Hands on with Apple's iPad (with videos and photos)

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  • Reply 321 of 409
    multimediamultimedia Posts: 1,035member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by londoncalling;


    How crazy not to have any USB or Memory card slots. Plus theres no stand to hold the screen up.



    All three are available as inexpensive accessories. Simplicity and non-universal need are why they are not built in.
  • Reply 322 of 409
    multimediamultimedia Posts: 1,035member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Y.M.S.BUSHAN;


    Why didn't they incorporate the usb and sd card attachment into the docks? It would have solved a lot of problems !!



    Both adaptors DO attach to the docks' female ports.
  • Reply 323 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gts_mac View Post


    How f*ck...720P IS HD. Please don't tell me you have bought into the TV manufacturers bull crap "Full 1080P HD". Sorry: 720P is one of the defined HD resolutions, stop spreading lies.



    Except that the iPad's 1024x768 screen doesn't support 720P HD either, which is 1280x720. That leaves 20% of the width missing.
  • Reply 324 of 409
    richysrichys Posts: 160member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post


    Except that the iPad's 1024x768 screen doesn't support 720P HD either, which is 1280x720. That leaves 20% of the width missing.



    The snag is, using a 1280x720 screen in portrait mode would feel more like reading from a scroll!



    Maybe a 3:2 ratio screen (same as iPhone) would have been better. But then who makes a 1080x720 (or 1152x768, or whatever) screen? It would have to be custom made and add a good $100 to the price. Maybe rev B will come with a 1280x1024 display (and then everyone will complain that it can't quite do 1080 HD!).



    Compromises. They're a bitch.
  • Reply 325 of 409
    If computing devices were vehicles, how would apple's new IPad fit in?



    Cell phones are like shoes - they are the essential transportation. When we leave home, we don't ask ourselves "Should I bring my shoes?" We just do.



    Music players and ebook readers are like bicycles - they do one thing well, and people don't expect them to do much else.



    Personal computers are like cars - they are big and bulky, but they can do everything.



    With the IPad, Apple has built the first decent motorcycle. Because it is an Apple product. It is an expensive motorcycle. Car (computer) enthusiasts are critical of it because it lacks all the features of a car: "Where's the roof? "There's no climate control?" "Where do the passengers sit?" "It costs more than my Hyundai, which has all the normal car features."



    As in the the vehicle world, most people don't buy motorcycles. But millions of people buy them and like them.



    (Most previous attempts at building a motorcycle (tablet) were rather like strapping a chair to the roof of a car. The makers were afraid to remove any of the standard car (laptop) features, so they just added touch to a heavy bulky machine.)



    Do people want this new device? This motorcycle of computing? We will see...
  • Reply 326 of 409
    dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ranum View Post


    In June of 2008, I posted this on AI:







    The full post is here. It got all of 586 views and no comments. Of course, what I wrote had no influence on the actual design and implementation of the iPad's dock with integrated keyboard accessory. I'm just glad to see that Apple pursued a similar idea for the iPad. And if you read my old post, you'll see that I was hoping for a desktop-class computer that would turn the iPad into basically a monitor for the desktop when docked, and I still think this would be a cool idea.



    Really looking forward to picking up one of these with the keyboard dock and cover later this year. I just have to start hiding money from the wife.



    No comments probably because there wasn't much to comment on. The exact thing you're describing has been around for years.



    Google Images: "palm keyboard"

    http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...aqi=g1&start=0
  • Reply 327 of 409
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    Quote:

    However, most people don't like to be on camera, which is why we never had a clamoring market for videophones despite having had the technology for decades



    that's the dumbest excuse I've ever heard for not having a camera. I need a webcam for skype. Why have a camera on the mac then?

    pff
  • Reply 328 of 409
    richysrichys Posts: 160member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by catsfolly View Post


    If computing devics were vehicles, how would apple's new IPad fit in?



    Cell phones are like shoes - they are the essential transportation. When we leave home, we don't ask ourselves "Should I bring my shoes?" We just do.



    Music players and ebook readers are like bicycles - they do one thing well, and people don't expect them to do much else.



    Personal computers are like cars - they are big and bulky, but they can do everything.



    With the IPad, Apple has built the first decent motorcycle. Because it is an Apple product. It is an expensive motorcycle. Car (computer) enthusiasts are critical of it because it lacks all the features of a car: "Where's the roof? "There's no climate control?" "Where do the passengers sit?" "It costs more than my Hyundai, which has all the normal car features."



