One can certainly complain about what companies like Apple allow (or do not allow) us to do, but at the end of the day, it's all about the people who provide the bandwidth and the prices/quantities they offer.
What's with the business model of these atavistic carriers such as ATT and Verizon? Why are they so resistant to change? Why can't they innovate to create a bandwidth ecosystem that allows consumers to make these sorts of simple choices? What is it going to take for them to come into the 21st century? Have they learned nothing -- has nothing rubbed off -- about the value of product and process innovation from their working with companies like Apple and Google? Why is there not a single trailblazer in this industry anywhere in the world? Is this where all the apparatchiks ended up working after Communism fell?
I think you have failed to understand the issue in this instance. Apple makes deals with telcos to capture customers in which both telcos and Apple benefit.
if i pay for something without subsidy then i have the right to use the product which ever way i want. if i need to use a service then i will pay for it. Tethering is a connectivity feature most mobile devices have why should apple limit this feature.
what seems to me is JOBS arrogance is more important than customers needs. Apple is becoming somewhat like Microsoft and it will be a shame if it does.
I understand everyone's issue with the cost issue of paying for a iphone data plan and a separate ipad data plan but why is tethering that important between those 2 devices?
Basically you can get the same information on the iphone as you do the ipad, the screen size is different but you get the same info. I can see tethering to hookup your notebook to the iphone since iphone can not do flash websites but I just don't see the issue using it between the iphone and ipad.
I understand everyone's issue with the cost issue of paying for a iphone data plan and a separate ipad data plan but why is tethering that important between those 2 devices?
Basically you can get the same information on the iphone as you do the ipad, the screen size is different but you get the same info. I can see tethering to hookup your notebook to the iphone since iphone can not do flash websites but I just don't see the issue using it between the iphone and ipad.
It's by far more useful on the iPad than on a Mac. Mac's are designed to use fast internet, not what passes for 3G in the U.S. Using a Macbook tethered to an iPhone should be a rare occurrence, other wise you have the wrong set of devices.
The iPad and iPhone are very similar in some ways, and very different in all others. Owners of both will find certain things more suited for one, than the other. Regardless, you can only use one of them at a time. Therefor, most people people with common sense see no reason why one data connection cannot be shared. If I pay $30 a mon for unlimited 3G on my iPhone, I have a right to use that connection in an unlimited fashion. I'm not talking about abuse either. I'm talking pure convenience.
Like new smartphones coming to market, the iPhone should have the built in ability to broadcast it's 3G connection as a WiFi hotspot, allowing several local devices to share one connection. This is not a built in feature, but fortunately, one needs only to jailbreak their iPhone, and install MyWi.
Because of this feature, I will be saving $130 + 30 a mon on my iPad purchase, because I refuse to be taken advantage of. I already overpay AT&T for data, by a long way, and cannot come close to using it to its full advantage due to imposed restrictions.
Steve Jobs appears to have fired off a tersely worded email reply to a user in Sweeden who asked whether the WiFi-only iPad could be tethered to the iPhone: "Jailbreak. Not a big deal."
Fixed.
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Umm, where is Sweeden, anyway?
Where Ikeea is based, of course!
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Originally Posted by dangermouse
Or honest or able to see other peoples point of view or or simply why the world doesn't just flat out owe you everything you want. Unless you're a grown up, basically.
Translation: you're only "grown up" if you bend over and accept whatever scam your friendly neighbourhood telco has chosen to pull over on you this week.
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I think the problem was not with "terse" but with "worded." How can a one word reply be worded (plural)?
The 3g model requires a monthly plan. I don't understand why Jobs would care if you pay 30 a month for independent 3g on the ipad vs 30 extra a month on the phone bill...
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The Wifi + 3g model does NOT require an extra phone bill. It only requires one if you want to get access through 3g.
For those areas where tethering is possible, is it possible to attach the USB cable that comes from the iPhone to a usb wifi device that the iPad or any other wifi enabled device could then connect to?
The iPhone has wifi. Why would you need to connect a USB wifi device to it?
If there's a 3G option, why would you need to tether? Who the hell is gonna do that?
You want 3G, get the 3G version. That's why it's there.
Please don't be dense, you're usually fairly rational.
I have an iPhone. Want an iPad. I actually leave the house, unlike some.
I'm NOT paying a $130 premium, for a $5 radio, nor am I paying 15-$30 a mon extra, for data I'm already paying for.
