Are you suggesting that the U.S. Supreme Court would overrule Apple's decision? And where does the American Constitution support such findings now?
As one highly learned in this field (World Political Sciences), I would be pleased to read for that matter, anything at all that to support your contentions.
Remember, the Apple iTunes App Store isn't just about the U.S.
You're trying to infer things I never said whatsoever. As is plain to see, the suggestions that you raise, learned one, are your own.
It is surprising how much porn is freely available on iPhones by entering a few words into the search field in Safari, sort of like going to the sex shop in the alley behind the supermarket.
Apple is based in America, part of their responsibility is pandering to vocal nutters who carry a big stick, in fact a lot of American politics has to pander to the same groups of vocal nutters.
Otherwise their prospects will be deader than a Presidential candidate caught out having sex with an intern.
It's an unfortunate fact of American life that they have to deal with..
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Originally Posted by sippincider
Read my bookshelf analogy a page or two back.
Whether it's sex toys or groceries, what happens when a store has a monopoly, and an entire community is dependent on it?
Try this scenario:
Consumer: What happened to your soup section? I'd like to buy some soup.
Store: We don't carry soup anymore. We don't need to give a reason why.
Consumer: But I bought some here just last week...?
Store: Tough. No soup for you.
It's precisely this situation that gets targeted, by big names moving into town with lower prices and much better selection. Apple would do well to study this, because others in the industry certainly are.
Say a developer wanted to sell a "Find a Child for sex" App.
According to you they should be entitled to do so.
LINES MUST BE DRAWN.
It's where those lines lie that creates the dilemma for Apple.
btw is that the same Internet that is freely accessible from Apple devices?
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Originally Posted by Lockelo
There needs to be an adult app section with different levels of parental control and access. App store should be free market for any kind of app that developers want to create. Could you imagine how lame the Internet would be if it had the same restrictions that the app store had. I think anyone complaining should be forced to move to China. Do we really want apple to dictate what we get to see on the app store. If apple doesn't wise up they will lose market share sooner or later to an open source invironment. It's only a matter of time before the playing field is even and the consumer will move towards a free market invironment. Apple controlling everything will hurt them in the long run, right now it's working but 10 years from now things will change if they continue to determine what the users can do with their phones.
The problem with BlueRay is that the deluge of clarity of various blemishes, spots, shaving rashes and wrinkles distracts and detracts from the experience.
This is one area where HD is not worthwhile.
Not that I'd know, I just heard it somewhere.
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Originally Posted by pondosinatra
Anyone that would have pr0n on their iPhone has issues anyway.
Personally, I only enjoy my adult fare on Blu-Ray, running on a 100" screen, in surround sound
I'm all about parental responsibility. At the risk of encouraging someone who doesn't usually bring anything very worthwhile to the table: should apple position the iPhone as an adult toy?
It's not. I've seen young kids, maybe five or so years old, handle iPhones/Touches surprisingly well. It really depends on the individual. Also, the iPhone has age/content restriction controls.
I have nothing against the low level nudity that most of these apps represent; however I let my 4 year old son and 6 year old daughter use my iPhone to read their ebooks and play games, so it is my responsibility as the owner of the iPhone and the Apple account to leave these sorts of apps off my iPhone.
My personal annoyance is that there is plenty of support for violent games/apps but heaven forbid if there is something with any level of nudity involved. Look, we are generally talking about the lowest level of nudity you can have, I struggle to see how this is "porn".
Once again it is a very American point of view - blowing someones head off is fine, but the outrage over seeing naked breasts is amazing. I happen to live in a country where people still are able to sunbake topless on the beach if they so desire without the population falling over in a faint at the sight of naked skin and for me "nudity" as opposed to "porn" is not something to worry overly much about.
If Apple is going to censor low level nudity, why isn't Apple censoring the higher levels of violence in games. They give you an age warning but don't block that content (I just looked up one of these sorts of games, Assasins Creed, and it is labeled "Frequent/Intense Realistic Violence" and is rated "OK" for 12yrs old up). Lesson from that:
Violence = OK, COOL, FUN
Nudity = WRONG, MORALLY CORRUPTING
This is just a warped perspective on the world!!
Besides, all that these app developers have to do is take the Google approach to Apples censorship of the apps and move to a web app so at the end of the day the content will still be accessible, but less manageable.
I have nothing against the low level nudity that most of these apps represent; however I let my 4 year old son and 6 year old daughter use my iPhone to read their ebooks and play games, so it is my responsibility as the owner of the iPhone and the Apple account to leave these sorts of apps off my iPhone.