    As in the the vehicle world, most people don't buy motorcycles. But millions of people buy them and like them.



    (Most previous attempts at building a motorcycle (tablet) were rather like strapping a chair to the roof of a car. The makers were afraid to remove any of the standard car (laptop) features, so they just added touch to a heavy bulky machine.)



    Do people want this new device? This motorcycle of computing? We will see...



    Excellent analogy.



    Having used several of the first XP tablets (Compaq TC, a Fujitsu with blue suede on the back, and a convertible Tosh of some description), I can confirm that it felt like being on a chair strapped to the roof of a car. Approaching a low bridge...
  • Reply 329 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by backtomac View Post


    ...I'm not saying its great or a failure until I actually try the thing.



    Well said "backtomac"!



    All you people bitchin' and moanin', "it doesn't do this... it doesn't have that"... HOW IN THE F*** DO YOU KNOW?!



    It's not shipping for 60-90 days. If you haven't noticed already, the world of technology can change week to week... let alone in a month... or 1/4 of a year!



    How do KNOW there isn't already a BT camera coming out (Belkin)?

    How do KNOW that at shipping time, it won't have Flash 10.1 (working, although sluggish as hell on the Tegra/Android platforms)?*** See Below

    How do KNOW what USB devices work or don't with the dongle from Apple... or the one coming out from Belkin... or over your WLAN?



    FACT: YOU (and I).... KNOW.... NOTHING!... until the damn thing ships.



    Also, you DO NOT know what it is capable of software-wise until iPhone OS 4.0 is available. 3.2 is a stop-gap at this point, if that isn't obvious for y'all.



    Repeat after me class: THIS IS NOT A COMPUTER REPLACEMENT (yet)... and was never meant to be in it's first incarnation. Watch the presentation... it is positioned BETWEEN an iPod/iPhone (consumption) and a MacBook (computer).



    For those that absolutely must have "touch" on the Macs... not to worry. MacTripper had it right, and eventually, this is how all MacBooks will be. Also get used to the Store concept, it's coming for Apple Mac desktops/laptops as well. I'd say about 2012 for both of the above.



    So after bringing my blood-pressure down a bit, and to prove that I am not a typical Apple Fanboi (although I do have stock), reality is that there is a platform that will give Apple a run for it's money... and that is Android and Chrome. (Windows doesn't have a prayer in this space!)



    And once again, we'll have the Market Share Wars:



    Cheap-"good-enough"-Crap (watch the Tegra videos on YouTube - chop, chop, spit, gurgle, "Tap-It-Again-Sam" demos)

    vs.

    Easy-to-use-Style and Speed (everyone that HAS had the device in his/her hands has been amazed at it's speed and responsiveness!)



    ... and as the Talking Heads song goes, "Same as it ever was."



    BTW: the halo effect around this device is gonna be immense, and dwarf the iPod/iPhone accessory lists. Already today, multiple manu's making bag and stand announcements. Just wait and see what will be available by summer. The market for all manner of apps and add-ons is going to be HUGE!



    Just to let ya in on a secret: the main reason I'm so excited about the iPad(?) and bullish on APPL... is because the Tech-Geeks and community absolutely HATES it!... which was expected. iPod and iPhone story all over again. Remember the "Cut-n-Paste" fiasco?



    Since I'm a geek myself, Im gonna say it again:...it's not for "us"... it's for "them"!.



    Like my parents, in-laws, 2-year old nephew, or girlfriend even know WTF "multi-tasking" is for Pete's sake! And if it WAS available at this point or in the future, would only confuse them (seriously!). Me: I'm looking forward to it in OS 4.0.



    **** Flash will come, but with the "ClickToFlash"-like functionality built in (with an Apple disclaimer about security and battery life). SJ didn't want to give in just yet, but he KNOWS it has to be on the iPad. If not, the rest of the Disney board is gonna pitch him out the window at the next meeting, regardless of his share position. Seriously... it will be there... if not just for the kids and education, which he will use as an excuse. Not personally, but through Shiller or Cook.
  • Reply 330 of 409
    I would have picked one of these up on day one, IF...the iPad had stylus AND multitouch support. If I had the option of entering via a stylus (like a tablet PC or Modbook) I could use it to write in Japanese/Korean/Chinese. Without that option (and the lack of a front-facing camera) I will have to pass.



