Adobe is always slow with apple updates SO ADOBE is right now shooting itself in the foot by slow or lack of APPLE OSX support /SO bad is this i was forced to learn a new word <<clicktoflash>
and Concerning BLUE RAY
BD competes with itunes HD
So it may take a while to see apple BD support. TOO simple i guess for many here.
That $3,000 fee though never meant much to a consumer especially now that Blu-ray discs can be had for as low as $9.99.
For mass market movies or those pushed by the major studios, it doesn't matter, they are already in on it and can get keys cheap. But for independent movies, the fees can really drive up the per-piece cost or just make it seem too risky to try.
The article points what is probably the real reason that Apple doesn't want Flash on it's mobile devices: Flash competes directly with the App Store. It gives developers an alternative method of creating apps that do nothing to promote the App Store infrastructure.
Over 400 posts. Whether you think flash should or should not be included in Apple products, you cannot argue that the decision is not controversial....
Over 400 posts. Whether you think flash should or should not be included in Apple products, you cannot argue that the decision is not controversial....
Yeah, good call.
I think it's attributable to iPad. I've noticed that Apple/Mac related forums have exploded since Apple's product introduction for iPad a few weeks back. Much of it is FUD in my view, although there's also quite a bit of 'back & forth' in the tech community about various topics that can be related to iPad.
I really believe much of this is indicative of that fact that Apple's iPad hits alot of competitors right in the nuts, and they and their fans are running scared.
It's only fairly recently that all these Adobe Flash™ fans started coming out of the woodwork.
Who would have thought that so many people wanted the Internet to become a place of closed proprietary standards dominated and controlled by large corporations.
I remember using Lynx, no pictures, no fancy frills, just text based content, the content I wanted with no distractions.
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Originally Posted by iBill
Yeah, good call.
I think it's attributable to iPad. I've noticed that Apple/Mac related forums have exploded since Apple's product introduction for iPad a few weeks back. Much of it is FUD in my view, although there's also quite a bit of 'back & forth' in the tech community about various topics that can be related to iPad.
I really believe much of this is indicative of that fact that Apple's iPad hits alot of competitors right in the nuts, and they and their fans are running scared.
It's only fairly recently that all these Adobe Flash? fans started coming out of the woodwork.
Who would have thought that so many people wanted the Internet to become a place of closed proprietary standards dominated and controlled by large corporations.
I remember using Lynx, no pictures, no fancy frills, just text based content, the content I wanted with no distractions.
It's funny how free internet video does that to so many people.
It's only fairly recently that all these Adobe Flash? fans started coming out of the woodwork.
Who would have thought that so many people wanted the Internet to become a place of closed proprietary standards dominated and controlled by large corporations.
I remember using Lynx, no pictures, no fancy frills, just text based content, the content I wanted with no distractions.
Closed and proprietary sound like you are talking about Apple. Members are not 'Fans" of adobe flash, most consumers could care less if their video is Flash or HTML5, they simply just want it to work can could care less about the source.
Closed and proprietary sound like you are talking about Apple. Members are not 'Fans" of adobe flash, most consumers could care less if their video is Flash or HTML5, they simply just want it to work can could care less about the source.
Yeah I do think it is funny how some people are complaining about free video being propriety yet they will pay money for stuff off iTunes wrapped with proprietary DRM (thank goodness for handbrake).
Adobe is always slow with apple updates SO ADOBE is right now shooting itself in the foot by slow or lack of APPLE OSX support /SO bad is this i was forced to learn a new word <<clicktoflash>
and Concerning BLUE RAY
BD competes with itunes HD
So it may take a while to see apple BD support. TOO simple i guess for many here.
peace
9
I don't see the point of having Blue Ray in a desktop or laptop except perhaps for archiving data.
I can understand a BD player for a TV set but then you have to store and manage the disks.
Even for TV, I choose iTunes HD over BD. Everything stores nicely on a NAS drive and I look forward to moving more stuff to the cloud. This is a method that most people will choose in the future. It's better to "Skate where the puck is going".
IMO, flash may be useful, but it is not critical. RealPlayer wasn't critical for web video, nor is flash. When it comes to web games, flash didn't come first. Shockwave predated it. Business decisions and the buying and selling of technology lead to flash being pushed into the position it's in now. Technology came before it, technology will come after it. Complacency due to ease of understanding is the worst thing we can do as students of technology.
