My guess (and it's only a guess) is that an entire discussion took place privately before reaching this point.
Preemptive comment: Always remember that "freedom of the press" gives you the right to publish on your own press, not to publish on someone else's press.
A troll is a troll. Said person has used other accounts to derail discussions so a warning is pointless. You can only pander to those who hijack public discussions so much. A troll doesnt have to use fowl language to grab attention away from the actual topic. Half the posts in this thread are by said troll. Anyone would think the internet revolves around them. Really, life is too short to tiptoe around trolls.
When I phoned O2 UK to alter my tariff they mentioned that the next iPhone will be able to "run 3 or 4 apps at the same time". Obviously I'm dubious whether they'd even know for sure about the next OS, and they may have been dumbing it down rather than say "it will do multitasking". But food for thought anyway. So maybe there will be a hard limit to how many apps can be run at the same time...
2) iPhone supports remote provisioning and profile management
That's all we are waiting for. 3) iPhone supports remote loading of corporate developed applications would be double bonus.
And the overriding bonus is not having my data travel through RIMs data center which is in a different country or suffer outages from their infrastructure.
I think Windows Mobile and the iPhone, once the above happens (and it will) are a VERY appealing alternative to the Blackberry.
I will be frank as much as I do not agree with iGenius's behaviour banning him for not using foul language,personal attacks or anything that is normally bannable is to me not justifable in my mind
The word ?obsequious? is used to describe someone who is almost pathetically eager to follow, obey, and serve. It is often used in a pejorative way, suggesting that someone has rather slavish tendencies which are obnoxious and sometimes embarrassing. Most people make an effort to avoid being obsequious, finding ways to express compliance which are more subtle and less intense than obsequiousness, although in some cultures this servile attitude is considered socially acceptable.
A warning could have been given.
enough said
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How do you know it wasn't?
My guess (and it's only a guess) is that an entire discussion took place privately before reaching this point.
Preemptive comment: Always remember that "freedom of the press" gives you the right to publish on your own press, not to publish on someone else's press.
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Originally Posted by Macant
A troll is a troll. Said person has used other accounts to derail discussions so a warning is pointless. You can only pander to those who hijack public discussions so much. A troll doesnt have to use fowl language to grab attention away from the actual topic. Half the posts in this thread are by said troll. Anyone would think the internet revolves around them. Really, life is too short to tiptoe around trolls.
And In more progressive environments I can also point to companies here offering a choice of three phones types: 1xRIM, 1xWin, 1xiPhone. It's up to employees what they pick and up to IT to make it work.
And as soon as Apple achieves FIPS 140-2 certification, that will be the scenario in some parts of DOD land as well... Blackberry's future is FAR from assured. They may remain a significant player, but their dominance will no longer be assured.
My guess (and it's only a guess) is that an entire discussion took place privately before reaching this point.
Preemptive comment: Always remember that "freedom of the press" gives you the right to publish on our own press, not to publish on someone else's press.
I was commenting on moderator comments concerning the ban. I would prefer moderator do not make comments, but just ban the person. Anyway its happened.
With concern to multitasking, we already have issues with version 3.0+ on iPhone 3G with concern to processor speed (slow down) and battery drain. I am not sure I want to update my iPhone with 4.0, once it arrives.
If someone can't figure out why their phone is running slow and they have 40 apps running, then screw them.
What a nice attitude. Why are you assuming it's always the users fault? Often it's just bad design - on Windows Mobile you had to use third party managers as there was no way to immediately see what was running in the background!
Heck, even Leo Laporte admitted on a recent TWIT that even he looses track of what is running on his Android phone and it kills his battery - and he's a gadget guy! That's what Apple will do their best to avoid, and based on their past performance I am pretty confident they will succeed.
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They have no concept of what's happening behind the scenes. Its not their business to know what's happening, but they definitely should accept the limitations of ANY given device.
I accept the limitations of the iPhone because by not poorly implementing multitasking and by forcing programmers to comply with minimum standards I have an awesome and consistent user experience. Frankly that's all I care about, not that some checkbox labeled "mutlitasking" is missing.
I dont get into the network arguments either, but I can say just about every time I get a call from one of my iPhone friends the call gets dropped or doesnt connect.
iGenius has been given a well needed break for the obsequious nature of his/her/its posts. Said break will be extended if the behaviour continues.
Many thanks,
Graham
I don't really understand what he did that justifies him "getting a break". I liked the discussion he stirred up here. I have been following this thread just because of the discussion that emerged following his posts.
Multi-tasking is when someone can listen to Pandora, with an active IM while playing a game. And until Apple adds the ability to do this they haven'd added multi-tasking.
