For all of you who "could care less," because you have a beautiful wife, or you wouldn't dream of watching something as juvenile ass jiggly boobs... the point is Apple acting as the "moral authority" or what is appropriate.
Now, lets look at the double standard. I guarantee, in less that 5-minutes I could come up with 100 songs and videos on iTunes that do more harm to women, homosexuals, and other people through their lyrics and portrayals of certain people. So because Apple can charge $1.29 for outrageous and morally corrupt music - that is OK... but they can censor application content?
I agree with your sentiment, but unfortunately there is a precedent already set for what music should and shouldnt be sold, which Apple has nothing to do with, whereas Apps are a blank slate. It is a shame they are not more open to allowing Adult App content but I would hesitate to call it a double standard.
Lets face it, if you want real porn on the iphone you would hit up sites like pornhub in safari. These little apps are really only targeting young boys and that is reason enough to ban them.
Oh My God! Think of the children people. This is great news. The damage to a toddlers brain if they happened to just glance at this app would be irreparable. Way to go Apple!
On a serious note I think this is the wrong decision by Apple. If you don't want the app than do not buy it.
Frankly, I'm not interested in porn. I prefer my women clothed -- the mystery is more interesting to me than having the details handed over. Nor does crudeness for the sake of crudeness, or content intended to shock, amuse me in the least. I prefer sophisticated women and refined humor. Yet I find this move by Apple to be despicable.
We know that Apple has elected to control the immediate content of their product, and under our laws, either they can do that, or at least, no one has successfully figured out how to frame the question well enough to get it into court in such a way as to remove that ability.
All that said, I find the attempt to mother consumers -- both the "you can only buy apps here" and the "only apps we find to be 'safe' by our own definition" to be offensive and inappropriate. It is also arrogant.
As for the people who complained -- they're simply beneath my contempt.
Because the iPod has a web browser, absolutely no "protecting" of anyone is achieved by this move. It is literally striking an entirely fake pose. To actually achieve anything close to such a goal, the device would have to have the web browser capability, and Photo library capability, and video playback capability, all removed -- at the very least. Which of course leaves the web browser on the PC you must have to support the iPod close to hand and ready to find materials sufficient to widen anyone's eyes within seconds.
Despite having spent years defending laissez faire, I still have to say that I'm happy with apple trying to keep it's environs from degrading into the cesspool that the rest of the Internet has become.
We know that Apple has elected to control the immediate content of their product, and under our laws, either they can do that, or at least, no one has successfully figured out how to frame the question well enough to get it into court in such a way as to remove that ability.
All that said, I find the attempt to mother consumers -- both the "you can only buy apps here" and the "only apps we find to be 'safe' by our own definition" to be offensive and inappropriate. It is also arrogant.
It is not arrogant or mothering consumers at all. What is the difference between a brick and mortar store and a digital store?
There are many video stores that have a backroom section, go there, but a lot of families like going to BlockBuster, or RedBox where no such content is available. Should they be name called because they don't offer porn? The argument is quite simple, even a comparison with NetFlix - they don't allow you to rent porn either. Apple has always geared their products for all consumers. Apple does not care to make money off porn. That is why there is mobile Safari, get your porn elsewhere.
I don't understand what is the big deal. It's not like it's a matter of principle, what about he principle of general decency?
There are thousands of bookstores that choose not to sell porn (or erotic) magazines.
Why shouldn't apple have this choice?
Plenty of stores that serve the larger population that don't sell those kind of movies either (in Europe as well!).
Think Best Buy, Borders, Barnes & Nobles, Target, Sears, Harrods, Stockmann(Finland), Kaufhof(Germany), Le Printemps(France)
THe retailer that wants to attract a larger more diverse clientele has the right to selectively not offer certain products that they feel will hurt that larger customer base.
Since very few of the porn or overtly sexual apps have been in the top ten of free or paid or top grossing, it represents a niche for the App Store, and probably is not worth losing more significant business over.
