THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO MAKE A CONSUMER FRIENDLY DEVICE.
So last night when I got home around 6ish I had 50% battery left and normally it's around 60%-70%. This is with those 10 apps running in the background, each doing a separate task at the same time.
So 20% is actually a bit more than a minor impact, but definitely not a major one.
Considering you seem to come here to do nothing but bitch and complain, I'd say you should get whatever shuts you up.
Well said! (but I don't think he would ever find something - he reminds me of the ignorant ppl who say, we can just dust off apollo and go to Mars that way.....sheeshe....I really dislike idiots...)
So last night when I got home around 6ish I had 50% battery left and normally it's around 60%-70%. This is with those 10 apps running in the background, each doing a separate task at the same time.
So 20% is actually a bit more than a minor impact, but definitely not a major one.
So you used an additional 10-20% with just 10 apps. I stated I use at least 20, but when i look at my pages I probably used more like 35 or 40 apps yesterday, some are ones I read about and installed to try once. Having these still running in the background makes no sense and it would make the issue considerably worse.
I've had a jailbroken and unlocked iPhone since it was possible. I've used Backgrounder. I know what the pros and cons are, and I don't think an unregulated, uncontrolled multitasking free-for-all Ã* la Android is an intelligent method, nor one that should ever be on an iDevice. There are better ways to do it.
Nasty personal attacks will be reported. I come here because this forum presents very interesting ideas.
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I'm really more worried about battery life than anything. Don't get me wrong, multitasking will be nice (my biggest want is better handling of gmail), but I already can't get a full day on one charge.
Precisely....My first thought when I read the article. My iphone barely makes it through the day with an average total talk time of about 90 mins, coupled with checking email couple times a day.
All those tasks 'running in the background' are really going to eat into battery life. In other OSs, the amount is 10-25%, depending on what is running.
Add to that the heat generated, plus periodic use of the radio/bt, and it will be noticable if they arn't smart about 'settng the defaults' to minimize this.....
who cares about multitasking? 90% of iPhone users do not need to run multiple apps at once. They're very happy how the iPhone works. This whole Multitasking shit is a non-existing problem bothering only 10% iPhone users who think it's their replacement for their Mac. Well, it is not meant to be a replacement for your personal computer!
who cares about multitasking? 90% of iPhone users do not need to run multiple apps at once. They're very happy how the iPhone works. This whole Multitasking shit is a non-existing problem bothering only 10% iPhone users who think it's their replacement for their Mac. Well, it is not meant to be a replacement for your personal computer!
Actually, at the rate personal devices are growing in power, I wouldn't be surprised if one day they do replace the laptop. I think one user here put out the idea that you would just dock the smartphone like you do laptops these days. The feed goes straight into a bigger monitor and keyboard/mouse for faster input at the desk.
We're used to it at the desktop OS level, so to make this future happen, then multitasking will need to be implemented on whatever OS the device is running. But you are in a way correct, as multitasking currently is a debatable feature. In a way, it's subjective, as everyone uses their phone in a different way.
Ask a member of the public what multi-tasking is, and they mean the ability to deal with multiple activities at once. Anwering the phone while filling the dishwasher.
Ask a computer scientist about multi-tasking and they will describe a method where the single CPU timeshares between multiple computer programs. This avoids waste by making sure the CPU is always doing something productive. In terms of a phone, the foreground app would be running while some other apps are sharing the CPU- executing in the background.
I am inclined to think Apple is going to offer the first kind of multi-tasking. And not so much the second.
C.
You apparently don't know it, but number two is exactly what happens now. The iPhone OS, just like its big brother, is a fully pre-emptive multitasking multithreaded OS. Haven't you ever bothered to read anything about ti?
Apple deliberately prevents most apps in the app store from doing this. The OS is quite capable of it, and is doing it all the time. That means that it's number one that Apple doesn't yet allow—EXCEPT for bundled applications.
That's pretty silly. The only way to ensure full security is to turn the phone off completely.
You can get a reasonable amount of security without resorting to extraordinary measures.
Do you worry about security on your desktop, due to the reason that it can multitask?
Security on all desktop OSes is poor. Look at all of MS's problems over the years because they've ignored security for the first decade and a half. Some of MS's "features" i.e. lockins to keep you within the Windows OS, that cause security breaks that can't be solved.
