Upgrading the firmware to 1.1 was like night and day and 1.2 firm is even better
That may be the reason why I didn't have a problem. The first thing I did was installed the 1.2 firmware after unboxing my friend's Nook. I borrowed it for a week. I still can't say whether I want to buy it or not. The display is awesome. But somehow even with it's comfortable size, I couldn't use it in one hand and read. I may be able to get used to it. But I don't want to pay $250 for the e-reader and pay more for the books (that I read). Or at best almost as much as paperbacks. But I must say that after seeing the e-ink display, I can see why so many book lovers are converts.
From the Nook, but you can buy books in other retailers like Fictionwise, Baen or any which has epub or ereader formats. Even you can buy at Sony store
Then they added that with the updates, because it couldn't be done before. But you still can't buy from Amazon.
That may be the reason why I didn't have a problem. The first thing I did was installed the 1.2 firmware after unboxing my friend's Nook. I borrowed it for a week. I still can't say whether I want to buy it or not. The display is awesome. But somehow even with it's comfortable size, I couldn't use it in one hand and read. I may be able to get used to it. But I don't want to pay $250 for the e-reader and pay more for the books (that I read). Or at best almost as much as paperbacks. But I must say that after seeing the e-ink display, I can see why so many book lovers are converts.
But, Apple DOES allow you to buy books from the Kindle app, and the B&N app without taking ANY cut. You just have the slight inconvenience of going through Safari. So you CAN buy books through an app sold in Apple's App Store without giving Apple any cut.
Okay so what you are saying is this...
"You can BUY a book from WITHIN the Kindle App (and B&N App) so long as you don't BUY the book from the APPs but instead go tru Safari to (officially?) BUY the book.
Oh okay gotcha... I can see where **I** was playing with words.
The menu lag in the navigation screen (at the bottom of the device) is abysmal. Click (wait) click again (oh damn, the first click just "took", I wonder where is the second click is going to take me). And they sure didn't build it for ease of use (though you do eventually adjust to what it wants you to do). It's also the only dedicated e-book reader I've ever had crash on me (Android error), and it happened more than once.
It's ok because it's LEGAL. That doesn't mean it's a great thing to happen. I'm not even happy about these big media companies owning movie studios, newspapers, magazines, radio stations, and Tv networks
Phew... you had be going for a second. And yes we can both agree that the 'engulf and devour' corporations who are merging and or buying each other and as a result are owning greater and greater numbers of titles (be they books, movies, TV & radio stations, newspapers, etc) all under a single mammoth corporation needs to be looked into and looked into with an impartial eye (yea right, like thats gonna happen).
Unfortunately as you stated above, there isn't anything that can be done about it short of the FTC stopping/denying additional mergers before they happen and they don't exactly have a great track record in recent history. But this topic for another thread.
"You can BUY a book from WITHIN the Kindle App (and B&N App) so long as you don't BUY the book from the APPs but instead go tru Safari to (officially?) BUY the book.
Oh okay gotcha... I can see where **I** was playing with words.
End of discussion...
No, since you started the discussion, you can't simply end it with a remark like that.
You totally miss the point. The fact that you can buy books for the device that will work on the device, through the device, is what's important.
You're vainly attempting to set a situation that's so narrowly defined that no one can win but you.
As I said, its a minor inconvenience to do it that way, thats all. But it can be done.
And you've refused, I see, to respond to the facts that neither Amazon or B&N will allow you to buy from each other, or from Apple's App Store.
No answer for that, is there?
Why should Apple be different, even though they do allow it?
Then they added that with the updates, because it couldn't be done before. But you still can't buy from Amazon.
No, it was there from firmware 1.0.
You can't buy from Amazon because Amazon books are Mobipocket books. But, if in your country it's allowed circumvect DRM, you can buy the book, convert it with Calibre and sideload it in the Nook (or Sony)
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Originally Posted by melgross
The Nook is terrible. I haven't found one decent review.
That goes for the 1.2 software update. The best that's been said is that is fixes some of the problems.
Well, do you have used one? Because it have still some flaws but it's not the apocalyptic panorama you are painting.
