If he did say that, then he's not to be trusted, because it isn't true at all.
Come point out the flaws in my 4gb iPhone from iDay 07? I can't seem to find them.
Neither can I find anything wrong with my 7,1 iMac, first aluminum model on the market, still runs beautifully. Not one problem.
I've also had day one iPhone 3G, and day one iPhone 3GS. Not one has ever had a problem. The entire don't buy Rev A concept is a fraud by anyone who promotes it.
"not to be trusted"... Really? What is this the Gestapo?
Anyway...
You're having had such a pleasant experience with Apple's REV A products is little more than your willingness to accept/overlook the device's flaws/omissions, and does not represent those early adopters who are still unable to record video from their 1st gen iPhone cameras as well as several other feature that came later in the development cycle of the device.
As far as the iPad goes, tear-downs have already revealed that the internal structure includes a space for a front-facing web camera, so consumers considering that feature important would be wise to wait for version 2/an update.
Nobody's noted that a lot of people, including me, will have made reservations to pick up their new toy at the Apple Store instead of having it delivered. That does not show as a pre-order because there is no invoice, just an in-store pickup.
I guess I've really lucked out with Apple's 1.0 products. I've bought at least three of them - very expensive machines - and have never had trouble:
PowerMac G5 2.0ghz dual processor - Perfect machine until its hard drive died way after its useful life ended.
First generation iPhone - a real classic that even survived a drop onto a concrete floor.
27" iMac, quad core. Perfect machine from the moment I bought it.
It probably helps that I always buy retail, never mail order. I don't trust mail order because it seems a lot of people who get the mail ordered high-end machines find them broken or defective. I wish they would have sold the i7 at retail, but I had to settle for an i5. I had them put memory in it, half because I wanted the RAM and half because I wanted them to open the box and make sure the machine was OK.
My iPad will be 32gb WiFi unless I change my mind at the last minute and switch to 64. I would have gotten 3G, mainly to use the GPS, but I need the machine now for development.
You're having had such a pleasant experience with Apple's REV A products is little more than your willingness to accept/overlook the device's flaws/omissions, and does not represent those early adopters who are still unable to record video from their 1st gen iPhone cameras as well as several other feature that came later in the development cycle of the device.
Yes, it's completely outrageous that Apple adds features to products over time! Once they release a product, it's completely unfair to buyers that all future products aren't exactly the same! No one should ever buy anything, ever, because you never know when a new version will come out with more advanced features! That will teach these tech companies a thing or two about innovation! Consumers want technology to remain exactly as it is so they don't feel ripped off! I speak from experience! I bought a Mac years ago and now there are all these Macs out there that make that system look like a dinosaur! Damn you Apple!
And all the other computer manufacturers do exactly the same thing! Never buy tech products!
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As far as the iPad goes, tear-downs have already revealed that the internal structure includes a space for a front-facing web camera, so consumers considering that feature important would be wise to wait for version 2/an update.
Wow, a tear down before it's even been released, that's impressive. Must be those guys over at the WSJ.
Yes, it's completely outrageous that Apple adds features to products over time! Once they release a product, it's completely unfair to buyers that all future products aren't exactly the same! No one should ever buy anything, ever, because you never know when a new version will come out with more advanced features! That will teach these tech companies a thing or two about innovation! Consumers want technology to remain exactly as it is so they don't feel ripped off! I speak from experience! I bought a Mac years ago and now there are all these Macs out there that make that system look like a dinosaur! Damn you Apple!
And all the other computer manufacturers do exactly the same thing! Never buy tech products!
Wow, a tear down before it's even been released, that's impressive. Must be those guys over at the WSJ.
Yeah, yeah, and every other week it's rumored that the iPod Touch will be getting one too. Not that one can tell from those pictures that the parts shown have anything to do with an iPad. I mean, as pointed out, it hasn't been released yet.
Every tech product made today, assuming its production continues, will eventually have features it doesn't now have. You can either wait for them to have those features that they don't have now, in which case it will never be the right time to buy anything, or you can buy it now and get the benefit of use during that time when you would otherwise have been waiting. True for every tech product manufacturer in the world, so it's really not much of a point you are trying to make, that products advance. (Really? They do? Wow! Who knew!?) The advancement won't stop and if you wait for it to, you'll never buy anything, and never get the benefit of use of anything.
Yeah, yeah, and every other week it's rumored that the iPod Touch will be getting one too. Not that one can tell from those pictures that the parts shown have anything to do with an iPad. I mean, as pointed out, it hasn't been released yet.
