up to the developer. It’s not unprecedented with FairPlay as Apple’s movie rentals use exploding DRM that seems to work out quite well.
I would like to see you try this in, lets say an Apple store. 'Excuse me, I'm just shoplifting this iMac to try it out and to see if I like it. Don't worry if I don't like it I will bring it back'
I am afraid that your arguments are now null and void as you have publicly admitted to being a pirate.
Saying jailbreaking your phone to install apps otherwise not offered through the SDK is like saying that driving 1mph over the speed limit is breaking the law, if even.
Not in the slightest. Though driving 1 mph over the limit comes within the fudge factor of the methods used in measuring that speed.
When you're using even just one pirated app, you're over the limit. There is no fudge factor. You're either doing it, or you're not.
I'm not talking about apps not offered through the app store. I haven't fully read the contract we sign with apple when we buy the phone, so I don't know what it says about that.
I'm not arguing that you can't jailbreak your phone. we've had our discussions about that. Apple rightly reserves the right to not provide services for jailbroken phones, including warranty service, or after warranty service. You take the risk.
But far more apps downloaded from Cydia are pirated than otherwise not offered at all. And I assume you aren't talking about apps in the store that aren't available in another jurisdiction? because that's still pirating.
As that's not been needed for quite a while, they now just serve the purpose of getting pirated ones. Yeah, there are some other less interesting uses for it, but pirating is the main one by a large deal, and you know it.
It's easier to install a pirated app on Mac OS X than it is on the iPhone so saying that a jailbroken is only used for piracy or elude to both App Stores being equal is so far from the truth that is laughable and clear that you've never jailbroken your phoe and checke out the diversity of the Cydia or Rock stores.
Logically, if it's just for stealing apps then why even have an app store when in of itself is not required for app piracy, only access to the root which could be built into the jailbreak. The fact is there is a huge amount of functionality that can be had, most of which I hope Apple adds to iPhone OS v4.0 so I don't have to bother with jailbreaking.
The concept "if Apple doesn't include the functionality it must not be important to me" is one reason people tend to have Apple enthusiests.
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You're a thief. Period.
What did I steal? Violating a EULA isn't theft. Also, just out of curiosity, why do you think Apple should be the sole provider of iPhone Apps, and force people to only buy from their App Store. Do you think it's wrong for there to be other stores to compete with the App Store? I love using the Cydia and Rock stores, I regularly purchase content off them, just as I would from Apple. If you ask me, it seems wrong for Apple to declare it's illegal and wrong for someone to purchase a product not from them.
Well in many of our cases, when our battery dwindles down to 20%, we like to be able to quickly lower the backlight, disable 3g and location services, and disable any extra apps using memory. Swiping and toggling 4 switches is much better than having to navigate the settings app, especially for some of us who are away most of the day and don't have many opportunities to charge our phones.
What did I steal? Violating a EULA isn't theft.
Who gave you right to judge? You can't understand that not all 100K of apps in App Store are made by Apple, you can't handle the simplest phone ever, and you're trying to classify crimes. You stole the intellectual property.
Also, just out of curiosity, why do you think Apple should be the sole provider of iPhone Apps, and force people to only buy from their App Store. Do you think it's wrong for there to be other stores to compete with the App Store? I love using the Cydia and Rock stores, I regularly purchase content off them, just as I would from Apple. If you ask me, it seems wrong for Apple to declare it's illegal and wrong for someone to purchase a product not from them.
You rock, you rock! 100K of Apple apps. Apple got any rights just because they created iPhone. Not you, thief.
If you ask me, it seems wrong for Apple to declare it's illegal and wrong for someone to purchase a product not from them.
I don?t think that is wrong but it can be annoying. Ultimately I like that they aren?t making their mobile OS a user nightmare by letting any and all apps roam freely. With jailbreaking, which they don?t seem to try hard to prevent, there is an extra hurdle that more technically inclined users go for.
I really don?t want my Mom DLing an OpenSSL app from the App Store because she got it in a text message she thought was for me, then running it not knowing what it is for. These controls are good for the average consumer which is one of the main reasons why the iPhone succeeds where other?s haven?t, but it?s nice there are alternatives for informed users.
Lower backlight on Ubuntu, don't touch Apple products.
Who gave you right to judge? You can't understand that not all 100K of apps in App Store are made by Apple, you can't handle the simplest phone ever, and you're trying to classify crimes. You stole the intellectual property.
You?re the French version of Teckstud.
If you can't afford payed application, simply do not buy iPhone
Meanwhile, in the numerous back streets of China...
"One dollar, u pay me now.
ten apps, one dollar
u buy store, 10 dollar, you pay me one dollar.
you pay me now, 10 apps, no?
10 apps, 10 apps, two dollar, you pay me now
no, no 10 apps 10 apps one dollar, two dollar
one two dollar, 10, 10 apps one chicken, three dollar
you pay me now three dollar"
Please don't paint all jailbreakers as pirates. I use a jailbroken device but I don't pirate any apps. I buy my apps from the Apple App Store and I use free and paid apps from Cydia.
+1...except I haven't bought anything from Cydia/Rock. Nothing has peaked my interest.