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Originally Posted by John.B
The menu lag in the navigation screen (at the bottom of the device) is abysmal. Click (wait) click again (oh damn, the first click just "took", I wonder where is the second click is going to take me). And they sure didn't build it for ease of use (though you do eventually adjust to what it wants you to do). It's also the only dedicated e-book reader I've ever had crash on me (Android error), and it happened more than once.
And you've refused, I see, to respond to the facts that neither Amazon or B&N will allow you to buy from each other, or from Apple's App Store.
Regarding Sony and B&N, they allow to buy the book anywhere you want. The only limit it's that they have to be ePub or PDF and with Adobe or B&N DRM if they are protected.
No, since you started the discussion, you can't simply end it with a remark like that.
That remark was indicating that I was done beating this dead horse but okay I only end my comments with your permission.
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Originally Posted by melgross
You totally miss the point. The fact that you can buy books for the device that will work on the device, through the device, is what's important.
I THOUGH I was poking fun at Apple based on the fact that they would never allow either ebook app BUY CONTENT FROM WITHIN THE APP. I'm glad to see you knew the point I was trying to make better that I did. How can I ever thank you for setting me straight. Please let me know how I should respond in the future so I don't screw it up again and simply go with what I wanted to say.
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross
You're vainly attempting to set a situation that's so narrowly defined that no one can win but you. As I said, its a minor inconvenience to do it that way, thats all. But it can be done.
Okay so being able to buy books from with an ereader is not something I should comment or express displeasure about because its just a vain attempting to set a situation that's so narrowly defined that no one can win but you. You got it boss!
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross
And you've refused, I see, to respond to the facts that neither Amazon or B&N will allow you to buy from each other, or from Apple's App Store.
Because my argument had to do with the APP store rules and regulations since these Apple devices are marketed as a device that people can add functionality to (something that the other 2 products don't even claim to do). And developer are not able to provide all the features they want, not based on the app abusing the devices finite battery supplies, and not based on the apps vulgar or illegal content, but simply because Apple objects for reasons they don't want to share.
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross
No answer for that, is there?
Chearly there was since I you just read it...
Ooops I did it again... expressing my own thoughts instead of the ones you desire... No I have no answer for that you sir are right again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross
Why should Apple be different, even though they do allow it?
Because Apple is marketing a device that is not simply Apple controlled (like AppleTV or the iPod video) and those other devices doesn't make claims about 10s of thousands of developer who are all adding additional programs to make said devices even MORE useful, like Apple does.
So now I am (all by myself) choosing to not reply to any additional posts... I've made my statements and did my very best to explain them... You have chosen to ignore my comments because they were true and instead replace my concerns with something of your own creation and have gone far away from the the basic point I wanted to discuss. So I'm not wasting any more time on this.
You win, you are right and I am wrong... Please forgive me for ever second guessing it.
I THOUGH I was poking fun at Apple based on the fact that they would never allow either ebook app BUY CONTENT FROM WITHIN THE APP. I'm glad to see you knew the point I was trying to make better that I did. How can I ever thank you for setting me straight. Please let me know how I should respond in the future so I don't screw it up again and simply go with what I wanted to say.
Your original post was not nearly as clear as you think it was. It does mention in app purchasing, but not under the reason for rejection. Debating whether Apple should allow third parties to perform in app sales using their own servers instead of Apples is a big can of worms. Much bigger than Apple not rejecting this app, which seems to be the likely outcome.
Personally I'm glad that every app isn't asking me to set up an account with them (and asking for my credit card number) to make in app purchases. There are a few notable exceptions where it would be nice, but I feel that it would also significantly degrade the overall feel of the iPhone, while exposing some unassuming users to a greater level of risk. That's about as deep as I want to dive into that topic.
Your original post was not nearly as clear as you think it was. It does mention in app purchasing, but not under the reason for rejection. Debating whether Apple should allow third parties to perform in app sales using their own servers instead of Apples is a big can of worms.
