Rumors of a Verizon-compatible CDMA Apple iPad persist

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
Despite Apple last week introducing an AT&T-only 3G data plan for the iPad in the U.S., rumors continue to persist that the hardware maker will introduce a CDMA-capable model for the Verizon network.



Citing a source within Verizon, Silicon Alley Insider reported Monday that a CDMA-compatible iPad is "still in the works."



Introduced last week, the new iPad comes in a 3G-enabled version with a $130 price premium. The GSM-only version will offer no-contract data plans with AT&T, running $15 per month for 250MB of data, or $30 per month for unlimited access.



If the rumor proves accurate, a Verizon-compatible iPad would likely be an entirely new hardware version, rather than a "world mode" device. The 3G-capable AT&T iPad is scheduled to launch in three months.



In addition to Monday's anonymous tip, analysts Brian Marshall, with Broadpoint AmTech, and Ashok Kumar, with Northeast Securities, also said they still believe a Verizon iPad will arrive in the near future. Both incorrectly predicted that Apple would introduce a Verizon-capable iPad last week.



Last week, Apple executives made a clear effort to demonstrate they are happy with their partnership with AT&T. The company also aimed to downplay speculation that the iPhone would become available on multiple carriers in the U.S.



On a conference call following its quarterly earnings report, Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook said multi-carrier strategies are not the best option for every country.



"I don't want to imply that would happen in every market or that we are headed that way in every market," Cook said. He also specifically defended AT&T and said the nation's second-largest wireless carrier is working to alleviate coverage concerns across the country.



In the months of lead-up to the iPad announcement last week, numerous reports suggested Apple would introduce devices compatible with the networks of both AT&T and Verizon. Marshall went as far as to call Verizon compatibility "a certainty."



Contacted by Silicon Alley Insider, the analyst said he's "not 100 percent sure" what happened, but he believes a Verizon iPad is coming in the near-term, and a CDMA iPhone will arrive in the second half of 2010.



Analysts now believe a partnership with Verizon -- perhaps for both the iPhone and the iPad -- could be unveiled at the Worldwide Developers Conference this summer. A calendar listing for San Francisco's Moscone Center has led some to believe that WWDC 2010 could take place between June 28 and July 2.
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  • Reply 1 of 73
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Contacted by Silicon Alley Insider, the analyst said he's "not 100 percent sure" what happened, but he believes a Verizon iPad is coming in the near-term, and a CDMA iPhone will arrive in the second half of 2010.



    come on now.
  • Reply 2 of 73
    iPad/iPhone running on verizon network rumors are the new Macs running on Intel hardware rumors.



    I'm sure Apple is concurrently developing hardware for the Verizon network but just hasn't released it yet for whatever reason. Probably cause Verizon is too arrogant. You can't have two arrogant people in a marriage.
  • Reply 3 of 73
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,152member
    Man they are trying hard to get Verizon shares higher!
  • Reply 4 of 73
    Why would Apple spend the time and effort to do this, when Verizon is switching to a global standard next year?
  • Reply 5 of 73
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    If Apple allows BT tethering, just use your Droid. Or a couple of them if you need to talk at the same time.
  • Reply 6 of 73
    Verizon, you blew it....twice. In 2007 with the iPhone and now in 2010 with the iPad. The entire world is going to HSPA-3G (Apple iPad, Amazon Kindle, Sony eReader)....no one wants to build a CDMA product. They want 1 product....that works for most of the world.



    If I were you, I would have offered Apple, Amazon, Sony full engineering support (read $s) for CDMA versions of their products.



    For now, you must wait on the sidelines until 2014 when your 4G footprint is large enough to support these devices.



    Enough of the rumors, false hopes, and scare tactics to keep your customers from defecting. Sad.....very sad.
  • Reply 7 of 73
    ndengndeng Posts: 14member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post


    Verizon, you blew it....twice. In 2007 with the iPhone and now in 2010 with the iPad. The entire world is going to HSPA-3G (Apple iPad, Amazon Kindle, Sony eReader)....no one wants to build a CDMA product. They want 1 product....that works for most of the world.



    If I were you, I would have offered Apple, Amazon, Sony full engineering support (read $s) for CDMA versions of their products.



    For now, you must wait on the sidelines until 2014 when your 4G footprint is large enough to support these devices.



