Microsoft, Nokia, Nintendo take shots at Apple's iPad debut

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  • Reply 41 of 428
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    I agree. I can imagine a really large version set at a comfortable angle for editing stuff like Final Cut Pro. It would be like playing a piano. The contextual menus and finger controls they showed in the new iWorks seems to me at least the logical next step in graphical UIs. The cross over between OS X, iPhone OS X and iPad OS X will surely grow in all directions as needs demand.



    As someone who sits at a FCP station editing 8 (or more) hours a day, I have to wonder just how exhausted I would be "playing that piano".



    As it is, I wont use a mouse to edit and absolutely must use a tablet (Wacom style), and even then I sometimes have sore arm/shoulder muscles by the end of the day.



    What's the record for continuous piano playing anyways?....
  • Reply 42 of 428
    mactrippermactripper Posts: 1,328member
    Quote:

    ..."Microsoft is much more open than Apple." - Watson. was referring to the fact that the newly-announced iPad runs the iPhone OS, which can only install third-party applications through the Apple-controlled App Store.





    Yea, he's right too.



    I don't see any reason why Apple is choosing this extremely closed path other than to being control freaks.



    Guess now there are two camps, MacHeads and AppleHeads.



    AppleHeads are going to be raised up on the App Store.
  • Reply 43 of 428
    rraburrabu Posts: 239member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Oh the fanboys are out already I see.



    I'd much sooner have a Win7 tablet than the iPad. It may not look at pretty but at least it would be able to multi-task, run flash, use Skype video chat, and install any application I like.



    The iPad is a worrying step in home computing, a move from open platforms to an incredibly closed, restrictive platform. People accept limitations on smart phones because they are tiny and underpowered, but on a laptop/netbook type system, no chance. It's either open or not worth considering for a second.



    Apple should have just sold it as a Kindle competitor (although not of course outside the US, where Apple will not sell ebooks at all). By going after the netbook market all the do is illustrate how incredibly primative and limited the iPad is. My first computer ever (a Commodore 64) was more open than an iPad.



    Such is the way of the world.

    I'm upset enough that I can't customize my other appliances. Stupid GPS interface in my car; the configuration of controls and what is/isn't remembered between uses on my kitchen stove, washing machine and dryer; don't get me started on my dumbphone (both cell and house with ridiculous address book systems, caller id, and voicemail interfaces)....
  • Reply 44 of 428
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,152member
    Let's meet later this year when all of them copy the iPad, especially MS with a 10" tablet running Zune OS.
  • Reply 45 of 428
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    Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post


    Dear Steve Jobs,



    love the iphone. please make a tablet where i can visit at least 90% of the web sites out there and install software to play other media formats.



    Are you serious? What in the world are you talking about? Are you really upset that you can't view a b.s. Flash add or video attached to an article? Most sites (CNN, Break, FoxNews, NY Time, etc....) now have apps that allow you to view all of their video content if you must see it. Even sites like HULU are developing apps so their video can be viewed on an iPad of iPhone. HTML 5 is where online video is going and the iPad supports this with YouTube HD on teh iPad. If you're referring to shitty Flash games available on the web, NO THANKS! Flash is a resource hog that is also a major security liability! These are both proven and well-known facts.



    So what's the next insignificant think you can think of about the iPad and bitch about? No camera or multitasking? Well, as present in new SDK released this week, there is code written for camera support and possible limited multitasking (probably allowing only a few apps to operate at once). Until then, you have push notifications to hold you over on the multitasking (which works wonderfully on my iPhone) and you can always attach an external camera via teh USB adapter accessory if you must have to have a camera. You can even use a bluettooth keyboard and camera if you want.



    In other words, stop bitching about the small stuff and concentrate on the hundreds of incredible things the iPad does so well..........like super fast browsing, incredible UI and touch screen, millions of apps, songs, tv/movies, e-books, and other programs like iPhoto and iWorks Touch!



    Petty, petty fools out there!
  • Reply 46 of 428
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Povilas View Post


    First they ignore you, then they laugh you, then they fight you, then you win.



    First generation iPad has it's downsides, but if you look at the competition... oh, wait...



    I wouldn't laugh at the competition just yet. I hear the Dell minis are under 10 lbs now and you can video chat with your buddies. How cool is that? You and Timmy studying each other's face in the wee hours...
  • Reply 47 of 428
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sticknick View Post


    This.



    Although if MS was smart, they'd shut up about Apple being "closed" and port Office (at least Word, Excel and PowerPoint) over to the iPad.



    I am more than happy with just iWork. MS must have been a little surprised by that one.



    Have used Office but never will again.
  • Reply 48 of 428
    povilaspovilas Posts: 473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    The competition are netbooks, and I don't know about you, but I see a lot of those in use on the train everyday.



    And netbooks can run flash and multi-task.



    Netbook is not a competition. Of course people can try to fool themselfs, but that doesn't change the fact. And by the way no special multitasking is involved watching movie or listening to music on a train. Not to mention that iPad is far more simple and intuitive, therefore provides better experience. And in my book competition is only possible if both sides are very close in terms of experience and ease of use.
  • Reply 49 of 428
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    Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post


    I was a Windows geek for a long time, and initially had a difficult time transitioning to the Mac. I remember thinking "why can't I right-click" and "Why can't I modify system setting X?" After awhile, though, I became comfortable with the Mac because it was transparent -It allowed me to accomplish what I was trying to do by serving as a tool.



