But the days for you and I getting into it are over.
Then don't reply to my posts. I told you a couple weeks ago I was no longer going to ignore the trolls so they can have a free reign on harassing who actually have a use for the forum and products that Apple produces.
Its not so much cost but I was thinking about the fact that if you have an iPad and you are standing it up like a notebook screen in its case, and then adding a keyboard then you already have the footprint of a notebook. Not to mention if you wanted to carry all that around.
Except that it is not fixed into that position like a notebook and that's the point. Personally, I don't think that many people will use it with a BT keyboard but it is good option for people who needs it.
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Not saying the iPad won't meet your needs for what you want to do I just figured it was interesting. So I guess my point is when you start getting into buying keyboards and some of the accessories not only is cost a factor but your really using it like a notebook anyways but it doesnt have the power of a notebook.
Why do you want to buy another notebook if you already own one?! And as I said, you will need to factor in the cost of the Data card and you will find that the iPad is still cheaper (at least $200 cheaper). Both the iPad and MB have advantage over each other and it is what the buyer is looking for that matters.
Except that it is not fixed into that position like a notebook and that's the point. Personally, I don't think that many people will use it with a BT keyboard but it is good option for people who needs it.
Why do you want to buy another notebook if you already own one?! And as I said, you will need to factor in the cost of the Data card and you will find that the iPad is still cheaper (at least $200 cheaper).
My brother plans on buying 2 for his kids. The $500 version with one keyboard dock. They can use them in their rooms but when they need to do a report they can pop it on the dock and go to work. Of course, one will be without a physical keyboard but he doesn't think that will be an issue for a few years due to their age and speed at which he can type on his iPhone's keyboard.
Except that it is not fixed into that position like a notebook and that's the point. Personally, I don't think that many people will use it with a BT keyboard but it is good option for people who needs it.
Why do you want to buy another notebook if you already own one?! And as I said, you will need to factor in the cost of the Data card and you will find that the iPad is still cheaper (at least $200 cheaper). Both the iPad and MB have advantage over each other and it is what the buyer is looking for that matters.
I don't want another notebook. Which is part of my point. The fact is Tablets have to fill a very narrow need. Some of my earlier points before the iPad was released is its a hard gap to sell because if you already have a Macbook/MBP and an iPhone you can pretty much do it all already.
I could see myself instead of buying another iPod Touch buying an iPad and if I wanted another iPod simply going with a Nano.
Members that are on a Forum like this can tend to buy more then the average consumer. It might be harder for Apple to sell this to the average consumer that already has a Macbook and either a Touch or iPhone.
The iPad is still new, well so new its not even out yet. I could see over the next year or two it really taking off as the product matures.
Then don't reply to my posts. I told you a couple weeks ago I was no longer going to ignore the trolls so they can have a free reign on harassing who actually have a use for the forum and products that Apple produces.
LOL.. Trolls. There isn't anything you can do to stop my free reign. The fact is all you have done is turn yourself into a Troll.
Your reply dont have a single point. it is pretty easy to understand what he is trying to say.
Thank you. He just likes to try and bash for the sake of bashing. To any logical person my post was totally on target. You calls others trolls but the fact is he as become one of the biggest trolls on this forum
I don't want another notebook. Which is part of my point. The fact is Tablets have to fill a very narrow need. Some of my earlier points before the iPad was released is its a hard gap to sell because if you already have a Macbook/MBP and an iPhone you can pretty much do it all already.
I could see myself instead of buying another iPod Touch buying an iPad and if I wanted another iPod simply going with a Nano.
Members that are on a Forum like this can tend to buy more then the average consumer. It might be harder for Apple to sell this to the average consumer that already has a Macbook and either a Touch or iPhone.
The iPad is still new, well so new its not even out yet. I could see over the next year or two it really taking off as the product matures.
This is what we've been saying from day one. You have to remember something, not everyone own an iPhone or an iPod Touch. Apple sold almost 60 million iPhone/iPod Touches since their release three years ago. I know many who didn't buy an iPhone because they are stuck with their existing phone contracts and didn't buy an iPod Touch because they want to buy an iPhone once their contracts are over. There are many, Mac and Windows users, who want an iPad. I expect Apple to sell 6 million this year and much more next year.
