I am curious to see how Apple tackles this multitasking issue.
As the iPhone runs now, I like it because of the security it provides. Take that away and I'm a little more worried about the lack of security. I wonder if there will be a way to turn off the multitasking feature.
That's pretty silly. The only way to ensure full security is to turn the phone off completely.
You can get a reasonable amount of security without resorting to extraordinary measures.
Do you worry about security on your desktop, due to the reason that it can multitask?
Ask a member of the public what multi-tasking is, and they mean the ability to deal with multiple activities at once. Anwering the phone while filling the dishwasher.
Ask a computer scientist about multi-tasking and they will describe a method where the single CPU timeshares between multiple computer programs. This avoids waste by making sure the CPU is always doing something productive. In terms of a phone, the foreground app would be running while some other apps are sharing the CPU- executing in the background.
I am inclined to think Apple is going to offer the first kind of multi-tasking. And not so much the second.
Multi-tasking is when someone can listen to Pandora, with an active IM while playing a game. And until Apple adds the ability to do this they haven'd added multi-tasking.
Just ask Prince what multi-tasking is and why the iPhone doesn't have it and he'll either give you a lame 10,000 word answer or tell you the iPhone does have multi-tasking.
I happen to like notifications, but the damn developers--like Loren of Tweetie won't add them.
iPhone IS the best platform[/B]? - In Your Humble Opinion
However I do agree with you on another point, there is little wrong with the Pre,
Palm have a good platform,
they just don't happen to have our mate Steve at the helm - do YOU agree?
Naw. despite having lots of software, there are significant disadvantages. As of now, I have an iPhone, given that I'm locked in to ATT. Of their offerings, the iPhone is best for me.
But I'm waiting to see what is offered by ATT in the coming months. So far, they've introduced the Moto Backflip, which does not interest me.
The Dell Mini5 looks interesting, but I'm not sure if it will fit the bill.
I'm hoping that they start selling the Nexus One clone with multitouch - I forget the name.
And the raw number of software titles is less important than the avialability of software that is specifically what the user prefers.
I don't know if Steve is in charge of PR and marketing. But Apple excels in both those areas.
So would you mind linking to an established dictionary definition of multitasking which verifies the one you just made up?
Somehow I don't think Pandora has anything whatsoever to do with the accepted definition of multitasking.
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Multi-tasking is when someone can listen to Pandora, with an active IM while playing a game. And until Apple adds the ability to do this they haven'd added multi-tasking.
Just ask Prince what multi-tasking is and why the iPhone doesn't have it and he'll either give you a lame 10,000 word answer or tell you the iPhone does have multi-tasking.
I happen to like notifications, but the damn developers--like Loren of Tweetie won't add them.
So would you mind linking to an established dictionary definition of multitasking which verifies the one you just made up?
Somehow I don't think Pandora has anything whatsoever to do with the accepted definition of multitasking.
Really? This seems a little persnickety. He was explaining a result of multitasking, not a computer science or dictionary definition. Having preemptive or cooperative multitasking doesn't mean much if the app you want to use isn't allowed to take advantage of it.
The people who want "view all running apps" to be a gesture are missing one very simple thing, a lot of third party apps have gestures.
I don't understand why I would want to see all running apps? What is the purpose? The technical problem of managing apps and their multi-tasking should be completely behind the scenes and not even known to the user.
Naw. despite having lots of software, there are significant disadvantages. As of now, I have an iPhone, given that I'm locked in to ATT. Of their offerings, the iPhone is best for me.
But I'm waiting to see what is offered by ATT in the coming months. So far, they've introduced the Moto Backflip, which does not interest me.
The Dell Mini5 looks interesting, but I'm not sure if it will fit the bill.
I'm hoping that they start selling the Nexus One clone with multitouch - I forget the name.
And the raw number of software titles is less important than the avialability of software that is specifically what the user prefers.
I don't know if Steve is in charge of PR and marketing. But Apple excels in both those areas.
dell mini 5 - love the idea, wanted one till i saw rumours about price, then rumours about them F****** with Android. plus its Dell and lately i haven't been happy with the lack of quality, pricing and crappy designs.
Nexus one clone - i have had my nexus one for 2 days now. switched from att to tmobile. you are in for a rude awakening if you think it will best the iphone. battery life is not good i am going to have to see what i can do to shave some power hogs off of it. tmobile 3g has been awful. now maybe its due to SXSW going on which is also kicking att butt too with all these people gathered together with gadgets. i PRAY this is why my tmobile 3g is so spotty...
voice apps on nexus one - laughable so far...i get about 1 in 3 to actually be close to what i say or else the app fails completely.
don't get me wrong, i like some aspects of this phone but i also like and use kubuntu. most people wouldn't like using kubuntu.
basically i have found out that the grass is not greener....
if you want to wrestle with your device then ditch apple and go android.
