NYT: Steve Jobs feels Google betrayed Apple by mimicking iPhone

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  • Reply 281 of 344
    iluviluv Posts: 123member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post


    Ah, one troll defending anther. My bad; 10 hours. Which model netbook has a 10 hour battery?



    The Dell Mini 10 claims 9.5. But we hate Dell. They are lying.
  • Reply 282 of 344
    iluviluv Posts: 123member
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    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    The Lenovo S10-3t that I'm typing on right now (as I relax by the pool).



    It also has a 10.1 (built-in) mult-touch capacitive touch screen, physical keyboard, Linux-based QuickStart, multi-card reader, video out, spacious hard drive, and numerous other very useful features.



    Additionally: It has no difficulty achieving 8 to 10 hours of battery autonomy during a typical workday of web-surfing and document creation.



    It is Windows. Have fun with your virus.
  • Reply 283 of 344
    kotatsukotatsu Posts: 1,010member
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    Originally Posted by iLuv View Post


    It is Windows. Have fun with your virus.



    I think you'll find you're many years out of date. Sorry.



    I haven't had a virus on my desktop PC in the best part of a decade, and all I've done to achieve that is a) not be a retard, and b) run free anti-virus suites. (currently running Microsoft security essentials)
  • Reply 284 of 344
    kotatsukotatsu Posts: 1,010member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    Well, you just regurgitated a lot of the usual buzz-words and mostly sounded like a Droid advertisement. Nothing you said was original and the wording you used was the same everyone uses, so why should I assume you are doing anything but re-stating what you heard in an advertisement?



    I'll give you a couple of examples:



    You can, there are several. And there are valid design and security reasons for not including the ones that aren't allowed. You probably know this already in fact but don't mention it. Why? Begins with the letters T-R-O-L ...



    Here you are making that classic straw man argument. There are mail apps for the iPhone, some from Google themselves, and the built in one supports Google GMail right out of the box. YOu are setting it up however to argue that these don't do it "properly" without mentioning what that is, and then using that to diss the iPhone. This is just total BS Troll-talk also.



    Here again, lots of valid reasons why podcatcher was disallowed not the least of which being the contract with AT&T, but you pretend like you don't know that cause you just want to troll.



    Basically, you either don't really seem to know anything about this stuff, or you do know about it and are just being a jerk about it so as to have a more troll-isciously tasting post. You can't have it both ways.



    I'm kinda coming down on the side of you being an annoying troll-type person as opposed to being just stupid because I just respect your intellect that much.



    Could it be perhaps that the Droid marketting campaign was specifically designed to highlight the iPhone's weaknesses by using common complaints? So yes, those common complaints I share with other frustrated iPhone users. As a panellist said on the most recent TWiT, the iPhone of today is barely any different to the iPhone of 3 years ago. The app store has been the only significant advance in all that time. Why? How could one time Apple defender Leo Laporte have switched to the Nexus One, and never have looked back? When Apple loses the confidence and support of it's most avid cheerleaders, they're losing the plot.



    If there is a good GMail app please share. I've tried a few and to be frank, they're awful. the built in mail app's GMail support is incredibly basic, - no search, no offline caching, and no push. It's awful. Given the Job's attitude towards Google of late I can't see it ever getting any better.



    Why should AT&T's crappy network affect me in the slightest? I live in the UK, and yet AT&T's limits apply here just the same. It's lowest common denominator stuff, just like the recent stance on banning anything vaguely adult from the app store. AT&T sucks so the whole world must feel the same pain. Thanks Steve.



    Just calling me names isn't exactly mature or helpful. By all means try and argue your point, but anything less is redundant.
  • Reply 285 of 344
    gimpymwgimpymw Posts: 45member
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    Originally Posted by TroubleStarter View Post


    This is the part that got my attention the most:

    I have an iPhone and I like it a lot, but I'm always for open standards instead of closed platforms. If not for that, we would still be all working on IBM mainframes and mini-computers.



    You live in a Windows world. Windows is the epitome of a closed platform.
  • Reply 286 of 344
    zindakozindako Posts: 468member
    History always shows Apple comes out on top after being betrayed by their partners, its only a matter of time before people realize how bad the competing products are to iPads/iPhones. When it comes down to the simple idea that there are different products out there for a reason, not everyone has the same taste. Some folks enjoy Apple products, some do not.
  • Reply 287 of 344
    iluviluv Posts: 123member
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    Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post




    If you don't mind slow, ugly, hard to use cheap computers, then I guess you made a good choice.



    It has Windows too.
  • Reply 288 of 344
    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iLuv View Post


    It is Windows. Have fun with your virus.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iLuv View Post


    It has Windows too.



    Wow. A troll from the other side of the fence. How...original?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    I think you'll find you're many years out of date. Sorry.