Just a reminder, if you didn't know this already, Apple also gives you parental control tools in the iTunes preferences, and within the iPhone.
Apple's entitled to lock up their ecosystem as much as they want. If they go too far, then people will seek out alternatives. That's just how it goes. Apple's shareholders had better pray Jobs is making the right call with his new censorship drive.
I have nothing against the low level nudity that most of these apps represent; however I let my 4 year old son and 6 year old daughter use my iPhone to read their ebooks and play games, so it is my responsibility as the owner of the iPhone and the Apple account to leave these sorts of apps off my iPhone.
My personal annoyance is that there is plenty of support for violent games/apps but heaven forbid if there is something with any level of nudity involved. Look, we are generally talking about the lowest level of nudity you can have, I struggle to see how this is "porn".
Once again it is a very American point of view - blowing someones head off is fine, but the outrage over seeing naked breasts is amazing. I happen to live in a country where people still are able to sunbake topless on the beach if they so desire without the population falling over in a faint at the sight of naked skin and for me "nudity" as opposed to "porn" is not something to worry overly much about.
If Apple is going to censor low level nudity, why isn't Apple censoring the higher levels of violence in games. They give you an age warning but don't block that content (I just looked up one of these sorts of games, Assasins Creed, and it is labeled "Frequent/Intense Realistic Violence" and is rated "OK" for 12yrs old up). Lesson from that:
Violence = OK, COOL, FUN
Nudity = WRONG, MORALLY CORRUPTING
This is just a warped perspective on the world!!
Besides, all that these app developers have to do is take the Google approach to Apples censorship of the apps and move to a web app so at the end of the day the content will still be accessible, but less manageable.
thanks for posting this.
My thoughts exactly and it's nice to see that not everyone has the same twisted American point of view on morality.
Excellent move, there is no need to have any overtly sexual apps. These wobble boobs, leering at women applications are disgusting and support the exploitation of women (and also men). It is absolutely wrong and has no place on the app store.
I agree that violent games are not suitable for children but they are not exploiting people.
First it's nudity. Next it'll be violence. Just wait till a bunch of soccer moms get vocal about all violent games their kids are downloading on their iPhones and iTouchs.
There is a war going on here on earth that started before this world existed. Its a war between right and wrong. Today this war is more sophisticated and well funded by those that support the Wrong side than ever before.
The fact that Porn is a multi billion dollar industry does not make it right. Porn has no place in society. It is on the Wrong side of the war that competes for our lives. Porn devalues societies, devalues women, breaks up marriages, breaks up families, and is an addiction that is harder to break than heroin.
Bravo Apple. Porn or any overtly sexual material is not wanted or needed in the App store.
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This post is a perfect example of the kind of nutters that Apple is kow-towing too with this move. Just because people believe insane nonsense like this in large numbers, that's no reason to give in to it.
I also find it ironic that it's religious folks like this that violate the forum rules all the time on advertising. Apparently it's okay to put spam links in your posts if they lead to "good Christian sites?" What does that say about the morals of people like this when they have respect for what they believe is "right" but don't give a crap about what is considered "right" by the net community?
Religion = hypocrisy IMO. If you want to see "evil" just look in the mirror.
Another good comment. I agree with you, and as far as I am concerned the perverts who enjoy porn can stay the fuck away from my family or take a bat to the head!
Apple's entitled to lock up their ecosystem as much as they want. If they go too far, then people will seek out alternatives. That's just how it goes. Apple's shareholders had better pray Jobs is making the right call with his new censorship drive.
I see Apple making many of the same mistakes as AOL. They drove consumers away with their policies.
There needs to be an adult app section with different levels of parental control and access.
Really? Why? Why does there HAVE to be an adult section? My video store doesn't. They just don't want to have it, and in fact there isn't another rental store in the neighborhood. And no one calls it censorship or a monopoly. They just go elsewhere.
Why must anyone have a section to accommodate anything, if their decision is to not carry it? Why must they carry it?
People have a strange idea of what censorship is legally defined as.
there isn't another rental store in the neighborhood. And no one calls it censorship or a monopoly. They just go elsewhere.
The difference in your example is people CAN go elsewhere.
Image receiving a notice stating that, by living in your town, you MUST get all of your videos from that store. And in the event someone feels that's BS and goes to another source, the store has the right to "brick" their TV and erase any videos they may own.
Any neighborhood would understandably be in arms & stand up against such intrusion. But Apple does the same thing and we go along like little sheep....
