Do we have any objective information as to why the iPhone is falling further and further behind the Blackberry?
The opinions presented so far include:
The iOS is technically inferior.
Apple made a huge mistake in marketing only one phone.
Apple made a huge mistake in using only one carrier.
Apple's product refresh cycles are too long.
Personally, I don't really know why the iPhone growth has vanished, or whether this trend will reverse when they finally catch up to the competitors with the new iOS. I'll remain optimistic about the iOS in the meantime.
It's interesting that in some of your posts you're trying to prove that the graph is not US only, but global. Then in other posts, you are talking about Apple using only one carrier (which is a US situation). While in other countries iPhone is sold at multiple carriers in one country.
No. I like to make folks think different. I like to challenge them to do so, in an attempt to divine truth.
The argument is an efficient means to an end, and not the goal. The goal is to see what new ideas can be discovered.
But I will freely admit that I chortle when folks dispute the meanings of words, rather than admitting the truth of an underlying idea. That is something I've not encountered elsewhere.
There are many pleasures in this forum.
divine truth? puh-lease....the only thing you like to challenge is people's patience and sanity.
get off your holier-than-thou-quest for DIVINE truth high horse.... trying to be a revisionist on your history is an insult to thinking people...do you not realize people can go back and look at what you wrote?
I do not think anyone is confused on what your true purpose on this forum is...and its not for intelligent conversation...as you can not comprehend your own information..
The point they are trying to make is they aren' going to do it if its going to be half assed. Other phones throw it on just to say they have something over apple, but is it really functional? does it really sustain battery life and provide the same performance that iPhone does?
Apple will do it when the technology and programming is available that will maintain or improve the end users overall experience in their phone.
And for all the idiots who say "god whats taking so long!?", have you ever ACTUALLY wrote computer programs or created technology? lol its not actually THAT simple.. just because you want it for whatever mediocre reason, doesn't make it EMMEDIATELY doable. Trust me, Apple does what it does to make their products better, not to piss you off.
This was inevitable. More RAM and faster processors will make this a sweet function.
The 3GS was the first iPhone that had enough RAM to feasibly handle App Store backgrounding so I'd expect this to be a feature for the 3GS, too, but not earlier iPhones.
The only app I wish truly multi-tasked is pandora. After that, I would FAR prefer if I could choose for apps to "freeze", not run in the background or fully close. Thus, when I respond to a text or some other push notification, I can switch between the two apps without fully reloading either one. The app doesn't need to run concurrently, it just needs to be able to pick up where I left off almost instantly. The 3gs tries to achieve this with sheer speed, and with the sole exception of social networking, it works great. Twitter, facebook, buzz and chat clients are flitted between so frequently I end up draining my battery opening and closing them all so frequently.
As for this stagnation theory, that's preposterous. Apple has never wanted the majority of users, they want that large minority of users who will pay premiums for superior service. Thus, as years go by, apple's apps in the app store will slowly rise in price as they find ways to offer more functionality. Apple will continue to sell iPhones to the portion of the populous who will pay for all this, as they upgrade every couple of years, as well as continue to introduce new devices the same crowd will buy which are attached to the app store. Hence the ipad, and next up, the appletv most likely.
divine truth? puh-lease....the only thing you like to challenge is people's patience and sanity.
get off your holier-than-thou-quest for DIVINE truth high horse.... trying to be a revisionist on your history is an insult to thinking people...do you not realize people can go back and look at what you wrote?
I do not think anyone is confused on what your true purpose on this forum is...and its not for intelligent conversation...as you can not comprehend your own information..
Okay, I almost cannot believe that I am doing this but I'll comment here in defence of iGenie. With the statement 'an attempt to divine truth', he was using the word divine in the sense of 'divining the truth', as in water divining, not the spiritual sense. None of us, not even iGenie, would claim that the other divine applies here.
I would disagree. You have to hit/input something.
One touch of a button is not that taxing.
In order to close/minimize, the home button is ideal and universal in it's function.
