If the Tablet requires a (another) cell phone contract, it's going to be very painful for a lot of folks to accept. Also locking it to the App Store will put off a lot of traditional computer users used to having control over their machines.
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Originally Posted by Rob55
I completely agree. I, for one, don't need or want another monthly bill. I'd be perfectly content using the tablet via WiFi. Everywhere I'd need or want to use the tablet has WiFi. That's not to say it shouldn't have a 3G option however. I just think it should be optional. Unless, they can add it to my existing AT&T data contract for another $10-$15 month max. But even then, I'd be paying for something I don't really need.
Verizon offers FIOS and cable services, remember. They might work out an agreement with Apple to possibly include Tablet coverage in your FIOS package, or an addition charge tacked onto your monthly data plan. iPhone users already pay AT&T $100 per month for unlimited everything, and I'm sure they will continue to pay. AT&T may do something similar as well. Either way, if you plan on buying and using Apple's Tablet, a bump to the cost of your monthly data plan is pretty much inevitable.
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I was with Cingular/AT&T for eight years and I simply got tired of their poor Customer Service. So, I dropped them, went over to Verizon and received their version of the Razr. I was amazed at the horrible software that Verizon uses in their phones. After nearly two years with them, I went back to AT&T and bought an iPhone. Now that a Verizon iPhone seems eminent, I cannot imagine what the software will look like. Although, I'm sure that Verizon will find a way to screw it up.
I highly doubt this. If Apple is indeed bringing the iPhone to Verizon, it will be the exact same configuration as what is on AT&T. It just wouldn't happen otherwise. That means no Verizon logo on the iPhone or locked down features. If Verizon wants the iPhone, which it looks like they do, then they have to play by Apple's rules.
The Television subscription model is complicated. The TV networks rely on the cable networks for 99% of their distribution. The model is entrenched and there is a lot at stake. With net distribution they have no idea what will happen. Its unchartered territory and they must be terrified of making the wrong decision now which may come back and bite them in the tail a few years down the line. I suspect that this arena will see many changes and shakeups over the next decade. The Tunes model looks ideal from a user perspective but if the content is purchased -ad free, cable network free - then there are a lot of people cut out of the loop and they are not just going to lie down and take it.
I want all you people who do nothing but complain about AT&T to leave ASAP - please. You're slowing down my AT&T network!!
That's the best part about Verizon getting the iPhone - all the complainers can go screw w/ Verizons network and my AT&T phone will only get faster while all the Verizon 3G phones will get nothing but slower
(I had AT&T before the iPhone and have had the best experience w/ them over Sprint and Verizon, had each of them for 3 years)
There is no way that the tablet will be a subsidized only device.
I sure hope not, it's been a very profitable avenue for Apple with the iPhone, having AT&T send those high monthly bills to pad and soak us every month. I cant' see how Apple could resist the temptation.
I save $4000 over two years, (a nicely decked out MacBook Pro by the way) by opting out of the iPhone and using a traditional voice cell phone instead. I also don't have those annoyingly high AT&T bills every month, play the roll over minutes games, and still get the same AT&T service. (pay as you go is great!)
Hopefully the Tablet will have two models, like the iPhone and iPod Touch and not be locked into App Store only apps, but be a open OS that will also run App Store apps too.
Why don't the networks release an app that's $19.99 for the full season of a TV show which you can stream / download.
Cable and Satellite companies want to become the XM of broadcasting and own the content as well. Bad, Bad idea... Nobody wants to sit through commercials, or own cable boxes anymore, it's just that we have no other option at the moment.
I sure hope not, because I don’t want to pay for HW and the licensing fees that I’m not going to use.
Unfortunately, that's the way the industry is headed, so you might not be buying Apple's Tablet and future iterations of the iPhone. People today not only want to keep their numbers, but also their phones too when switching networks, especially smartphones. Combined with AT&T's network woes, and the fact that creating a CDMA-specific iPhone would be cost-ineffective for Apple, the dual-band chip seems the most likely route for Apple to go.