    I haven't had a virus on my desktop PC in the best part of a decade, and all I've done to achieve that is a) not be a retard, and b) run free anti-virus suites. (currently running Microsoft security essentials)



    Agree with you there. The worst thing that has happened to me are those ad cookies that get into my system every now and then. Nothing that the 2 free scanners/removers I have installed can't handle.
  • Reply 289 of 344
    benroethigbenroethig Posts: 2,782member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post


    For those that don't understand he prefers to use a computer that doesn't make him think.



    Sounds like either you are a Apple Fan or a NetBook user.



    But the sad part is NetBooks blow the Ipad away. That is if Steve Jobs horrible presentation of how Magical it is holds any truth.



    Steve Jobs is an arrogant bastard that has stabbed everyone in the industry in the back.



    Who is the evil one?



    If Jobs really believed in Apple than he'd have more money invested in Apple (sold most of his shares) than he does in Disney.



    Grow up and learn that Steve Jobs doesn't know you, doesn't care about you and certaintly only wants your money.



    It's called business. The exception is Jobs sounds more like a child on the playground that got his feelings hurt.



    Steve Jobs should retire. He's a Wussy.





    True, but he's made a fortunate doing it.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anilsudhakaran View Post


    Still the iPhone is much better. Droid sucks and what a stupid name meant for stupid people.



    Ah, the next generation of Mac users. They platform used to be for the best and the brightest. Now its been relegated to mindless fanboys.
  • Reply 290 of 344
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    Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post


    Wow. A troll from the other side of the fence. How...original?







    Agree with you there. The worst thing that has happened to me are those ad cookies that get into my system every now and then. Nothing that the 2 free scanners/removers I have installed can't handle.



    it is a constant battle to keep windows patched and up to date out of fear of viruses and other attacks. we get a machine every other day that has been infected. it is a huge pain and time suck. the problem is that most people don't want to spend their days worrying about this stuff.



    people who want a computer but don't really know much about them should go with a mac. people who really do know a lot about computers tend to go with macs as well.



    people who think they know something about computers go with windows and then claim that viruses are not an issue...
  • Reply 291 of 344
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bitzandbitez View Post


    this is one of them here...



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY



    also you might want to read the documentation links below to get the answer to your question , which is all right there in the text...



    http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM...362B533B9.html



    good reading..



    BitzandBitez



    There's no evidence of betrayal at either of these links. Further, since I mentioned all of this in previous posts, I don't think I needed to have any of it pointed out.
  • Reply 292 of 344
    finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    True, but he's made a fortunate doing it.



    Yes it is fortunate that Jobs has made a fortune for Apple.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    Ah, the next generation of Mac users. They platform used to be for the best and the brightest. Now its been relegated to mindless fanboys.



    Many "mindless fanboys" are driving sales for the iMac, Mac Pro, MB and MBP making more money for Apple--wow
  • Reply 293 of 344
    finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


    There's no evidence of betrayal at either of these links. Further, since I mentioned all of this in previous posts, I don't think I needed to have any of it pointed out.



    Yeh, I got that impression too, but it wasn't worth my time to respond.
  • Reply 294 of 344
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    Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post


    Nice try. I've provided quite a bit of consistent info that happens to contradict you, including the fact that Google was about 2 years later to market than Apple (even longer if you count multitouch), along with some rather important dates associated with just one of Apple's iPhone patents. I therefore think it's about time for you to put up some relevant info.



    What's your point then ?

    It is not known since when is Apple in "mobile business" but they released the iPhone in 2007. They acquired Fingerworks in middle of 2005, about the same time Google got Rubin and Android team on board. Schmidt was elected to Apple's board in August 2006, when both companies were in the thick of the "mobile business race"



    Note : Schmidt didn't invaded Cupertino, he was invited there (same way Jobs was invited into Xerox offices some decades earlier, but this is another story), and contrary the popular opinion (at least on this forum) it was Apple who benefited most from the partnership...they helped Apple great deal with popularity of Safari and also Google applications on iPhone has lot to do with iPhone success. Just imagine what iPhone would be without YouTube, Maps and GMail ?



    Conclusion : both companies are "mobile" before Schmidt came in. Jobs know that and his stance is just a crap.
  • Reply 295 of 344
    iluviluv Posts: 123member
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    Originally Posted by Brainless View Post


    it was Apple who benefited most from the partnership...they helped Apple great deal with popularity of Safari and also Google applications on iPhone has lot to do with iPhone success. Just imagine what iPhone would be without YouTube, Maps and GMail ?




    And now they are trying to kill Apple. They have no loyalty!
  • Reply 296 of 344
    rbrrbr Posts: 631member
    Is Steve that slow on the uptake?



    It was an obvious mistake to put those people on the board in the first place.



    Maybe Steve should return the compliment and copy Google's products. They might be more useful.
  • Reply 297 of 344
    hezekiahbhezekiahb Posts: 448member
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    Originally Posted by FineTunes View Post


    One of the things that I couldn't understand was why Apple and Google each shared BOD members. Seems like Google had more to gain than Apple. Apple has said that they aren't in the not in the search engine business.