Any other touch input to minimize a running app could very well interfere with the apps interface since on such a limited screen size, apps use the full screen.
The frustrating part of swapping the active/visible app is finding the the other
multitasking app. Swiping through pages to relocate it would be a pain.
If the meaning of the home button were expanded it could work as follows:
Touch the home button:
1) no BG apps currently running: kill current app and display last-selected home screen
-- touch home button again to display Search screen (show last active app as default)
2) Some BG apps running: Kill current app and display list or CoverFlow of active BG apps in LIFO order (including: "Summary Cover"; a "KillAll BG apps Cover" and a "Restart Last Active app Cover")
-- touch a "Cover" to activate/terminate selected BG app (dialog)
-- touch home button to return to last home screen
-- touch home button again to display Search screen (show last active app as default)
The Coverflow search for active apps would be minimal as only the active apps would be shown and they would be displayed in most-recently-used order.
Touching the "Summary Cover" would display the contents: a list of active apps and stats for each app.
The whole process would be similar to navigating iTunes albums and selecting songs to play.
If enterprise adoption is not the answer, then why is RIM pulling ahead of Apple?
They are not.
You would just like to think they are, so you cherry-pick the statistics that suit your fantasy. In fact, a story came out just this week about how many analysts are predicting that Apple will eclipse RIM's market share before the end of 2010.
The only app I wish truly multi-tasked is pandora. After that, I would FAR prefer if I could choose for apps to "freeze", not run in the background or fully close. Thus, when I respond to a text or some other push notification, I can switch between the two apps without fully reloading either one. The app doesn't need to run concurrently, it just needs to be able to pick up where I left off almost instantly. The 3gs tries to achieve this with sheer speed, and with the sole exception of social networking, it works great. Twitter, facebook, buzz and chat clients are flitted between so frequently I end up draining my battery opening and closing them all so frequently.
Pandora would be better off as a widget that you could call up and dismiss without ever leaving your application, like dashboard on the Mac.
Again the iPads blackbox mode for iPhone apps may get a lot more interesting come 4.0. It could be much like the Tabs page in iPad Safari, but with full size iPhone apps running simultaneouly. That could be an astounding feature. The foremost app that you've interacted with would have a blue border in place of the dark gray, and touching the 2x button would zoom into that App.
you are trying to compare MARKET SHARE with ECONOMIC GROWTH...they are not the same....do you COMPREHEND THAT?
so quit grasping at straws strawman and trying to come off intellectual when you can not clearly comprehend definitions you are trying to use to defend your poor arguments
You would be opening denying reality if you tried to argue APPLE has not had 1% of economic growth...
No, I am comparing apples lack of progress in market share with the meaning of stagnation.
Apple's "economic growth" is a totally different subject than their failure to grow market share.
Tell me how I miscomprehend the definition of stagnation.
By playing word games? What does the 'stagnation' of the iphone marketshare have to do with the topic at hand, other than to afford you some measure of amusement?
Having a dictionary firmly planted in your posterior is a poor way of inciting intellectual discussion. All it does is make you seem pedantic.
The stagnation of the iPhone market share and the failure to update the OS might be linked, given that other OS's are surging in popularity. I don't know the answer. Others here have a host of explanations as to why Apple is, for example, falling further behind RIM.
I asked what the heck is taking so long in catching up to the competition vis a vis OS capabilities, and pointed out that ground is being lost in the meantime.
Would you feel even better if Apple delayed improvements to iOS for two years? Then you'd have the best for even longer.
I've addressed this point before... This is exactly how Apple separates themselves from the competition... For two years people said that without cut/copy/paste the iPhone was dead....in OS3 they implemented it better than any other smart phone. They do the R&D until they figure out the best solution. I'm sure multi-tasking will be done in the same manner....
So….i"Genius" you still haven’t answered OUR question…Why do you troll? Did you get duped into buying a Droid and this is how you vent all of your anger?