I agree... it is a can of worms but my initial post was trying to make that point an issue that should be discussed and I specifically chose the B&N app since it was an APP the would clearly want to implement in APP purchasing AND also a product that could never be sold if it had to pay Apple a processing fee... A fee that first of all is totally unnecessary since B&N clearly have all the infrastructure and finally the products they'd be selling simply couldn't tolerate a 30% up-charge that B&N would need to put on top of its normal web price sale since the ebook margins aren't large enough for them to hand over 30% to Apple and still make any money at all.
Let's get away from ebooks... Lets use an example of something that the "Apple Defenders At All Cost" won't put up their shields for. Supermarket Groceries..
Yes its a great replacement. Wouldn't it be nice to have an APP available that you can browse and shop for all of your groceries and then submit the order and depending on the service pick up the groceries (for a small fee) or have them delivered for a slightly larger fee? We don't need to argue over this service being 'worth it or not' its a fact that they exist AND people use them... And for reasons I'd rather not delve into I'm one of them.
This APP simply couldn't exist.. Because like ebooks groceries are usually sold on razor thin markups (mostly) and to think that any of the online grocerie services (PeaPod and others) would even develop an iPhone that in turn would require them to give Apple 30% of each and every order that was made... again they simply couldn't do it and the app goes unwritten.
How about a fast food example? McDonald's maybe? Lets say you've got 3 kids who always order the same thing and the McDonald's near you is always busy. Now imagine an APP that could remember and maintain a food order for you (since the kids always get the same stuff anyway) and you would be able to wirelessly xmit the order (no fool at the register screwing it up) to the people preparing the meals and also pays for the food.
You'd simply have to show your paid screen to the counter person when the order comes up..
Again this could never be a reality if Apple forded McDonald's to tack on 30% to each and every order that was placed with the iPhone app.
I could go on but THIS (if people want to believe it or not is no longer my concern) is the point I'm making... but then again maybe I just came up with all of this on the spot and prior to this never gave the subject any thought and maybe I'm just really good at thinking on my feet.
Oh and the reason for me not putting the in app purchasing in the rejection text is because Apple never comes out and says why something was rejected when its potentially a controversial issue... So i mockingly used the one that Apple used to kill the Google Voice App. But heck, for all you know I just came up with that now (again thinking fast on my feet maybe?) but then again I've always been negative about the GV rejection... but MAYBE I made all those negative posts up back then because I KNEW I'd need them now for my excuse...
Best bet is to check with melgross, he knows better than me what my intentions were, are and will be in the future... I for one am beside myself in excitement as to how I'm going to feel next... I certainly hope he fills me in...
You can't buy from Amazon because Amazon books are Mobipocket books. But, if in your country it's allowed circumvect DRM, you can buy the book, convert it with Calibre and sideload it in the Nook (or Sony)
Well, do you have used one? Because it have still some flaws but it's not the apocalyptic panorama you are painting.
Briefly I used one. I don't remember being able to buy books that way.
And don't talk about getting around DRM, because that's not what we're talking about.
It's still not very good. As has been pointed out in several reviews, it's like a device in early beta. Even 1.2 has come only a short way.
Regarding Sony and B&N, they allow to buy the book anywhere you want. The only limit it's that they have to be ePub or PDF and with Adobe or B&N DRM if they are protected.
I'm not talking about Sony.
And the fct that they need Adobe or B&N DRM means you cant buy a book anywhere.
And Amazon, the only big book seller is left out.
I've got several apps on my iPhone that lets me also buy books from all sellers as far as I can tell, including BOTH Amazon and B&N.
I've got several apps on my iPhone that lets me also buy books from all sellers as far as I can tell, including BOTH Amazon and B&N.
An App that quits itself and opens a link in Safari to a specific product page isn't my definition of 'being able to order products from within the an iPhone App' but I'm guessing you are going to say differently.... I guess it all comes down to what the definition of IS is..
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Upgrading the firmware to 1.1 was like night and day and 1.2 firm is even better
Really? Well, that's good. Maybe I'll swing by my local B&N and see if it's worth the $ now.