Your reply dont have a single point. it is pretty easy to understand what he is trying to say.
Exactly the point I was making! All those products have uses even though their high end comes close to the low end of a more functional product. Just because the most expensive iPad with all accessories is as much as a low end Mac notebook doesn't mean it's a foolish purchase for everyone. Not all products have to fit everyone's needs!
A lot of iPad accessories are going to come out. Some are already on sale now.
With the iPhone having a dozen different types of connections from a dozen different companies, you can bet accessory makers will get a good boost once iPad goes on sale.
With all the comments I expected you to actually be selling something but I found your site to have nothing actually available - just empty slots to put things in.
This is what we've been saying from day one. You have to remember something, not everyone own an iPhone or an iPod Touch. Apple sold almost 60 million iPhone/iPod Touches since their release three years ago. I know many who didn't buy an iPhone because they are stuck with their existing phone contracts and didn't buy an iPod Touch because they want to buy an iPhone once their contracts are over. There are many, Mac and Windows users, who want an iPad. I expect Apple to sell 6 million this year and much more next year.
Six million, I really have no idea. Thats a fairly high number even based on what Apple feels they can sell in the first year.
Six million, I really have no idea. Thats a fairly high number even based on what Apple feels they can sell in the first year.
I don't think Apple said how much they think they will sell. The mean prediction by Wall Street is four millions. You have to remember that the iPad will be sold world wide at launch. However, time will tell.
I'd like to see the accessory makers come up with something a little more clever than pretty cases. Between bluetooth, wifi, and the dock connector, it seems that there should be a lot of potential to make some really useful accessories that actually interface with these devices in a more meaningful way. Certainly there are some examples of this sort of thing (Nike, for example), but I would have thought we'd have seen a lot more by now (or maybe we have and I'm just not aware of it??)
Cases, stickers, headphones, etc. all represent the first in line opportunities for the iPad, same as what happened with iPods and iPhones. Once sales are proven, more expensive accessories will come along.
Your reply dont have a single point. it is pretty easy to understand what he is trying to say.
Of course it does - ES's point was that a fully loaded iPad approaches the cost of a low end Macbook - basic correct point but with very limited practical value when you think about it more.
Solipsism was making the very good counter point (if you think about it for more than 2 seconds), that there is always near overlap between top and bottom of Apple (and everyone elses') ranges so there is nothing particularly different or interesting about ES' iPad example - fair enough. Then it all gets ugly...
ES has certainly mitigated his tone since he was ExtremeTrolling at the iPad introduction but as he points out - it still gets very aggressive pretty quickly. My opinion would be that these 2 are incapable of having a civil conversation given the water under that bridge... had it been left after the first point and counter point it would have been all positive contribution but that seems impossible. I would suggest that ES take a breath when Sol replies rather than immediately go ad hominem (I'm not sure I would if I had their history) and Sol controls the urge to tail his reasonable replies with an intimation of "FU buddy!" e.g. "So what's your point?" \
I think there will be a good market for location/use specific accessories. Let's face it, the use on the lap on the couch is very different than that in the kitchen (recipe book/media player on a counter) which is different from the use to take notes in the lecture hall, and from the use on the plane/train/starbucks or handheld doing patient rounds.
I can see people buying different cases/accessories for different uses and then people getting bored swapping cases and sharing the iPad and buying more ipads...
My friends recently bought an iPod touch for the family so they could play music when on vacation on a boat and give the kids something to play with... great idea but after a month away, it caused as many fights as quiet moments and they will now be buying 1-2 more...
My guess is whatever the MacBook sales numbers were, is going to be the iPad's sales numbers, after the brief initial rush of a new product release of course.
The really interesting stuff will connect to the dock. What is the status of the dock for hardware developers? Is it documented? Are licenses available and, if so, at what cost? Stuff like that...
Good to hear, the stock ipad case apple try to sell is expensive and ugly.
i guess this is why dozens of different designs will show up: One man's ugly is another man's attractive:
The apple case looks functional and handsome, to me. I'm hoping--and guessing--it's a hard case, to protect the screen.