I don't understand why I would want to see all running apps? What is the purpose? The technical problem of managing apps and their multi-tasking should be completely behind the scenes and not even known to the user.
The reason is similar to why you have stuff like a temperature gauge on your car's dashboard. Generally, more information is more useful than less information.
Seeing which apps are running will help you to decide what to do in certain situations.
dell mini 5 - love the idea, wanted one till i saw rumours about price, then rumours about them F****** with Android. plus its Dell and lately i haven't been happy with the lack of quality, pricing and crappy designs.
Nexus one clone - i have had my nexus one for 2 days now. switched from att to tmobile. you are in for a rude awakening if you think it will best the iphone. battery life is not good i am going to have to see what i can do to shave some power hogs off of it. tmobile 3g has been awful. now maybe its due to SXSW going on which is also kicking att butt too with all these people gathered together with gadgets. i PRAY this is why my tmobile 3g is so spotty...
voice apps on nexus one - laughable so far...i get about 1 in 3 to actually be close to what i say or else the app fails completely.
don't get me wrong, i like some aspects of this phone but i also like and use kubuntu. most people wouldn't like using kubuntu.
basically i have found out that the grass is not greener....
if you want to wrestle with your device then ditch apple and go android.
So what's the big deal? My Windows Phone (6.5) already does that. The .NET apps I write can run while I am talking on the phone, running the FaceBook app, running Google Maps, browsing the web, etc.
The iPhone is a great device and has certainly motivated other phone OS makers to make better products. But just now getting multitasking support? My friends with iPhones love them, but are a bit envious that I can run Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, SQL Server, and so easily write apps for my phone.
So what's the big deal? My Windows Phone (6.5) already does that. The .NET apps I write can run while I am talking on the phone, running the FaceBook app, running Google Maps, browsing the web, etc.
The iPhone is a great device and has certainly motivated other phone OS makers to make better products. But just now getting multitasking support? My friends with iPhones love them, but are a bit envious that I can run Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, SQL Server, and so easily write apps for my phone.
The Enquirer's headline is something like "Apple Finally Adds Basic Functionality to iPhone".
The reason is similar to why you have stuff like a temperature gauge on your car's dashboard. Generally, more information is more useful than less information.
Seeing which apps are running will help you to decide what to do in certain situations.
Ah, no thanks. I'd rather just use my apps. I don't want to have to decide which apps to "kill". That's a technical problem and should be handled by either the OS or the developers. I'll admit that I'm not a big multi-tasker with my phone. I use it for something, then go on to something else, but whether an app closes or suspends or whatever, when I hit the Home button, doesn't matter much to me and I don't want to have to suddenly be managing the memory or CPU utilization on my phone.
Ah, no thanks. I'd rather just use my apps. I don't want to have to decide which apps to "kill". That's a technical problem and should be handled by either the OS or the developers. I'll admit that I'm not a big multi-tasker with my phone. I use it for something, then go on to something else, but whether an app closes or suspends or whatever, when I hit the Home button, doesn't matter much to me and I don't want to have to suddenly be managing the memory or CPU utilization on my phone.
That makes sense. What would be optimal would be to allow sophisticated users to have increased funtionality, while the rest can simply ignore it with relative impunity.
Kind of like automatic transmissions that can be used like manual transmissions, if, as and when it is advantageous.
Those who know what they are doing are able to get better performance, and the rest can ignore it, and use overdrive when pulling a trailer.
This fits in well with "make things as simple as possible, but no simpler".
But lopping off functionality as a technique to make a device easier to use is not something I like.
But lopping off functionality as a technique to make a device easier to use is not something I like.
What functionality has been lopped off? Are you looking for an app to be created that lets you monitor all that kind of stuff on a phone? Like Activity Monitor on the Mac?
What the heck is taking them so long? In the meantime, Android is surging in popularity and the iOS is stagnating.
Apparently you have no clue about how difficult it is to produce a good multitasking environment that is secure. The first time your phone would lock up during a phone call due to a priority inversion, you would be screaming "what a POS"....
Maybe you should write your own MTOS and offer to sell it to them?
Win CE for phones IS pretty bad, even though they 'took their time' before releasing it.
Android is a shell, and is beginning to exhibit cracks....
Provide me something that works reliably, and does what it is suppose to well, and I won't complain. I am not that bored that I need to be watching/playing/doodling/surfing/ 5 things at once on a screen 2.5"x3"....
Its a game of leapfrog....sometimes you gotta plan your next jump very carefully and make sure you execute it well.
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I am curious to see how Apple tackles this multitasking issue.
As the iPhone runs now, I like it because of the security it provides. Take that away and I'm a little more worried about the lack of security. I wonder if there will be a way to turn off the multitasking feature.
That's pretty silly. The only way to ensure full security is to turn the phone off completely.