Upgrading the firmware to 1.1 was like night and day and 1.2 firm is even better
That may be the reason why I didn't have a problem. The first thing I did was installed the 1.2 firmware after unboxing my friend's Nook. I borrowed it for a week. I still can't say whether I want to buy it or not. The display is awesome. But somehow even with it's comfortable size, I couldn't use it in one hand and read. I may be able to get used to it. But I don't want to pay $250 for the e-reader and pay more for the books (that I read). Or at best almost as much as paperbacks. But I must say that after seeing the e-ink display, I can see why so many book lovers are converts.
From the Nook, but you can buy books in other retailers like Fictionwise, Baen or any which has epub or ereader formats. Even you can buy at Sony store
Then they added that with the updates, because it couldn't be done before. But you still can't buy from Amazon.
No, it was rejected for duplicating iPhone functionality, not for using private API's
It was actually both.
Upgrading the firmware to 1.1 was like night and day and 1.2 firm is even better
The Nook is terrible. I haven't found one decent review.
That goes for the 1.2 software update. The best that's been said is that is fixes some of the problems.
That may be the reason why I didn't have a problem. The first thing I did was installed the 1.2 firmware after unboxing my friend's Nook. I borrowed it for a week. I still can't say whether I want to buy it or not. The display is awesome. But somehow even with it's comfortable size, I couldn't use it in one hand and read. I may be able to get used to it. But I don't want to pay $250 for the e-reader and pay more for the books (that I read). Or at best almost as much as paperbacks. But I must say that after seeing the e-ink display, I can see why so many book lovers are converts.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/18886..._the_nook.html
But, Apple DOES allow you to buy books from the Kindle app, and the B&N app without taking ANY cut. You just have the slight inconvenience of going through Safari. So you CAN buy books through an app sold in Apple's App Store without giving Apple any cut.
Okay so what you are saying is this...
"You can BUY a book from WITHIN the Kindle App (and B&N App) so long as you don't BUY the book from the APPs but instead go tru Safari to (officially?) BUY the book.
Oh okay gotcha... I can see where **I** was playing with words.
End of discussion...
What's wrong with the software on the Nook?
The menu lag in the navigation screen (at the bottom of the device) is abysmal. Click (wait) click again (oh damn, the first click just "took", I wonder where is the second click is going to take me). And they sure didn't build it for ease of use (though you do eventually adjust to what it wants you to do). It's also the only dedicated e-book reader I've ever had crash on me (Android error), and it happened more than once.
It's ok because it's LEGAL. That doesn't mean it's a great thing to happen. I'm not even happy about these big media companies owning movie studios, newspapers, magazines, radio stations, and Tv networks
Phew... you had be going for a second. And yes we can both agree that the 'engulf and devour' corporations who are merging and or buying each other and as a result are owning greater and greater numbers of titles (be they books, movies, TV & radio stations, newspapers, etc) all under a single mammoth corporation needs to be looked into and looked into with an impartial eye (yea right, like thats gonna happen).
Unfortunately as you stated above, there isn't anything that can be done about it short of the FTC stopping/denying additional mergers before they happen and they don't exactly have a great track record in recent history. But this topic for another thread.
Okay so what you are saying is this...
"You can BUY a book from WITHIN the Kindle App (and B&N App) so long as you don't BUY the book from the APPs but instead go tru Safari to (officially?) BUY the book.
Oh okay gotcha... I can see where **I** was playing with words.
End of discussion...
No, since you started the discussion, you can't simply end it with a remark like that.
You totally miss the point. The fact that you can buy books for the device that will work on the device, through the device, is what's important.
You're vainly attempting to set a situation that's so narrowly defined that no one can win but you.
As I said, its a minor inconvenience to do it that way, thats all. But it can be done.
And you've refused, I see, to respond to the facts that neither Amazon or B&N will allow you to buy from each other, or from Apple's App Store.
No answer for that, is there?
Why should Apple be different, even though they do allow it?
And you've refused, I see, to respond to the facts that neither Amazon or B&N will allow you to buy from each other, or from Apple's App Store.
Exactly.
Apple allows you to jump from the app to a web page to complete the transaction; which is better than you'll get from either Amazon or B&N.
But that doesn't fit with his "Apple must be the bad guy" scenario, does it?
Then they added that with the updates, because it couldn't be done before. But you still can't buy from Amazon.
No, it was there from firmware 1.0.