Every tech product made today, assuming its production continues, will eventually have features it doesn't now have. You can either wait for them to have those features that they don't have now, in which case it will never be the right time to buy anything, or you can buy it now and get the benefit of use during that time when you would otherwise have been waiting. True for every tech product manufacturer in the world, so it's really not much of a point you are trying to make, that products advance. (Really? They do? Wow! Who knew!?) The advancement won't stop and if you wait for it to, you'll never buy anything, and never get the benefit of use of anything.
So what you're saying is: na na na boo boo stick your head in doo doo...
Not the point. Why pay extra for something and not use it. If you want a 3G you will have to pay extra for the service. Wi-Fiers can use the iPad at home, library or coffee shop for free so its not as much a gamble as a commitment to a 3G option is.
Wi-Fiers can use the iPad at home: Which you pay for via your internet plan
library: Which is paid for by the community, members of the community
coffee shop: Which is paid for by the owner who has in one manner or another is a charge to doing business
Wi-Fi is not free. Somebody along the line pays for it. Directly or indirectly.
There is no laptop that will run the 150,000 apps from the App Store. The iPad is a magical experience.
I hope you're being sarcastic. For one, you're using Apple's marketing terminology, another, it's pretty lame marketing terminology. I doubt 150,00 upscaled apps would be a decent experience anyway.
I also doubt you've ever used an iPad, so how would you know? Because Apple marketing told you so?
I hope you're being sarcastic. For one, you're using Apple's marketing terminology, another, it's pretty lame marketing terminology. I doubt 150,00 upscaled apps would be a decent experience anyway.
I also doubt you've ever used an iPad, so how would you know? Because Apple marketing told you so?
What the hell is your problem? Like a lot of us who have read the literature, is it wrong for us to cite from it?
Or would you rather take the word from a pile of trolls? You are supposed to be a Global Moderator. Neutrality should be your friggin goal. Do your work.
And lets not forget that those who question the function/usefulness of the iPad Wi-Fi + 3G:
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Update: March 15, 2010: Apple has provided some additional updates and information about the iPad's GPS and navigation features. Apple states: "iPad with Wi-Fi finds your location using known Wi-Fi hotspots, and Wi-Fi + 3G models use Wi-Fi, GPS, and cellular towers. So you can get routes, get directions, and get there in no time."
This clarifies the difference between the WiFi models and the the WiFi+3G models. The three WiFi models, selling for $499 (16GB), $599 (32 GB), and $699 (64GB) will NOT have a built-in GPS chip, and will rely on Wifi positioning.
The three Wifi+3G models (available in late April at $629, $729, and $829) will have fully functional AGPS chips built in that will use GPS satellite positioning, plus Wifi/cell tower positioning for greater accuracy in a wide range of conditions, including urban environments, which can block or bounce GPS signals.
Other iPad mapping features are similar to those on the iPhone, including using Google Maps and related services, ability to switch between map, satellite, and terrain views, and turn-by-turn directions.
More exciting and interesting will be future apps and software that will make use the iPad's big screen for mapping and other location-based services.
How could an advanced, larger, far more capable iPod Touch *not* sell??
It was a genius idea to begin with, and so very simple. Once you think about it, it's so obvious. But very often the most obvious, simple answers are the most elusive ones. Sometimes it takes a visionary to try the door handle before sawing through the iron bars with a nail file.
When Steve Jobs showed the iPod Touch to Alan Kay (yes, *the* Alan kay), Kay remarked:
"Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you'll rule the world."
Exactly.
The iPad is The Future. And we get to have one next month.
I'll take a library of millions of full-fledged applications over 150 thousand widgets (sorry... apps ) any day.
You do realize that Apple and developers are turning this into a full-fledged computing platform, right? That's kinda the whole point of bigger, more powerful apps.
That iWork app is some widget alright . . .
But since you're trolling for attention, I fully understand your position.
The Wi-Fi only model makes a lot of sense. The iPad is far less likely to be a device many of us will carry around outside the home in many situations in contrast to pocketable devices like the iPhone and Touch.
Even if one were to bring it along in some situations, with a wealth of content stored on the unit and many programs as well, lack of 3G capability will not mean the iPad is useless beyond the range of one's router.
We all pay ridiculous amounts of money to service providers as it is. I suspect yet another monthly bill is not something many of us are that willing to take on.
Your argument only takes into account US operators. I am currently living in Europe with a twin card. One in my iPhone and one in my Nokia. Both share the same data account which is unlimited. The 3G version is perfect for me. I can keep one in my iPhone, and one in my iPad. Same price, ?10 for unlimited data.
You're making a mountain out of a molehill. There are no international pre-orders now and the iPad is not coming to the rest of the world until late April. Apple is in negotiations to extend the ibookstore to other parts of the world and it's possible that this could be done pre-launch.
