Inside Apple's iPad: Adobe Flash

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    http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/16...p-lookin-good/



    Nice video of Wired's new format for the iPad (and other tablets).... built using Adobe Air and Flex.



    Very nice. (you see, Adobe's not all evil )
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  • Reply 422 of 574
    igeniusigenius Posts: 1,240member
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    That is a sweet looking piece. I used to have a Cary tube amp for my music system. However, when I built my speakers a few years ago, I did not like the sound of the combo and switched to Naim, and it is much better sounding.



    I haven't heard that (ahem) Naim in years. My audiophile days are long behind me. In fact, I'm currently selling off all my vinyl (or, at least, the valuable stuff) on eBay. I've gotten insane prices for some of it.
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  • Reply 423 of 574
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    You are kidding right? The technically better format does not necessarily win the format war, as the whole VHS / Beta Max issue demonstrates.



    Wow, that one flew right by you, didn't it...
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  • Reply 424 of 574
    grkinggrking Posts: 533member
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    I haven't heard that (ahem) Naim in years. My audiophile days are long behind me. In fact, I'm currently selling off all my vinyl (or, at least, the valuable stuff) on eBay. I've gotten insane prices for some of it.



    well, you know that audiophiles can be nuts. If I may ask, why sell off the vinyl?



    Cute pun BTW
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  • Reply 425 of 574
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    well, you know that audiophiles can be nuts. If I may ask, why sell off the vinyl?



    Cute pun BTW



    Cute to see all the giggly banter between TEKSTUD, grking, and iGenius.



    /puke.
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    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Wow, that one flew right by you, didn't it...



    Yet you're the one that commented as if he wasn't talking about quality, not availability.
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  • Reply 427 of 574
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    Cute to see all the giggly banter between TEKSTUD, grking, and iGenius.



    /puke.



    You still haven't figured out how to use the iGnore list or multitask to another site?
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    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Yet you're the one that commented as if he wasn't talking about quality, not availability.



    Man, you have the best holidays, all you do is sit around posting here.



    It doesn't matter which one has the better quality, because at the end of the day one is available for purchase, the other isn't, so the better one is the one you can actually buy.
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  • Reply 429 of 574
    igeniusigenius Posts: 1,240member
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    well, you know that audiophiles can be nuts. If I may ask, why sell off the vinyl?



    Cute pun BTW



    I got my turntable up and running again, thinking I'd use it. I dug out lots of great old stuff.



    But the system I have now isn't what I used to have. Years ago, I replaced the guts of the music system and got a home theater receiver for my ex-wife's convenience. Before that, I had the turntable running through a New York Audo Labs SuperIt tube-type phono preamp, controlled by a Mod Squad passive preamp, all dumped straight into an Adcom GFA 555 200 Watt amp.



    I still have the speakers, some Snell Type E's, and have added a pair of smaller KEFs for the back channel.



    So after I got a new Grado cartridge and set up the turntable, I found that I didn't really sit and listen critically, and the vinyl didn't sound so special anymore on the non-audiophile-style home theater system.



    So I'm putting the vinyl into the hands of folks who value it MUCH higher than I do. Some of those record collectors are nuts.
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  • Reply 430 of 574
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Early browsers had the option to load images automatically or only when user requested. There are preferences for enabling java or javascript or pop-up windows. Enabling flash by default or by user request seems exactly the same kind of user control option. So, no, I don't think there are any anti-trust issues.



    Why would Apple not add ClickToFlash type functionality to Safari? What would be the downside for them?



    Here is how your request might look...
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  • Reply 431 of 574
    grkinggrking Posts: 533member
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    Cute to see all the giggly banter between TEKSTUD, grking, and iGenius.



    /puke.



    You are certainly more than welcome to join the conversation if you wish. We are not exclusionary.
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  • Reply 432 of 574
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    Yes but unfortunately doing that yields a compromised computer much like the Chinese stripped of Google.