Gotta love how you spin things in such a negative way. How about first watching or reading about the special event then (and this crazy) deciding whether a new product fits your needs instead of making of silly accusations that Jobs thinks of himself as some sort of Martin Luther King Jr. of the publishing industry and that he expects ?all? to buy the new product. Even while reading it It?s really hard to believe that people can complain about something that doesn?t yet exist. Seriously, what?s the benefit of kicking Schrödinger's cat?
That's why I said "he better have more than this."
I can only go by the information that is coming out... if it's wrong or incomplete it's wrong or incomplete. If it's right then this whole thing is a bad joke.
The fact we aren't hearing any leaks explaining the value of the tablet thus far is making me believe these quotes from others are accurate though.
I still don't get the talk of these iPhone Apps running on the tablet. The iPhone interface is designed with the phone, one-hand etc. in mind. This tablet will demand new Apps from the ground up, just for it. And what's more it makes monetary sense for Apple (and for its devs) to demand "new tablet-specific apps" for the Tablet. Wait and you see, there be no mention of iPhone apps running on the tablet.
I still don't get the talk of these iPhone Apps running on the tablet. The iPhone interface is designed with the phone, one-hand etc. in mind. This tablet will demand new Apps from the ground up, just for it. And what's more it makes monetary sense for Apple (and for its devs) to demand "new tablet-specific apps" for the Tablet. Wait and you see, there be no mention of iPhone apps running on the tablet.
Couldn't the rumor about iPhone 4.0 software be for Tablet support? Wouldn't that bite.
...Either way, if you plan on buying and using Apple's Tablet, a bump to the cost of your monthly data plan is pretty much inevitable.
I'm not convinced this would be the case. If anything, like others have said, it would (or should) be optional. I know others do, but I don't travel much or commute via train or bus. Since there is WiFi service everywhere I would use the tablet, the 3G aspect would be completely unnecessary to me. Also, like others have said, making some sort of data plan a requirement for the tablet would be a mistake and hurt sales.
[CENTER]Apple's 'New Creation': What We'll Most Likely See...
Name: Apple iPad
Capacity: 32gb/US 599.99, 64gb US 699.99, 128gb US 899.99
Operating System: Apple Mobile OS 4.0 (yes, they renamed it)
Compatibility: All Existing iPhone/Touch apps (scaled as required) with a slew of new apps (innovative e-reading being the focus) designed specifically for the iPAD and its new capabilities/resolution.
Connectivity: 3g featured on the Verizon Network, but optional tethering for existing AT&T iPhone users.
Additionally: Absolutely NO OSX application compatibility, but will come with Apple Mobile OS versions of iLife and iWorks.
I still don't get the talk of these iPhone Apps running on the tablet. The iPhone interface is designed with the phone, one-hand etc. in mind. This tablet will demand new Apps from the ground up, just for it. And what's more it makes monetary sense for Apple (and for its devs) to demand "new tablet-specific apps" for the Tablet. Wait and you see, there be no mention of iPhone apps running on the tablet.
I believe the tablet will run (a version of) the iphone / touch OS and as such it may be able to run most of the iphone apps. A great selling point on launch day if that is the case. I am sure most developers are scrambling to re-design their apps to work 'natively' on the tablet, however. The whole app thing will go nuts. How many app do you think will be available by the time the thing goes on sale? This is a huge issue because to a large degree the success of the tablet is dependent on the apps. The iPhone is great but the apps are what makes it amazing. And keeps making it a little more amazing each time we discover a new app.
the end of the big 4 is near. We have already seen the demise of NBC.
The broadcast model is ending. CBS/NBC/ABC/Fox failed to embrace cable/satelite. Now they are failing to embrace Content on demand.
And they will reap the same harvest as the recording industry.
I disagree to a certain extent. The big 4 won't ever die since they own most of the cable channels. They will, however, suffer the same fate as the major music labels. Their content will get even more pirated, like music, until they learn not to screw the people over.