I CAN imagine other makers might bring out designs that hold the iPad at a better angle for viewing (the vertical position looks too steep for viewing on an airplane or at a desk; i'll know better once i try it).
Only hands-on will also tell whether it's unfortunate apple's port-placement allows the keyboard dock to work only in portrait mode. Intuitively, i'd want to type to a landscape screen. We'll see.
The really interesting stuff will connect to the dock. What is the status of the dock for hardware developers? Is it documented? Are licenses available and, if so, at what cost? Stuff like that...
exactly. it's the dock and blutooth accessories that will really add capabilities to the iPad, not the cases and skins.
obviously the iPad will not fit into most existing iPhone-dock accessories due to its bulk. so there will be a new generation.
besides the media systems with speakers, clocks, etc., what else might we see?
Of course it does - ES's point was that a fully loaded iPad approaches the cost of a low end Macbook - basic correct point but with very limited practical value when you think about it more.
ES's point was valid and true and obviously clear. A high end iPad does approach the low end MacBook. For some that will be a better choice than a iPad, for some it won't be, no big deal. There is nothing wrong with stating the obvious.
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Solipsism was making the very good counter point (if you think about it for more than 2 seconds), that there is always near overlap between top and bottom of Apple (and everyone elses') ranges so there is nothing particularly different or interesting about ES' iPad example - fair enough.
So why not he state that instead of making a similarity between all "high end" of all Apple's devices and bait ES with the snarky "What's your point?" That's what ES was reacting too.
What I suspect is Solipsism took ES's point as a troll against the iPad and reacted accordingly, perhaps something occurred earlier between the two which I'm not aware of. Perhaps two people are just having a bad day, suffering from cabin fever, who knows? All over now anyway.
The public is going to buy what meets their needs and fancies them in the stores, what they are programmed to buy via the media, it doesn't matter too much what people say in a forum, else Apple would be suing bloggers left and right.
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My first post was very logical
No it wasn't, hence my response.
But the days for you and I getting into it are over.
Then don't reply to my posts. I told you a couple weeks ago I was no longer going to ignore the trolls so they can have a free reign on harassing who actually have a use for the forum and products that Apple produces.
Its not so much cost but I was thinking about the fact that if you have an iPad and you are standing it up like a notebook screen in its case, and then adding a keyboard then you already have the footprint of a notebook. Not to mention if you wanted to carry all that around.
Except that it is not fixed into that position like a notebook and that's the point. Personally, I don't think that many people will use it with a BT keyboard but it is good option for people who needs it.
Not saying the iPad won't meet your needs for what you want to do I just figured it was interesting. So I guess my point is when you start getting into buying keyboards and some of the accessories not only is cost a factor but your really using it like a notebook anyways but it doesnt have the power of a notebook.
Why do you want to buy another notebook if you already own one?! And as I said, you will need to factor in the cost of the Data card and you will find that the iPad is still cheaper (at least $200 cheaper). Both the iPad and MB have advantage over each other and it is what the buyer is looking for that matters.
Except that it is not fixed into that position like a notebook and that's the point. Personally, I don't think that many people will use it with a BT keyboard but it is good option for people who needs it.
Why do you want to buy another notebook if you already own one?! And as I said, you will need to factor in the cost of the Data card and you will find that the iPad is still cheaper (at least $200 cheaper).
My brother plans on buying 2 for his kids. The $500 version with one keyboard dock. They can use them in their rooms but when they need to do a report they can pop it on the dock and go to work. Of course, one will be without a physical keyboard but he doesn't think that will be an issue for a few years due to their age and speed at which he can type on his iPhone's keyboard.
Except that it is not fixed into that position like a notebook and that's the point. Personally, I don't think that many people will use it with a BT keyboard but it is good option for people who needs it.
Why do you want to buy another notebook if you already own one?! And as I said, you will need to factor in the cost of the Data card and you will find that the iPad is still cheaper (at least $200 cheaper). Both the iPad and MB have advantage over each other and it is what the buyer is looking for that matters.