    Enough of the rumors, false hopes, and scare tactics to keep your customers from defecting. Sad.....very sad.





    Agree ! Totally !



    Unless Verizon can come up with a SIM card, that means easy of use, users are not locked in to device like all Verizon's phones.
  • Reply 8 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Despite Apple last week introducing an AT&T-only 3G data plan for the iPad in the U.S., rumors continue to persist that the hardware maker will introduce a CDMA-capable model for the Verizon network.



    Citing a source within Verizon, Silicon Alley Insider reported Monday that a CDMA-compatible iPad is "still in the works."



    Introduced last week, the new iPad comes in a 3G-enabled version with a $130 price premium. The GSM-only version will offer no-contract data plans with AT&T, running $15 per month for 250MB of data, or $30 per month for unlimited access.



    If the rumor proves accurate, a Verizon-compatible iPad would likely be an entirely new hardware version, rather than a "world mode" device. The 3G-capable AT&T iPad is scheduled to launch in three months.



    In addition to Monday's anonymous tip, analysts Brian Marshall, with Broadpoint AmTech, and Ashok Kumar, with Northeast Securities, also said they still believe a Verizon iPad will arrive in the near future. Both incorrectly predicted that Apple would introduce a Verizon-capable iPad last week.



    Last week, Apple executives made a clear effort to demonstrate they are happy with their partnership with AT&T. The company also aimed to downplay speculation that the iPhone would become available on multiple carriers in the U.S.



    On a conference call following its quarterly earnings report, Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook said multi-carrier strategies are not the best option for every country.



    "I don't want to imply that would happen in every market or that we are headed that way in every market," Cook said. He also specifically defended AT&T and said the nation's second-largest wireless carrier is working to alleviate coverage concerns across the country.



    In the months of lead-up to the iPad announcement last week, numerous reports suggested Apple would introduce devices compatible with the networks of both AT&T and Verizon. Marshall went as far as to call Verizon compatibility "a certainty."



    Contacted by Silicon Alley Insider, the analyst said he's "not 100 percent sure" what happened, but he believes a Verizon iPad is coming in the near-term, and a CDMA iPhone will arrive in the second half of 2010.



    Analysts now believe a partnership with Verizon -- perhaps for both the iPhone and the iPad -- could be unveiled at the Worldwide Developers Conference this summer. A calendar listing for San Francisco's Moscone Center has led some to believe that WWDC 2010 could take place between June 28 and July 2.



    This is vaporware designed to keep Verizon customers fleeing for AT&T to get the iPad. Verizon sucks.
  • Reply 9 of 73
    Yawn.
  • Reply 10 of 73
    The way investors continue to create fact out of fiction never ceases to amaze me.



    These folks are on the hook for creating a reality that isn't happening and need to continue to feed this as fact.
  • Reply 11 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    The 3G-capable AT&T iPad is scheduled to launch in three months.



    I've seen this "3 months" in several articles. How do they get 3 months from 60 days?
  • Reply 12 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kirkgray View Post


    I've seen this "3 months" in several articles. How do they get 3 months from 60 days?



    60 days for the wifi iPad. 90 days for the 3G enabled one.
  • Reply 13 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Despite Apple last week introducing an AT&T-only 3G data plan for the iPad in the U.S., rumors continue to persist that the hardware maker will introduce a CDMA-capable model for the Verizon network.




    I think Apple engaged in talks with Verizon to get better pricing for AT&T on the iPad. The second SKU just for Verizon is not all that attractive to Apple. They are a world-company now and developing a CDMA iPad is a distraction.
  • Reply 14 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kirkgray View Post


    I've seen this "3 months" in several articles. How do they get 3 months from 60 days?



    Apple's page says shipping late March for the WiFi version and April for the WiFi+3G.



    http://www.apple.com/ipad/
  • Reply 15 of 73
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cwoloszynski View Post


    I think Apple engaged in talks with Verizon to get better pricing for AT&T on the iPad. The second SKU just for Verizon is not all that attractive to Apple. They are a world-company now and developing a CDMA iPad is a distraction.



