The irony of that presentation is that it shows us exactly what we don't want on the internet.
The way the mobile web is set up now is that animated graphics and videos don't play unless you initiate them. That way the page loads faster. One the iPhone embedded video plays full screen automatically. What's the point of watching a tiny embedded video on a small screen.
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Well, it works great on the Nexus One. So why shouldn't it on the iPad?
I find it funny that all the comments so far have been debating whether the device should have flash or not. It completely misses the fact that Apple was advertising something that didn't actually run on the product. Is that really lost on everyone? Or is it selective avoidance to not admit apple was falsely advertising the iPad running flash?
It's not a great user experience if half the web is unavailable to me.
What half of the web are you talking about? Currently on the iPhone every web site I frequent is freely available. The only half I can think that has not actively embraced mobile streaming is porn. Which is surprising, they like to brag about being on the edge of technology. There is no reason for them to be behind.
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By saying that the iPad will display mobile sites instead of the full sites, I think that you are making his point for him.
I'm saying the way its currently set up the iPad will display video from mobile sites. At the same time mobile websites are designed for finger UI touch screens, so they are still more appropriate for the iPad than websites designed for pixel accurate pointers.
The irony of that presentation is that it shows us exactly what we don't want on the internet.
The way the mobile web is set up now is that animated graphics and videos don't play unless you initiate them. That way the page loads faster. One the iPhone embedded video plays full screen automatically. What's the point of watching a tiny embedded video on a small screen.
Why can't people decide them self if they want Flash or not? Why do you want Steve Jobs tell you what you can or can't do? Seriously, that's called "Stockholm syndrome".
I'm not a fan of Flash. Even on a desktop OS. But Flash is a part of the web so a web device should support it. Period. If Flash is buggy on Mac OS (and iPhone OS) Apple should work together with Adobe to fix it. If you don't want it, OK, just disable it.
No Hulu on the iPad? Bummer. Guess I'd better keep my MacBook.
There was a theory floating around that Flash was not forthcoming because AT&T didn't want people using bandwidth up streaming TV shows. Does anyone else still think that?
Want 75 million iPhone OS users visiting and using your site?
Dump Flash or provide alternatives.
Adapt or lose.
Speak for yourself. I am iPhone OS user and I need Flash. Likewise, most if not all iPhone users I know want it. There is big number of iPhone users that don't just follow SJ commands, and Apple is risking to lose them in future by ignoring current standards.
Technically it was just a picture on a page. Its not like Apple showed someone clicking on a flash video and it actually played.
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I find it funny that all the comments so far have been debating whether the device should have flash or not. It completely misses the fact that Apple was advertising something that didn't actually run on the product. Is that really lost on everyone? Or is it selective avoidance to not admit apple was falsely advertising the iPad running flash?
Sorry your link is broken, it doesn't work on my iPhone.
So you have a working Nexus using Flash or was it just vapourware?
I seem to recall Steve Jobs telling Adobe that they didn't want Flash-Lite on the iPhone and to come back with a full featured version.
Well that was over three years ago and what has Adobe got?
The link is not broken but your device can't handle the full web We are not talking about Flash Lite. Flash 10.1 is still in beta but it works the way Flash works (if we like it or not does not matter here).
Once Hulu starts offering non-flash version of content-- and they will, do you think they don't care about millions and millions of Apple devices and the ad dollars they represent?-- it'll be pretty much game over. You Tube and Vimeo have already fallen, many sites already have iPhone friendly versions and a lot of people have no problem at all paying 99¢ for versions of their beloved online Flash games.
I don't think people are grasping the growing clout of Apple's mobile devices, and their ability to dictate terms. It doesn't have a blessed thing to do with liking or disliking Flash or loyalty or anything like that. It has to do with catering to the wishes of your customers. Apple has unleashed an army of customers, and online providers will follow. It's just good business.
Technically it was just a picture on a page. Its not like Apple showed someone clicking on a flash video and it actually played.
