Absolutely. You get it whereas jfanning clearly doesn't. The concept of 'The Computer' i.e. a box on a desk in a room is already outmoded. The migration from that 80s/90s model to the mobile i.e. laptop, has been under way for a decade or more. Now, as the tech allows, the migration from the mobile to the ultra-mobile is here, and as you correctly point out, the iPhone was at the vanguard. The iPad I suspect will become the defining device of this next wave.
Well said...I like it 'the mobile to the the ultra-Mobile!' Now if we can just get the carriers to 'get it!'
Yes, fine Apple originally called it OS X, good for you. If it is OSX, why has Apple not released the source code for it like they did with the Darwin? After all it is OSX.
Never on point, just keep spinning an argument trying to find a way in but you never do. Darwin Darwin forms the core set of components that make up base of Mac OS, AppleTV OS, and iPhone OS. Do you really expect apple to release a DarwinLite or DarwinMobile? Please!
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Where have I stated the X was only associated with the Mac? Once again you lie, you do this ever post you do. How is that holiday going, you know the one you told us all about for a month, claiming you were going away for a month, never happened did it, go you...
That has been addressed. If you think by bringing it up will sadden me you're mistaken, but feel free to continue, you're just coming off as more of a jackass than usual.
I guess that's because they're selling more computers.
'Os X' is selling ALOT more 'computers.'
Telling that Steve Jobs noted that they are a 'mobile' computing company.
He included the iPhone/Pod, Laptops and the new iPad in that.
'Mac', for me, is going to be increasingly seen as a semantic harping back to 1984.
I view the iPad as an ultimate 'Mac'. Bringing the promise of the Macintosh as the computer for the 'rest of us' to a product that, finally, brings 'computing' to the rest of us.
Going forwards, petty squabbles over what 'is' or 'isn't' a Mac will become increasingly irrelevant as the power of the iPad eventually eclipses desktops from a ten years ago...gaming consoles sold a few years ago, netbooks from a year ago...
Apple themselves dropped the 'Mac' tag or 'iphone' tag when referring to their 'Os X'.
Going forwards, Apple is well placed to dominate the '3rd Great Age' of computing. If the iPad performs anywhere near as well as the iPhone/Pod Touch...
What xp, vista or 7 do will become increasingly irrelevant to Apple, its users or me...if its not already.
...how long before Apple has sold 100 million 'Os X' powered devices? A matter of time... That's alot more than an installed base of 30 million Macs? Mac sales heading for the 4 million a quarter mark (most of them being 'mobile'...) Add them together and that's serious marketshare for a 'mobile' computing platform.
I think iPhone sales are about 10 million a quarter? Or about there. What if iPad sales hit 10 million a quarter within the next year?
That's 20 million (almost installed base of Macs?) OsX 'computing' devices per quarter. 80 million per year. 160 million over 2 years. 240 million over 3 years. 320 million over 4 years. That's assuming flat line growth.
And if Mac sales can head towards 5 million a quarter over the next several years...
For me, it's not a case of what 'windows' does. Apple are doing their thing. And in the context of 'mobile', Windows is looking increasingly out of touch. Exciting times ahead for Apple users, methinks.
...how long before Apple has sold 100 million 'Os X' powered devices? A matter of time... That's alot more than an installed base of 30 million Macs? Mac sales heading for the 4 million a quarter mark (most of them being 'mobile'...) Add them together and that's serious marketshare for a 'mobile' computing platform.
I think iPhone sales are about 10 million a quarter? Or about there. What if iPad sales hit 10 million a quarter within the next year?
That's 20 million (almost installed base of Macs?) OsX 'computing' devices per quarter. 80 million per year. 160 million over 2 years. 240 million over 3 years. 320 million over 4 years. That's assuming flat line growth.
And if Mac sales can head towards 5 million a quarter over the next several years...
For me, it's not a case of what 'windows' does. Apple are doing their thing. And in the context of 'mobile', Windows is looking increasingly out of touch. Exciting times ahead for Apple users, methinks.
Lemon Bon Bon.
Hopefully they use OS X for more future products, like a Home Server or a much more powerful router. I think a Home Server would be a huge hit and would love to see a commercial router that can handle the traffic some homes have and the bandwidth some ISPs offer. 200Mbps coming to Finland next month.
Here is a chart you can use for most of the Mac OS X sales so far. Note Mac OS X 10.0 landed in March 2001.
