Preorders for Apple iPad slow after 120K first-day rush

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  • Reply 181 of 200
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Onhka View Post


    "Thinking for yourself?" So you take the word of the same bunch of malcontents, who without any evidence continue to dump their crap over somebody that has at least read the literature. Not only by Apple, but also observed by a lot of well knowledgeable individuals who where there in person to see and actually spend some time handling the product.



    So continue to feed the trolls.



    Check the keynote at 30:38 minute mark. Pixel Double certainly doesn't look bljurry, blocky or both.



    And from one that has had hands-on:



    Hmmm?



    That scales decently enough, though one would hardly call such a solution 'ideal'.



    It'll be more telling to see apps specifically designed for the platform.
  • Reply 182 of 200
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OzExige View Post


    If you're talking about games only - you may have a point, however, a very slim point, pixel doubling is neither 'blocky' or 'blurry' (see above).



    If it's pixel doubling, it turns one pixel into a block of two by two pixels, making it blocky. That's what it is. If it uses some form of interpolative scaling, it's going to try to approximate the image. It's not going to be nearly as sharp as a native image. Only so much can be done with raster images, there isn't any magic or alchemy that Apple can perform on it, just plain math.



    Quote:

    I have 30,000 + photos (only because I take a lot of photos) I'm not a professional, the professionals I know can't wait.

    Using the iPad at a 'shoot' will be so much better than a laptop and all of them will just pull their work off the cloud for a prospective client.

    A few have part time video jobs (hey, they're still professionals), handing around an iPad is going to be a genuine 'wow' (read magical) factor for them and their clients.

    I can't see any situation for any media (including books, we still have lots of 'book' apps) where the 'wow' factor of the iPad wont come into play



    wow wow wow



    I think it could be very nice, but there is still very little public experience with the actual device.



    The main issue I have is that we have some people saying that nothing bad should be said about the iPad without trying it for yourself first, how about people not make such high praise about it without trying it for themselves first? Parroting the company's trite marketing slogans, like the one I complained about a few posts back, isn't helping either.
  • Reply 183 of 200
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    If it's pixel doubling, it turns one pixel into a block of two by two pixels, making it blocky. That's what it is. If it uses some form of interpolative scaling, it's going to try to approximate the image. It's not going to be nearly as sharp as a native image. Only so much can be done with raster images, there isn't any magic or alchemy that Apple can perform on it, just plain math.







    I think it could be very nice, but there is still very little public experience with the actual device.



    The main issue I have is that we have some people saying that nothing bad should be said about the iPad without trying it for yourself first, how about people not make such high praise about it without trying it for themselves first? Parroting the company's trite marketing phrases, like the one I complained about a few posts back, isn't helping either.



    Thanks for such a level-headed handling of the situation.



    It really is appreciated.
  • Reply 184 of 200
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    You were wrong (again) and you were called on it (again.)



    And if I'm on your ignore list, then don't respond. That kinda kills your whole "ignore" strategy, now doesn't it?



    While I wasn't going to respond to this virus debate I just wanted to add that while I work on both OSX and Windows the fact is virus are simply not a real issue for two reasons. The first would be most users are now using a 64bit version of Windows which greatly reduces the risk of a virus. The second is even having just one virus program like NOD32 which uses next to nothing when it comes to systems resources stops a virus before it even has a chance to do anything.



    Do you have to keep your system updated when you run Windows, yes without a doubt. Should you have active virus protection running, yes without a doubt.



    The last time I got a virus that did any real damage to my system, where I had to reinstall was about 7-8 years ago.



    Most users that get a virus are either not keeping their systems updated, using P2P networks or downloading porn.



    This isnt about hype or me defending Windows its just the reality of the situation.



    The only real difference I see with OSX is not having to run an active virus software because I still look for and install regular updates with OSX.



    Based on what you have said on the forum the last time you really used a Windows system was pre service pack 2 XP. Which was a totally different world.



    In any case with even a bit of knowledge and keeping your system updated this really is not an issue.



    Just my 2 cents.
  • Reply 185 of 200
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    While I wasn't going to respond to this virus debate I just wanted to add that while I work on both OSX and Windows the fact is virus are simply not a real issue for two reasons. The first would be most users are now using a 64bit version of Windows which greatly reduces the risk of a virus. The second is even having just one virus program like NOD32 which uses next to nothing when it comes to systems resources stops a virus before it even has a chance to do anything.



    Do you have to keep your system updated when you run Windows, yes without a doubt. Should you have active virus protection running, yes without a doubt.



    The last time I got a virus that did any real damage to my system, where I had to reinstall was about 7-8 years ago.



    Most users that get a virus are either not keeping their systems updated, using P2P networks or downloading porn.



    This isnt about hype or me defending Windows its just the reality of the situation.



    The only real difference I see with OSX is not having to run an active virus software because I still look for and install regular updates with OSX.



    Based on what you have said on the forum the last time you really used a Windows system was pre service pack 2 XP. Which was a totally different world.