True, but it's implied by the picture. You'd think they would have used a non-flash site for those promo's, theres some damn good sites that don't run flash.
Once Hulu starts offering non-flash version of content-- and they will, do you think they don't care about millions and millions of Apple devices and the ad dollars they represent?-- it'll be pretty much game over. You Tube and Vimeo have already fallen, many sites already have iPhone friendly versions and a lot of people have no problem at all paying 99¢ for versions of their beloved online Flash games.
I don't think people are grasping the growing clout of Apple's mobile devices, and their ability to dictate terms. It doesn't have a blessed thing to do with liking or disliking Flash or loyalty or anything like that. It has to do with catering to the wishes of your customers. Apple has unleashed an army of customers, and online providers will follow. It's just good business.
The next step youtube needs to make is convert embedded youtube video to HTML5.
Why can't people decide them self if they want Flash or not? Why do you want Steve Jobs tell you what you can or can't do? Seriously, that's called "Stockholm syndrome".
Because Apple is pushing to replace Flash with technology that will in the long term be better. Ultimately that's all I care about.
I'm not a fan of Flash. Even on a desktop OS. But Flash is a part of the web so a web device should support it. Period. If Flash is buggy on Mac OS (and iPhone OS) Apple should work together with Adobe to fix it. If you don't want it, OK, just disable it.
You need to read more about the history of Apple and Adobe, Apple has tried to work with Adobe in the past and Adobe turned them down cold. This more than anything will force Adobe to improve Flash, and if they don't it will be replaced by a superior technology, either way its to the benefit of us all.
I'm saying the way its currently set up the iPad will display video from mobile sites. At the same time mobile websites are designed for finger UI touch screens, so they are still more appropriate for the iPad than websites designed for pixel accurate pointers.
So will the iPad deliver the full internet or not? Doesn't sound like it.
I'm disappointed that they didn't release a fully finished product, but they still have a few months to get the software up to snuff. I hope they can do it.
Speak for yourself. I am iPhone OS user and I need Flash. Likewise, most if not all iPhone users I know want it.
Sorry, but 30 million iPhone users are quite happy without it. My Aunt Mildred doesn't even know what Flash IS, and yet she loves her iPhone. Maybe it would be good for you, but the iPhone wasn't designed to play Flash. I'm glad the Flash isn't on the iPhone because it is buggy and drains the battery. Who needs that?
I agree, but if the vast majority of the web uses flash, how can Steve Jobs boast a great web experience on the iPad? When is HTML 5 going to be universally adopted? in a year? 2 years? 5? I think half the value of iPad is the web experience on a screen larger than my iPhone's.
I love the thought of getting on the web quickly without powering up my laptop or desktop. But not being able to watch a TV show on Hulu or a video on CNN, what's the point? I'm just tired of Jobs peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining. It's not a great user experience if half the web is unavailable to me.
Spot on.
I'm getting tired of people telling me how bad Flash is. It is one of the most common web standards today. I can live without it on small iPhone screen, as I browse on iPhone mostly for (text) information. But on full screen device like iPad, capable of presenting web page without constant zooming in and out, omission of Flash is big problem for me.
Flash is old and crappy? So is English. Or Chinese - that alphabet is nightmare. Lets scrap them and move whole world to Esperanto. It's modern language, easy to learn, fluid and efficient.
You reckon that'll happen any time soon?
I don't think Apple can bully web into ditching Flash any time soon. Flash will be around long time after this generation of iPad gets redundant.
The fastest growing site for video access is Facebook, that largely is because people link video from all over the web on Facebook. Facebook has said it is actively working to provide HTML5 video links for mobile devices. That functionality will be available soon.
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Once Hulu starts offering non-flash version of content-- and they will, do you think they don't care about millions and millions of Apple devices and the ad dollars they represent?-- it'll be pretty much game over. You Tube and Vimeo have already fallen, many sites already have iPhone friendly versions and a lot of people have no problem at all paying 99¢ for versions of their beloved online Flash games.