So far, 51,419,000 Macs and 42,469,000 iPhones for a total of 93,888,000 devices running OS X (ie: Mac OS and iPhone OS) have been directly recorded. I didn't add Mac OS X Server, AppleTV or the iPod Touch unit sales to the mix. Only the iPod Touch can be determined and I don't think only for the last few quarters. Since Apple doesn't break out the iPod Touch sales you have to deduce the numbers from the OS X iPhone numbers minus the iPhone sales.
So far, 51,419,000 Macs and 42,469,000 iPhones for a total of 93,888,000 devices running OS X (ie: Mac OS and iPhone OS) have been directly recorded. I didn't add Mac OS X Server, AppleTV or the iPod Touch unit sales to the mix. Only the iPod Touch can be determined and I don't think only for the last few quarters. Since Apple doesn't break out the iPod Touch sales you have to deduce the numbers from the OS X iPhone numbers minus the iPhone sales.
Nice work. The last few years since the iPhone was release show amazing Mac growth.
So far, 51,419,000 Macs and 42,469,000 iPhones for a total of 93,888,000 devices running OS X (ie: Mac OS and iPhone OS) have been directly recorded. I didn't add Mac OS X Server, AppleTV or the iPod Touch unit sales to the mix. Only the iPod Touch can be determined and I don't think only for the last few quarters. Since Apple doesn't break out the iPod Touch sales you have to deduce the numbers from the OS X iPhone numbers minus the iPhone sales.
Excellent chart, do you have the details broken down by OS version number?
Never on point, just keep spinning an argument trying to find a way in but you never do. Darwin Darwin forms the core set of components that make up base of Mac OS, AppleTV OS, and iPhone OS. Do you really expect apple to release a DarwinLite or DarwinMobile? Please!
Once again I see this topic is way above you, I am finished discussing this with you
Once again I see this topic is way above you, I am finished discussing this with you
He is correct - there is no separate iPhone version of Darwin for them to release, thereby making your argument incorrect. I think the discussion is above you, rather than anyone else, and you obviously don't even know what "Darwin" is in this context.
Here's a space for you to use to go off on another tangent:
yes I know what a Mac is, I own four of them at the moment, but I don't think you do. The Mac is a personal computer, you are provided with the full power of OSX, the iPhone and iPod touch don't run OS X, they run the iPhone OS which is based on OS X technologies but more restricted in what you can do, big difference.
No, and I don't have either, and I am a lost to see why you think that would make a difference, my son has an iPod touch though.
Ah! It all comes clear now!: you enjoy starting arguments about things you have no experience with! I fully understand (I've done that myself, from time to time).
All I was saying, however, is that I thought it a pity that this thread about market share was missing the point if they were counting netbooks but not all the pocket Macs out there.
Now, jfanning, maybe (big maybe), later this month, when Apple releases the 10" version of the iPod Touch (which they've decided to name the iPad), and the 10" version of the iPhone (which they've decided to name the iPad3G), which all run on a version of Mac OSX with the Cocoa Touch layer, then maybe, just maybe, you'll understand my original point, and not get all hung about whether or not I have a pocket Mac in my pocket (which I most certainly do, btw).
I have hope for you, jfannning, open your eyes and close down your pride a bit. Arguments aren't about winning, they are about understanding.
So far, 51,419,000 Macs and 42,469,000 iPhones for a total of 93,888,000 devices running OS X (ie: Mac OS and iPhone OS) have been directly recorded. I didn't add Mac OS X Server, AppleTV or the iPod Touch unit sales to the mix. Only the iPod Touch can be determined and I don't think only for the last few quarters. Since Apple doesn't break out the iPod Touch sales you have to deduce the numbers from the OS X iPhone numbers minus the iPhone sales.
Yeah, and the iPhone and iPod touch sales are ramping up so fast you can't even afford to blink. There are probably closer to 50 million iPhones in the market (as of this second), and maybe as many as 30 million iPod Touches. All of which are unrepresented by Quantcas in this thread.
It's a big deal to not mention it. The iPhone OS has a big future, WinXP does not. i.e. the iPhone, Touch, and soon to be iPad are very worthy of mention, whereas the netbooks . . . not so much.
Yeah, and the iPhone and iPod touch sales are ramping up so fast you can't even afford to blink. There are probably closer to 50 million iPhones in the market (as of this second), and maybe as many as 30 million iPod Touches. All of which are unrepresented by Quantcas in this thread.
