safeway still won't stock a lifesize sex doll. Stores can sell what they want or not sell what they don't want.
A much better analogy (and in my eyes a more defensible action than Apple's) would be if Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo announced a ban on new violent games for their gaming systems. People who like to shoot stuff might feel like they were stuck with a device that no longer allowed them to do what they had previously been allowed to, apart from using their existing games. The companies could probably do this from a legal standpoint, and there is certainly a "moral" argument for it, but I think there would be an uproar, and rightly so.
NO. Apple is responding to the expressed standards of its community.
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Apple tried to have a more liberal policy on this class of Apps but the userbase rejected it and wanted higher standards.
In most cases, it's a vocal activist minority, not necessarily representative of any community or user base they claim to represent.
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Another good comment. I agree with you, and as far as I am concerned the perverts who enjoy porn can stay the fuck away from my family or take a bat to the head!
Apple's policy isn't going to make any difference as to where the perverts are relative to your family.
There is a war going on here on earth that started before this world existed. Its a war between right and wrong. Today this war is more sophisticated and well funded by those that support the Wrong side than ever before.
The fact that Porn is a multi billion dollar industry does not make it right. Porn has no place in society. It is on the Wrong side of the war that competes for our lives. Porn devalues societies, devalues women, breaks up marriages, breaks up families, and is an addiction that is harder to break than heroin.
Bravo Apple. Porn or any overtly sexual material is not wanted or needed in the App store.
safeway still won't stock a lifesize sex doll. Stores can sell what they want or not sell what they don't want.
Read my bookshelf analogy a page or two back.
Whether it's sex toys or groceries, what happens when a store has a monopoly, and an entire community is dependent on it?
Try this scenario:
Consumer: What happened to your soup section? I'd like to buy some soup.
Store: We don't carry soup anymore. We don't need to give a reason why.
Consumer: But I bought some here just last week...?
Store: Tough. No soup for you.
It's precisely this situation that gets targeted, by big names moving into town with lower prices and much better selection. Apple would do well to study this, because others in the industry certainly are.
A much better analogy (and in my eyes a more defensible action than Apple's) would be if Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo announced a ban on new violent games for their gaming systems. People who like to shoot stuff might feel like they were stuck with a device that no longer allowed them to do what they had previously been allowed to, apart from using their existing games. The companies could probably do this from a legal standpoint, and there is certainly a "moral" argument for it, but I think there would be an uproar, and rightly so.
The title for my post was "learn what censorship is". In it I was quoting someone elses comment( I think).
I'm all for consumer uproars though. One difference in your analogy is that there is a long history for game systems like Sony and even an established rating system. Although aside from that the question for a business becomes which uproar do you side with, the puritans or the perverts. Since there isn't a large established history of making quality apps for the perverts I suspect apple is trying to appeal to the puritans and figuring the perverts will go with web apps or just web sites. Seems to be the likely sweet spot and since the original mac came out in '84 SJ's goal has always seemed to focus on getting computing power in front of as many people as possible/ average users. Personally I wouldn't mind having an adult section of the app store as long as it had good catagory defination since my preference for apps of that nature of course lean towards a more artistic nature... of course ;^)
then again if my iPhone itself was shaped like a boob I'm sure I'd be more likely to answer calls EVERY time it rings.
Another good comment. I agree with you, and as far as I am concerned the perverts who enjoy porn can stay the fuck away from my family or take a bat to the head!
This seems to be a good argument for keeping violent games off of all platforms.
There needs to be an adult app section with different levels of parental control and access. App store should be free market for any kind of app that developers want to create. Could you imagine how lame the Internet would be if it had the same restrictions that the app store had. I think anyone complaining should be forced to move to China. Do we really want apple to dictate what we get to see on the app store. If apple doesn't wise up they will lose market share sooner or later to an open source invironment. It's only a matter of time before the playing field is even and the consumer will move towards a free market invironment. Apple controlling everything will hurt them in the long run, right now it's working but 10 years from now things will change if they continue to determine what the users can do with their phones.
Another good comment. I agree with you, and as far as I am concerned the perverts who enjoy porn can stay the fuck away from my family or take a bat to the head!
Furthermore, you would kill someone in line at the store for what they do in the
privacy of their own home but have no problem using vulgar language and graphic physical threats on a public forum accessible by children?
Way to lead by example.
Edit: I'm guessing maybe your underlying point is that your one tough hombre and the world should do as
"What about the children? It's all about the children! "
Parents don't buy your kids adult toys. END OF STORY.
I'm all about parental responsibility. At the risk of encouraging someone who doesn't usually bring anything very worthwhile to the table: should apple position the iPhone as an adult toy?