Look, I'm not making a case for porn. What I am saying is there's something fundamentally wrong about Apple being the sole gatekeeper between a consumer's device and its content. There's a crowd that'll argue "If you don't like it go somewhere else". If Apple gets too obsessed with control, that might be good advice.
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Are you suggesting that the U.S. Supreme Court would overrule Apple's decision? And where does the American Constitution support such findings now?
As one highly learned in this field (World Political Sciences), I would be pleased to read for that matter, anything at all that to support your contentions.
Remember, the Apple iTunes App Store isn't just about the U.S.
You're trying to infer things I never said whatsoever. As is plain to see, the suggestions that you raise, learned one, are your own.
Apple is based in America, part of their responsibility is pandering to vocal nutters who carry a big stick, in fact a lot of American politics has to pander to the same groups of vocal nutters.
Otherwise their prospects will be deader than a Presidential candidate caught out having sex with an intern.
It's an unfortunate fact of American life that they have to deal with..
Read my bookshelf analogy a page or two back.
Whether it's sex toys or groceries, what happens when a store has a monopoly, and an entire community is dependent on it?
Try this scenario:
Consumer: What happened to your soup section? I'd like to buy some soup.
Store: We don't carry soup anymore. We don't need to give a reason why.
Consumer: But I bought some here just last week...?
Store: Tough. No soup for you.
It's precisely this situation that gets targeted, by big names moving into town with lower prices and much better selection. Apple would do well to study this, because others in the industry certainly are.
Say a developer wanted to sell a "Find a Child for sex" App.
According to you they should be entitled to do so.
LINES MUST BE DRAWN.
It's where those lines lie that creates the dilemma for Apple.
btw is that the same Internet that is freely accessible from Apple devices?
There needs to be an adult app section with different levels of parental control and access. App store should be free market for any kind of app that developers want to create. Could you imagine how lame the Internet would be if it had the same restrictions that the app store had. I think anyone complaining should be forced to move to China. Do we really want apple to dictate what we get to see on the app store. If apple doesn't wise up they will lose market share sooner or later to an open source invironment. It's only a matter of time before the playing field is even and the consumer will move towards a free market invironment. Apple controlling everything will hurt them in the long run, right now it's working but 10 years from now things will change if they continue to determine what the users can do with their phones.
Personally, I only enjoy my adult fare on Blu-Ray, running on a 100" screen, in surround sound
This is one area where HD is not worthwhile.
Not that I'd know, I just heard it somewhere.
Anyone that would have pr0n on their iPhone has issues anyway.
Personally, I only enjoy my adult fare on Blu-Ray, running on a 100" screen, in surround sound
I'm all about parental responsibility. At the risk of encouraging someone who doesn't usually bring anything very worthwhile to the table: should apple position the iPhone as an adult toy?
It's not. I've seen young kids, maybe five or so years old, handle iPhones/Touches surprisingly well. It really depends on the individual. Also, the iPhone has age/content restriction controls.
My personal annoyance is that there is plenty of support for violent games/apps but heaven forbid if there is something with any level of nudity involved. Look, we are generally talking about the lowest level of nudity you can have, I struggle to see how this is "porn".
Once again it is a very American point of view - blowing someones head off is fine, but the outrage over seeing naked breasts is amazing. I happen to live in a country where people still are able to sunbake topless on the beach if they so desire without the population falling over in a faint at the sight of naked skin and for me "nudity" as opposed to "porn" is not something to worry overly much about.
If Apple is going to censor low level nudity, why isn't Apple censoring the higher levels of violence in games. They give you an age warning but don't block that content (I just looked up one of these sorts of games, Assasins Creed, and it is labeled "Frequent/Intense Realistic Violence" and is rated "OK" for 12yrs old up). Lesson from that:
Violence = OK, COOL, FUN
Nudity = WRONG, MORALLY CORRUPTING
This is just a warped perspective on the world!!
Besides, all that these app developers have to do is take the Google approach to Apples censorship of the apps and move to a web app so at the end of the day the content will still be accessible, but less manageable.
I have nothing against the low level nudity that most of these apps represent; however I let my 4 year old son and 6 year old daughter use my iPhone to read their ebooks and play games, so it is my responsibility as the owner of the iPhone and the Apple account to leave these sorts of apps off my iPhone.
Just a reminder, if you didn't know this already, Apple also gives you parental control tools in the iTunes preferences, and within the iPhone.
I have nothing against the low level nudity that most of these apps represent; however I let my 4 year old son and 6 year old daughter use my iPhone to read their ebooks and play games, so it is my responsibility as the owner of the iPhone and the Apple account to leave these sorts of apps off my iPhone.