If I was Apple I would continue to go after this subscription deal with CBS & Disney and try to lock up the paid channels, news channels and PBS. NBC and Fox can go screw themselves. Rupert Murdoch is living in the past and the Comcast/NBC Universal deal should have never been allowed to go through. NBC can't even get the Tonight Show right.
BTW, why is there no mention of Apple going after a Netflix model for movies?
Is anybody surprised by the short sightedness of the TV execs? Greedy and stupid as usual. If they won't give me a legal subscription option, I'll continue on with my own "subscription" option which I've created via torrents and rapidshare. I get the benefits of no commercials and the price is nice.
Stupid execs pass up the opportunity to earn a few bucks...instead they'll get zero from most people like me.
I am. It like they don't want ANOTHER source of income. It's not like people will stop watching tv. I have plasma for a reason NBC! Not to watch your network. Nothing left to watch now that Co Co is gone
CBS is the king of broadcast television and they sound like they're on board. Apple and CBS will show them how it's supposed to be done. Just like the iPod all over again.
I believe the tablet will run (a version of) the iphone / touch OS and as such it may be able to run most of the iphone apps. A great selling point on launch day if that is the case. I am sure most developers are scrambling to re-design their apps to work 'natively' on the tablet, however. The whole app thing will go nuts. How many app do you think will be available by the time the thing goes on sale? This is a huge issue because to a large degree the success of the tablet is dependent on the apps. The iPhone is great but the apps are what makes it amazing. And keeps making it a little more amazing each time we discover a new app.
[CENTER]Hmmm?
You are aware that the iPhone did not originally feature apps compatibility/an app store yet was still considered pretty 'amazing' by many?
Apple's app infrastructure is already in place, so I really don't consider a lack of apps at launch to be a factor in the success of the iPAD, as they will come very quickly.[/CENTER]
I hope its a big day for verizon.. they are my carrier and fantastic in my area. Can't wait!
It would make more sense for Verizon's data-or-voice-only type network for the launching to be about the impending Apple tablet device rather than the iPhone.
As many have posted here and elsewhere, it's just not (yet) technically feasible for their launch to be about the iPhone: the Qualcomm chip that would enable a hybrid iPhone to use their network is not available yet, and Verizon's aggressive advertising against AT&T and the iPhone last Summer appear to doubly rule out the possibility.
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I'll be switching away from AT&T ASAP. As soon as the contract ends, I'm done. Come on, August!
I'll be right behind you! If it happens sooner, I'll pay to break my contract immediately.
If the Tablet requires a (another) cell phone contract, it's going to be very painful for a lot of folks to accept. Also locking it to the App Store will put off a lot of traditional computer users used to having control over their machines.
I completely agree. I, for one, don't need or want another monthly bill. I'd be perfectly content using the tablet via WiFi. Everywhere I'd need or want to use the tablet has WiFi. That's not to say it shouldn't have a 3G option however. I just think it should be optional. Unless, they can add it to my existing AT&T data contract for another $10-$15 month max. But even then, I'd be paying for something I don't really need.
Verizon offers FIOS and cable services, remember. They might work out an agreement with Apple to possibly include Tablet coverage in your FIOS package, or an addition charge tacked onto your monthly data plan. iPhone users already pay AT&T $100 per month for unlimited everything, and I'm sure they will continue to pay. AT&T may do something similar as well. Either way, if you plan on buying and using Apple's Tablet, a bump to the cost of your monthly data plan is pretty much inevitable.
I was with Cingular/AT&T for eight years and I simply got tired of their poor Customer Service. So, I dropped them, went over to Verizon and received their version of the Razr. I was amazed at the horrible software that Verizon uses in their phones. After nearly two years with them, I went back to AT&T and bought an iPhone. Now that a Verizon iPhone seems eminent, I cannot imagine what the software will look like. Although, I'm sure that Verizon will find a way to screw it up.