4 pages of posts complaining about not being able to download Wobble iBoobs from the app store.
Oh the humanity!
Really though, this is all very much over the top in my view. Apple is not looking to play the role of anyone's mother here, in fact it really has nothing to do with morals at all. It's all about Apple acting to protect the value of its single most valuable asset.
Its brand image.
Think about it for a moment. Apple has spent millions of dollars over the last several years re-building its brand after what happened to the company's image in the 90's. It's a family friendly image that they are trying to maintain. They very much want to appeal to young people and families with children, for obvious reasons.
The last thing they want to be associated with is selling pornography.
I know, Wobble iBoobs isn't pornography. But the whole "adult content" deal is a slippery slope, ie, "what is the definition of pornography, I don't know but I know it when I see it" debate.
Apple is erring on the side of caution in protecting their brand image. They are taking the highest road, and as a shareholder, I believe they are doing the right thing and applaud them for that.
I go to the Photography Apps and what do I find but loads of sexy guy and gilr apps that are just picture packages. My GF hates porn and I just hate wading through all the crap. I will be glad to see it go.
So Apple must have somebody that is willing to go through all the mess entering the app store. Imagine, first you have this app that is what people call soft porn. Sure some reviewers that are offended by the material have already indicated that they do not want to test the apps. Then Apple could choose to split up the team. The ones who do and the ones who don't. Then the ones who do get more and more porn in. Rich porn companies are pushing these apps with hardcore porn to the app store as they are being accepted. Then you get such a content that it breaks american laws or are just so sick that even the general citizen would be offended by the material . Apple could also move to a model where they only check the code. However, checking the code cannot ensure that an app that is not indicated as 17+ is not porn. You still need reviewers for this job. I remember the news that apple denies repairing computers from smokers because of hazardous toxins for the employee.
I think that Apple wants to distance themselves from perverted dirty masturbating guys who are imagining to have sex with a woman they don't know and cannot touch. All they know is that the woman is a whore (some call her a porn-star) whom has been consumed (yes consumed) by millions of men. I think Apple is a company that believes it makes more money by keeping the app store clean (yes clean) than by letting it be overrun by multi-bilion dollar companies.
And to all the confused folks out there that think that I think that sex, per definition, is dirty really are confused. I don't think sex is dirty at all. However, I am the type of guy that believes that sex is something to be practiced within a relationship with a person you love. Now I might have already mentioned some alien concepts for some. Relationship and love. I probably have lost 80% of the readers by now. Thus I will stop here.
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safeway still won't stock a lifesize sex doll. Stores can sell what they want or not sell what they don't want.
A much better analogy (and in my eyes a more defensible action than Apple's) would be if Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo announced a ban on new violent games for their gaming systems. People who like to shoot stuff might feel like they were stuck with a device that no longer allowed them to do what they had previously been allowed to, apart from using their existing games. The companies could probably do this from a legal standpoint, and there is certainly a "moral" argument for it, but I think there would be an uproar, and rightly so.
NO. Apple is responding to the expressed standards of its community.
Apple tried to have a more liberal policy on this class of Apps but the userbase rejected it and wanted higher standards.
In most cases, it's a vocal activist minority, not necessarily representative of any community or user base they claim to represent.
Another good comment. I agree with you, and as far as I am concerned the perverts who enjoy porn can stay the fuck away from my family or take a bat to the head!
Apple's policy isn't going to make any difference as to where the perverts are relative to your family.
There is a war going on here on earth that started before this world existed. Its a war between right and wrong. Today this war is more sophisticated and well funded by those that support the Wrong side than ever before.
The fact that Porn is a multi billion dollar industry does not make it right. Porn has no place in society. It is on the Wrong side of the war that competes for our lives. Porn devalues societies, devalues women, breaks up marriages, breaks up families, and is an addiction that is harder to break than heroin.
Bravo Apple. Porn or any overtly sexual material is not wanted or needed in the App store.
http://www.safefamilies.org/sfStats.php
Well put and I agree 100%.
Disgusting. Apple/AT&T just lost my family's 5 iPhones/accounts. I refuse to support a closed platform that enforces censorship.
One Nation, Under Shame.
Can't you just get porn for your family of 5 off the internet like every other family?
safeway still won't stock a lifesize sex doll. Stores can sell what they want or not sell what they don't want.
Read my bookshelf analogy a page or two back.
Whether it's sex toys or groceries, what happens when a store has a monopoly, and an entire community is dependent on it?
Try this scenario:
Consumer: What happened to your soup section? I'd like to buy some soup.