I'm paying $30 for unlimited 3G. Why on earth would I pay more for a second device that uses the same network, in place of the iPhone? I can't use both at once, so as far as I'm concerned, asking me to pay more is extortion.
I'm not going to "tether" as in usb or bluetooth, but I AM going to turn my iPhone into WiFI hotspot so I can get some value out of the $30 a mon I pay.
Please don't be dense, you're usually fairly rational.
I have an iPhone. Want an iPad. I actually leave the house, unlike some.
I'm NOT paying a $130 premium, for a $5 radio, nor am I paying 15-$30 a mon extra, for data I'm already paying for.
I'm paying $30 for unlimited 3G. Why on earth would I pay more for a second device that uses the same network, in place of the iPhone? I can't use both at once, so as far as I'm concerned, asking me to pay more is extortion.
I'm not going to "tether" as in usb or bluetooth, but I AM going to turn my iPhone into WiFI hotspot so I can get some value out of the $30 a mon I pay.
Actually I think you're the one being dense. Just because you pay for 'unlimited data' on one device, ATT/Apple should allow you the same on all the darn devices in your house? That is as silly and naive as expecting one unlimited data subscription to pay for your family plan.
What about jailbreaking the iPhone to create a local wifi hotspot for your iPad? I haven't jailbroken mine, but I'd do it just for this.
I was really looking forward to tethering till I actually used it. I have a jailbroken phone and I used PdaNet.
It works, but it's a big drain on the battery life. So you need to connect the phone to the computer via USB cable, to keep it charged. But that also impacts the laptop's battery, which needs to power two WiFi and one 3G connections.
You also notice more that 3G is slow on a computer, than you do on a phone. This is because computers don't load the much lighter mobile versions of various Web sites.
So I use it every once in a while, but I don't really see it as practical for constant use. I think tethering has its uses, but is kind of overrated.
I'm astounding at the people who think they are entitled to alter the AT&T contract they willing signed, who have changed the meaning of the word 'unlimited' to included "unlimited tethered devices", and who have decided that if Apple is forcing you to buy an iPad that Apple (no, Steve Jobs) much also supply cellular data for free.
Q: Why should be allowed to tether the iPad but not any old PC for free? Is it the fact that it's from Apple or that both start with an 'i'? Does that mean you should be allowed to tether your Macs for free? How about buying a $30/month and just using the iPad to tether your home network. Sounds brilliant.
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It was expected. Verizon charge additional $40 to turn the Pre Plus into a Wifi hotspot and $30 to tether most smartphone (5GB limit in all cases). AT&T offers are similar. Therefore, the iPad data plans seems a good deal. However, it sucks that ev
eryone should suffer because few carriers don't want iPhone users to tether.
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You've just answered your own question. There is no difference between $30 on separate plan or $30 tethering. However, tethering will drain both devices battery at the same time and the current iPad data plan requires no contract. So a separate plan is better choice if you are welling to pay. Most people who want tethering wants it because their carrier don't charge for it.
The 3G model does not require a contract. It is a month by month plan.
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The Wifi + 3g model does NOT require an extra phone bill. It only requires one if you want to get access through 3g.
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Actually I think you're the one being dense. Just because you pay for 'unlimited data' on one device, ATT/Apple should allow you the same on all the darn devices in your house? That is as silly and naive as expecting one unlimited data subscription to pay for your family plan.
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Originally Posted by Abster2core
There was a point in my life that I did.
Then I got children, and when they too became teenagers they also thought the same thing when I answered, "No."
Now that they are adults, "No," is simply the opposite of "Yes." And things are more hospitable.
I gather that the writer of this article hasn't grown up yet.
And as we say in research, if you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question.
Tersely doesn't seem like the best choice. I think Laconic would have been more apt.
For folks who already have iPhone 3G's with data plan?
As you stated "iPhone", not iPad. not "all iDevices", not "any and all devices". If AT&T offers an option that is a pay for phone 3G device and get all other connected for free plan then you'll be good to go, but that doesn't seem likely. Comcast doesn't give me free internet and cable at my other homes simply because I can only be in one at a time. I have to pay to maintain service to each home.