I highly doubt this. If Apple is indeed bringing the iPhone to Verizon, it will be the exact same configuration as what is on AT&T. It just wouldn't happen otherwise. That means no Verizon logo on the iPhone or locked down features. If Verizon wants the iPhone, which it looks like they do, then they have to play by Apple's rules.
That's the best part about Verizon getting the iPhone - all the complainers can go screw w/ Verizons network and my AT&T phone will only get faster while all the Verizon 3G phones will get nothing but slower
(I had AT&T before the iPhone and have had the best experience w/ them over Sprint and Verizon, had each of them for 3 years)
There is no way that the tablet will be a subsidized only device.
I sure hope not, it's been a very profitable avenue for Apple with the iPhone, having AT&T send those high monthly bills to pad and soak us every month. I cant' see how Apple could resist the temptation.
I save $4000 over two years, (a nicely decked out MacBook Pro by the way) by opting out of the iPhone and using a traditional voice cell phone instead. I also don't have those annoyingly high AT&T bills every month, play the roll over minutes games, and still get the same AT&T service. (pay as you go is great!)
Hopefully the Tablet will have two models, like the iPhone and iPod Touch and not be locked into App Store only apps, but be a open OS that will also run App Store apps too.
Cable and Satellite companies want to become the XM of broadcasting and own the content as well. Bad, Bad idea... Nobody wants to sit through commercials, or own cable boxes anymore, it's just that we have no other option at the moment.
I sure hope not, because I don’t want to pay for HW and the licensing fees that I’m not going to use.
Unfortunately, that's the way the industry is headed, so you might not be buying Apple's Tablet and future iterations of the iPhone. People today not only want to keep their numbers, but also their phones too when switching networks, especially smartphones. Combined with AT&T's network woes, and the fact that creating a CDMA-specific iPhone would be cost-ineffective for Apple, the dual-band chip seems the most likely route for Apple to go.
Gotta love how you spin things in such a negative way. How about first watching or reading about the special event then (and this crazy) deciding whether a new product fits your needs instead of making of silly accusations that Jobs thinks of himself as some sort of Martin Luther King Jr. of the publishing industry and that he expects ?all? to buy the new product. Even while reading it It?s really hard to believe that people can complain about something that doesn?t yet exist. Seriously, what?s the benefit of kicking Schrödinger's cat?
That's why I said "he better have more than this."
I can only go by the information that is coming out... if it's wrong or incomplete it's wrong or incomplete. If it's right then this whole thing is a bad joke.
The fact we aren't hearing any leaks explaining the value of the tablet thus far is making me believe these quotes from others are accurate though.
I still don't get the talk of these iPhone Apps running on the tablet. The iPhone interface is designed with the phone, one-hand etc. in mind. This tablet will demand new Apps from the ground up, just for it. And what's more it makes monetary sense for Apple (and for its devs) to demand "new tablet-specific apps" for the Tablet. Wait and you see, there be no mention of iPhone apps running on the tablet.
Couldn't the rumor about iPhone 4.0 software be for Tablet support? Wouldn't that bite.
...Either way, if you plan on buying and using Apple's Tablet, a bump to the cost of your monthly data plan is pretty much inevitable.
I'm not convinced this would be the case. If anything, like others have said, it would (or should) be optional. I know others do, but I don't travel much or commute via train or bus. Since there is WiFi service everywhere I would use the tablet, the 3G aspect would be completely unnecessary to me. Also, like others have said, making some sort of data plan a requirement for the tablet would be a mistake and hurt sales.
Name: Apple iPad
Capacity: 32gb/US 599.99, 64gb US 699.99, 128gb US 899.99
Operating System: Apple Mobile OS 4.0 (yes, they renamed it)
Compatibility: All Existing iPhone/Touch apps (scaled as required) with a slew of new apps (innovative e-reading being the focus) designed specifically for the iPAD and its new capabilities/resolution.