    This is probably why Steve is so steamed, & rightly so. It is plausible that this will come up in a court case as well, with Apple claiming that Schmidt used his BOD position to gain inside knowledge about the iPhone that could have then been passed on to Google's own team.



    Google has long enjoyed a pass as they typically have been given praise for sticking it to Microsoft (whom few like). I have a feeling they are about to have a very different experience if they take a hard stance against Apple. Google has adopted a sort of blind arrogance and if Apple teams up with Microsoft on Bing you will see a market reshaped. Maybe Google thinks they can fall back on Chrome OS if their relations with the two get really bad? Lets face it, Chrome OS is a pathetic joke that has no chance to replace either OS anytime soon. Mark my words, Google's days on top are numbered.
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    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post


    it is a constant battle to keep windows patched and up to date out of fear of viruses and other attacks. we get a machine every other day that has been infected. it is a huge pain and time suck. the problem is that most people don't want to spend their days worrying about this stuff.



    people who want a computer but don't really know much about them should go with a mac. people who really do know a lot about computers tend to go with macs as well.



    people who think they know something about computers go with windows and then claim that viruses are not an issue...



    Think what you want to think and pat yourself on the back for picking a Mac all you want, I can't stop you. All I can say is that I personally have not had a dreadful experience with viruses. Did I say that applies to all Windows machines? No. Windows has viruses because they hold that 90% of the market, so it's logical that there will be more viruses. I've also had no issues keeping my machine up to date. Then again, I'm a personal user (you sound like an IT user) so pressing the yes button when it askes if I want the latest patch is much less exhausting to me.



    But if you're having as many issues as you say, then you might want to check with the hardware that's between the monitor and the chair for the user of that machine. Most issues tend to start there, regardless of what OS you have.



    Back to the topic at hand.
  • Reply 299 of 344
    finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    Ah, the next generation of Mac users. They platform used to be for the best and the brightest. Now its been relegated to mindless fanboys.



    Well if the sales have anything to do with "mindless fanboys" there are more and more of them each quarter---go to:



    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...n_quarter.html



    check it out!!
  • Reply 300 of 344
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brainless View Post


    What's your point then ?

    It is not known since when is Apple in "mobile business" but they released the iPhone in 2007. They acquired Fingerworks in middle of 2005, about the same time Google got Rubin and Android team on board. Schmidt was elected to Apple's board in August 2006, when both companies were in the thick of the "mobile business race"



    You were originally arguing Google was in the mobile business before Apple and Apple is invading Google's area. Now you seem to concede Google was in the mobile business at least no later than Apple--nevermind the widespread rumors in 2004, that Apple was developing a phone or that Apple was actually selling mobile phones 2 years before Google--so it should be considered a tie and Google's actions in the mobile marketplace irrelevant.



    In that sense, you are right: the question of which company was in the mobile market first doesn't matter for the purposes of understanding why Apple/Jobs would feel threatened or betrayed by Google.



    What matters is who owns what IP and who is infringing. Wrapped up in this is an ethical question about whether Google's CEO should have been sitting on Apple's board if Google was or intended to infringe on Apple's IP, even if Google's CEO recused himself from board meetings that involved the iPhone. Would Steve Jobs have taken any of Google's founders under his wing if he knew he was helping create a more powerful enemy (infringer)?



    Apple has a big bag o'patents on the iPhone and has touted this widely, even at consumer events like MacWorld ("And boy have we patented it!" -- S. Jobs, Jan. 2007)



    More recently, Google rolled out multitouch to Android devices in Dec. 2009, despite Apple's patent application for a "multipoint touchscreen" filed May 6, 2004. Apple was awarded patent no. 7,663,607 for said "multipoint touchscreen" on February 16, 2010. Apple filed suit against HTC on March 2, 2010.







    Quote:

    Note : Schmidt didn't invaded Cupertino, he was invited there (same way Jobs was invited into Xerox offices some decades earlier, but this is another story), and contrary the popular opinion (at least on this forum) it was Apple who benefited most from the partnership...they helped Apple great deal with popularity of Safari and also Google applications on iPhone has lot to do with iPhone success. Just imagine what iPhone would be without YouTube, Maps and GMail ?



    The iPhone would arguably have been a bigger/earlier success without YouTube, because YouTube made the device look more like a glorified toy. GMail is a privacy nightmare and far from being everyone's platform of choice for e-mail. Maps is indeed a very nice addition to the iPhone, but arguably not the main reason for its success: the iPod touch is a tremendous success without Maps. Note as well, Apple was promoting Google by including these features on the iPhone.



    If 2 years is a long time in technology fields, then the Xerox-Apple "controversy" is ancient history. Suffice it to say, if Xerox had had IP that it wanted to protect, it could have.



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    Conclusion : both companies are "mobile" before Schmidt came in. Jobs know that and his stance is just a crap.



    So far, your arguments and statements are entirely incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial.
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