Who gave you right to judge?
That's quite an interesting thing to say, how about you? It looks to me that you're making judgments too, repeating them ad nauseum, yet you're lashing out at someone else that made their own, whether they are right or not. It's not a good way to persuade.
This is a sign of what type of user -cough
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Now, for something serious.
The very fact that someone would bother to pirate a 99 cent or $1.99 app just illustrates what kind of mentality permeates consumer and geek culture.
Mostly, but not quite.
Maybe somenone bother to pirate a .99 app just because the app store in your country DOESN'T HAVE that app to sell... it's a matter to pirate it or not have it. I'm not saying it's right. I don't think we must burn them all, either.
Some thoughts:
1- Jailbreak IS NOT EQUAL Piracy. Period.
You do have to jailbreak an iPhone in order to pirate apps (it's a premise), but jailbreak is far from the piracy method itself!
Jailbreak is the way to have R/W access to iPhone file system.
Jailbreak installs a "repository ïndex" app on the iPhone (usually Cydia or Icy).
2- The patch required to run pirated apps is one among thousands of packages available in Cydia repository.
(Cydia even warns that you're installing a repository used to spread pireted apps, urging you to don't, but not preventing you from doing so - someone would call this free will).
Equals Jailbreak with piracy is like saying that every iphone user bought it just to use fart applications. Which we all know that's not, .... right?
3- Many of the countries that have official iPhone carriers, have also other carries who doesn't.
Many countries doesn't have laws that forces carriers to legally unlock a phone.
Now, unlock hacks also uses a jailbroked iPhone FW in order to do the magic of allow the use of HW in other carrier. THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD THAT THIS HACK, ITSELF, WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW. IT IS AGAINST APPLE EULA, MAYBE, but frankly, if your phone is not covered by the warranty anymore, for instance, you have the absolute right to install whatever you care - as long as it's free - in a piece of hardware that is yours.
3- In the same way, many of the countries with official iPhone sales have lousy iTunes App Stores, with a few dozen apps, just to say that's there. (Not to justify piracy, but to explain it) Most of the people that pirate apps into iPhone, overseas, are doing so just because the flaws of the App Store. We'll not be naive to say that if they have access to a full app store they would stop pirating, but some of them would.
That said, please allow me to use my country - Brazil - as an example.
There's four major carriers (the WHOLE four major carriers) selling iPhones officially here.
I have one, with a contract from TIM (Italy) carrier. But I also have a GSM SIM from other carrier, who manages to offer long distance calls at a very lower price, so I'd like to be able to make calls from two different carriers. That's why I jailbroke my phone. I have no pirated apps, but I have MessageLog and Snapture, two fine paid apps from Cydia (formerly from Cydia, in the case of Snapture). I also have things like SBSettings ("no way to find something barely similar on App Store", this one's for dummies...
My wife have one, too. She have 23 apps installed on it. 15 of those, pirated. None of that 15 are found at the Brazil's app store. The other 8 have been bought from iTunes.
Is she right to do that way? Barely.
What are her options? None.
Sorry the poor english, I just can't stand dummies playing jailbreak/piracy nonsense.
What did I steal? Violating a EULA isn't theft. Also, just out of curiosity, why do you think Apple should be the sole provider of iPhone Apps, and force people to only buy from their App Store. Do you think it's wrong for there to be other stores to compete with the App Store? I love using the Cydia and Rock stores, I regularly purchase content off them, just as I would from Apple. If you ask me, it seems wrong for Apple to declare it's illegal and wrong for someone to purchase a product not from them.
That's one of the areas in which the judge in the Psystar case doesn't agree with you.
This is a sign of what type of user -cough
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Now, for something serious.
Mostly, but not quite.
Maybe somenone bother to pirate a .99 app just because the app store in your country DOESN'T HAVE that app to sell... it's a matter to pirate it or not have it. I'm not saying it's right. I don't think we must burn them all, either.
Some thoughts:
1- Jailbreak IS NOT EQUAL Piracy. Period.
You do have to jailbreak an iPhone in order to pirate apps (it's a premise), but jailbreak is far from the piracy method itself!
Jailbreak is the way to have R/W access to iPhone file system.
Jailbreak installs a "repository ïndex" app on the iPhone (usually Cydia or Icy).
2- The patch required to run pirated apps is one among thousands of packages available in Cydia repository.
(Cydia even warns that you're installing a repository used to spread pireted apps, urging you to don't, but not preventing you from doing so - someone would call this free will).
Equals Jailbreak with piracy is like saying that every iphone user bought it just to use fart applications. Which we all know that's not, .... right?
3- Many of the countries that have official iPhone carriers, have also other carries who doesn't.
Many countries doesn't have laws that forces carriers to legally unlock a phone.
Now, unlock hacks also uses a jailbroked iPhone FW in order to do the magic of allow the use of HW in other carrier. THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD THAT THIS HACK, ITSELF, WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW. IT IS AGAINST APPLE EULA, MAYBE, but frankly, if your phone is not covered by the warranty anymore, for instance, you have the absolute right to install whatever you care - as long as it's free - in a piece of hardware that is yours.