    Drawing kanji with my finger is a no-go. So close Apple, so close.
  • Reply 331 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lamewing View Post


    I would have picked one of these up on day one, IF...the iPad had stylus AND multitouch support. If I had the option of entering via a stylus (like a tablet PC or Modbook) I could use it to write in Japanese/Korean/Chinese. Without that option (and the lack of a front-facing camera) I will have to pass.



    Drawing kanji with my finger is a no-go. So close Apple, so close.



    It does have stylus support: Google "Pogo Stylus"... works with all capacitive touch displays, including iPhone/iPod, and now the iPad. Only 14.95.
  • Reply 332 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    It does have stylus support: Google "Pogo Stylus"... works with all capacitive touch displays, including iPhone/iPod, and now the iPad. Only 14.95.



    Belkin BT camera's coming, single and dual (front and back-facing).



    Oops! Replied to the wrong part of the post.



    BTW: Belkin is not the only one making accesories... Hama-Germany as well.
  • Reply 333 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post


    Except that the iPad's 1024x768 screen doesn't support 720P HD either, which is 1280x720. That leaves 20% of the width missing.





    Except the standard for 720p HD only counts the horizontal scan lines (720) Just like a 720p plasma has a 16x9 of 1024 x 768. So technically it's 720p. Computer monitors have been HD for ages. Where did you think they got the idea? HDTV was "invented" because living quarters in Asian countries are smaller so they end up sitting closer to the screen.



    Of course the aspect ratio is all wrong, so to get your 768 horizontal lines of resolution you'll have to crop the sides of the picture.



    http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/720p.cfm
  • Reply 334 of 409
    wilwil Posts: 170member
    I agree, PixelDoc. Until we all have actually use an actual production iPad at an Apple Store or a borrowed one from a friend, it is very difficult and quite impossible to actually judge a product based on it's merits.



    All the bitching and the moaning reminded me of the time when Apple introduced the iMac, then the iPod and later the iPhone . The Bondi iMac had no serial ports,2 USB ports that were seldomly used in Wintel PCs , a severe shortage of software as well as hardware peripherals and of yeah, an underpowered G3 PowerPC chip. In addition, Apple was in danger of becoming irrelevant in the face of Microsoft's onslaught . How about the iPod ? When it was announced, it was just after the September 11 2001 terrorist attack on the WTC and Pentagon. MP3 players were already getting popular with the tech set with players from Nomad and Creative leading the way. The iPod when it was released was very expensive, Mac only , uses Firewire that was only found in Macs and a very small set of Wintel computers and oh yeah, compared to the offerings of other MP3 players at that time, the immortal quote of Cmdr Taco comes to mind " No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame. "



    And the iPhone , who can forget the derision of a lot of people when Apple introduced the iPhone. A few software , no physical keyboard, only ATT , uses Edge instead of 3G , very expensive and competing with established phone makers like Nokia , Motorola , Samsung , Palm and phone software companies like Microsoft and Symbian on a mature cellphone market and oh yeah, it's camera and it's functions were not even up to par with what other smartphones had at that time.



    The joke that was the iMac jump start Apple to financial recovery , the lame iPod destroyed the competition and the iPhone ate the competition's lunch.



    The lesson learned should be this, until the actual product ships to the market and the consumers had the chance to play, own and use the iPad in the real world and the market had pronounced it's judgment and then we can say whether Apple made the correct decision or not.
  • Reply 335 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wil View Post


    I agree, PixelDoc. ...



    Thank you Wil Exactly, why I have a buy order in right now for more AAPL. Nice price at the moment. Expect $270. - $300 by the end of fiscal year 2010. That will have paid for all of my iPad gifts (4), and some accessories to boot
  • Reply 336 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post


    yet HP is going to market a tablet running a full version of Windows 7



    Good for them. But an Apple a day keeps the Windows away.
  • Reply 337 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by m2002brian View Post


    Except the standard for 720p HD only counts the horizontal scan lines (720) Just like a 720p plasma has a 16x9 of 1024 x 768. So technically it's 720p. Computer monitors have been HD for ages. Where did you think they got the idea? HDTV was "invented" because living quarters in Asian countries are smaller so they end up sitting closer to the screen.