I don't want another notebook. Which is part of my point. The fact is Tablets have to fill a very narrow need. Some of my earlier points before the iPad was released is its a hard gap to sell because if you already have a Macbook/MBP and an iPhone you can pretty much do it all already.
I could see myself instead of buying another iPod Touch buying an iPad and if I wanted another iPod simply going with a Nano.
Members that are on a Forum like this can tend to buy more then the average consumer. It might be harder for Apple to sell this to the average consumer that already has a Macbook and either a Touch or iPhone.
The iPad is still new, well so new its not even out yet. I could see over the next year or two it really taking off as the product matures.
The high-end MBP line is over $4,000, more than a much faster Mac Pro.
The high-end iPhone over two years is more than 2x MacBooks.
The high-end iPod Nano is $179, which is $20 less than an iPod Touch.
The high-end iPod Classic is $249, which is cheaper than the Touch but with a lot more storage space.
The high-end iPod Touch is $399, which is $100 less than an iPad
What's your point?
Your reply dont have a single point. it is pretty easy to understand what he is trying to say.
No it wasn't, hence my response.
Then don't reply to my posts. I told you a couple weeks ago I was no longer going to ignore the trolls so they can have a free reign on harassing who actually have a use for the forum and products that Apple produces.
LOL.. Trolls. There isn't anything you can do to stop my free reign. The fact is all you have done is turn yourself into a Troll.
Your reply dont have a single point. it is pretty easy to understand what he is trying to say.
Thank you. He just likes to try and bash for the sake of bashing. To any logical person my post was totally on target. You calls others trolls but the fact is he as become one of the biggest trolls on this forum
I don't want another notebook. Which is part of my point. The fact is Tablets have to fill a very narrow need. Some of my earlier points before the iPad was released is its a hard gap to sell because if you already have a Macbook/MBP and an iPhone you can pretty much do it all already.
I could see myself instead of buying another iPod Touch buying an iPad and if I wanted another iPod simply going with a Nano.
Members that are on a Forum like this can tend to buy more then the average consumer. It might be harder for Apple to sell this to the average consumer that already has a Macbook and either a Touch or iPhone.
The iPad is still new, well so new its not even out yet. I could see over the next year or two it really taking off as the product matures.
This is what we've been saying from day one. You have to remember something, not everyone own an iPhone or an iPod Touch. Apple sold almost 60 million iPhone/iPod Touches since their release three years ago. I know many who didn't buy an iPhone because they are stuck with their existing phone contracts and didn't buy an iPod Touch because they want to buy an iPhone once their contracts are over. There are many, Mac and Windows users, who want an iPad. I expect Apple to sell 6 million this year and much more next year.
Your reply dont have a single point. it is pretty easy to understand what he is trying to say.
Exactly the point I was making! All those products have uses even though their high end comes close to the low end of a more functional product. Just because the most expensive iPad with all accessories is as much as a low end Mac notebook doesn't mean it's a foolish purchase for everyone. Not all products have to fit everyone's needs!
A lot of iPad accessories are going to come out. Some are already on sale now.
With the iPhone having a dozen different types of connections from a dozen different companies, you can bet accessory makers will get a good boost once iPad goes on sale.
With all the comments I expected you to actually be selling something but I found your site to have nothing actually available - just empty slots to put things in.
This is what we've been saying from day one. You have to remember something, not everyone own an iPhone or an iPod Touch. Apple sold almost 60 million iPhone/iPod Touches since their release three years ago. I know many who didn't buy an iPhone because they are stuck with their existing phone contracts and didn't buy an iPod Touch because they want to buy an iPhone once their contracts are over. There are many, Mac and Windows users, who want an iPad. I expect Apple to sell 6 million this year and much more next year.
Six million, I really have no idea. Thats a fairly high number even based on what Apple feels they can sell in the first year.
Six million, I really have no idea. Thats a fairly high number even based on what Apple feels they can sell in the first year.
I don't think Apple said how much they think they will sell. The mean prediction by Wall Street is four millions. You have to remember that the iPad will be sold world wide at launch. However, time will tell.