    In any case with even a bit of knowledge and keeping your system updated this really is not an issue.



    Just my 2 cents.



    ...and an extremely valuable '2 cents' it is to the more rational members of this forum.



    (those for whom facts take precedence over fan(atical) rhetoric)



    Thanks
  • Reply 186 of 200
    earthenearthen Posts: 11member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by benny-boy View Post


    Actually, some tanks are made to stop bullets. They can also shoot.



    A great come back.



    But, it only furthers the ruin of the whole analogy.
  • Reply 187 of 200
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Onhka View Post


    "Thinking for yourself?" So you take the word of the same bunch of malcontents, who without any evidence continue to dump their crap over somebody that has at least read the literature. Not only by Apple, but also observed by a lot of well knowledgeable individuals who where there in person to see and actually spend some time handling the product.



    So continue to feed the trolls.



    Check the keynote at 30:38 minute mark. Pixel Double certainly doesn't look bljurry, blocky or both.



    And from one that has had hands-on:



    Another reason I can't wait. I'm a fan of Pac Man CE (because I'm old) as well as other games on the iPhone but the squint-o-vision is a drag (because I'm old). Can finally enjoy these apps on a bigger screen.
  • Reply 188 of 200
    chiachia Posts: 713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by benny-boy View Post


    Early adopters do not fair well compared to 2.0. Even my brother who used to be a product manager at Apple used to say "Never buy Rev A from Apple."



    In other words, he was telling you he lacked confidence in his own product and his company's products.

    It suggests he had very little influence over the quality and was thus ineffective at managing the product.

    Did he jump or was he pushed?



    If people never bought revision A products then they'd never be anything new to introduce.

    Thank goodness our distant ancestors took a risk and tried cooking with fire.
  • Reply 189 of 200
    ozexigeozexige Posts: 215member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    But you obviously want to believe any/all nonsensical advertising propaganda that is tossed your way -



    There's a darned good reason those inane 'I'm A Mac' commercials suddenly disappeared after Windows 7 was introduced, and it's primarily because their silly decade-old rhetoric is no longer true/applicable to today's Windows-based computers.



    Just shot yourself in the foot there - but you are correct, despite your attempt at derision,

    it took MS a decade to almost catch up with Apple's OS
  • Reply 190 of 200
    aizmovaizmov Posts: 989member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    The press here in the UK all talked of the iPad as Apple's attempt to take on the Kindle, an showed it as primarily an eBook reader.



    I believe Apple should state very clearly on the non US web sites that the iPad is not an eBook reader as there will obviously be an expectation that it will be one.



    Minus the books all you are left with is a seriously crippled web browser, incapable of accessing most popular video and gaming sites, and an iPod with a 4:3 screen. Not exactly very good for watching films on.



    I hope it is temporary, I'm sure Apple will introduce the iBooks Store worldwide.
  • Reply 191 of 200
    onhkaonhka Posts: 1,025member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post


    Your argument only takes into account US operators. I am currently living in Europe with a twin card. One in my iPhone and one in my Nokia. Both share the same data account which is unlimited. The 3G version is perfect for me. I can keep one in my iPhone, and one in my iPad. Same price, €10 for unlimited data.



    As far as I know, there is no such thing as unlimited. Or as the chart tabled below, tethering comes with some restrictions/requirements in speed, use and cost.



    Which plan do you have?



    And perhaps you could help us by explaining what these plans offer and how FUP means and works in your declared unlimited data plan.



    In addition, does p2p blocking prevent using VOIP services?
    Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Data_plans



    P.S., Until shown otherwise, it would appear that most of the world's data plans are quite similar or filled with caveats that appear to contradict many of the claims posted on who has the best offerings. At least this seems evident when one asks, "Where do you live and what do you actually pay?" and gets no response. Obviously, the queried either don't know what they are talking about, don't have a plan to refer to, or are just plain BS'ing. I just don't really know.
  • Reply 192 of 200
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChiA View Post


    If people never bought revision A products then they'd never be anything new to introduce.

    Thank goodness our distant ancestors took a risk and tried cooking with fire.



    His ancestors waited for Rev B fire with all the features left out of Rev A to drive sales the following year...
  • Reply 193 of 200
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,016member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iLuv View Post


    There is no laptop that will run the 150,000 apps from the App Store. The iPad is a magical experience.



    True, a laptop will not. But my iPhone will. The question is...what does the iPad do that my iPhone doesn't? Hmm....I guess one could say it's better at movies and e-books. But can it make calls? Does it have a camera? How about greater storage? No, no and no. It's a big iPod touch.
  • Reply 194 of 200
    onhkaonhka Posts: 1,025member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    True, a laptop will not. But my iPhone will. The question is...what does the iPad do that my iPhone doesn't? Hmm....I guess one could say it's better at movies and e-books. But can it make calls? Does it have a camera? How about greater storage? No, no and no. It's a big iPod touch.