Even for TV, I choose iTunes HD over BD. Everything stores nicely on a NAS drive and I look forward to moving more stuff to the cloud. This is a method that most people will choose in the future. It's better to "Skate where the puck is going".
Then why are you choosing low bit rate 720P video content with low grade audio (iTunes HD) over 1080P high bit rate video with superior audio (Blu-Ray)? Hardly jives with your "Skate where the puck is going" philosophy.
Yeah I do think it is funny how some people are complaining about free video being propriety yet they will pay money for stuff off iTunes wrapped with proprietary DRM (thank goodness for handbrake).
1) I'd so odd when people flip their subject within the same sentence. You mention DRM on iTunes and then you're thankful for Handbrake, which can't get around iTunes DRM. It can only get around DVD DRM if VLC is installed.
2) The argument is not hat the content is controlled, since all video is proprietary unless made public domain, but that the player was controlled. The problem with a controlled player has put us, Apple and Adobe in the position they are in now. They had no competition for so long that they didn't work to make it more efficient. Now they will continue to lose ground to HTML5's video tag. The same can be said for anything that doesn't have sufficient competition. Just like at how bloated iTunes has become.
Then why are you choosing low bit rate 720P video content with low grade audio (iTunes HD) over 1080P high bit rate video with superior audio (Blu-Ray)? Hardly jives with your "Skate where the puck is going" philosophy.
You're pointing to where the puck is for home entertaiment appliances, not where it's going for portable, connected devices like the iPod, iPhone, iPad and Mac notebooks and every other PMP, smartphone, MID , tablet, netbook and notebook.
Do you not think that digital downloads and streaming media are not going to increase? There is already a higher amount of video being pushed over the internet than over optical media. That is where the puck is going. This is what Apple has a vested interest in. I hope you Blu-ray in notebook lovers get your wish but it doesn't seem likely.
pple hasn't even added AACS support to Mac OS X so expecting Blu-ray drives in every Mac is putting the cart before the horse. They made AACS, but they may wait until they after even the living room is getting the majority of its media from the internet, so that will be awhile.
So why don't you host some of this "free" content on a site without having to pay Adobe for the tools to do so or have the cost factored into having someone else do it for you, then let the people you want to share it with do so without installing software from Adobe on their systems whether they want it or not.
You want closed and proprietary so quit whining about Apple, get a life go discuss your fantastic Dell over at Neowin or something.
Or why don't you get real with Windows, build your own, overclock it within an inch of it's life, run a bare board with custom cooling involving a polystyrene cup and liquid N and post some Futuremark scores.
Your "3% CPU usage score" is rather boring you know.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
Closed and proprietary sound like you are talking about Apple. Members are not 'Fans" of adobe flash, most consumers could care less if their video is Flash or HTML5, they simply just want it to work can could care less about the source.
So why don't you host some of this "free" content on a site without having to pay Adobe for the tools to do so or have the cost factored into having someone else do it for you, then let the people you want to share it with do so without installing software from Adobe on their systems whether they want it or not.
You want closed and proprietary so quit whining about Apple, get a life go discuss your fantastic Dell over at Neowin or something.
Or why don't you get real with Windows, build your own, overclock it within an inch of it's life, run a bare board with custom cooling involving a polystyrene cup and liquid N and post some Futuremark scores.
Your "3% CPU usage score" is rather boring you know.
Nothing that you posted has anything to do with the fact that Apple is as closed a companyas you can get. You are just simply trying to distract from your earlier foolish comment.
By the way I don't have to run custom anything on any of my systems to get 3% CPU usage. Also usage isn't a score. You know less about this then Solipism which I didn't think was possible.
I do know this much Flash content on the Internet is inaccessible without Adobe controlling the creation and playback of said content.
There is no alternative to Adobe for Flash related content.
Why are you so supportive of a closed and proprietary Internet on the one hand and such a big whiner when it comes to Apple who despite your claims let me play any video or audio content via iTunes I choose to import into my library.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
Nothing that you posted has anything to do with the fact that Apple is as closed a companyas you can get. You are just simply trying to distract from your earlier foolish comment.
By the way I don't have to run custom anything on any of my systems to get 3% CPU usage. Also usage isn't a score. You know less about this then Solipism which I didn't think was possible.