    There may be some truth to that but if Apple was not able to easily make different configurations they wouldn't be offering 6 different SKUs in the first place. It would be easy enough to have a CDMA version if they really wanted to, it could even have Flash, but for some reason I think we'll see neither.
  • Reply 16 of 73
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    I Think Steve Would Call CDMA a "Rounding Error"
  • Reply 17 of 73
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kirkgray View Post


    I've seen this "3 months" in several articles. How do they get 3 months from 60 days?



    The Wi-Fi only version, starting at $499, is expected to ship by the end of March. The 3G-enabled version, which carries a $130 premium, should arrive a month later.
  • Reply 18 of 73
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
    Advantages of CDMA include:



    Increased cellular communications security.

    Simultaneous conversations.

    Increased efficiency, meaning that the carrier can serve more subscribers.

    Smaller phones.

    Low power requirements and little cell-to-cell coordination needed by operators.

    Extended reach - beneficial to rural users situated far from cells.

    Disadvantages of CDMA include:

    Due to its proprietary nature, all of CDMA's flaws are not known to the engineering community.

    CDMA is relatively new, and the network is not as mature as GSM.

    CDMA cannot offer international roaming, a large GSM advantage.





    The Euro-Asian Alternative: GSM



    Analysts consider Qualcomm's major competitive disadvantage to be its lack of access to the European market now controlled by Global System for Mobile communications (GSM). The wireless world is now divided into GSM (much of Western Europe) and CDMA (North America and parts of Asia).



    Bad timing may have prevented the evolution of one, single global wireless standard. Just two years before CDMA's 1995 introduction in Hong Kong, European carriers and manufacturers chose to support the first available digital technology - Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA). GSM uses TDMA as its core technology. Therefore, since the majority of wireless users are in Europe and Asia, GSM has taken the worldwide lead as the technology of choice.



    Mobile Handset manufacturers ultimately split into two camps, as Motorola, Lucent, and Nextel chose CDMA, and Nokia and Ericsson eventually pushed these companies out and became the dominant GSM players.



    Advantages of GSM:

    GSM is already used worldwide with over 450 million subscribers.

    International roaming permits subscribers to use one phone throughout Western Europe. CDMA will work in Asia, but not France, Germany, the U.K. and other popular European destinations.

    GSM is mature, having started in the mid-80s. This maturity means a more stable network with robust features. CDMA is still building its network.

    GSM's maturity means engineers cut their teeth on the technology, creating an unconscious preference.

    The availability of Subscriber Identity Modules, which are smart cards that provide secure data encryption give GSM m-commerce advantages.

    In brief, GSM is a "more elegant way to upgrade to 3G," says Strategis Group senior wireless analyst Adam Guy.



    Disadvantages of GSM:

    Lack of access to burgeoning American market.





    Today, the battle between CDMA and GSM is muddled. Where at one point Europe clearly favored GSM and North America, CDMA, the distinct advantage of one over the other has blurred as major carriers like AT&T Wireless begin to support GSM, and recent trials even showed compatibility between the two technologies.



    GSM still holds the upper hand however. There's the numerical advantage for one thing: 456 million GSM users versus CDMA's 82 million.
  • Reply 19 of 73
    As somebody said, "Verizon sucks !!"



    Apple hates Verizon. Steve believes in loyalty. At one of the Walter Mossberg (D3, or D4 , or whatever) conferences, he told Walter that he was grateful to AT&T for taking a chance on Apple even before AT&T had seen the iPhone. And that he (Steve) would never forget that.



    All this talk about iPhone, or iPad, for Verizon is just hooey.



    What Apple wants to do is work with AT&T to change the game in the cellphone industry. See how the iPad has a data only plan? I bet something similar will come to the iPhone. Apple knows that if you lower prices, you can gain market share. If AT&T makes it cheaper to use an iPhone compared to other smartphones, you will have a large number of people go from Verizon to AT&T. But, AT&T needs to beef up its network capacity. Once the network is capable of handling a larger volume of traffic, you will see pricing changes. No separate voice and data prices, just one fixed price per month, and perhaps like the iPad, no contract. Simple, just what Apple likes.



    I also think Apple will never build anything CDMA. They like as few models in their product line as possible. Easy to manage inventory.
  • Reply 20 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Despite Apple last week introducing an AT&T-only 3G data plan for the iPad in the U.S., rumors continue to persist that the hardware maker will introduce a CDMA-capable model for the Verizon network.



    The rumors can "persist" all they want. It ain't gonna happen.
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