Apple sucks!! Apple sucks!!! There, there iGenius…. I’m sure by 2011 Google should upgrade your phone!
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Yes. Hence my comment.
Do we have any objective information as to why the iPhone is falling further and further behind the Blackberry?
The opinions presented so far include:
The iOS is technically inferior.
Apple made a huge mistake in marketing only one phone.
Apple made a huge mistake in using only one carrier.
Apple's product refresh cycles are too long.
Personally, I don't really know why the iPhone growth has vanished, or whether this trend will reverse when they finally catch up to the competitors with the new iOS. I'll remain optimistic about the iOS in the meantime.
It's interesting that in some of your posts you're trying to prove that the graph is not US only, but global. Then in other posts, you are talking about Apple using only one carrier (which is a US situation). While in other countries iPhone is sold at multiple carriers in one country.
No. I like to make folks think different. I like to challenge them to do so, in an attempt to divine truth.
The argument is an efficient means to an end, and not the goal. The goal is to see what new ideas can be discovered.
But I will freely admit that I chortle when folks dispute the meanings of words, rather than admitting the truth of an underlying idea. That is something I've not encountered elsewhere.
There are many pleasures in this forum.
divine truth? puh-lease....the only thing you like to challenge is people's patience and sanity.
get off your holier-than-thou-quest for DIVINE truth high horse.... trying to be a revisionist on your history is an insult to thinking people...do you not realize people can go back and look at what you wrote?
I do not think anyone is confused on what your true purpose on this forum is...and its not for intelligent conversation...as you can not comprehend your own information..
Apple will do it when the technology and programming is available that will maintain or improve the end users overall experience in their phone.
And for all the idiots who say "god whats taking so long!?", have you ever ACTUALLY wrote computer programs or created technology? lol its not actually THAT simple.. just because you want it for whatever mediocre reason, doesn't make it EMMEDIATELY doable. Trust me, Apple does what it does to make their products better, not to piss you off.
Why not three clicks?! I have double press Home to bring up the camera
We will need gestures and/or hot corners at some point.
This was inevitable. More RAM and faster processors will make this a sweet function.
The 3GS was the first iPhone that had enough RAM to feasibly handle App Store backgrounding so I'd expect this to be a feature for the 3GS, too, but not earlier iPhones.
...and yet another thread ruined by Trolls-Я-Us. Way to go iGenius, I'm sure you'll get a pay bonus from your employer for today's work.
Well that may be true but this is about the best software update they could have given me. Its a good day in AppleLand
If there's anyone left who truly believes the Flash controversy isn't a blatant war between Apple and Adobe, WAKE UP.
-Clive
As for this stagnation theory, that's preposterous. Apple has never wanted the majority of users, they want that large minority of users who will pay premiums for superior service. Thus, as years go by, apple's apps in the app store will slowly rise in price as they find ways to offer more functionality. Apple will continue to sell iPhones to the portion of the populous who will pay for all this, as they upgrade every couple of years, as well as continue to introduce new devices the same crowd will buy which are attached to the app store. Hence the ipad, and next up, the appletv most likely.
divine truth? puh-lease....the only thing you like to challenge is people's patience and sanity.
get off your holier-than-thou-quest for DIVINE truth high horse.... trying to be a revisionist on your history is an insult to thinking people...do you not realize people can go back and look at what you wrote?
I do not think anyone is confused on what your true purpose on this forum is...and its not for intelligent conversation...as you can not comprehend your own information..
Okay, I almost cannot believe that I am doing this but I'll comment here in defence of iGenie. With the statement 'an attempt to divine truth', he was using the word divine in the sense of 'divining the truth', as in water divining, not the spiritual sense. None of us, not even iGenie, would claim that the other divine applies here.
(He's still on my ignore list though!)
I would disagree. You have to hit/input something.
One touch of a button is not that taxing.
In order to close/minimize, the home button is ideal and universal in it's function.