I don't think it has to do with moral attitude as much as with dollars.
Apple shouldn't be playing judge with the App Store, rather have sections for certain content, like Adult (with age verification), Juvenile and Religious.
Apple has no right to deny the rights of people from seeing content they are legally entitled to just to appease those who are intolerant.
Religious types go as far as denying themselves watching TV and reading newspapers to shut themselves out of vital information about the world and events around them.
Consumers need a way to acquire online porn in a safe manner, a Adult section on the App Store would avoid all the malware, illegal images and hack attempts traditional porn sites deliver and make Apple a bundle of cash in the process.
There are people who need jobs and have no qualms about verifying porn Apps, a separate building can be used for these employees if there is a issue with other workers in what they do.
Denying porn apps just gives one more reason for people to jailbreak their iPhone and iPad.
And porn isn't going to disappear, unless the human race does first.
Are the fundamentalist nutbags that I assume complained to Apple also the teabagging idiots screaming "I want my country back! Big Government get out of my medicine cabinet! Obama is a Nazi Socialist!" Seems like they only mind censorship when it doesn't agree with them. FAIL.
Lets face it, if you want real porn on the iphone you would hit up sites like pornhub in safari. These little apps are really only targeting young boys and that is reason enough to ban them.
Not sure of the second sentence but the first is all anyone needs to know. Is this going to turn into another Psystar-like uproar of people complaining that they can't get their pictures of boobs from Apple because Apple is such a horrible tyrant? I really don't get the uproar. They're sucky little stupid apps that fill the store with noise. I mean, it's not like there's any such apps there worth having.
People complaining that Apple should have a backroom xxx section must be the same ones who say to boycott the neighborhood Italian restaurant because it doesn't serve nachos.
Oh My God! Think of the children people. This is great news. The damage to a toddlers brain if they happened to just glance at this app would be irreparable. Way to go Apple!
On a serious note I think this is the wrong decision by Apple. If you don't want the app than do not buy it.
This has a point, the focus on nudity and sex as the source of all evil is absurd.
I have gone back and forth about Apple's policies on this. I by and large like the "everything in one place" approach that the app store offers, but it does put Apple in a position of some responsibility. Even if that responsibility is indirect. I'd like to see Apple put in some sort of restricted access system, but how would they effectively police it? And if a porn app gets in the hands of a child of one of these crusaders (and I do think that is an appropriate word, with all that it implies), I would not want to be in Apple's shoes. These people and their misplaced notions of right and wrong can do serious harm to a company.
I doubt Apple is really being the "moral police", as some people have called it. I might be wrong, but I think the evidence supports it. They are making a business decision, and that decision is based on fear of repercussions from a very powerful lobby. If they actually believed in this, they could very easily block porn sites through Safari on the iPhone. However, they supply the app, so they MIGHT share in responsibility if anything gets into the hands of a child. And whether they are legally or ethically responsible or not, they will be blamed. A company like Apple cannot afford that.
I don't want to see the demise of the app store though. Having used both Blackberry and Windows Mobile, I do prefer this approach. Others may have other opinions. But, the fact is that there is choice. Nobody forces anyone to use Apple products. This "freedom to choose" argument gets overused and misused a lot. Too many people think that their freedom to choose should mean that everyone else (people or companies) is forced to do what they want. Get over yourself, look around at the damage that this sort of thing causes. There are people on both sides of this issue who are guilty of this.
To link the consumption of adult entertainment to sexual predation would be just plain stupid.
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According to the United States organization The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) and other international sources, child pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry and among the fastest growing criminal segments on the Internet.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] According to the NCMEC, approximately one fifth of all Internet pornography is child pornography.
Do you really think that there is an absolute disconnect between adult entertainment and child porn?
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According to the Mayo Clinic of the U.S.A., studies and case reports indicate that 30% to 80% of individuals who viewed child pornography and 76% of individuals who were arrested for Internet child pornography had molested a child?