I'd like to see the accessory makers come up with something a little more clever than pretty cases. Between bluetooth, wifi, and the dock connector, it seems that there should be a lot of potential to make some really useful accessories that actually interface with these devices in a more meaningful way. Certainly there are some examples of this sort of thing (Nike, for example), but I would have thought we'd have seen a lot more by now (or maybe we have and I'm just not aware of it??)
Cases, stickers, headphones, etc. all represent the first in line opportunities for the iPad, same as what happened with iPods and iPhones. Once sales are proven, more expensive accessories will come along.
Your reply dont have a single point. it is pretty easy to understand what he is trying to say.
Of course it does - ES's point was that a fully loaded iPad approaches the cost of a low end Macbook - basic correct point but with very limited practical value when you think about it more.
Solipsism was making the very good counter point (if you think about it for more than 2 seconds), that there is always near overlap between top and bottom of Apple (and everyone elses') ranges so there is nothing particularly different or interesting about ES' iPad example - fair enough. Then it all gets ugly...
ES has certainly mitigated his tone since he was ExtremeTrolling at the iPad introduction but as he points out - it still gets very aggressive pretty quickly. My opinion would be that these 2 are incapable of having a civil conversation given the water under that bridge... had it been left after the first point and counter point it would have been all positive contribution but that seems impossible. I would suggest that ES take a breath when Sol replies rather than immediately go ad hominem (I'm not sure I would if I had their history) and Sol controls the urge to tail his reasonable replies with an intimation of "FU buddy!" e.g. "So what's your point?"
I'm heading off to Gaza next - should be easier
I can see people buying different cases/accessories for different uses and then people getting bored swapping cases and sharing the iPad and buying more ipads...
My friends recently bought an iPod touch for the family so they could play music when on vacation on a boat and give the kids something to play with... great idea but after a month away, it caused as many fights as quiet moments and they will now be buying 1-2 more...
Good to hear, the stock ipad case apple try to sell is expensive and ugly.
i guess this is why dozens of different designs will show up: One man's ugly is another man's attractive:
The apple case looks functional and handsome, to me. I'm hoping--and guessing--it's a hard case, to protect the screen.
I CAN imagine other makers might bring out designs that hold the iPad at a better angle for viewing (the vertical position looks too steep for viewing on an airplane or at a desk; i'll know better once i try it).
Only hands-on will also tell whether it's unfortunate apple's port-placement allows the keyboard dock to work only in portrait mode. Intuitively, i'd want to type to a landscape screen. We'll see.
Soon!
The really interesting stuff will connect to the dock. What is the status of the dock for hardware developers? Is it documented? Are licenses available and, if so, at what cost? Stuff like that...
exactly. it's the dock and blutooth accessories that will really add capabilities to the iPad, not the cases and skins.
obviously the iPad will not fit into most existing iPhone-dock accessories due to its bulk. so there will be a new generation.
besides the media systems with speakers, clocks, etc., what else might we see?
Of course it does - ES's point was that a fully loaded iPad approaches the cost of a low end Macbook - basic correct point but with very limited practical value when you think about it more.
ES's point was valid and true and obviously clear. A high end iPad does approach the low end MacBook. For some that will be a better choice than a iPad, for some it won't be, no big deal. There is nothing wrong with stating the obvious.
Solipsism was making the very good counter point (if you think about it for more than 2 seconds), that there is always near overlap between top and bottom of Apple (and everyone elses') ranges so there is nothing particularly different or interesting about ES' iPad example - fair enough.
So why not he state that instead of making a similarity between all "high end" of all Apple's devices and bait ES with the snarky "What's your point?" That's what ES was reacting too.
What I suspect is Solipsism took ES's point as a troll against the iPad and reacted accordingly, perhaps something occurred earlier between the two which I'm not aware of. Perhaps two people are just having a bad day, suffering from cabin fever, who knows? All over now anyway.
The public is going to buy what meets their needs and fancies them in the stores, what they are programmed to buy via the media, it doesn't matter too much what people say in a forum, else Apple would be suing bloggers left and right.