Store: We don't carry soup anymore. We don't need to give a reason why.
Consumer: But I bought some here just last week...?
Store: Tough. No soup for you.
It's precisely this situation that gets targeted, by big names moving into town with lower prices and much better selection. Apple would do well to study this, because others in the industry certainly are.
A much better analogy (and in my eyes a more defensible action than Apple's) would be if Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo announced a ban on new violent games for their gaming systems. People who like to shoot stuff might feel like they were stuck with a device that no longer allowed them to do what they had previously been allowed to, apart from using their existing games. The companies could probably do this from a legal standpoint, and there is certainly a "moral" argument for it, but I think there would be an uproar, and rightly so.
The title for my post was "learn what censorship is". In it I was quoting someone elses comment( I think).
I'm all for consumer uproars though. One difference in your analogy is that there is a long history for game systems like Sony and even an established rating system. Although aside from that the question for a business becomes which uproar do you side with, the puritans or the perverts. Since there isn't a large established history of making quality apps for the perverts I suspect apple is trying to appeal to the puritans and figuring the perverts will go with web apps or just web sites. Seems to be the likely sweet spot and since the original mac came out in '84 SJ's goal has always seemed to focus on getting computing power in front of as many people as possible/ average users. Personally I wouldn't mind having an adult section of the app store as long as it had good catagory defination since my preference for apps of that nature of course lean towards a more artistic nature... of course ;^)
then again if my iPhone itself was shaped like a boob I'm sure I'd be more likely to answer calls EVERY time it rings.
Another good comment. I agree with you, and as far as I am concerned the perverts who enjoy porn can stay the fuck away from my family or take a bat to the head!
This seems to be a good argument for keeping violent games off of all platforms.
Another good comment. I agree with you, and as far as I am concerned the perverts who enjoy porn can stay the fuck away from my family or take a bat to the head!
Furthermore, you would kill someone in line at the store for what they do in the
privacy of their own home but have no problem using vulgar language and graphic physical threats on a public forum accessible by children?
Way to lead by example.
Edit: I'm guessing maybe your underlying point is that your one tough hombre and the world should do as
you say, not as you do. Message recieved.
Can't you just get porn for your family of 5 off the internet like every other family?
No because it runs off FLASH and the Steve Poppins hates Flash.
Well put and I agree 100%.
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This seems to be a good argument for keeping violent games off of all platforms.
"What about the children? It's all about the children! "
Parents don't buy your kids adult toys. END OF STORY.
"What about the children? It's all about the children! "
Parents don't buy your kids adult toys. END OF STORY.
I'm all about parental responsibility. At the risk of encouraging someone who doesn't usually bring anything very worthwhile to the table: should apple position the iPhone as an adult toy?
No because it runs off FLASH and the Steve Poppins hates Flash.
There's lots of porn that doesn't run on flash, er um so I've been told.
Nice troll though.
FWIW the
person you quoted had the most wry comment I read today.
Oh the humanity!
Really though, this is all very much over the top in my view. Apple is not looking to play the role of anyone's mother here, in fact it really has nothing to do with morals at all. It's all about Apple acting to protect the value of its single most valuable asset.
Its brand image.
Think about it for a moment. Apple has spent millions of dollars over the last several years re-building its brand after what happened to the company's image in the 90's. It's a family friendly image that they are trying to maintain. They very much want to appeal to young people and families with children, for obvious reasons.
The last thing they want to be associated with is selling pornography.
I know, Wobble iBoobs isn't pornography. But the whole "adult content" deal is a slippery slope, ie, "what is the definition of pornography, I don't know but I know it when I see it" debate.
Apple is erring on the side of caution in protecting their brand image. They are taking the highest road, and as a shareholder, I believe they are doing the right thing and applaud them for that.
Can't you just get porn for your family of 5 off the internet like every other family?
That's a pretty big family. Might be more economical to buy their porn in bulk. Ya know, by the gross.
I think that Apple wants to distance themselves from perverted dirty masturbating guys who are imagining to have sex with a woman they don't know and cannot touch. All they know is that the woman is a whore (some call her a porn-star) whom has been consumed (yes consumed) by millions of men. I think Apple is a company that believes it makes more money by keeping the app store clean (yes clean) than by letting it be overrun by multi-bilion dollar companies.
And to all the confused folks out there that think that I think that sex, per definition, is dirty really are confused. I don't think sex is dirty at all. However, I am the type of guy that believes that sex is something to be practiced within a relationship with a person you love. Now I might have already mentioned some alien concepts for some. Relationship and love. I probably have lost 80% of the readers by now. Thus I will stop here.