    Of course the aspect ratio is all wrong, so to get your 768 horizontal lines of resolution you'll have to crop the sides of the picture.



    http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/720p.cfm



    Did you even read the text in the link you provided? Starting with the first line "720p refers to a progrssive HDTV signal with 720 horizontal lines and an Aspect Ratio (AR) of 16:9 (1.78:1)"



    1024x768 is NOT HD because it is NOT the widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9



    You said, "Just like a 720p plasma has a 16x9 of 1024 x 768" - Yeah, those TV's aren't running a native HD resolution - they're ACCEPTING an HD signal and converting it to something that isn't truely HD. Oh and "16x9 of 1024 x 768" ummm you might want to recheck the math on that!



    You also said, "Except the standard for 720p HD only counts the horizontal scan lines" which is also not true. Your link even proves otherwise. For something to be considered to be HD, it MUST have an aspect ratio of 16:9. The iPad may be able to play HD content, but it won't be displaying it in true HD
  • Reply 338 of 409
    I will certainly be getting one for home. With 4 people in the family there is always competition to get on the iMac and it's usually just to surf, email or watch a film. So to have a device for just $499 that can be taken anywhere in the house is just great.
  • Reply 339 of 409
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post


    iphone + no flash = love

    ipad + no flash = hate



    ok....



    Flash support would be nice at times, but your reasoning makes no sense.



    fuch f:ask



    Millions of Mac uses have gone to great lengths to all but rid themselves of what Adobe has thrown upon us (not unlike a steaming pile of crap). Once most of the free thinking users realized FASH for the Mac was a COMIC-RELIEFE -EFFORT (at best) just to say 'we got flash running everywhere' and Adobe had no intentions of putting the time or effort into resolving this problem. Now in their defense Apple had a 5% or less share of the desktop PC market for many years running so I could (to a certain extent) understand Adobe not putting in the efforts what it put into the Windows flash performance...



    Then the shot heard round the world... iPhone was pre-announced and this was the beginning of the end when it came to Apple supporting (including) Adobe's CRAP WARE by default. I

    , sure they had many reasons but the #1 reason (in my mind) why Apple just said no to crapware was due to the horrid performance Flash has inflicted and why on earth would he taint this otherwise wonderful new-born-child (iPhone v1.0) with the muck associated with flash.



    The was reason enough...



    Now the mobile device usage/market-share is quite quickly being eaten up by Apple and in the end its network usage that will be the measuring stick of these new mobile platforms device sales will not account for squat if RIMs multipurpose internet device that allows one to get their emails but nothing else then clearly that device will track far lower on a graph depicting handsets used by web surfers.



    = Adobe got caught tumbing its nose at Apple and treating the people that enjoy using the platform like 3rd class citizens.

    = Adobe might have saved a few million NOT making FLASH all it could be on Mac OS

    = Apple is now getting what it deserves.



    Lets talk about another company ( a game company ) just to show how a responsible company operates...



    Blizzard who is company now responsible for Wold of Warcraft a mildly successful MMO... anyway.. from day one the, core developers have made it quite clear that Apple would be supported in this enormous virtual environment and here we are 5+ years later and Apple is very much a FIRST CLASS citizen in that environment.



    - Am I saying some things couldn't be better? No!

    - Am I saying we have EXACTLY the same levels of optimization vs. our Windows Cousins? No!

    - Am I saying we are pretty darn close? Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying



    Blizzard can't pull the kind of crap Adobe can... If there is a SHOW STOPPING BUG in the Mac release they WILL hold a software rollout until all the WoW platforms get updated together. Same goes for the Windows release... and of course if it's not a SHOW STOPPING BUG the fixes will get rolled out to _insert-platform_ as they are confirmed fixed.



    Adobe should have had the courtesy to show OS X and its users similar support... Instead the Corporation (project leaders?) took the easy way out and /ignore OSX was their standard operating procedure.



    Well here are old and oft used quote but it certainly sums up the entire debacle: Adobe on Apple Devices?



    - You Reap What You Sow

    - What goes around comes around

    - Never burn your bridges
  • Reply 340 of 409
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    It does have stylus support: Google "Pogo Stylus"... works with all capacitive touch displays, including iPhone/iPod, and now the iPad. Only 14.95.



    Get the Pogo Sketch, it works better. Yep, I bought both.
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