Connectivity: 3g featured on the Verizon Network, but optional tethering for existing AT&T iPhone users.
Additionally: Absolutely NO OSX application compatibility, but will come with Apple Mobile OS versions of iLife and iWorks.
We'll See Soon Enough...
I'll be switching away from AT&T ASAP. As soon as the contract ends, I'm done. Come on, August!
I still don't get the talk of these iPhone Apps running on the tablet. The iPhone interface is designed with the phone, one-hand etc. in mind. This tablet will demand new Apps from the ground up, just for it. And what's more it makes monetary sense for Apple (and for its devs) to demand "new tablet-specific apps" for the Tablet. Wait and you see, there be no mention of iPhone apps running on the tablet.
I believe the tablet will run (a version of) the iphone / touch OS and as such it may be able to run most of the iphone apps. A great selling point on launch day if that is the case. I am sure most developers are scrambling to re-design their apps to work 'natively' on the tablet, however. The whole app thing will go nuts. How many app do you think will be available by the time the thing goes on sale? This is a huge issue because to a large degree the success of the tablet is dependent on the apps. The iPhone is great but the apps are what makes it amazing. And keeps making it a little more amazing each time we discover a new app.
the end of the big 4 is near. We have already seen the demise of NBC.
The broadcast model is ending. CBS/NBC/ABC/Fox failed to embrace cable/satelite. Now they are failing to embrace Content on demand.
And they will reap the same harvest as the recording industry.
I disagree to a certain extent. The big 4 won't ever die since they own most of the cable channels. They will, however, suffer the same fate as the major music labels. Their content will get even more pirated, like music, until they learn not to screw the people over.
If I was Apple I would continue to go after this subscription deal with CBS & Disney and try to lock up the paid channels, news channels and PBS. NBC and Fox can go screw themselves. Rupert Murdoch is living in the past and the Comcast/NBC Universal deal should have never been allowed to go through. NBC can't even get the Tonight Show right.
BTW, why is there no mention of Apple going after a Netflix model for movies?
Is anybody surprised by the short sightedness of the TV execs? Greedy and stupid as usual. If they won't give me a legal subscription option, I'll continue on with my own "subscription" option which I've created via torrents and rapidshare. I get the benefits of no commercials and the price is nice.
Stupid execs pass up the opportunity to earn a few bucks...instead they'll get zero from most people like me.
I am. It like they don't want ANOTHER source of income. It's not like people will stop watching tv. I have plasma for a reason NBC! Not to watch your network. Nothing left to watch now that Co Co is gone
CBS is the king of broadcast television and they sound like they're on board. Apple and CBS will show them how it's supposed to be done. Just like the iPod all over again.
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I believe the tablet will run (a version of) the iphone / touch OS and as such it may be able to run most of the iphone apps. A great selling point on launch day if that is the case. I am sure most developers are scrambling to re-design their apps to work 'natively' on the tablet, however. The whole app thing will go nuts. How many app do you think will be available by the time the thing goes on sale? This is a huge issue because to a large degree the success of the tablet is dependent on the apps. The iPhone is great but the apps are what makes it amazing. And keeps making it a little more amazing each time we discover a new app.
[CENTER]Hmmm?
You are aware that the iPhone did not originally feature apps compatibility/an app store yet was still considered pretty 'amazing' by many?
Apple's app infrastructure is already in place, so I really don't consider a lack of apps at launch to be a factor in the success of the iPAD, as they will come very quickly.[/CENTER]
I hope its a big day for verizon.. they are my carrier and fantastic in my area. Can't wait!
It would make more sense for Verizon's data-or-voice-only type network for the launching to be about the impending Apple tablet device rather than the iPhone.
As many have posted here and elsewhere, it's just not (yet) technically feasible for their launch to be about the iPhone: the Qualcomm chip that would enable a hybrid iPhone to use their network is not available yet, and Verizon's aggressive advertising against AT&T and the iPhone last Summer appear to doubly rule out the possibility.
All will be revealed soon...