    No arguments from me. I am not the one saying that Flash crashes my browser (but fail to provide any links to reputable sites that do) or that HTML 5 can replace Flash (without providing any tool or workflow information about how to do it).

    It seems that most people are opposed to Flash because A) Steve Jobs is rumored to have panned Flash so they must too B) there are annoying Flash ads (like there will never be annoying ads if Flash somehow disappeared) and C) it is a resource hog (which seems to be accurate - so you can uninstall it and live with whatever HTML 5 offers right now or put up with it until Adobe fixes it and do something of use and send your feedback to Adobe at http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi).
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  • Reply 433 of 574
    grkinggrking Posts: 533member
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    I got my turntable up and running again, thinking I'd use it. I dug out lots of great old stuff.



    But the system I have now isn't what I used to have. Years ago, I replaced the guts of the music system and got a home theater receiver for my ex-wife's convenience. Before that, I had the turntable running through a New York Audo Labs SuperIt tube-type phono preamp, controlled by a Mod Squad passive preamp, all dumped straight into an Adcom GFA 555 200 Watt amp.



    I still have the speakers, some Snell Type E's, and have added a pair of smaller KEFs for the back channel.



    So after I got a new Grado cartridge and set up the turntable, I found that I didn't really sit and listen critically, and the vinyl didn't sound so special anymore on the non-audiophile-style home theater system.



    So I'm putting the vinyl into the hands of folks who value it MUCH higher than I do. Some of those record collectors are nuts.



    Snell's are SWEEEEEEEEEEET speakers. Man, you must be a happy camper.



    I agree 100% that vinyl does not sound good on a HT system, which is why I separate systems.



    Well, off to dinner.
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  • Reply 434 of 574
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    A couple historical points. The floppy drive was entrenched until Apple removed them all. USB didn't take off until after Apple added it across the board. The smartphone industry was lingering until Apple entered the market. WebKit has become the most popular internet browser. And just look at everything MS does to make Windows more Mac OS-like. Et alii, at cetera, ad nauseam.



    I'd say that Apple realised inevitable changes and was faster to apply them before the others, but to say that Apple forced others into abandoning FDD, Serial, Centronics... is a bit over the top. Especially when you consider that, when some of those changes happened, Apple was not even remotely strong and popular as it is today.



    For quite a while major role for FDD was that older versions of Windows actually required DOS floppy diskette to initiate Windows setup, kill/create partitions (famous fdisk, if my memory serves me well)... also to load some critical yet not standard drivers during that setup (RAID controller, for example). Coincidently, for older motherboards, optical drives were not bootable. Once MS did come out with fully floppy-less setup and manufacturers adopted bootable opticals, FDD was destined to die.



    Do you really believe PC industry would still be using floppies and other old tech without Apple around? Because, frankly, I don't. IT industry adopted things that were cheaper, faster, easier to apply. They skipped on massively implementing other things they didn't find enough reasons for, even if some of them were good ideas (Firewire, display port...) and some other things are being adopted through industry without or before Apple did - BR, card readers...).
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  • Reply 435 of 574
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    That is an excellent argument but I only broke things down into the core elements. I've stated numerous times that Flash has its place and can be very useful, but a small finger-based touchscreen with a slow ARM processor is currently not of them.



    The fact remains that Flash isn't the internet, Adobe hasn't yet released a viable version of Flash for mobile devices which would make those sites come up or be usable if they did, and iDevices aren't personal computers, but accessories to them.



    I find it very interesting that subaru.co.nz is nearly all Flash but subaru.com has no Flash.



    Theory is valid, but real life might be much different.



    That was just one simple thing I came across (and paid attention to). As I'm not browsing much on iPhone, I don't even know how often do I come across Flash when on my PC. I'll actually start paying attention - it will be interesting study, sort of. For example, I just tried checking on my new TV details on Australian LG site; again, there is Flash requirement on the home page, though it seems you can browse without Flash... to a certain point.