Apple has it's share of problems as well, but not nearly as many.
Some phone OSes are considered to be very security free, such as Win Mobile and the old Palm OS. Android is also in that category, with the new Palm WebOS being not far behind. RIM's is the best.
Very impressive. Amazing even. Likely their decision to sell im more countries was a large contributing factor.
Did you notice that Android penetration was up almost 800% in the same time period?
Starting from almost nothing, they went up 800%.. That's from the very beginning. You might as well say that iPhone sales are up 10,000% if you use the same definition.
So what's the big deal? My Windows Phone (6.5) already does that. The .NET apps I write can run while I am talking on the phone, running the FaceBook app, running Google Maps, browsing the web, etc.
The iPhone is a great device and has certainly motivated other phone OS makers to make better products. But just now getting multitasking support? My friends with iPhones love them, but are a bit envious that I can run Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, SQL Server, and so easily write apps for my phone.
And WinMobile has been SO successful doing that, that it's now officially been renamed Win Mobile Classic in preparation to its never again being updated after the new Win Phone 7 Series comes out, which is a much simpler OS which will not allow much of what Win Mobile does.
Even MS has finally understood that people don't want that kind of mess.
So you used an additional 10-20% with just 10 apps. I stated I use at least 20, but when i look at my pages I probably used more like 35 or 40 apps yesterday, some are ones I read about and installed to try once. Having these still running in the background makes no sense and it would make the issue considerably worse.
I've had a jailbroken and unlocked iPhone since it was possible. I've used Backgrounder. I know what the pros and cons are, and I don't think an unregulated, uncontrolled multitasking free-for-all Ã* la Android is an intelligent method, nor one that should ever be on an iDevice. There are better ways to do it.
Why would you allow every single app you run to continue to run in the background? What sense does that make?
I rarely leave apps running in the background, and my little test of pushing my phone's multitasking to it's edge for an entire day just shows it's not as impeding on battery life and performance as people make it out to be. It was a little worse than I said it would be, but it definitely isn't as bad as you make it sound.
Nobody would ever need to run 30 apps in the background. You keep making it sound as if multitasking will be something enormous. It's like somebody saying the iphone would never have copy and paste because copying 10GB files to a clipboard just isn't for a phone.
Multi-tasking isn't a free-for-all with limitless amounts of ability. It does have it's limits, and enforcing those limits are easy and make sense.
BTW, by default WM closes apps automatically, but there are apps out there that prevent this, and instead allow the user to control such a thing.
We just have to agree to disagree. I think Apple has shown enough brilliance that they can incorporate some level of multitasking on the iphone to appease those requesting it, and also not ruin the overall experience of the phone for those who don't need it.
Why would you allow every single app you run to continue to run in the background? What sense does that make?
It doesn't make any sense, which is why the backgrounding system of other mobile platforms is faulty and why Apple will introduce an intelligent system when it's ready.
What we, on this forum, know of how systems work isn't common knowledge. We should not expect that everyone will know that their crossword puzzle app will auto-save their unfinished puzzle so it need not run in the background or that opening an app will keep it running in the background until you install and access a Task Manager app so you delete processes at will. It needs to just work. The Phone didn't make the smartphone market popular for the average person by complicating basic tasks, quite the opposite.
iGenius has been given a well needed break for the obsequious nature of his/her/its posts. Said break will be extended if the behaviour continues.
Many thanks,
Graham
I will be frank as much as I do not agree with iGenius's behaviour banning him for not using foul language,personal attacks or anything that is normally bannable is to me not justifable in my mind
The word “obsequious” is used to describe someone who is almost pathetically eager to follow, obey, and serve. It is often used in a pejorative way, suggesting that someone has rather slavish tendencies which are obnoxious and sometimes embarrassing. Most people make an effort to avoid being obsequious, finding ways to express compliance which are more subtle and less intense than obsequiousness, although in some cultures this servile attitude is considered socially acceptable.
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THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO MAKE A CONSUMER FRIENDLY DEVICE.
So last night when I got home around 6ish I had 50% battery left and normally it's around 60%-70%. This is with those 10 apps running in the background, each doing a separate task at the same time.
So 20% is actually a bit more than a minor impact, but definitely not a major one.
Considering you seem to come here to do nothing but bitch and complain, I'd say you should get whatever shuts you up.