It's a big deal to not mention it. The iPhone OS has a big future, WinXP does not. i.e. the iPhone, Touch, and soon to be iPad are very worthy of mention, whereas the netbooks . . . not so much.
And onc I can get the iPod Touch numbers in there, which I think are beating the iPhone numbers you have a huge user base for OS X. Apple has no reason not to be making OS X from the kernel up as efficient as possible. There is just too much money at stake not to be dumping massive resources into refining it.
There seems to be an all-or-nothing attitude with may people. Statements like "Apple makes more money now from the iPhone so they means they don't care about Macs", "Apple dropped the term "computer" from their name that must mean they don't care about Macs", and "JObs said they are a mobile company that must mean they don't care about Mac users", but looking at the growth there is absolutely no way Apple will be reducing Mac support and the OS X foundation common to 50 million(?) devices in 2010 will make all versions of OS X better for it. At least, that is what I see.
And onc I can get the iPod Touch numbers in there, which I think are beating the iPhone numbers you have a huge user base for OS X. Apple has no reason not to be making OS X from the kernel up as efficient as possible. There is just too much money at stake not to be dumping massive resources into refining it.
There seems to be an all-or-nothing attitude with may people. Statements like "Apple makes more money now from the iPhone so they means they don't care about Macs", "Apple dropped the term "computer" from their name that must mean they don't care about Macs", and "JObs said they are a mobile company that must mean they don't care about Mac users", but looking at the growth there is absolutely no way Apple will be reducing Mac support and the OS X foundation common to 50 million(?) devices in 2010 will make all versions of OS X better for it. At least, that is what I see.
There seems to be an all-or-nothing attitude with may people. Statements like "Apple makes more money now from the iPhone so they means they don't care about Macs", "Apple dropped the term "computer" from their name that must mean they don't care about Macs", and "JObs said they are a mobile company that must mean they don't care about Mac users", but looking at the growth there is absolutely no way Apple will be reducing Mac support and the OS X foundation common to 50 million(?) devices in 2010 will make all versions of OS X better for it. At least, that is what I see.
+1
"Apple dropped the term "computer". That's a particular bugbear of mine! Despite dropping the "computer" name Apple just keep selling more and more of them each year. Seeing as how HP makes more money from non-computers... than computers, troll logic would have you believe that they should stop making computers too.
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And onc I can get the iPod Touch numbers in there, which I think are beating the iPhone numbers you have a huge user base for OS X.
Interesting figures Sol. It's only anecdotal, but most of the analysts reckon that iPod Touch sales are around one third of all iPod sales... and around 65% of iPhone sales.
I think it may be a bit of a stretch to count all owners of G3 iMacs and iBooks (2001-2) as active OS X users. I mean they possible are... but could be using newer gear.
From the horses mouth. Back in June 2009, Phil Schiller made a big deal of announcing that there were 75 million OS X users. Mac, iPhone and iTouch. Using my patented 'sticky note math' I reckon that figure reaches around 130 million by the end of this quarter. Add the iPad and a new iPhone... and a following wind, and that could be close to 150 million at the next WWDC.
I think it may be a bit of a stretch to count all owners of G3 iMacs and iBooks (2001-2) as active OS X users. I mean they possible are... but could be using newer gear.
To clarify, my numbers aren't to show installed base, but to answer Lemon Bon Bon's earlier question of how many devices has Apple sold running a form of OS X.
Now, jfanning, maybe (big maybe), later this month, when Apple releases the 10" version of the iPod Touch (which they've decided to name the iPad), and the 10" version of the iPhone (which they've decided to name the iPad3G), which all run on a version of Mac OSX with the Cocoa Touch layer, then maybe, just maybe, you'll understand my original point, and not get all hung about whether or not I have a pocket Mac in my pocket (which I most certainly do, btw).
I have hope for you, jfannning, open your eyes and close down your pride a bit. Arguments aren't about winning, they are about understanding.
Peace.
So if they are running a version OSX, will Apple release a new XCode with a Mac target of ARM? Or is this where you are missing the point again?
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Absolutely. You get it whereas jfanning clearly doesn't. The concept of 'The Computer' i.e. a box on a desk in a room is already outmoded. The migration from that 80s/90s model to the mobile i.e. laptop, has been under way for a decade or more. Now, as the tech allows, the migration from the mobile to the ultra-mobile is here, and as you correctly point out, the iPhone was at the vanguard. The iPad I suspect will become the defining device of this next wave.