    As I've got PS3 with new TV month ago, I'm frequent on Playstation Network/Playstation Home webs, looking for interesting news. Haven't tried them on iPhone, but will.



    Of course there are many sites without (or with just minor) Flash content, but at present, Flash - while not Internet - is big part of the Internet. It is that simple to me. Not getting Flash on the Internet is like not getting meat in the steak house - one can still enjoy fritters and salad, but that's not the same.
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  • Reply 436 of 574
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Do you really believe PC industry would still be using floppies and other old tech without Apple around?



    Of course not. When you wrote "push" I read that literally to "exert force on" which even a start up can do. I didn't know you mean the extreme of overpowering and forcing change on another.



    Of course, there are still some examples of that. The Phone is one of them. Capacitance touchscreens and good mobile browsers would have come along but not nearly as fast. Mozilla still hasn't gotten Firefox Mobile on platforms other than Maemo. Then there is the iTunes Storeo. They got the labels to take a chance and have become the largest distributor in the world. Even Bill Gates was astonished by Apple's ability to ink those deals, according to recently released emails.



    I guess it all comes down to your perception because everything you could define everything that has ever happened or will happen as inevitable.
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    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Theory is valid, but real life might be much different.



    That was just one simple thing I came across (and paid attention to). As I'm not browsing much on iPhone, I don't even know how often do I come across Flash when on my PC. I'll actually start paying attention - it will be interesting study, sort of. For example, I just tried checking on my new TV details on Australian LG site; again, there is Flash requirement on the home page, though it seems you can browse without Flash... to a certain point.



    As I've got PS3 with new TV month ago, I'm frequent on Playstation Network/Playstation Home webs, looking for interesting news. Haven't tried them on iPhone, but will.



    Of course there are many sites without (or with just minor) Flash content, but at present, Flash - while not Internet - is big part of the Internet. It is that simple to me. Not getting Flash on the Internet is like not getting meat in the steak house - one can still enjoy fritters and salad, but that's not the same.



    Since Flash for mobiles doesn't yet exist sites are going to have to create a mobile site or just forget about it. How many people want to look up car sites on a 3.5" display anyway?



    Once Flash 10.1 launches we may see a change that will require Apple to support it, but with Flash still having usage issues on a touchscreen, not scaling to a small display well, and still looking to be a resource hog compared to webcode I don't think that is likely. I think we''ll see even more sites create a mobile versions to idealize for these slow devices with small screens.
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  • Reply 438 of 574
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Of course not. When you wrote "push" I read that literally to "exert force on" which even a start up can do. I didn't know you mean the extreme of overpowering and forcing change on another.



    Of course, there are still some examples of that. The Phone is one of them. Capacitance touchscreens and good mobile browsers would have come along but not nearly as fast. Mozilla still hasn't gotten Firefox Mobile on platforms other than Maemo. Then there is the iTunes Storeo. They got the labels to take a chance and have become the largest distributor in the world. Even Bill Gates was astonished by Apple's ability to ink those deals, according to recently released emails.



    I guess it all comes down to your perception because everything you could define everything that has ever happened or will happen as inevitable.



    I do agree that Apple did shake up smart phone industry nicely.
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  • Reply 439 of 574
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Since Flash for mobiles doesn't yet exist sites are going to have to create a mobile site or just forget about it. How many people want to look up car sites on a 3.5" display anyway?



    Once Flash 10.1 launches we may see a change that will require Apple to support it, but with Flash still having usage issues on a touchscreen, not scaling to a small display well, and still looking to be a resource hog compared to webcode I don't think that is likely. I think we''ll see even more sites create a mobile versions to idealize for these slow devices with small screens.



    I agree for mobile phones (and I keep saying that), though secretly I'd still like to have it - as a last resort if nothing else.



    But for a tablet device capable of browsing web without constant zooming in and out, uh. For me that is big shortcoming.
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  • Reply 440 of 574
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    Of course they were NOT billed as the best web experience ever.....



    Which interestingly enough is exactly what they provided in the handheld segment.
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