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What's with the business model of these atavistic carriers such as ATT and Verizon? Why are they so resistant to change? Why can't they innovate to create a bandwidth ecosystem that allows consumers to make these sorts of simple choices? What is it going to take for them to come into the 21st century? Have they learned nothing -- has nothing rubbed off -- about the value of product and process innovation from their working with companies like Apple and Google? Why is there not a single trailblazer in this industry anywhere in the world? Is this where all the apparatchiks ended up working after Communism fell?
Ugh.
I think you have failed to understand the issue in this instance. Apple makes deals with telcos to capture customers in which both telcos and Apple benefit.
if i pay for something without subsidy then i have the right to use the product which ever way i want. if i need to use a service then i will pay for it. Tethering is a connectivity feature most mobile devices have why should apple limit this feature.
what seems to me is JOBS arrogance is more important than customers needs. Apple is becoming somewhat like Microsoft and it will be a shame if it does.
What about jailbreaking the iPhone to create a local wifi hotspot for your iPad? I haven't jailbroken mine, but I'd do it just for this.
Yes yes yes yes, of course this works.
Can we f'ing sticky this already? I'm tired of people being unaware of this simple, obvious possibility.
There are plenty of people who would not/will not jailbreak, but for those who would, you NEED to know this, and need to stop asking.
No Tethering over USB or Bluetooth. This is essentially another iPhone or iPod touch in this regard. Not difficult to understand.
Basically you can get the same information on the iphone as you do the ipad, the screen size is different but you get the same info. I can see tethering to hookup your notebook to the iphone since iphone can not do flash websites but I just don't see the issue using it between the iphone and ipad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_jobs
I understand everyone's issue with the cost issue of paying for a iphone data plan and a separate ipad data plan but why is tethering that important between those 2 devices?
Basically you can get the same information on the iphone as you do the ipad, the screen size is different but you get the same info. I can see tethering to hookup your notebook to the iphone since iphone can not do flash websites but I just don't see the issue using it between the iphone and ipad.
It's by far more useful on the iPad than on a Mac. Mac's are designed to use fast internet, not what passes for 3G in the U.S. Using a Macbook tethered to an iPhone should be a rare occurrence, other wise you have the wrong set of devices.
The iPad and iPhone are very similar in some ways, and very different in all others. Owners of both will find certain things more suited for one, than the other. Regardless, you can only use one of them at a time. Therefor, most people people with common sense see no reason why one data connection cannot be shared. If I pay $30 a mon for unlimited 3G on my iPhone, I have a right to use that connection in an unlimited fashion. I'm not talking about abuse either. I'm talking pure convenience.
Like new smartphones coming to market, the iPhone should have the built in ability to broadcast it's 3G connection as a WiFi hotspot, allowing several local devices to share one connection. This is not a built in feature, but fortunately, one needs only to jailbreak their iPhone, and install MyWi.
Because of this feature, I will be saving $130 + 30 a mon on my iPad purchase, because I refuse to be taken advantage of. I already overpay AT&T for data, by a long way, and cannot come close to using it to its full advantage due to imposed restrictions.
Steve Jobs appears to have fired off a tersely worded email reply to a user in Sweeden who asked whether the WiFi-only iPad could be tethered to the iPhone: "Jailbreak. Not a big deal."
Fixed.
Umm, where is Sweeden, anyway?
Where Ikeea is based, of course!
Or honest or able to see other peoples point of view or or simply why the world doesn't just flat out owe you everything you want. Unless you're a grown up, basically.
Translation: you're only "grown up" if you bend over and accept whatever scam your friendly neighbourhood telco has chosen to pull over on you this week.
I think the problem was not with "terse" but with "worded." How can a one word reply be worded (plural)?
"Worded" isn't plural.
They had a rough winter Olympics, so please don't pile-on. Could you please adjust the spelling to their country, namely from Sweeden to Sweden?
All the best, Abba
The 3g model requires a monthly plan. I don't understand why Jobs would care if you pay 30 a month for independent 3g on the ipad vs 30 extra a month on the phone bill...
ohtwell
The Wifi + 3g model does NOT require an extra phone bill. It only requires one if you want to get access through 3g.
You want 3G, get the 3G version. That's why it's there.
For those areas where tethering is possible, is it possible to attach the USB cable that comes from the iPhone to a usb wifi device that the iPad or any other wifi enabled device could then connect to?
The iPhone has wifi. Why would you need to connect a USB wifi device to it?
If there's a 3G option, why would you need to tether? Who the hell is gonna do that?