3- In the same way, many of the countries with official iPhone sales have lousy iTunes App Stores, with a few dozen apps, just to say that's there. (Not to justify piracy, but to explain it) Most of the people that pirate apps into iPhone, overseas, are doing so just because the flaws of the App Store. We'll not be naive to say that if they have access to a full app store they would stop pirating, but some of them would.
That said, please allow me to use my country - Brazil - as an example.
There's four major carriers (the WHOLE four major carriers) selling iPhones officially here.
I have one, with a contract from TIM (Italy) carrier. But I also have a GSM SIM from other carrier, who manages to offer long distance calls at a very lower price, so I'd like to be able to make calls from two different carriers. That's why I jailbroke my phone. I have no pirated apps, but I have MessageLog and Snapture, two fine paid apps from Cydia (formerly from Cydia, in the case of Snapture). I also have things like SBSettings ("no way to find something barely similar on App Store", this one's for dummies...
My wife have one, too. She have 23 apps installed on it. 15 of those, pirated. None of that 15 are found at the Brazil's app store. The other 8 have been bought from iTunes.
Is she right to do that way? Barely.
What are her options? None.
Sorry the poor english, I just can't stand dummies playing jailbreak/piracy nonsense.
Cydia, like the x86 project, is being disingenuous. They know very well that the entire purpose of their existence is for people to download pirated apps. They serve no other purpose.
They say what they do in an attempt to stay out of Apple's claws. They attempt to present the information as "educational", and not for what it really is.
The fact that some apps are not found in Brazil's store isn't a good reason to steal them. If there are licensing issues, or some other problem that prevents them from being sold there, you can be sure that it's rarely the developer who prefers it that way, or, for that matter, Apple.
It's still theft.
Cydia, like the x86 project, is being disingenuous. They know very well that the entire purpose of their existence is for people to download pirated apps.
And yet jailbreaking the iPhone OS and creating an app store predates the App Store?
They serve no other purpose.
Except for all the other purposes already expressed in this thread plus much more.
It's still theft.
Saying jailbreaking your phone to install apps otherwise not offered through the SDK is like saying that driving 1mph over the speed limit is breaking the law, if even.
And yet jailbreaking the iPhone OS and creating an app store predates the App Store?
Except for all the other purposes already expressed in this thread plus much more.
Before, they were trying to get apps.
As that's not been needed for quite a while, they now just serve the purpose of getting pirated ones. Yeah, there are some other less interesting uses for it, but pirating is the main one by a large deal, and you know it.
I think some of this piracy can be combated by offering trial period apps over Lite versions with limited functionality. I have pirated apps, for instance the $99 TomTom app because I wasn’t willing to fork over that much to test an app’s usability. I didn’t like it so I deleted it. I can many people doing this for much cheaper apps but then not deleting them.
By making it convenient to try out the app and then continue the use after the trial period is over I suspect devs will profit more. I’d think leaving the duration of the trial period up to the developer. It’s not unprecedented with FairPlay as Apple’s movie rentals use exploding DRM that seems to work out quite well.
I would like to see you try this in, lets say an Apple store. 'Excuse me, I'm just shoplifting this iMac to try it out and to see if I like it. Don't worry if I don't like it I will bring it back'
I am afraid that your arguments are now null and void as you have publicly admitted to being a pirate.
Saying jailbreaking your phone to install apps otherwise not offered through the SDK is like saying that driving 1mph over the speed limit is breaking the law, if even.
Not in the slightest. Though driving 1 mph over the limit comes within the fudge factor of the methods used in measuring that speed.
When you're using even just one pirated app, you're over the limit. There is no fudge factor. You're either doing it, or you're not.
I'm not talking about apps not offered through the app store. I haven't fully read the contract we sign with apple when we buy the phone, so I don't know what it says about that.
I'm not arguing that you can't jailbreak your phone. we've had our discussions about that. Apple rightly reserves the right to not provide services for jailbroken phones, including warranty service, or after warranty service. You take the risk.
But far more apps downloaded from Cydia are pirated than otherwise not offered at all. And I assume you aren't talking about apps in the store that aren't available in another jurisdiction? because that's still pirating.
Before, they were trying to get apps.
As that's not been needed for quite a while, they now just serve the purpose of getting pirated ones. Yeah, there are some other less interesting uses for it, but pirating is the main one by a large deal, and you know it.
It's easier to install a pirated app on Mac OS X than it is on the iPhone so saying that a jailbroken is only used for piracy or elude to both App Stores being equal is so far from the truth that is laughable and clear that you've never jailbroken your phoe and checke out the diversity of the Cydia or Rock stores.
Logically, if it's just for stealing apps then why even have an app store when in of itself is not required for app piracy, only access to the root which could be built into the jailbreak. The fact is there is a huge amount of functionality that can be had, most of which I hope Apple adds to iPhone OS v4.0 so I don't have to bother with jailbreaking.
The concept "if Apple doesn't include the functionality it must not be important to me" is one reason people tend to have Apple enthusiests.
The root cause of that is overpopulation, which places great stress on survival with little empathy for the fellow man and the rule of law.