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Flash will slow the IPAD UE
Flash needs to be iflash TO dance with steve
Adobe is always slow with apple updates SO ADOBE is right now shooting itself in the foot by slow or lack of APPLE OSX support /SO bad is this i was forced to learn a new word <<clicktoflash>
and Concerning BLUE RAY
BD competes with itunes HD
So it may take a while to see apple BD support. TOO simple i guess for many here.
peace
9
That $3,000 fee though never meant much to a consumer especially now that Blu-ray discs can be had for as low as $9.99.
For mass market movies or those pushed by the major studios, it doesn't matter, they are already in on it and can get keys cheap. But for independent movies, the fees can really drive up the per-piece cost or just make it seem too risky to try.
The article points what is probably the real reason that Apple doesn't want Flash on it's mobile devices: Flash competes directly with the App Store. It gives developers an alternative method of creating apps that do nothing to promote the App Store infrastructure.
Total FUD
Over 400 posts. Whether you think flash should or should not be included in Apple products, you cannot argue that the decision is not controversial....
Wow,
Over 400 posts. Whether you think flash should or should not be included in Apple products, you cannot argue that the decision is not controversial....
Yeah, good call.
I think it's attributable to iPad. I've noticed that Apple/Mac related forums have exploded since Apple's product introduction for iPad a few weeks back. Much of it is FUD in my view, although there's also quite a bit of 'back & forth' in the tech community about various topics that can be related to iPad.
I really believe much of this is indicative of that fact that Apple's iPad hits alot of competitors right in the nuts, and they and their fans are running scared.
Who would have thought that so many people wanted the Internet to become a place of closed proprietary standards dominated and controlled by large corporations.
I remember using Lynx, no pictures, no fancy frills, just text based content, the content I wanted with no distractions.
Yeah, good call.
I think it's attributable to iPad. I've noticed that Apple/Mac related forums have exploded since Apple's product introduction for iPad a few weeks back. Much of it is FUD in my view, although there's also quite a bit of 'back & forth' in the tech community about various topics that can be related to iPad.
I really believe much of this is indicative of that fact that Apple's iPad hits alot of competitors right in the nuts, and they and their fans are running scared.
It's only fairly recently that all these Adobe Flash? fans started coming out of the woodwork.
Who would have thought that so many people wanted the Internet to become a place of closed proprietary standards dominated and controlled by large corporations.
I remember using Lynx, no pictures, no fancy frills, just text based content, the content I wanted with no distractions.
It's funny how free internet video does that to so many people.
It's only fairly recently that all these Adobe Flash? fans started coming out of the woodwork.
Who would have thought that so many people wanted the Internet to become a place of closed proprietary standards dominated and controlled by large corporations.
I remember using Lynx, no pictures, no fancy frills, just text based content, the content I wanted with no distractions.
Closed and proprietary sound like you are talking about Apple. Members are not 'Fans" of adobe flash, most consumers could care less if their video is Flash or HTML5, they simply just want it to work can could care less about the source.
Closed and proprietary sound like you are talking about Apple. Members are not 'Fans" of adobe flash, most consumers could care less if their video is Flash or HTML5, they simply just want it to work can could care less about the source.
Yeah I do think it is funny how some people are complaining about free video being propriety yet they will pay money for stuff off iTunes wrapped with proprietary DRM (thank goodness for handbrake).
Flash is a power hog
Flash will slow the IPAD UE
Flash needs to be iflash TO dance with steve
Adobe is always slow with apple updates SO ADOBE is right now shooting itself in the foot by slow or lack of APPLE OSX support /SO bad is this i was forced to learn a new word <<clicktoflash>
and Concerning BLUE RAY
BD competes with itunes HD
So it may take a while to see apple BD support. TOO simple i guess for many here.
peace
9
I don't see the point of having Blue Ray in a desktop or laptop except perhaps for archiving data.
I can understand a BD player for a TV set but then you have to store and manage the disks.
Even for TV, I choose iTunes HD over BD. Everything stores nicely on a NAS drive and I look forward to moving more stuff to the cloud. This is a method that most people will choose in the future. It's better to "Skate where the puck is going".
Time will tell.
Total FUD
Do you even know what FUD means? (I'm guessing not)
where flash IS CRITICAL to the Internet.