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?predators often send adult porn to children to desensitize them from sexual content and child porn to show the child that other children are sexual; sending them a message that it is okay.
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For all of you who "could care less," because you have a beautiful wife, or you wouldn't dream of watching something as juvenile ass jiggly boobs... the point is Apple acting as the "moral authority" or what is appropriate.
Now, lets look at the double standard. I guarantee, in less that 5-minutes I could come up with 100 songs and videos on iTunes that do more harm to women, homosexuals, and other people through their lyrics and portrayals of certain people. So because Apple can charge $1.29 for outrageous and morally corrupt music - that is OK... but they can censor application content?
I agree with your sentiment, but unfortunately there is a precedent already set for what music should and shouldnt be sold, which Apple has nothing to do with, whereas Apps are a blank slate. It is a shame they are not more open to allowing Adult App content but I would hesitate to call it a double standard.
If the public want boobs, let them have boobs.
Apple has never been about what the public wants. They are all about what is best for us.
For example, we all would eat candy and sweets all day, but Apple makes us eat our vegetables, or we won't get dessert.
Steve knows best.
Get your porn elsewhere folks! Don't rob the integrity of the app store with that filth!
On a serious note I think this is the wrong decision by Apple. If you don't want the app than do not buy it.
We know that Apple has elected to control the immediate content of their product, and under our laws, either they can do that, or at least, no one has successfully figured out how to frame the question well enough to get it into court in such a way as to remove that ability.
All that said, I find the attempt to mother consumers -- both the "you can only buy apps here" and the "only apps we find to be 'safe' by our own definition" to be offensive and inappropriate. It is also arrogant.
As for the people who complained -- they're simply beneath my contempt.
Because the iPod has a web browser, absolutely no "protecting" of anyone is achieved by this move. It is literally striking an entirely fake pose. To actually achieve anything close to such a goal, the device would have to have the web browser capability, and Photo library capability, and video playback capability, all removed -- at the very least. Which of course leaves the web browser on the PC you must have to support the iPod close to hand and ready to find materials sufficient to widen anyone's eyes within seconds.
BRAVO APPLE!!!!!
Get your porn elsewhere folks! Don't rob the integrity of the app store with that filth!
Is this why iSteve hates FLASH?
Flash porn clogs up his MAcs?
We know that Apple has elected to control the immediate content of their product, and under our laws, either they can do that, or at least, no one has successfully figured out how to frame the question well enough to get it into court in such a way as to remove that ability.
All that said, I find the attempt to mother consumers -- both the "you can only buy apps here" and the "only apps we find to be 'safe' by our own definition" to be offensive and inappropriate. It is also arrogant.
It is not arrogant or mothering consumers at all. What is the difference between a brick and mortar store and a digital store?
There are many video stores that have a backroom section, go there, but a lot of families like going to BlockBuster, or RedBox where no such content is available. Should they be name called because they don't offer porn? The argument is quite simple, even a comparison with NetFlix - they don't allow you to rent porn either. Apple has always geared their products for all consumers. Apple does not care to make money off porn. That is why there is mobile Safari, get your porn elsewhere.
I don't understand what is the big deal. It's not like it's a matter of principle, what about he principle of general decency?
Why shouldn't apple have this choice?
Plenty of stores that serve the larger population that don't sell those kind of movies either (in Europe as well!).
Think Best Buy, Borders, Barnes & Nobles, Target, Sears, Harrods, Stockmann(Finland), Kaufhof(Germany), Le Printemps(France)
THe retailer that wants to attract a larger more diverse clientele has the right to selectively not offer certain products that they feel will hurt that larger customer base.
Since very few of the porn or overtly sexual apps have been in the top ten of free or paid or top grossing, it represents a niche for the App Store, and probably is not worth losing more significant business over.
I don't think it has to do with moral attitude as much as with dollars.
Apple has no right to deny the rights of people from seeing content they are legally entitled to just to appease those who are intolerant.