Well said! (but I don't think he would ever find something - he reminds me of the ignorant ppl who say, we can just dust off apollo and go to Mars that way.....sheeshe....I really dislike idiots...)
So last night when I got home around 6ish I had 50% battery left and normally it's around 60%-70%. This is with those 10 apps running in the background, each doing a separate task at the same time.
So 20% is actually a bit more than a minor impact, but definitely not a major one.
So you used an additional 10-20% with just 10 apps. I stated I use at least 20, but when i look at my pages I probably used more like 35 or 40 apps yesterday, some are ones I read about and installed to try once. Having these still running in the background makes no sense and it would make the issue considerably worse.
I've had a jailbroken and unlocked iPhone since it was possible. I've used Backgrounder. I know what the pros and cons are, and I don't think an unregulated, uncontrolled multitasking free-for-all Ã* la Android is an intelligent method, nor one that should ever be on an iDevice. There are better ways to do it.
Nasty personal attacks will be reported. I come here because this forum presents very interesting ideas.
Hmmm too bad you don't.....
Nasty personal attacks will be reported. I come here because this forum presents very interesting ideas.
I'm really more worried about battery life than anything. Don't get me wrong, multitasking will be nice (my biggest want is better handling of gmail), but I already can't get a full day on one charge.
Precisely....My first thought when I read the article. My iphone barely makes it through the day with an average total talk time of about 90 mins, coupled with checking email couple times a day.
All those tasks 'running in the background' are really going to eat into battery life. In other OSs, the amount is 10-25%, depending on what is running.
Add to that the heat generated, plus periodic use of the radio/bt, and it will be noticable if they arn't smart about 'settng the defaults' to minimize this.....
Very impressive. Amazing even. Likely their decision to sell im more countries was a large contributing factor.
Did you notice that Android penetration was up almost 800% in the same time period?
that android is down from apple selling at multiple phones on multiple carriers in the u.s. and they are -500% from apple..
see manipulating numbers is fun..
who cares about multitasking? 90% of iPhone users do not need to run multiple apps at once. They're very happy how the iPhone works. This whole Multitasking shit is a non-existing problem bothering only 10% iPhone users who think it's their replacement for their Mac. Well, it is not meant to be a replacement for your personal computer!
Actually, at the rate personal devices are growing in power, I wouldn't be surprised if one day they do replace the laptop. I think one user here put out the idea that you would just dock the smartphone like you do laptops these days. The feed goes straight into a bigger monitor and keyboard/mouse for faster input at the desk.
We're used to it at the desktop OS level, so to make this future happen, then multitasking will need to be implemented on whatever OS the device is running. But you are in a way correct, as multitasking currently is a debatable feature. In a way, it's subjective, as everyone uses their phone in a different way.
Theres multi-tasking and there's multi-tasking.
Ask a member of the public what multi-tasking is, and they mean the ability to deal with multiple activities at once. Anwering the phone while filling the dishwasher.
Ask a computer scientist about multi-tasking and they will describe a method where the single CPU timeshares between multiple computer programs. This avoids waste by making sure the CPU is always doing something productive. In terms of a phone, the foreground app would be running while some other apps are sharing the CPU- executing in the background.
I am inclined to think Apple is going to offer the first kind of multi-tasking. And not so much the second.
C.
You apparently don't know it, but number two is exactly what happens now. The iPhone OS, just like its big brother, is a fully pre-emptive multitasking multithreaded OS. Haven't you ever bothered to read anything about ti?
Apple deliberately prevents most apps in the app store from doing this. The OS is quite capable of it, and is doing it all the time. That means that it's number one that Apple doesn't yet allow—EXCEPT for bundled applications.
That's pretty silly. The only way to ensure full security is to turn the phone off completely.
You can get a reasonable amount of security without resorting to extraordinary measures.
Do you worry about security on your desktop, due to the reason that it can multitask?
Security on all desktop OSes is poor. Look at all of MS's problems over the years because they've ignored security for the first decade and a half. Some of MS's "features" i.e. lockins to keep you within the Windows OS, that cause security breaks that can't be solved.
Apple has it's share of problems as well, but not nearly as many.
Some phone OSes are considered to be very security free, such as Win Mobile and the old Palm OS. Android is also in that category, with the new Palm WebOS being not far behind. RIM's is the best.