My personal annoyance is that there is plenty of support for violent games/apps but heaven forbid if there is something with any level of nudity involved. Look, we are generally talking about the lowest level of nudity you can have, I struggle to see how this is "porn".
Once again it is a very American point of view - blowing someones head off is fine, but the outrage over seeing naked breasts is amazing. I happen to live in a country where people still are able to sunbake topless on the beach if they so desire without the population falling over in a faint at the sight of naked skin and for me "nudity" as opposed to "porn" is not something to worry overly much about.
If Apple is going to censor low level nudity, why isn't Apple censoring the higher levels of violence in games. They give you an age warning but don't block that content (I just looked up one of these sorts of games, Assasins Creed, and it is labeled "Frequent/Intense Realistic Violence" and is rated "OK" for 12yrs old up). Lesson from that:
Violence = OK, COOL, FUN
Nudity = WRONG, MORALLY CORRUPTING
This is just a warped perspective on the world!!
Besides, all that these app developers have to do is take the Google approach to Apples censorship of the apps and move to a web app so at the end of the day the content will still be accessible, but less manageable.
thanks for posting this.
My thoughts exactly and it's nice to see that not everyone has the same twisted American point of view on morality.
I agree that violent games are not suitable for children but they are not exploiting people.
Disgusting. Apple/AT&T just lost my family's 5 iPhones/accounts. I refuse to support a closed platform that enforces censorship.
One Nation, Under Shame.
To lose something, you must first have it.
Or you are lying.
You're trying to infer things I never said whatsoever. As is plain to see, the suggestions that you raise, learned one, are your own.
I would be interested in what you meant. It certainly sounded like you were saying that Apple wasn't complying with the laws of the land.
Just wait till a bunch of soccer moms get vocal about all violent games their kids are downloading on their iPhones and iTouchs.
The average soccer mom is probably too hooked on soft-porn teen vampire books to notice...
There is a war going on here on earth that started before this world existed. Its a war between right and wrong. Today this war is more sophisticated and well funded by those that support the Wrong side than ever before.
The fact that Porn is a multi billion dollar industry does not make it right. Porn has no place in society. It is on the Wrong side of the war that competes for our lives. Porn devalues societies, devalues women, breaks up marriages, breaks up families, and is an addiction that is harder to break than heroin.
Bravo Apple. Porn or any overtly sexual material is not wanted or needed in the App store.
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This post is a perfect example of the kind of nutters that Apple is kow-towing too with this move. Just because people believe insane nonsense like this in large numbers, that's no reason to give in to it.
I also find it ironic that it's religious folks like this that violate the forum rules all the time on advertising. Apparently it's okay to put spam links in your posts if they lead to "good Christian sites?" What does that say about the morals of people like this when they have respect for what they believe is "right" but don't give a crap about what is considered "right" by the net community?
Religion = hypocrisy IMO. If you want to see "evil" just look in the mirror.
Another good comment. I agree with you, and as far as I am concerned the perverts who enjoy porn can stay the fuck away from my family or take a bat to the head!
How about all the normal folks who enjoy porn?
Apple's entitled to lock up their ecosystem as much as they want. If they go too far, then people will seek out alternatives. That's just how it goes. Apple's shareholders had better pray Jobs is making the right call with his new censorship drive.
I see Apple making many of the same mistakes as AOL. They drove consumers away with their policies.
There needs to be an adult app section with different levels of parental control and access.
Really? Why? Why does there HAVE to be an adult section? My video store doesn't. They just don't want to have it, and in fact there isn't another rental store in the neighborhood. And no one calls it censorship or a monopoly. They just go elsewhere.
Why must anyone have a section to accommodate anything, if their decision is to not carry it? Why must they carry it?
People have a strange idea of what censorship is legally defined as.
there isn't another rental store in the neighborhood. And no one calls it censorship or a monopoly. They just go elsewhere.
The difference in your example is people CAN go elsewhere.
Image receiving a notice stating that, by living in your town, you MUST get all of your videos from that store. And in the event someone feels that's BS and goes to another source, the store has the right to "brick" their TV and erase any videos they may own.
Any neighborhood would understandably be in arms & stand up against such intrusion. But Apple does the same thing and we go along like little sheep....
Look, I'm not making a case for porn. What I am saying is there's something fundamentally wrong about Apple being the sole gatekeeper between a consumer's device and its content. There's a crowd that'll argue "If you don't like it go somewhere else". If Apple gets too obsessed with control, that might be good advice.