The fastest growing site for video access is Facebook, that largely is because people link video from all over the web on Facebook. Facebook has said it is actively working to provide HTML5 video links for mobile devices. That functionality will be available soon.
You're right, I forgot about that. That's probably the game changer, right there.
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Good, we don't need flash.
Want 75 million iPhone OS users visiting and using your site?
Dump Flash or provide alternatives.
Adapt or lose.
No, thanks. I think we are fine with the 1+ billion Windows users.
How great would the user experience be when the browser crashes every couple of minutes, and the battery is dead in an hour?
Them Flash grapes would've been SOUR. Who needs them?
The way the mobile web is set up now is that animated graphics and videos don't play unless you initiate them. That way the page loads faster. One the iPhone embedded video plays full screen automatically. What's the point of watching a tiny embedded video on a small screen.
Well, it works great on the Nexus One. So why shouldn't it on the iPad?
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashpla...1/popup10.html
So you have a working Nexus using Flash or was it just vapourware?
I seem to recall Steve Jobs telling Adobe that they didn't want Flash-Lite on the iPhone and to come back with a full featured version.
Well that was over three years ago and what has Adobe got?
Well, it works great on the Nexus One. So why shouldn't it on the iPad?
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashpla...1/popup10.html
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It's not a great user experience if half the web is unavailable to me.
What half of the web are you talking about? Currently on the iPhone every web site I frequent is freely available. The only half I can think that has not actively embraced mobile streaming is porn. Which is surprising, they like to brag about being on the edge of technology. There is no reason for them to be behind.
By saying that the iPad will display mobile sites instead of the full sites, I think that you are making his point for him.
I'm saying the way its currently set up the iPad will display video from mobile sites. At the same time mobile websites are designed for finger UI touch screens, so they are still more appropriate for the iPad than websites designed for pixel accurate pointers.
The irony of that presentation is that it shows us exactly what we don't want on the internet.
The way the mobile web is set up now is that animated graphics and videos don't play unless you initiate them. That way the page loads faster. One the iPhone embedded video plays full screen automatically. What's the point of watching a tiny embedded video on a small screen.
Why can't people decide them self if they want Flash or not? Why do you want Steve Jobs tell you what you can or can't do? Seriously, that's called "Stockholm syndrome".
I'm not a fan of Flash. Even on a desktop OS. But Flash is a part of the web so a web device should support it. Period. If Flash is buggy on Mac OS (and iPhone OS) Apple should work together with Adobe to fix it. If you don't want it, OK, just disable it.
There was a theory floating around that Flash was not forthcoming because AT&T didn't want people using bandwidth up streaming TV shows. Does anyone else still think that?
Good, we don't need flash.
Want 75 million iPhone OS users visiting and using your site?
Dump Flash or provide alternatives.
Adapt or lose.
Speak for yourself. I am iPhone OS user and I need Flash. Likewise, most if not all iPhone users I know want it. There is big number of iPhone users that don't just follow SJ commands, and Apple is risking to lose them in future by ignoring current standards.
I find it funny that all the comments so far have been debating whether the device should have flash or not. It completely misses the fact that Apple was advertising something that didn't actually run on the product. Is that really lost on everyone? Or is it selective avoidance to not admit apple was falsely advertising the iPad running flash?
Sorry your link is broken, it doesn't work on my iPhone.
So you have a working Nexus using Flash or was it just vapourware?
I seem to recall Steve Jobs telling Adobe that they didn't want Flash-Lite on the iPhone and to come back with a full featured version.
Well that was over three years ago and what has Adobe got?
The link is not broken but your device can't handle the full web
I don't think people are grasping the growing clout of Apple's mobile devices, and their ability to dictate terms. It doesn't have a blessed thing to do with liking or disliking Flash or loyalty or anything like that. It has to do with catering to the wishes of your customers. Apple has unleashed an army of customers, and online providers will follow. It's just good business.
Technically it was just a picture on a page. Its not like Apple showed someone clicking on a flash video and it actually played.
True, but it's implied by the picture. You'd think they would have used a non-flash site for those promo's, theres some damn good sites that don't run flash.