Any other touch input to minimize a running app could very well interfere with the apps interface since on such a limited screen size, apps use the full screen.
The frustrating part of swapping the active/visible app is finding the the other
multitasking app. Swiping through pages to relocate it would be a pain.
If the meaning of the home button were expanded it could work as follows:
Touch the home button:
1) no BG apps currently running: kill current app and display last-selected home screen
-- touch home button again to display Search screen (show last active app as default)
2) Some BG apps running: Kill current app and display list or CoverFlow of active BG apps in LIFO order (including: "Summary Cover"; a "KillAll BG apps Cover" and a "Restart Last Active app Cover")
-- touch a "Cover" to activate/terminate selected BG app (dialog)
-- touch home button to return to last home screen
-- touch home button again to display Search screen (show last active app as default)
The Coverflow search for active apps would be minimal as only the active apps would be shown and they would be displayed in most-recently-used order.
Touching the "Summary Cover" would display the contents: a list of active apps and stats for each app.
The whole process would be similar to navigating iTunes albums and selecting songs to play.
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If enterprise adoption is not the answer, then why is RIM pulling ahead of Apple?
They are not.
You would just like to think they are, so you cherry-pick the statistics that suit your fantasy. In fact, a story came out just this week about how many analysts are predicting that Apple will eclipse RIM's market share before the end of 2010.
The only app I wish truly multi-tasked is pandora. After that, I would FAR prefer if I could choose for apps to "freeze", not run in the background or fully close. Thus, when I respond to a text or some other push notification, I can switch between the two apps without fully reloading either one. The app doesn't need to run concurrently, it just needs to be able to pick up where I left off almost instantly. The 3gs tries to achieve this with sheer speed, and with the sole exception of social networking, it works great. Twitter, facebook, buzz and chat clients are flitted between so frequently I end up draining my battery opening and closing them all so frequently.
Pandora would be better off as a widget that you could call up and dismiss without ever leaving your application, like dashboard on the Mac.
using your own statements....
you are trying to compare MARKET SHARE with ECONOMIC GROWTH...they are not the same....do you COMPREHEND THAT?
so quit grasping at straws strawman and trying to come off intellectual when you can not clearly comprehend definitions you are trying to use to defend your poor arguments
You would be opening denying reality if you tried to argue APPLE has not had 1% of economic growth...
No, I am comparing apples lack of progress in market share with the meaning of stagnation.
Apple's "economic growth" is a totally different subject than their failure to grow market share.
Tell me how I miscomprehend the definition of stagnation.
For sh*ts sake people...stop quoting iGenius...puhleeeeeze
I second this motion
By playing word games? What does the 'stagnation' of the iphone marketshare have to do with the topic at hand, other than to afford you some measure of amusement?
Having a dictionary firmly planted in your posterior is a poor way of inciting intellectual discussion. All it does is make you seem pedantic.
The stagnation of the iPhone market share and the failure to update the OS might be linked, given that other OS's are surging in popularity. I don't know the answer. Others here have a host of explanations as to why Apple is, for example, falling further behind RIM.
I asked what the heck is taking so long in catching up to the competition vis a vis OS capabilities, and pointed out that ground is being lost in the meantime.
Would you feel even better if Apple delayed improvements to iOS for two years? Then you'd have the best for even longer.
I've addressed this point before... This is exactly how Apple separates themselves from the competition... For two years people said that without cut/copy/paste the iPhone was dead....in OS3 they implemented it better than any other smart phone. They do the R&D until they figure out the best solution. I'm sure multi-tasking will be done in the same manner....
So….i"Genius" you still haven’t answered OUR question…Why do you troll? Did you get duped into buying a Droid and this is how you vent all of your anger?
Apple sucks!! Apple sucks!!!
That sounds like a confession to me. I've reported you for trolling I suggest other do the same. Lets get the thread back on topic.
I've refrained from reporting your insults.
Key words "1% per year" Do you notice the per year?
Of course. But that is just an example of the word's usage, and is not a definition.