You can't buy from Amazon because Amazon books are Mobipocket books. But, if in your country it's allowed circumvect DRM, you can buy the book, convert it with Calibre and sideload it in the Nook (or Sony)
The Nook is terrible. I haven't found one decent review.
That goes for the 1.2 software update. The best that's been said is that is fixes some of the problems.
Well, do you have used one? Because it have still some flaws but it's not the apocalyptic panorama you are painting.
The menu lag in the navigation screen (at the bottom of the device) is abysmal. Click (wait) click again (oh damn, the first click just "took", I wonder where is the second click is going to take me). And they sure didn't build it for ease of use (though you do eventually adjust to what it wants you to do). It's also the only dedicated e-book reader I've ever had crash on me (Android error), and it happened more than once.
Firmware 1.2, almost instantanely.
And you've refused, I see, to respond to the facts that neither Amazon or B&N will allow you to buy from each other, or from Apple's App Store.
Regarding Sony and B&N, they allow to buy the book anywhere you want. The only limit it's that they have to be ePub or PDF and with Adobe or B&N DRM if they are protected.
No, since you started the discussion, you can't simply end it with a remark like that.
That remark was indicating that I was done beating this dead horse but okay I only end my comments with your permission.
You totally miss the point. The fact that you can buy books for the device that will work on the device, through the device, is what's important.
I THOUGH I was poking fun at Apple based on the fact that they would never allow either ebook app BUY CONTENT FROM WITHIN THE APP. I'm glad to see you knew the point I was trying to make better that I did. How can I ever thank you for setting me straight. Please let me know how I should respond in the future so I don't screw it up again and simply go with what I wanted to say.
You're vainly attempting to set a situation that's so narrowly defined that no one can win but you. As I said, its a minor inconvenience to do it that way, thats all. But it can be done.
Okay so being able to buy books from with an ereader is not something I should comment or express displeasure about because its just a vain attempting to set a situation that's so narrowly defined that no one can win but you. You got it boss!
And you've refused, I see, to respond to the facts that neither Amazon or B&N will allow you to buy from each other, or from Apple's App Store.
Because my argument had to do with the APP store rules and regulations since these Apple devices are marketed as a device that people can add functionality to (something that the other 2 products don't even claim to do). And developer are not able to provide all the features they want, not based on the app abusing the devices finite battery supplies, and not based on the apps vulgar or illegal content, but simply because Apple objects for reasons they don't want to share.
No answer for that, is there?
Chearly there was since I you just read it...
Ooops I did it again... expressing my own thoughts instead of the ones you desire... No I have no answer for that you sir are right again.
Why should Apple be different, even though they do allow it?
Because Apple is marketing a device that is not simply Apple controlled (like AppleTV or the iPod video) and those other devices doesn't make claims about 10s of thousands of developer who are all adding additional programs to make said devices even MORE useful, like Apple does.
So now I am (all by myself) choosing to not reply to any additional posts... I've made my statements and did my very best to explain them... You have chosen to ignore my comments because they were true and instead replace my concerns with something of your own creation and have gone far away from the the basic point I wanted to discuss. So I'm not wasting any more time on this.
You win, you are right and I am wrong... Please forgive me for ever second guessing it.
I THOUGH I was poking fun at Apple based on the fact that they would never allow either ebook app BUY CONTENT FROM WITHIN THE APP. I'm glad to see you knew the point I was trying to make better that I did. How can I ever thank you for setting me straight. Please let me know how I should respond in the future so I don't screw it up again and simply go with what I wanted to say.
Your original post was not nearly as clear as you think it was. It does mention in app purchasing, but not under the reason for rejection. Debating whether Apple should allow third parties to perform in app sales using their own servers instead of Apples is a big can of worms. Much bigger than Apple not rejecting this app, which seems to be the likely outcome.
Personally I'm glad that every app isn't asking me to set up an account with them (and asking for my credit card number) to make in app purchases. There are a few notable exceptions where it would be nice, but I feel that it would also significantly degrade the overall feel of the iPhone, while exposing some unassuming users to a greater level of risk. That's about as deep as I want to dive into that topic.