    Our iPhones won't surf as fast, or run the new OS, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Calendar Contact, Maps, Notes, YouTube, Photo and Mail apps, etc. Actually all the new apps designed for the iPad are listed in the side-bar on http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/



    Then there is the performance, battery life and display quality.



    As well, all the apps specifically being designed for the new iPad won't work on the iPhone. Even mine.
  • Reply 195 of 200
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    The main issue I have is that we have some people saying that nothing bad should be said about the iPad without trying it for yourself first, how about people not make such high praise about it without trying it for themselves first? Parroting the company's trite marketing slogans, like the one I complained about a few posts back, isn't helping either.



    Fair enough, but the problem in my mind is that the only posts of this sort that seem to move you to object are the "praise the iPod sight unseen" variety.



    These threads are chock-a-block full of "the iPad sucks it's just a big iPod doesn't do anything a netbook doesn't do FAIL" posts that don't get the same treatment. For an Apple enthusiast site this style of interjection, from a moderator, seems at least bothersome.



    I know you aren't "biased", particularly, and that you seek to provide factual information, but just in this area-- taking people to task for being excessively giddy about Apple stuff, while seemingly never being worried about the steady drumbeat of "Apple sux"-- I think it sends the wrong message to people here who do nothing clog the threads with anti-Apple snark.



    As I've said elsewhere, I have no problem with calling out Apple for whatever missteps, real or perceived, it may make, but we both know there are a fair number of people here who are working out some kind of emotional disorder by choosing to spend a lot of time among people they really dislike so as to maintain an attitude of smug superiority because they aren't one of the "sheep." I can't see where a moderator signaling that they may have a point is going to improve the quality of the discussion.
  • Reply 196 of 200
    kotatsukotatsu Posts: 1,010member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    The other day, the question was raised whether you were just stupid or a troll. The poster decided in favor of troll. I think he was at best only half right.



    Nice, insults! Always the last port of call for people with no intelligent argument to make.



    You keep at it, someday some of that mud might stick. Ganbare!
  • Reply 197 of 200
    stevegmustevegmu Posts: 539member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    True, a laptop will not. But my iPhone will. The question is...what does the iPad do that my iPhone doesn't? Hmm....I guess one could say it's better at movies and e-books. But can it make calls? Does it have a camera? How about greater storage? No, no and no. It's a big iPod touch.



    Where's the problem? Many of us would love a big iPod Touch. Since I bought the 1st gen, I was hoping each subsequent revision would offer a much larger model. The iPhone is fine for looking up something on the web every now and then, but not for long web browsing.

    My phone can make calls and take pictures and my MB Pro has greater storage. The iPad is an in-between, supplemental device, not meant to replace anything, except for netbooks.
  • Reply 198 of 200
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post


    Your argument only takes into account US operators. I am currently living in Europe with a twin card. One in my iPhone and one in my Nokia. Both share the same data account which is unlimited. The 3G version is perfect for me. I can keep one in my iPhone, and one in my iPad. Same price, ?10 for unlimited data.



    Each of us have differing situations and intended uses for the iPad. As such, what's right for one person isn't necessarily right for another. Good thing the choice is there. I'd be disappointed if the cost of the iPad were increased to force everyone to go with 3G or if 3G was not offered. This way, whatever your needs, there's a version that makes sense.
  • Reply 199 of 200
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DoctorBenway View Post


    Cool - what app (really I'd like to know)?



    Airvideo. Coolest thing ever. I use Dropbox for things like Word files, etc. Still trying to find the perfect iTunes client...
  • Reply 200 of 200
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,016member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Onhka View Post


    Our iPhones won't surf as fast, or run the new OS, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Calendar Contact, Maps, Notes, YouTube, Photo and Mail apps, etc. Actually all the new apps designed for the iPad are listed in the side-bar on http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/



    Then there is the performance, battery life and display quality.



    As well, all the apps specifically being designed for the new iPad won't work on the iPhone. Even mine.



    1. The new OS is basically an iPhone OS.

    2. If I need presentation software, Excel, etc...I use a laptop with this thing called a keyboard.

    3. My phone runs contacts, calendars and youtube great. My 4th generation one will be twice as good. Coming to an SDW2001 in August 2010.

    4. We'll see about battery life. The screen is what...three times as big? I highly doubt with all those neato features that it will beat an iPhone.

    5. Performance compared to WHAT is the question. My iPhone is great, but not compared to my Mac. My MBP is great, but nothing compared to a Mac Pro.







    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post


    Where's the problem? Many of us would love a big iPod Touch. Since I bought the 1st gen, I was hoping each subsequent revision would offer a much larger model. The iPhone is fine for looking up something on the web every now and then, but not for long web browsing.

    My phone can make calls and take pictures and my MB Pro has greater storage. The iPad is an in-between, supplemental device, not meant to replace anything, except for netbooks.



    I don't know that it's a "problem." Like I said, its a cool device. I honestly don't mean to bash it. It's just simply not for me in any way right now. My next purchase will be an upgrade to my 3G iPhone this summer...whatever it's successor is called.
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