IMO, flash may be useful, but it is not critical. RealPlayer wasn't critical for web video, nor is flash. When it comes to web games, flash didn't come first. Shockwave predated it. Business decisions and the buying and selling of technology lead to flash being pushed into the position it's in now. Technology came before it, technology will come after it. Complacency due to ease of understanding is the worst thing we can do as students of technology.
Even for TV, I choose iTunes HD over BD. Everything stores nicely on a NAS drive and I look forward to moving more stuff to the cloud. This is a method that most people will choose in the future. It's better to "Skate where the puck is going".
Then why are you choosing low bit rate 720P video content with low grade audio (iTunes HD) over 1080P high bit rate video with superior audio (Blu-Ray)? Hardly jives with your "Skate where the puck is going" philosophy.
Yeah I do think it is funny how some people are complaining about free video being propriety yet they will pay money for stuff off iTunes wrapped with proprietary DRM (thank goodness for handbrake).
1) I'd so odd when people flip their subject within the same sentence. You mention DRM on iTunes and then you're thankful for Handbrake, which can't get around iTunes DRM. It can only get around DVD DRM if VLC is installed.
2) The argument is not hat the content is controlled, since all video is proprietary unless made public domain, but that the player was controlled. The problem with a controlled player has put us, Apple and Adobe in the position they are in now. They had no competition for so long that they didn't work to make it more efficient. Now they will continue to lose ground to HTML5's video tag. The same can be said for anything that doesn't have sufficient competition. Just like at how bloated iTunes has become.
Then why are you choosing low bit rate 720P video content with low grade audio (iTunes HD) over 1080P high bit rate video with superior audio (Blu-Ray)? Hardly jives with your "Skate where the puck is going" philosophy.
You're pointing to where the puck is for home entertaiment appliances, not where it's going for portable, connected devices like the iPod, iPhone, iPad and Mac notebooks and every other PMP, smartphone, MID , tablet, netbook and notebook.
Do you not think that digital downloads and streaming media are not going to increase? There is already a higher amount of video being pushed over the internet than over optical media. That is where the puck is going. This is what Apple has a vested interest in. I hope you Blu-ray in notebook lovers get your wish but it doesn't seem likely.
pple hasn't even added AACS support to Mac OS X so expecting Blu-ray drives in every Mac is putting the cart before the horse. They made AACS, but they may wait until they after even the living room is getting the majority of its media from the internet, so that will be awhile.
You want closed and proprietary so quit whining about Apple, get a life go discuss your fantastic Dell over at Neowin or something.
Or why don't you get real with Windows, build your own, overclock it within an inch of it's life, run a bare board with custom cooling involving a polystyrene cup and liquid N and post some Futuremark scores.
Your "3% CPU usage score" is rather boring you know.
Closed and proprietary sound like you are talking about Apple. Members are not 'Fans" of adobe flash, most consumers could care less if their video is Flash or HTML5, they simply just want it to work can could care less about the source.
So why don't you host some of this "free" content on a site without having to pay Adobe for the tools to do so or have the cost factored into having someone else do it for you, then let the people you want to share it with do so without installing software from Adobe on their systems whether they want it or not.
You want closed and proprietary so quit whining about Apple, get a life go discuss your fantastic Dell over at Neowin or something.
Or why don't you get real with Windows, build your own, overclock it within an inch of it's life, run a bare board with custom cooling involving a polystyrene cup and liquid N and post some Futuremark scores.
Your "3% CPU usage score" is rather boring you know.
Nothing that you posted has anything to do with the fact that Apple is as closed a companyas you can get. You are just simply trying to distract from your earlier foolish comment.
By the way I don't have to run custom anything on any of my systems to get 3% CPU usage. Also usage isn't a score. You know less about this then Solipism which I didn't think was possible.
There is no alternative to Adobe for Flash related content.
Why are you so supportive of a closed and proprietary Internet on the one hand and such a big whiner when it comes to Apple who despite your claims let me play any video or audio content via iTunes I choose to import into my library.
Nothing that you posted has anything to do with the fact that Apple is as closed a companyas you can get. You are just simply trying to distract from your earlier foolish comment.
By the way I don't have to run custom anything on any of my systems to get 3% CPU usage. Also usage isn't a score. You know less about this then Solipism which I didn't think was possible.