Once Hulu starts offering non-flash version of content-- and they will, do you think they don't care about millions and millions of Apple devices and the ad dollars they represent?-- it'll be pretty much game over. You Tube and Vimeo have already fallen, many sites already have iPhone friendly versions and a lot of people have no problem at all paying 99¢ for versions of their beloved online Flash games.
I don't think people are grasping the growing clout of Apple's mobile devices, and their ability to dictate terms. It doesn't have a blessed thing to do with liking or disliking Flash or loyalty or anything like that. It has to do with catering to the wishes of your customers. Apple has unleashed an army of customers, and online providers will follow. It's just good business.
The next step youtube needs to make is convert embedded youtube video to HTML5.
Why can't people decide them self if they want Flash or not? Why do you want Steve Jobs tell you what you can or can't do? Seriously, that's called "Stockholm syndrome".
Because Apple is pushing to replace Flash with technology that will in the long term be better. Ultimately that's all I care about.
MLB.TV
I'm not a fan of Flash. Even on a desktop OS. But Flash is a part of the web so a web device should support it. Period. If Flash is buggy on Mac OS (and iPhone OS) Apple should work together with Adobe to fix it. If you don't want it, OK, just disable it.
You need to read more about the history of Apple and Adobe, Apple has tried to work with Adobe in the past and Adobe turned them down cold. This more than anything will force Adobe to improve Flash, and if they don't it will be replaced by a superior technology, either way its to the benefit of us all.
I'm saying the way its currently set up the iPad will display video from mobile sites. At the same time mobile websites are designed for finger UI touch screens, so they are still more appropriate for the iPad than websites designed for pixel accurate pointers.
So will the iPad deliver the full internet or not? Doesn't sound like it.
I'm disappointed that they didn't release a fully finished product, but they still have a few months to get the software up to snuff. I hope they can do it.
Speak for yourself. I am iPhone OS user and I need Flash. Likewise, most if not all iPhone users I know want it.
Sorry, but 30 million iPhone users are quite happy without it. My Aunt Mildred doesn't even know what Flash IS, and yet she loves her iPhone. Maybe it would be good for you, but the iPhone wasn't designed to play Flash. I'm glad the Flash isn't on the iPhone because it is buggy and drains the battery. Who needs that?
I agree, but if the vast majority of the web uses flash, how can Steve Jobs boast a great web experience on the iPad? When is HTML 5 going to be universally adopted? in a year? 2 years? 5? I think half the value of iPad is the web experience on a screen larger than my iPhone's.
I love the thought of getting on the web quickly without powering up my laptop or desktop. But not being able to watch a TV show on Hulu or a video on CNN, what's the point? I'm just tired of Jobs peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining. It's not a great user experience if half the web is unavailable to me.
Spot on.
I'm getting tired of people telling me how bad Flash is. It is one of the most common web standards today. I can live without it on small iPhone screen, as I browse on iPhone mostly for (text) information. But on full screen device like iPad, capable of presenting web page without constant zooming in and out, omission of Flash is big problem for me.
Flash is old and crappy? So is English. Or Chinese - that alphabet is nightmare. Lets scrap them and move whole world to Esperanto. It's modern language, easy to learn, fluid and efficient.
You reckon that'll happen any time soon?
I don't think Apple can bully web into ditching Flash any time soon. Flash will be around long time after this generation of iPad gets redundant.
Once Hulu starts offering non-flash version of content-- and they will, do you think they don't care about millions and millions of Apple devices and the ad dollars they represent?-- it'll be pretty much game over. You Tube and Vimeo have already fallen, many sites already have iPhone friendly versions and a lot of people have no problem at all paying 99¢ for versions of their beloved online Flash games.
The fastest growing site for video access is Facebook, that largely is because people link video from all over the web on Facebook. Facebook has said it is actively working to provide HTML5 video links for mobile devices. That functionality will be available soon.
You're right, I forgot about that. That's probably the game changer, right there.