Well said...I like it 'the mobile to the the ultra-Mobile!' Now if we can just get the carriers to 'get it!'
Especially for worldwide travel!
You are a fine one to hassle peoples writing...
Yes, quite fine indeed.
Yes, fine Apple originally called it OS X, good for you. If it is OSX, why has Apple not released the source code for it like they did with the Darwin? After all it is OSX.
Never on point, just keep spinning an argument trying to find a way in but you never do. Darwin Darwin forms the core set of components that make up base of Mac OS, AppleTV OS, and iPhone OS. Do you really expect apple to release a DarwinLite or DarwinMobile? Please!
Where have I stated the X was only associated with the Mac? Once again you lie, you do this ever post you do. How is that holiday going, you know the one you told us all about for a month, claiming you were going away for a month, never happened did it, go you...
That has been addressed. If you think by bringing it up will sadden me you're mistaken, but feel free to continue, you're just coming off as more of a jackass than usual.
I guess that's because they're selling more computers.
'Os X' is selling ALOT more 'computers.'
Telling that Steve Jobs noted that they are a 'mobile' computing company.
He included the iPhone/Pod, Laptops and the new iPad in that.
'Mac', for me, is going to be increasingly seen as a semantic harping back to 1984.
I view the iPad as an ultimate 'Mac'. Bringing the promise of the Macintosh as the computer for the 'rest of us' to a product that, finally, brings 'computing' to the rest of us.
Going forwards, petty squabbles over what 'is' or 'isn't' a Mac will become increasingly irrelevant as the power of the iPad eventually eclipses desktops from a ten years ago...gaming consoles sold a few years ago, netbooks from a year ago...
Apple themselves dropped the 'Mac' tag or 'iphone' tag when referring to their 'Os X'.
Going forwards, Apple is well placed to dominate the '3rd Great Age' of computing. If the iPad performs anywhere near as well as the iPhone/Pod Touch...
What xp, vista or 7 do will become increasingly irrelevant to Apple, its users or me...if its not already.
Lemon Bon Bon.
I think iPhone sales are about 10 million a quarter? Or about there. What if iPad sales hit 10 million a quarter within the next year?
That's 20 million (almost installed base of Macs?) OsX 'computing' devices per quarter. 80 million per year. 160 million over 2 years. 240 million over 3 years. 320 million over 4 years. That's assuming flat line growth.
And if Mac sales can head towards 5 million a quarter over the next several years...
For me, it's not a case of what 'windows' does. Apple are doing their thing. And in the context of 'mobile', Windows is looking increasingly out of touch. Exciting times ahead for Apple users, methinks.
Lemon Bon Bon.
...how long before Apple has sold 100 million 'Os X' powered devices? A matter of time... That's alot more than an installed base of 30 million Macs? Mac sales heading for the 4 million a quarter mark (most of them being 'mobile'...) Add them together and that's serious marketshare for a 'mobile' computing platform.
I think iPhone sales are about 10 million a quarter? Or about there. What if iPad sales hit 10 million a quarter within the next year?
That's 20 million (almost installed base of Macs?) OsX 'computing' devices per quarter. 80 million per year. 160 million over 2 years. 240 million over 3 years. 320 million over 4 years. That's assuming flat line growth.
And if Mac sales can head towards 5 million a quarter over the next several years...
For me, it's not a case of what 'windows' does. Apple are doing their thing. And in the context of 'mobile', Windows is looking increasingly out of touch. Exciting times ahead for Apple users, methinks.
Lemon Bon Bon.
Hopefully they use OS X for more future products, like a Home Server or a much more powerful router. I think a Home Server would be a huge hit and would love to see a commercial router that can handle the traffic some homes have and the bandwidth some ISPs offer. 200Mbps coming to Finland next month.
Here is a chart you can use for most of the Mac OS X sales so far. Note Mac OS X 10.0 landed in March 2001.A rough estimate looks to be about 60M(?) OS X-based Macs sold so far? If I get an hour tomorrow I'll look up the quarters and graph it out.
So far, 51,419,000 Macs and 42,469,000 iPhones for a total of 93,888,000 devices running OS X (ie: Mac OS and iPhone OS) have been directly recorded. I didn't add Mac OS X Server, AppleTV or the iPod Touch unit sales to the mix. Only the iPod Touch can be determined and I don't think only for the last few quarters. Since Apple doesn't break out the iPod Touch sales you have to deduce the numbers from the OS X iPhone numbers minus the iPhone sales.