OK, Pandora I get. But how exactly do you IM and play a game at the same time? Even if you didn't have the small screen of the iPhone to deal with and were on a desktop computer, you still really can't do both at the same time...
I don't really understand what he did that justifies him "getting a break". I liked the discussion he stirred up here. I have been following this thread just because of the discussion that emerged following his posts.
Just as an observation, this was your fourth post.
The only app I wish truly multi-tasked is pandora.
The App I want to run is FStream. I can listen to any web radio with this application as long as I can find the stream URL. I just love the the way you can put any radio feed into this App.
Nobody would ever need to run 30 apps in the background. You keep making it sound as if multitasking will be something enormous. It's like somebody saying the iphone would never have copy and paste because copying 10GB files to a clipboard just isn't for a phone.
I need a refresher here. Who was asking for 30 apps in the background? Heck, I don't have 30 apps running on my main computer. Even if they do change the policy, I wouldn't be surprised if the limitations were still pretty strict, say you had to specifically enable an app to a background mode, or if it is with more stringent testing.
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I'd recommend everyone just stop replying to him - it would be far more effective
Far easier said than done. It's a very difficult temptation to resist.
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Originally Posted by DocNo42
No, just too lazy. The roads would be a far more civil place if more people drove standard transmissions.
/never owned a car with an automatic transmission
/never owned a front digger
I'm not really seeing the problem with either. To be honest, it sounds pretty dogmatic to me. I don't see how changing transmissions and driveline systems can possibly fix any other stress in life. It just seems like people are acting out because of their life stresses on the road more than anything else.
I need a refresher here. Who was asking for 30 apps in the background? Heck, I don't have 30 apps running on my main computer. Even if they do change the policy, I wouldn't be surprised if the limitations were still pretty strict, say you had to specifically enable an app to a background mode, or if it is with more stringent testing.
He got that number from my post regarding the number of app I used the previous day when I questioned the feasibility of a backgrounding system that automatically ran all app you open in the background once opened until the system ran out of resources or you manually quit them. It was my response to running 10 apps with little additional power usage and no performance hit. I just don't think it's the way a consumer friendly phone should operate.
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A warning could have been given.
How do you know it wasn't?
My guess (and it's only a guess) is that an entire discussion took place privately before reaching this point.
Preemptive comment: Always remember that "freedom of the press" gives you the right to publish on your own press, not to publish on someone else's press.
A warning could have been given.
enough said
A troll is a troll. Said person has used other accounts to derail discussions so a warning is pointless. You can only pander to those who hijack public discussions so much. A troll doesnt have to use fowl language to grab attention away from the actual topic. Half the posts in this thread are by said troll. Anyone would think the internet revolves around them. Really, life is too short to tiptoe around trolls.
The business world is firmly entrenched with RIM, and this will not change in the foreseeable future.
Sure it will.
1) iPhone becomes FIPS 140-2 compliant
2) iPhone supports remote provisioning and profile management
That's all we are waiting for. 3) iPhone supports remote loading of corporate developed applications would be double bonus.
And the overriding bonus is not having my data travel through RIMs data center which is in a different country or suffer outages from their infrastructure.
I think Windows Mobile and the iPhone, once the above happens (and it will) are a VERY appealing alternative to the Blackberry.
I will be frank as much as I do not agree with iGenius's behaviour banning him for not using foul language,personal attacks or anything that is normally bannable is to me not justifable in my mind
The word ?obsequious? is used to describe someone who is almost pathetically eager to follow, obey, and serve. It is often used in a pejorative way, suggesting that someone has rather slavish tendencies which are obnoxious and sometimes embarrassing. Most people make an effort to avoid being obsequious, finding ways to express compliance which are more subtle and less intense than obsequiousness, although in some cultures this servile attitude is considered socially acceptable.
A warning could have been given.
enough said
How do you know it wasn't?
My guess (and it's only a guess) is that an entire discussion took place privately before reaching this point.
Preemptive comment: Always remember that "freedom of the press" gives you the right to publish on your own press, not to publish on someone else's press.
A troll is a troll. Said person has used other accounts to derail discussions so a warning is pointless. You can only pander to those who hijack public discussions so much. A troll doesnt have to use fowl language to grab attention away from the actual topic. Half the posts in this thread are by said troll. Anyone would think the internet revolves around them. Really, life is too short to tiptoe around trolls.
Let's put it to rest. Enough has been said.
And In more progressive environments I can also point to companies here offering a choice of three phones types: 1xRIM, 1xWin, 1xiPhone. It's up to employees what they pick and up to IT to make it work.
And as soon as Apple achieves FIPS 140-2 certification, that will be the scenario in some parts of DOD land as well... Blackberry's future is FAR from assured. They may remain a significant player, but their dominance will no longer be assured.