You can get a reasonable amount of security without resorting to extraordinary measures.
Do you worry about security on your desktop, due to the reason that it can multitask?
Theres multi-tasking and there's multi-tasking.
Ask a member of the public what multi-tasking is, and they mean the ability to deal with multiple activities at once. Anwering the phone while filling the dishwasher.
Ask a computer scientist about multi-tasking and they will describe a method where the single CPU timeshares between multiple computer programs. This avoids waste by making sure the CPU is always doing something productive. In terms of a phone, the foreground app would be running while some other apps are sharing the CPU- executing in the background.
I am inclined to think Apple is going to offer the first kind of multi-tasking. And not so much the second.
C.
Are you telling me it's going to do my dishes?
Pretty impressive, huh?
That's pretty silly. The only way to ensure full security is to turn the phone off completely.
You can get a reasonable amount of security without resorting to extraordinary measures.
Do you worry about security on your desktop, due to the reason that it can multitask?
Just ask Prince what multi-tasking is and why the iPhone doesn't have it and he'll either give you a lame 10,000 word answer or tell you the iPhone does have multi-tasking.
I happen to like notifications, but the damn developers--like Loren of Tweetie won't add them.
So the [B
iPhone IS the best platform[/B]? - In Your Humble Opinion
However I do agree with you on another point, there is little wrong with the Pre,
Palm have a good platform,
they just don't happen to have our mate Steve at the helm - do YOU agree?
Naw. despite having lots of software, there are significant disadvantages. As of now, I have an iPhone, given that I'm locked in to ATT. Of their offerings, the iPhone is best for me.
But I'm waiting to see what is offered by ATT in the coming months. So far, they've introduced the Moto Backflip, which does not interest me.
The Dell Mini5 looks interesting, but I'm not sure if it will fit the bill.
I'm hoping that they start selling the Nexus One clone with multitouch - I forget the name.
And the raw number of software titles is less important than the avialability of software that is specifically what the user prefers.
I don't know if Steve is in charge of PR and marketing. But Apple excels in both those areas.
Somehow I don't think Pandora has anything whatsoever to do with the accepted definition of multitasking.
Multi-tasking is when someone can listen to Pandora, with an active IM while playing a game. And until Apple adds the ability to do this they haven'd added multi-tasking.
Just ask Prince what multi-tasking is and why the iPhone doesn't have it and he'll either give you a lame 10,000 word answer or tell you the iPhone does have multi-tasking.
I happen to like notifications, but the damn developers--like Loren of Tweetie won't add them.
So would you mind linking to an established dictionary definition of multitasking which verifies the one you just made up?
Somehow I don't think Pandora has anything whatsoever to do with the accepted definition of multitasking.
Really? This seems a little persnickety. He was explaining a result of multitasking, not a computer science or dictionary definition. Having preemptive or cooperative multitasking doesn't mean much if the app you want to use isn't allowed to take advantage of it.
The people who want "view all running apps" to be a gesture are missing one very simple thing, a lot of third party apps have gestures.
I don't understand why I would want to see all running apps? What is the purpose? The technical problem of managing apps and their multi-tasking should be completely behind the scenes and not even known to the user.
Naw. despite having lots of software, there are significant disadvantages. As of now, I have an iPhone, given that I'm locked in to ATT. Of their offerings, the iPhone is best for me.
But I'm waiting to see what is offered by ATT in the coming months. So far, they've introduced the Moto Backflip, which does not interest me.
The Dell Mini5 looks interesting, but I'm not sure if it will fit the bill.
I'm hoping that they start selling the Nexus One clone with multitouch - I forget the name.
And the raw number of software titles is less important than the avialability of software that is specifically what the user prefers.
I don't know if Steve is in charge of PR and marketing. But Apple excels in both those areas.
dell mini 5 - love the idea, wanted one till i saw rumours about price, then rumours about them F****** with Android. plus its Dell and lately i haven't been happy with the lack of quality, pricing and crappy designs.
Nexus one clone - i have had my nexus one for 2 days now. switched from att to tmobile. you are in for a rude awakening if you think it will best the iphone. battery life is not good i am going to have to see what i can do to shave some power hogs off of it. tmobile 3g has been awful. now maybe its due to SXSW going on which is also kicking att butt too with all these people gathered together with gadgets. i PRAY this is why my tmobile 3g is so spotty...
voice apps on nexus one - laughable so far...i get about 1 in 3 to actually be close to what i say or else the app fails completely.
don't get me wrong, i like some aspects of this phone but i also like and use kubuntu. most people wouldn't like using kubuntu.
basically i have found out that the grass is not greener....
if you want to wrestle with your device then ditch apple and go android.
I always say "making something simple is not simple at all"
To paraphrase somebody much wiser than me, things should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler than that.
My take is that too often, Apple simply deletes functionality in an attempt to make things simple enough for their target consumer.