Nice work. The last few years since the iPhone was release show amazing Mac growth.
So far, 51,419,000 Macs and 42,469,000 iPhones for a total of 93,888,000 devices running OS X (ie: Mac OS and iPhone OS) have been directly recorded. I didn't add Mac OS X Server, AppleTV or the iPod Touch unit sales to the mix. Only the iPod Touch can be determined and I don't think only for the last few quarters. Since Apple doesn't break out the iPod Touch sales you have to deduce the numbers from the OS X iPhone numbers minus the iPhone sales.
Excellent chart, do you have the details broken down by OS version number?
Never on point, just keep spinning an argument trying to find a way in but you never do. Darwin Darwin forms the core set of components that make up base of Mac OS, AppleTV OS, and iPhone OS. Do you really expect apple to release a DarwinLite or DarwinMobile? Please!
Once again I see this topic is way above you, I am finished discussing this with you
Once again I see this topic is way above you, I am finished discussing this with you
He is correct - there is no separate iPhone version of Darwin for them to release, thereby making your argument incorrect. I think the discussion is above you, rather than anyone else, and you obviously don't even know what "Darwin" is in this context.
Here's a space for you to use to go off on another tangent:
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who cares how many people run what OS ?? in fact why get so hot about code and equipment anyway ??
apple people are thrilled with snowy and all it promises us . why does that fact annoy you all so much ??
are all you asshole trolls happy with win7 vista longhorn xp ??
yes ??
fine
go enjoy your fat code crash city lost data virus needed day
why bother us
what sick thrill do you get making a complete fool of your selves do for you . ???
Once again I see this topic is way above you, I am finished discussing this with you
finished discussing?? are you sure ?? i mean
why stop now you have made a complete fool of your self 8 posts in a row !!
google darwin silly man .
the world reads this page
smile for the google bots
yes I know what a Mac is, I own four of them at the moment, but I don't think you do. The Mac is a personal computer, you are provided with the full power of OSX, the iPhone and iPod touch don't run OS X, they run the iPhone OS which is based on OS X technologies but more restricted in what you can do, big difference.
No, and I don't have either, and I am a lost to see why you think that would make a difference, my son has an iPod touch though.
Ah! It all comes clear now!: you enjoy starting arguments about things you have no experience with! I fully understand (I've done that myself, from time to time).
All I was saying, however, is that I thought it a pity that this thread about market share was missing the point if they were counting netbooks but not all the pocket Macs out there.
Now, jfanning, maybe (big maybe), later this month, when Apple releases the 10" version of the iPod Touch (which they've decided to name the iPad), and the 10" version of the iPhone (which they've decided to name the iPad3G), which all run on a version of Mac OSX with the Cocoa Touch layer, then maybe, just maybe, you'll understand my original point, and not get all hung about whether or not I have a pocket Mac in my pocket (which I most certainly do, btw).
I have hope for you, jfannning, open your eyes and close down your pride a bit. Arguments aren't about winning, they are about understanding.
Peace.
So far, 51,419,000 Macs and 42,469,000 iPhones for a total of 93,888,000 devices running OS X (ie: Mac OS and iPhone OS) have been directly recorded. I didn't add Mac OS X Server, AppleTV or the iPod Touch unit sales to the mix. Only the iPod Touch can be determined and I don't think only for the last few quarters. Since Apple doesn't break out the iPod Touch sales you have to deduce the numbers from the OS X iPhone numbers minus the iPhone sales.
wow
now i see why amazon/nokia are so scared
this chart shows a run away train.....
wow WOW
GO APPLE
wow
now i see why amazon/nokia are so scared
this chart shows a run away train.....
wow WOW
GO APPLE
Yeah, and the iPhone and iPod touch sales are ramping up so fast you can't even afford to blink. There are probably closer to 50 million iPhones in the market (as of this second), and maybe as many as 30 million iPod Touches. All of which are unrepresented by Quantcas in this thread.