I would recommend stop trolling for one...
I'd recommend everyone just stop replying to him - it would be far more effective
How do you know it wasn't?
My guess (and it's only a guess) is that an entire discussion took place privately before reaching this point.
Preemptive comment: Always remember that "freedom of the press" gives you the right to publish on our own press, not to publish on someone else's press.
I was commenting on moderator comments concerning the ban. I would prefer moderator do not make comments, but just ban the person. Anyway its happened.
With concern to multitasking, we already have issues with version 3.0+ on iPhone 3G with concern to processor speed (slow down) and battery drain. I am not sure I want to update my iPhone with 4.0, once it arrives.
If someone can't figure out why their phone is running slow and they have 40 apps running, then screw them.
What a nice attitude. Why are you assuming it's always the users fault? Often it's just bad design - on Windows Mobile you had to use third party managers as there was no way to immediately see what was running in the background!
Heck, even Leo Laporte admitted on a recent TWIT that even he looses track of what is running on his Android phone and it kills his battery - and he's a gadget guy! That's what Apple will do their best to avoid, and based on their past performance I am pretty confident they will succeed.
They have no concept of what's happening behind the scenes. Its not their business to know what's happening, but they definitely should accept the limitations of ANY given device.
I accept the limitations of the iPhone because by not poorly implementing multitasking and by forcing programmers to comply with minimum standards I have an awesome and consistent user experience. Frankly that's all I care about, not that some checkbox labeled "mutlitasking" is missing.
Cars with automatic transmissions weren't designed for people who are too stupid to learn to drive a manual.
No, just too lazy. The roads would be a far more civil place if more people drove standard transmissions.
/never owned a car with an automatic transmission
/never owned a front digger
ok perhaps I was a bit harsh lol. Not morons, not unintelligent, just the least techy.
other ways to classify them:
No worse that "my network is the best".
I dont get into the network arguments either, but I can say just about every time I get a call from one of my iPhone friends the call gets dropped or doesnt connect.
iGenius has been given a well needed break for the obsequious nature of his/her/its posts. Said break will be extended if the behaviour continues.
Many thanks,
Graham
I don't really understand what he did that justifies him "getting a break". I liked the discussion he stirred up here. I have been following this thread just because of the discussion that emerged following his posts.
No worse that "my network is the best".
/snort
Multi-tasking is when someone can listen to Pandora, with an active IM while playing a game. And until Apple adds the ability to do this they haven'd added multi-tasking.
OK, Pandora I get. But how exactly do you IM and play a game at the same time? Even if you didn't have the small screen of the iPhone to deal with and were on a desktop computer, you still really can't do both at the same time...
I don't really understand what he did that justifies him "getting a break". I liked the discussion he stirred up here. I have been following this thread just because of the discussion that emerged following his posts.
Just as an observation, this was your fourth post.
The only app I wish truly multi-tasked is pandora.
The App I want to run is FStream. I can listen to any web radio with this application as long as I can find the stream URL. I just love the the way you can put any radio feed into this App.
iGenius has been given a well needed break for the obsequious nature of his/her/its posts. Said break will be extended if the behaviour continues.
Many thanks,
Graham
Please take the next step and ban him for life.
Nobody would ever need to run 30 apps in the background. You keep making it sound as if multitasking will be something enormous. It's like somebody saying the iphone would never have copy and paste because copying 10GB files to a clipboard just isn't for a phone.
I need a refresher here. Who was asking for 30 apps in the background? Heck, I don't have 30 apps running on my main computer. Even if they do change the policy, I wouldn't be surprised if the limitations were still pretty strict, say you had to specifically enable an app to a background mode, or if it is with more stringent testing.
I'd recommend everyone just stop replying to him - it would be far more effective
Far easier said than done. It's a very difficult temptation to resist.
No, just too lazy. The roads would be a far more civil place if more people drove standard transmissions.
/never owned a car with an automatic transmission
/never owned a front digger
I'm not really seeing the problem with either. To be honest, it sounds pretty dogmatic to me. I don't see how changing transmissions and driveline systems can possibly fix any other stress in life. It just seems like people are acting out because of their life stresses on the road more than anything else.
I need a refresher here. Who was asking for 30 apps in the background? Heck, I don't have 30 apps running on my main computer. Even if they do change the policy, I wouldn't be surprised if the limitations were still pretty strict, say you had to specifically enable an app to a background mode, or if it is with more stringent testing.
He got that number from my post regarding the number of app I used the previous day when I questioned the feasibility of a backgrounding system that automatically ran all app you open in the background once opened until the system ran out of resources or you manually quit them. It was my response to running 10 apps with little additional power usage and no performance hit. I just don't think it's the way a consumer friendly phone should operate.