You want 3G, get the 3G version. That's why it's there.
Please don't be dense, you're usually fairly rational.
I have an iPhone. Want an iPad. I actually leave the house, unlike some.
I'm NOT paying a $130 premium, for a $5 radio, nor am I paying 15-$30 a mon extra, for data I'm already paying for.
I'm paying $30 for unlimited 3G. Why on earth would I pay more for a second device that uses the same network, in place of the iPhone? I can't use both at once, so as far as I'm concerned, asking me to pay more is extortion.
I'm not going to "tether" as in usb or bluetooth, but I AM going to turn my iPhone into WiFI hotspot so I can get some value out of the $30 a mon I pay.
Please don't be dense, you're usually fairly rational.
I have an iPhone. Want an iPad. I actually leave the house, unlike some.
I'm NOT paying a $130 premium, for a $5 radio, nor am I paying 15-$30 a mon extra, for data I'm already paying for.
I'm paying $30 for unlimited 3G. Why on earth would I pay more for a second device that uses the same network, in place of the iPhone? I can't use both at once, so as far as I'm concerned, asking me to pay more is extortion.
I'm not going to "tether" as in usb or bluetooth, but I AM going to turn my iPhone into WiFI hotspot so I can get some value out of the $30 a mon I pay.
Actually I think you're the one being dense. Just because you pay for 'unlimited data' on one device, ATT/Apple should allow you the same on all the darn devices in your house? That is as silly and naive as expecting one unlimited data subscription to pay for your family plan.
If there's a 3G option, why would you need to tether? Who the hell is gonna do that?
You want 3G, get the 3G version. That's why it's there.
For folks who already have iPhone 3G's with data plan?
What about jailbreaking the iPhone to create a local wifi hotspot for your iPad? I haven't jailbroken mine, but I'd do it just for this.
I was really looking forward to tethering till I actually used it. I have a jailbroken phone and I used PdaNet.
It works, but it's a big drain on the battery life. So you need to connect the phone to the computer via USB cable, to keep it charged. But that also impacts the laptop's battery, which needs to power two WiFi and one 3G connections.
You also notice more that 3G is slow on a computer, than you do on a phone. This is because computers don't load the much lighter mobile versions of various Web sites.
So I use it every once in a while, but I don't really see it as practical for constant use. I think tethering has its uses, but is kind of overrated.
Q: Why should be allowed to tether the iPad but not any old PC for free? Is it the fact that it's from Apple or that both start with an 'i'? Does that mean you should be allowed to tether your Macs for free? How about buying a $30/month and just using the iPad to tether your home network. Sounds brilliant.
It was expected. Verizon charge additional $40 to turn the Pre Plus into a Wifi hotspot and $30 to tether most smartphone (5GB limit in all cases). AT&T offers are similar. Therefore, the iPad data plans seems a good deal. However, it sucks that ev
eryone should suffer because few carriers don't want iPhone users to tether.
This ↑
You've just answered your own question. There is no difference between $30 on separate plan or $30 tethering. However, tethering will drain both devices battery at the same time and the current iPad data plan requires no contract. So a separate plan is better choice if you are welling to pay. Most people who want tethering wants it because their carrier don't charge for it.
The 3G model does not require a contract. It is a month by month plan.
This ↑
The Wifi + 3g model does NOT require an extra phone bill. It only requires one if you want to get access through 3g.
This ↑
Actually I think you're the one being dense. Just because you pay for 'unlimited data' on one device, ATT/Apple should allow you the same on all the darn devices in your house? That is as silly and naive as expecting one unlimited data subscription to pay for your family plan.
This ↑
There was a point in my life that I did.
Then I got children, and when they too became teenagers they also thought the same thing when I answered, "No."
Now that they are adults, "No," is simply the opposite of "Yes." And things are more hospitable.
I gather that the writer of this article hasn't grown up yet.
And as we say in research, if you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question.
Tersely doesn't seem like the best choice. I think Laconic would have been more apt.
For folks who already have iPhone 3G's with data plan?
As you stated "iPhone", not iPad. not "all iDevices", not "any and all devices". If AT&T offers an option that is a pay for phone 3G device and get all other connected for free plan then you'll be good to go, but that doesn't seem likely. Comcast doesn't give me free internet and cable at my other homes simply because I can only be in one at a time. I have to pay to maintain service to each home.