Religious types go as far as denying themselves watching TV and reading newspapers to shut themselves out of vital information about the world and events around them.
Consumers need a way to acquire online porn in a safe manner, a Adult section on the App Store would avoid all the malware, illegal images and hack attempts traditional porn sites deliver and make Apple a bundle of cash in the process.
There are people who need jobs and have no qualms about verifying porn Apps, a separate building can be used for these employees if there is a issue with other workers in what they do.
Denying porn apps just gives one more reason for people to jailbreak their iPhone and iPad.
And porn isn't going to disappear, unless the human race does first.
The cries for censorship emanate from American "fanatics" . Let them not buy the offerings or preferably move to Afghanistan.
IF you searched for iBooks in the days after the iPad launch you were suggested their app.
"Did you mean iBoobs"?
(see screenshots from my iphone)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...f&id=732033180
I have to imagine that some people who weren't looking for that ended up complaining when they got that message.
They may be the victim of a bad recommendation engine algorithm.
Lets face it, if you want real porn on the iphone you would hit up sites like pornhub in safari. These little apps are really only targeting young boys and that is reason enough to ban them.
Not sure of the second sentence but the first is all anyone needs to know. Is this going to turn into another Psystar-like uproar of people complaining that they can't get their pictures of boobs from Apple because Apple is such a horrible tyrant? I really don't get the uproar. They're sucky little stupid apps that fill the store with noise. I mean, it's not like there's any such apps there worth having.
People complaining that Apple should have a backroom xxx section must be the same ones who say to boycott the neighborhood Italian restaurant because it doesn't serve nachos.
Oh My God! Think of the children people. This is great news. The damage to a toddlers brain if they happened to just glance at this app would be irreparable. Way to go Apple!
On a serious note I think this is the wrong decision by Apple. If you don't want the app than do not buy it.
This has a point, the focus on nudity and sex as the source of all evil is absurd.
I have gone back and forth about Apple's policies on this. I by and large like the "everything in one place" approach that the app store offers, but it does put Apple in a position of some responsibility. Even if that responsibility is indirect. I'd like to see Apple put in some sort of restricted access system, but how would they effectively police it? And if a porn app gets in the hands of a child of one of these crusaders (and I do think that is an appropriate word, with all that it implies), I would not want to be in Apple's shoes. These people and their misplaced notions of right and wrong can do serious harm to a company.
I doubt Apple is really being the "moral police", as some people have called it. I might be wrong, but I think the evidence supports it. They are making a business decision, and that decision is based on fear of repercussions from a very powerful lobby. If they actually believed in this, they could very easily block porn sites through Safari on the iPhone. However, they supply the app, so they MIGHT share in responsibility if anything gets into the hands of a child. And whether they are legally or ethically responsible or not, they will be blamed. A company like Apple cannot afford that.
I don't want to see the demise of the app store though. Having used both Blackberry and Windows Mobile, I do prefer this approach. Others may have other opinions. But, the fact is that there is choice. Nobody forces anyone to use Apple products. This "freedom to choose" argument gets overused and misused a lot. Too many people think that their freedom to choose should mean that everyone else (people or companies) is forced to do what they want. Get over yourself, look around at the damage that this sort of thing causes. There are people on both sides of this issue who are guilty of this.
To link the consumption of adult entertainment to sexual predation would be just plain stupid.
Censorship in any form is antithetical to both free speech and a democracy. Apple has not been anointed to act as our moral overlord.
The cries for censorship emanate from American "fanatics" . Let them not buy the offerings or preferably move to Afghanistan.
If I heard you right you said, "Apple can't do that because I don't want them to!"
So to deny a company from deciding what it will and will not sell is no longer the right of the company?
What kind of freedom is that? You have a really skewed view if you think that what you are suggesting isn't worse.
Unbelievable how quickly and blindly people impinge on other people's rights in demand for their personal wants.