Your original post was not nearly as clear as you think it was. It does mention in app purchasing, but not under the reason for rejection. Debating whether Apple should allow third parties to perform in app sales using their own servers instead of Apples is a big can of worms.
I agree... it is a can of worms but my initial post was trying to make that point an issue that should be discussed and I specifically chose the B&N app since it was an APP the would clearly want to implement in APP purchasing AND also a product that could never be sold if it had to pay Apple a processing fee... A fee that first of all is totally unnecessary since B&N clearly have all the infrastructure and finally the products they'd be selling simply couldn't tolerate a 30% up-charge that B&N would need to put on top of its normal web price sale since the ebook margins aren't large enough for them to hand over 30% to Apple and still make any money at all.
Let's get away from ebooks... Lets use an example of something that the "Apple Defenders At All Cost" won't put up their shields for. Supermarket Groceries..
Yes its a great replacement. Wouldn't it be nice to have an APP available that you can browse and shop for all of your groceries and then submit the order and depending on the service pick up the groceries (for a small fee) or have them delivered for a slightly larger fee? We don't need to argue over this service being 'worth it or not' its a fact that they exist AND people use them... And for reasons I'd rather not delve into I'm one of them.
This APP simply couldn't exist.. Because like ebooks groceries are usually sold on razor thin markups (mostly) and to think that any of the online grocerie services (PeaPod and others) would even develop an iPhone that in turn would require them to give Apple 30% of each and every order that was made... again they simply couldn't do it and the app goes unwritten.
How about a fast food example? McDonald's maybe? Lets say you've got 3 kids who always order the same thing and the McDonald's near you is always busy. Now imagine an APP that could remember and maintain a food order for you (since the kids always get the same stuff anyway) and you would be able to wirelessly xmit the order (no fool at the register screwing it up) to the people preparing the meals and also pays for the food.
You'd simply have to show your paid screen to the counter person when the order comes up..
Again this could never be a reality if Apple forded McDonald's to tack on 30% to each and every order that was placed with the iPhone app.
I could go on but THIS (if people want to believe it or not is no longer my concern) is the point I'm making... but then again maybe I just came up with all of this on the spot and prior to this never gave the subject any thought and maybe I'm just really good at thinking on my feet.
Oh and the reason for me not putting the in app purchasing in the rejection text is because Apple never comes out and says why something was rejected when its potentially a controversial issue... So i mockingly used the one that Apple used to kill the Google Voice App. But heck, for all you know I just came up with that now (again thinking fast on my feet maybe?) but then again I've always been negative about the GV rejection... but MAYBE I made all those negative posts up back then because I KNEW I'd need them now for my excuse...
Best bet is to check with melgross, he knows better than me what my intentions were, are and will be in the future... I for one am beside myself in excitement as to how I'm going to feel next... I certainly hope he fills me in...
No, it was there from firmware 1.0.
You can't buy from Amazon because Amazon books are Mobipocket books. But, if in your country it's allowed circumvect DRM, you can buy the book, convert it with Calibre and sideload it in the Nook (or Sony)
Well, do you have used one? Because it have still some flaws but it's not the apocalyptic panorama you are painting.
Briefly I used one. I don't remember being able to buy books that way.
And don't talk about getting around DRM, because that's not what we're talking about.
It's still not very good. As has been pointed out in several reviews, it's like a device in early beta. Even 1.2 has come only a short way.
Regarding Sony and B&N, they allow to buy the book anywhere you want. The only limit it's that they have to be ePub or PDF and with Adobe or B&N DRM if they are protected.
I'm not talking about Sony.
And the fct that they need Adobe or B&N DRM means you cant buy a book anywhere.
And Amazon, the only big book seller is left out.
I've got several apps on my iPhone that lets me also buy books from all sellers as far as I can tell, including BOTH Amazon and B&N.
None of the others can do that.
Apple is the most open of all.
I've got several apps on my iPhone that lets me also buy books from all sellers as far as I can tell, including BOTH Amazon and B&N.
An App that quits itself and opens a link in Safari to a specific product page isn't my definition of 'being able to order products from within the an iPhone App' but I'm guessing you are going to say differently.... I guess it all comes down to what the definition of IS is..