It's a big deal to not mention it. The iPhone OS has a big future, WinXP does not. i.e. the iPhone, Touch, and soon to be iPad are very worthy of mention, whereas the netbooks . . . not so much.
wow
now i see why amazon/nokia are so scared
this chart shows a run away train.....
wow WOW
GO APPLE
Yeah, and the iPhone and iPod touch sales are ramping up so fast you can't even afford to blink. There are probably closer to 50 million iPhones in the market (as of this second), and maybe as many as 30 million iPod Touches. All of which are unrepresented by Quantcas in this thread.
It's a big deal to not mention it. The iPhone OS has a big future, WinXP does not. i.e. the iPhone, Touch, and soon to be iPad are very worthy of mention, whereas the netbooks . . . not so much.
And onc I can get the iPod Touch numbers in there, which I think are beating the iPhone numbers you have a huge user base for OS X. Apple has no reason not to be making OS X from the kernel up as efficient as possible. There is just too much money at stake not to be dumping massive resources into refining it.
There seems to be an all-or-nothing attitude with may people. Statements like "Apple makes more money now from the iPhone so they means they don't care about Macs", "Apple dropped the term "computer" from their name that must mean they don't care about Macs", and "JObs said they are a mobile company that must mean they don't care about Mac users", but looking at the growth there is absolutely no way Apple will be reducing Mac support and the OS X foundation common to 50 million(?) devices in 2010 will make all versions of OS X better for it. At least, that is what I see.
And onc I can get the iPod Touch numbers in there, which I think are beating the iPhone numbers you have a huge user base for OS X. Apple has no reason not to be making OS X from the kernel up as efficient as possible. There is just too much money at stake not to be dumping massive resources into refining it.
There seems to be an all-or-nothing attitude with may people. Statements like "Apple makes more money now from the iPhone so they means they don't care about Macs", "Apple dropped the term "computer" from their name that must mean they don't care about Macs", and "JObs said they are a mobile company that must mean they don't care about Mac users", but looking at the growth there is absolutely no way Apple will be reducing Mac support and the OS X foundation common to 50 million(?) devices in 2010 will make all versions of OS X better for it. At least, that is what I see.
Well said. I couldn't agree with you more.
There seems to be an all-or-nothing attitude with may people. Statements like "Apple makes more money now from the iPhone so they means they don't care about Macs", "Apple dropped the term "computer" from their name that must mean they don't care about Macs", and "JObs said they are a mobile company that must mean they don't care about Mac users", but looking at the growth there is absolutely no way Apple will be reducing Mac support and the OS X foundation common to 50 million(?) devices in 2010 will make all versions of OS X better for it. At least, that is what I see.
+1
"Apple dropped the term "computer". That's a particular bugbear of mine! Despite dropping the "computer" name Apple just keep selling more and more of them each year. Seeing as how HP makes more money from non-computers... than computers, troll logic would have you believe that they should stop making computers too.
And onc I can get the iPod Touch numbers in there, which I think are beating the iPhone numbers you have a huge user base for OS X.
Interesting figures Sol. It's only anecdotal, but most of the analysts reckon that iPod Touch sales are around one third of all iPod sales... and around 65% of iPhone sales.
I think it may be a bit of a stretch to count all owners of G3 iMacs and iBooks (2001-2) as active OS X users. I mean they possible are... but could be using newer gear.
From the horses mouth. Back in June 2009, Phil Schiller made a big deal of announcing that there were 75 million OS X users. Mac, iPhone and iTouch. Using my patented 'sticky note math' I reckon that figure reaches around 130 million by the end of this quarter. Add the iPad and a new iPhone... and a following wind, and that could be close to 150 million at the next WWDC.
Interesting times.
I think it may be a bit of a stretch to count all owners of G3 iMacs and iBooks (2001-2) as active OS X users. I mean they possible are... but could be using newer gear.
To clarify, my numbers aren't to show installed base, but to answer Lemon Bon Bon's earlier question of how many devices has Apple sold running a form of OS X.
Now, jfanning, maybe (big maybe), later this month, when Apple releases the 10" version of the iPod Touch (which they've decided to name the iPad), and the 10" version of the iPhone (which they've decided to name the iPad3G), which all run on a version of Mac OSX with the Cocoa Touch layer, then maybe, just maybe, you'll understand my original point, and not get all hung about whether or not I have a pocket Mac in my pocket (which I most certainly do, btw).
I have hope for you, jfannning, open your eyes and close down your pride a bit. Arguments aren't about winning, they are about understanding.
Peace.
So if they are running a version OSX, will Apple release a new XCode with a Mac target of ARM? Or is this where you are missing the point again?