    I think my transition to the Mac would have been easier if I had not had so much prior experience with Windows. The mistake in my thinking was assuming that Windows way of doing things was "correct," merely because they were what I had learned first.



    To some extent, I think we all need to be careful about judging the iPad or any new product merely because it is not what we expect it to be. As people with experience with computers and technology, we can be blinded by own own preconceived notions of how things should be.



    Assuming that nails came before screws, then the first people who saw a screwdriver probably thought it was a stupid tool because it looked nothing like a hammer....Yet, they both still exist.



    I can very easily see myself preferring to surf the web while I sit on the couch by using an iPad. If the device provides a good experience, it won't really matter that it doesn't do anything that I can't already do with another device.



    Only time will tell, but I'm betting on it being a winner.





    Well said, my friend. Just like the original iPhone, people are quick to point out what the device doesn't do right out of the box and don't think about the many different arenas this sucker can be successful! Many of the issues can be addressed with future software upgrades. I'm with you.....IT'LL BE A WINNER!!!!!
  • Reply 50 of 428
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dbossmon View Post


    90% of the web is not flash btw.



    When your primary use is porn it is.
  • Reply 51 of 428
    povilaspovilas Posts: 473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


    I wouldn't laugh at the competition just yet. I hear the Dell minis are under 10 lbs now and you can video chat with your buddies. How cool is that? You and Timmy studying each other's face in the wee hours...



    Nice
  • Reply 52 of 428
    ltmpltmp Posts: 204member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?



    Serious question. It's the direction Apple are moving in, so it's not impossible to imagine that happening.



    And a good question. I've already been giving it some thought.

    I don't see apple bringing this philosophy to desktops or MBPs anytime soon. They will remain as tools for business and true power users.

    If, however, they did such a thing, I can't imagine how it would work. Too many platforms, too much legacy.

    So, no, I wouldn't like it (unless Steve told me too\).
  • Reply 53 of 428
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    Originally Posted by YodaMac View Post


    As someone who sits at a FCP station editing 8 (or more) hours a day, I have to wonder just how exhausted I would be "playing that piano".



    As it is, I wont use a mouse to edit and absolutely must use a tablet (Wacom style), and even then I sometimes have sore arm/shoulder muscles by the end of the day.



    What's the record for continuous piano playing anyways?....



    A bit off-topic but have you got a ShuttlePro2? I've got one set up for most apps and that lessens the workload on my arms and most importably my right wrist.



    But I agree with the previous poster that the iWork UI looks impressive and could be integrated into lots of apps.
  • Reply 54 of 428
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    The moment someone sees the missing flash plugin icon, clicks on it, then finds out they can't install flash, then the platform is closed.



    I'd call it 'protected'.
  • Reply 55 of 428
    I'm going to wait until the 2nd or 3rd Gen. Just like I did for the iPod and iTouch.

  • Reply 56 of 428
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    Yea, he's right too.



    I don't see any reason why Apple is choosing this extremely closed path other than to being control freaks.



    Guess now there are two camps, MacHeads and AppleHeads.



    AppleHeads are going to be raised up on the App Store.



    1) It's to stop the virus, spyware, trojan apps that plague Windows platforms.

    2) Your free to develop an app and have it accessible by 70million touch users - that's not closed is it? Obviously it can't be an app designed for extortion or criminality like you might find on the Android marketplace.

    3) Microsoft will be doing this soon. Sony, Nokia and Google already do it this way - why single Apple out?

    4) To make a delightful, safe and efficient way to get apps on your kit and give developers a platform to reach customers who LOVE the apps BTW!
  • Reply 57 of 428
    povilaspovilas Posts: 473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    I'd call it 'protected'.



    +1. There is no need to use click2flash
  • Reply 58 of 428
    I'd say the gloves are off - they haven't even got an answer for iPhone yet and that's 3 years old already let alone this NEW thing.



    This device represents a new threat - a direction in OS evolutions that they all know they haven't got a solution for.
  • Reply 59 of 428
    Remember when the first ipod and the iphone came out how much crap apple got about the devices. Now look.
  • Reply 60 of 428
    Since my son got his iPod Touch, he's not used his Nintendo DS once. Nintendo knows that these types of devices are hurting their business model of selling $30 games. Fortunately, for Nintendo, they control the Mario Brothers franchise so if you want these games it has to be an a DS or Wii (he still plays Wii).



    As for Nokia and Microsoft, talk about sour grapes! These companies couldn't innovate their way out of a wet paper bag. Microsoft never could, they just copied Apple. But, Nokia? Shame on them for sitting on their arses and not brining anything new or innovative to market. They have become just like the 'old' cell phone makers such as Motorola and Ericsson. Play it safe and bring features to market after it's been validated by other vendors. Neither can compete effectively against Apple, Google, or RIM in smartphones.



    Is the iPad perfect? No, far from it. Will Apple sell enough to justify continued investment in the platform? Most likely. One thing I would like to see Apple do is fall on their sword and change the name to something like iTablet or iSlate. While it would be painful and costly, in the short-run, I believe it would be to their benefit in the long run...
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