If they don't come today, then Apollo? (Powermac upgrade, or lack thereof)

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
Personally, it seems all signs point to Apollo.



No one seriously believes that the G5 is coming anytime before MWNY, and most reliable sources (though admittedly not all) point to even later than that.



If Apple didn't go with faster 7451's (which must surely exist; people have been overclocking the 800 and 867 to a GHz or more with no add'l cooling required), then it seems to me that the middle path is the way forward: Apollo 7460.



Apple is probably holding off on upgrading the Powermac until they can hit with faster G4's AND DDR. After all, a mere speed increase to 1 GHz would be taken very poorly by the Faithful. The Faithful will also require a significant motherboard overhaul before upgrading, so maybe also Gigawire and HyperTransport as well.



So, that having been said, I'll bet on at least some of the folowing:



The next Powermac is a G4 (Apollo) topping out at 1.2 - 1.4 GHz

It will have DDR.

It will have Gigawire.

It will be released at Seybold (like the original G4 in SF) New York. Seybold is a poweruser/graphics pro convention, and what bellter venue that that to have Apple say that They have not been Forsaken?



Jet
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  • Reply 1 of 31
    [quote]Originally posted by Jet Powers:

    <strong>

    No one seriously believes that the G5 is coming anytime before MWNY...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Actually, I tend to think it might come as early as WWDC.
  • Reply 2 of 31
    tarbashtarbash Posts: 278member
    I think we will see a G5 ANNOUNCEMENT as soon as February, shipping at Seybold.



    Apollo will more than likely be used by the iMac, TiBook, and probably the iBook as well by Christmas.
  • Reply 3 of 31
    Apollo doesn't seem like a dektop(tower) chip, I am expecting the apollo to go into the tibooks and later the iMacs, I expect g5s in the towers and the towers will be ALOT better than the iMac but they will be ALOT more expensive
  • Reply 4 of 31
    [quote]Originally posted by Wrong Robot:

    <strong>Apollo doesn't seem like a dektop(tower) chip, I am expecting the apollo to go into the tibooks and later the iMacs, I expect g5s in the towers and the towers will be ALOT better than the iMac but they will be ALOT more expensive</strong><hr></blockquote>



    750 and 7441/51 don't seem like desktop chips, either, but there they were. I think the fact that the lower heat and power usage of Apollo blinds people to the fact that those same characteristics make higher clock speeds possible.



    I haven't seen any CONVINCING evidence (as in, not the same old 3rd hand info from some website somewhere and Moto's own info says that the simpler 8540 won't even sample until then not to mention that if you call one of the alleged suppliers of the 8540, they don't have any, and won't any time soon)) that anything of the 85xx generation will be available until 2H 2002 (at the earliest). Methinks that Tarbash and Nostradamus are engaged in wishful thinking.



    Jet
  • Reply 5 of 31
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,409member
    DDR is a serious problem for the Apollo (and earlier G4s). We've seen no indication that the Apollo's MAX bus will be a 128-bit implementation or support a higher clock rate -- without which it cannot use DDR. If the G5 is coming as early as mid-year (or earlier), a substantially changed motherboard with a new MPX bus is not likely if it will immediately be replaced by the G5's motherboard.
  • Reply 6 of 31
    tarbashtarbash Posts: 278member
    Where does Motorola say ANYTHING specific about sampling schedules for the DESKTOP version of the G5??? (NOT embedded)



    Show me please. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
  • Reply 7 of 31
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    G5s by Feb is what I'm going by.
  • Reply 8 of 31
    Can we say G5's??
  • Reply 9 of 31
    [quote]

    I think we will see a G5 ANNOUNCEMENT as soon as February, shipping at Seybold.



    Apollo will more than likely be used by the iMac, TiBook, and probably the iBook as well by Christmas.

    <hr></blockquote>



    This is exactly what I believe, except that I think the G5 will be announced at MWT, WWDC, or a special event, anytime before the end of April.



    As I suspected, that rumor about new powermacs today was BS.
  • Reply 10 of 31
    cobracobra Posts: 253member
    I feel the longer the current PM's remain on sale, the closer G5 PM's are to becoming reality.



    Apple just has to put some distance between the PM's and iMacs.



    I think the Apollos are for Powerbooks and future iMac and iBook revisions.Apple needs the G4 to last for awhile.



    I believe and hope that the G4 has seen its final days in the PM line.
  • Reply 11 of 31
    stoostoo Posts: 1,490member
    Maybe there aren't any G5s (85xx) because Apple is hoarding them?
  • Reply 12 of 31
    The G5?



    Surely you all jest.



    No wait, this is AI. Nevermind.



    Jet
  • Reply 13 of 31
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Over in General Discussion there's a thread about the invasion of a Radiohead fan BB.



    In it, someone claiming to be a Mot employee claimed that they'd shipped their first 1.4GHz G4.



    Consume with the appropriate amount of sodium chloride.
  • Reply 14 of 31
    mokimoki Posts: 551member
    [quote]Originally posted by KidRed:

    <strong>G5s by Feb is what I'm going by.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Feb. 2003, yes.



    Feb. 2002, no, not a chance, unless Apple decides to rename the Apollo G4 a "G5".
  • Reply 14 of 31
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by Jet Powers:

    <strong>The G5?



    Surely you all jest.



    No wait, this is AI. Nevermind.



    Jet</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Ah, yea, the G5. The one that has been in production for 2 years now
  • Reply 16 of 31
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by moki:

    <strong>



    Feb. 2003, yes.



    Feb. 2002, no, not a chance, unless Apple decides to rename the Apollo G4 a "G5".</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I dunno Moki, I think this is the year.
  • Reply 17 of 31
    qaziiqazii Posts: 305member
    [quote]Originally posted by Jet Powers:

    <strong>



    750 and 7441/51 don't seem like desktop chips, either, but there they were.

    Jet</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I thought the 745x, which is what is in the current PowerMacs, is way too hot to be anything other than a desktop chip
  • Reply 18 of 31
    tarbashtarbash Posts: 278member
    Moki, do you honestly think it will take 3 YEARS to bring the G5 to market? That is just ridiculous. The G5 project has been going on since the G4 fiasco in 1999. We will see the fruits of that labor WAY before February 2003.



    And I'm sorry, but the fact that you are president of Ambrosia Software does not make you any more credible in my eyes. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 19 of 31
    qaziiqazii Posts: 305member
    [quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:

    <strong>And I'm sorry, but the fact that you are president of Ambrosia Software does not make you any more credible in my eyes. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    It's possible that, as he IS the president of Ambrosia, a major Mac software developer, that he does have inside info (such as access to prototype hardware). If he said "I think the G5 is coming soon," and it was, then there might be NDA issues. Therefore, I think his flat-out denial points to a real (not a renamed Apollo) G5 in Feb. 2002.
  • Reply 20 of 31
    gustavgustav Posts: 823member
    [quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:

    <strong>And I'm sorry, but the fact that you are president of Ambrosia Software does not make you any more credible in my eyes. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I don't think he ever claimed anything of the sort. I also think the point of his post is that Feb. this year is waaay too soon, not that it will necessarily take until Feb. 2003.
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