Hey did you see how iPhone sales doubled year on year, 98% higher than the same quarter last year.
Pretty impressive, huh?
Very impressive. Amazing even. Likely their decision to sell im more countries was a large contributing factor.
Did you notice that Android penetration was up almost 800% in the same time period?
Somehow I don't think Pandora has anything whatsoever to do with the accepted definition of multitasking.
Like the guy yesterday, you seem to be mistaking an example for a definition.
I don't understand why I would want to see all running apps? What is the purpose? The technical problem of managing apps and their multi-tasking should be completely behind the scenes and not even known to the user.
The reason is similar to why you have stuff like a temperature gauge on your car's dashboard. Generally, more information is more useful than less information.
Seeing which apps are running will help you to decide what to do in certain situations.
dell mini 5 - love the idea, wanted one till i saw rumours about price, then rumours about them F****** with Android. plus its Dell and lately i haven't been happy with the lack of quality, pricing and crappy designs.
Nexus one clone - i have had my nexus one for 2 days now. switched from att to tmobile. you are in for a rude awakening if you think it will best the iphone. battery life is not good i am going to have to see what i can do to shave some power hogs off of it. tmobile 3g has been awful. now maybe its due to SXSW going on which is also kicking att butt too with all these people gathered together with gadgets. i PRAY this is why my tmobile 3g is so spotty...
voice apps on nexus one - laughable so far...i get about 1 in 3 to actually be close to what i say or else the app fails completely.
don't get me wrong, i like some aspects of this phone but i also like and use kubuntu. most people wouldn't like using kubuntu.
basically i have found out that the grass is not greener....
if you want to wrestle with your device then ditch apple and go android.
Good to know. Thanks.
The iPhone is a great device and has certainly motivated other phone OS makers to make better products. But just now getting multitasking support? My friends with iPhones love them, but are a bit envious that I can run Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, SQL Server, and so easily write apps for my phone.
So what's the big deal? My Windows Phone (6.5) already does that. The .NET apps I write can run while I am talking on the phone, running the FaceBook app, running Google Maps, browsing the web, etc.
The iPhone is a great device and has certainly motivated other phone OS makers to make better products. But just now getting multitasking support? My friends with iPhones love them, but are a bit envious that I can run Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, SQL Server, and so easily write apps for my phone.
The Enquirer's headline is something like "Apple Finally Adds Basic Functionality to iPhone".
The reason is similar to why you have stuff like a temperature gauge on your car's dashboard. Generally, more information is more useful than less information.
Seeing which apps are running will help you to decide what to do in certain situations.
Ah, no thanks. I'd rather just use my apps. I don't want to have to decide which apps to "kill". That's a technical problem and should be handled by either the OS or the developers. I'll admit that I'm not a big multi-tasker with my phone. I use it for something, then go on to something else, but whether an app closes or suspends or whatever, when I hit the Home button, doesn't matter much to me and I don't want to have to suddenly be managing the memory or CPU utilization on my phone.
Ah, no thanks. I'd rather just use my apps. I don't want to have to decide which apps to "kill". That's a technical problem and should be handled by either the OS or the developers. I'll admit that I'm not a big multi-tasker with my phone. I use it for something, then go on to something else, but whether an app closes or suspends or whatever, when I hit the Home button, doesn't matter much to me and I don't want to have to suddenly be managing the memory or CPU utilization on my phone.
That makes sense. What would be optimal would be to allow sophisticated users to have increased funtionality, while the rest can simply ignore it with relative impunity.
Kind of like automatic transmissions that can be used like manual transmissions, if, as and when it is advantageous.
Those who know what they are doing are able to get better performance, and the rest can ignore it, and use overdrive when pulling a trailer.
This fits in well with "make things as simple as possible, but no simpler".
But lopping off functionality as a technique to make a device easier to use is not something I like.
But lopping off functionality as a technique to make a device easier to use is not something I like.
What functionality has been lopped off? Are you looking for an app to be created that lets you monitor all that kind of stuff on a phone? Like Activity Monitor on the Mac?
What the heck is taking them so long? In the meantime, Android is surging in popularity and the iOS is stagnating.
Apparently you have no clue about how difficult it is to produce a good multitasking environment that is secure. The first time your phone would lock up during a phone call due to a priority inversion, you would be screaming "what a POS"....
Maybe you should write your own MTOS and offer to sell it to them?
Win CE for phones IS pretty bad, even though they 'took their time' before releasing it.
Android is a shell, and is beginning to exhibit cracks....
Provide me something that works reliably, and does what it is suppose to well, and I won't complain. I am not that bored that I need to be watching/playing/doodling/surfing/ 5 things at once on a screen 2.5"x3"....
Its a game of leapfrog....sometimes you gotta plan your next jump very carefully and make sure you execute it well.