Very impressive. Amazing even. Likely their decision to sell im more countries was a large contributing factor.
Did you notice that Android penetration was up almost 800% in the same time period?
Starting from almost nothing, they went up 800%.. That's from the very beginning. You might as well say that iPhone sales are up 10,000% if you use the same definition.
So what's the big deal? My Windows Phone (6.5) already does that. The .NET apps I write can run while I am talking on the phone, running the FaceBook app, running Google Maps, browsing the web, etc.
The iPhone is a great device and has certainly motivated other phone OS makers to make better products. But just now getting multitasking support? My friends with iPhones love them, but are a bit envious that I can run Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, SQL Server, and so easily write apps for my phone.
And WinMobile has been SO successful doing that, that it's now officially been renamed Win Mobile Classic in preparation to its never again being updated after the new Win Phone 7 Series comes out, which is a much simpler OS which will not allow much of what Win Mobile does.
Even MS has finally understood that people don't want that kind of mess.
Many thanks,
Graham
iGenius has been given a well needed break for the obsequious nature of his/her/its posts. Said break will be extended if the behaviour continues.
Many thanks,
Graham
THANK YOU
iGenius has been given a well needed break for the obsequious nature of his/her/its posts. Said break will be extended if the behaviour continues.
Many thanks,
Graham
thank you graham. MUCH appreciated!
See you all after WWDC
So you used an additional 10-20% with just 10 apps. I stated I use at least 20, but when i look at my pages I probably used more like 35 or 40 apps yesterday, some are ones I read about and installed to try once. Having these still running in the background makes no sense and it would make the issue considerably worse.
I've had a jailbroken and unlocked iPhone since it was possible. I've used Backgrounder. I know what the pros and cons are, and I don't think an unregulated, uncontrolled multitasking free-for-all Ã* la Android is an intelligent method, nor one that should ever be on an iDevice. There are better ways to do it.
Why would you allow every single app you run to continue to run in the background? What sense does that make?
I rarely leave apps running in the background, and my little test of pushing my phone's multitasking to it's edge for an entire day just shows it's not as impeding on battery life and performance as people make it out to be. It was a little worse than I said it would be, but it definitely isn't as bad as you make it sound.
Nobody would ever need to run 30 apps in the background. You keep making it sound as if multitasking will be something enormous. It's like somebody saying the iphone would never have copy and paste because copying 10GB files to a clipboard just isn't for a phone.
Multi-tasking isn't a free-for-all with limitless amounts of ability. It does have it's limits, and enforcing those limits are easy and make sense.
BTW, by default WM closes apps automatically, but there are apps out there that prevent this, and instead allow the user to control such a thing.
We just have to agree to disagree. I think Apple has shown enough brilliance that they can incorporate some level of multitasking on the iphone to appease those requesting it, and also not ruin the overall experience of the phone for those who don't need it.
iGenius has been given a well needed break for the obsequious nature of his/her/its posts. Said break will be extended if the behaviour continues.
Many thanks,
Graham
Ahh.... iGenius... obsequious... PosterBoy/Girl/It
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Why would you allow every single app you run to continue to run in the background? What sense does that make?
It doesn't make any sense, which is why the backgrounding system of other mobile platforms is faulty and why Apple will introduce an intelligent system when it's ready.
What we, on this forum, know of how systems work isn't common knowledge. We should not expect that everyone will know that their crossword puzzle app will auto-save their unfinished puzzle so it need not run in the background or that opening an app will keep it running in the background until you install and access a Task Manager app so you delete processes at will. It needs to just work. The Phone didn't make the smartphone market popular for the average person by complicating basic tasks, quite the opposite.
iGenius has been given a well needed break for the obsequious nature of his/her/its posts. Said break will be extended if the behaviour continues.
Many thanks,
Graham
I will be frank as much as I do not agree with iGenius's behaviour banning him for not using foul language,personal attacks or anything that is normally bannable is to me not justifable in my mind
The word “obsequious” is used to describe someone who is almost pathetically eager to follow, obey, and serve. It is often used in a pejorative way, suggesting that someone has rather slavish tendencies which are obnoxious and sometimes embarrassing. Most people make an effort to avoid being obsequious, finding ways to express compliance which are more subtle and less intense than obsequiousness, although in some cultures this servile attitude is considered socially acceptable.
A warning could have been given.
enough said