At the same time, only the US website includes iBooks as a feature, the other websites (ie. Canada) don't mention it at all. In other words, iBooks is not listed as a feature outside of the US. The US website also states that it is US only. Apple has publicized its US only nature and is actively trying get more content deals outside of the US, and the only oversight is your own for not realizing that. I wouldn't expect many returns due to a lacking iBooks app.
The press here in the UK all talked of the iPad as Apple's attempt to take on the Kindle, an showed it as primarily an eBook reader.
I believe Apple should state very clearly on the non US web sites that the iPad is not an eBook reader as there will obviously be an expectation that it will be one.
Minus the books all you are left with is a seriously crippled web browser, incapable of accessing most popular video and gaming sites, and an iPod with a 4:3 screen. Not exactly very good for watching films on.
What the hell is your problem? Like a lot of us who have read the literature, is it wrong for us to cite from it?
Or would you rather take the word from a pile of trolls? You are supposed to be a Global Moderator. Neutrality should be your friggin goal. Do your work.
Neutrality doesn't mean I can't take part in a discussion and can't have my own opinion. The neutrality comes up if I'm trying to mediate an argument that's gotten out of hand. My position as moderator is mostly to axe spam when people flag it, and stop people when they start spewing profanities at other members.
The problem I had is that people repeating "magical" marketing don't exactly rate high on my "thinking for yourself" meter.
Also, all those existing 150k iOS apps are going to be upscaled (blurry, blocky or both) or displayed tiny. I don't know why that's supposed to be "magical". The apps will run, and they should, but it will in a "at least it runs" manner, not in a "magical" manner.
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Well, yes, so what?
Only point is tech profile margins are often high then other sectors. However saying many companies have 35-500% margins is totally false.
If he did say that, then he's not to be trusted, because it isn't true at all.
Come point out the flaws in my 4gb iPhone from iDay 07? I can't seem to find them.
Neither can I find anything wrong with my 7,1 iMac, first aluminum model on the market, still runs beautifully. Not one problem.
I've also had day one iPhone 3G, and day one iPhone 3GS. Not one has ever had a problem. The entire don't buy Rev A concept is a fraud by anyone who promotes it.
"not to be trusted"... Really? What is this the Gestapo?
Anyway...
You're having had such a pleasant experience with Apple's REV A products is little more than your willingness to accept/overlook the device's flaws/omissions, and does not represent those early adopters who are still unable to record video from their 1st gen iPhone cameras as well as several other feature that came later in the development cycle of the device.
As far as the iPad goes, tear-downs have already revealed that the internal structure includes a space for a front-facing web camera, so consumers considering that feature important would be wise to wait for version 2/an update.
I guess I've really lucked out with Apple's 1.0 products. I've bought at least three of them - very expensive machines - and have never had trouble:
PowerMac G5 2.0ghz dual processor - Perfect machine until its hard drive died way after its useful life ended.
First generation iPhone - a real classic that even survived a drop onto a concrete floor.
27" iMac, quad core. Perfect machine from the moment I bought it.
It probably helps that I always buy retail, never mail order. I don't trust mail order because it seems a lot of people who get the mail ordered high-end machines find them broken or defective. I wish they would have sold the i7 at retail, but I had to settle for an i5. I had them put memory in it, half because I wanted the RAM and half because I wanted them to open the box and make sure the machine was OK.
My iPad will be 32gb WiFi unless I change my mind at the last minute and switch to 64. I would have gotten 3G, mainly to use the GPS, but I need the machine now for development.
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You're having had such a pleasant experience with Apple's REV A products is little more than your willingness to accept/overlook the device's flaws/omissions, and does not represent those early adopters who are still unable to record video from their 1st gen iPhone cameras as well as several other feature that came later in the development cycle of the device.
Yes, it's completely outrageous that Apple adds features to products over time! Once they release a product, it's completely unfair to buyers that all future products aren't exactly the same! No one should ever buy anything, ever, because you never know when a new version will come out with more advanced features! That will teach these tech companies a thing or two about innovation! Consumers want technology to remain exactly as it is so they don't feel ripped off! I speak from experience! I bought a Mac years ago and now there are all these Macs out there that make that system look like a dinosaur! Damn you Apple!
And all the other computer manufacturers do exactly the same thing! Never buy tech products!
As far as the iPad goes, tear-downs have already revealed that the internal structure includes a space for a front-facing web camera, so consumers considering that feature important would be wise to wait for version 2/an update.
Wow, a tear down before it's even been released, that's impressive. Must be those guys over at the WSJ.
Yes, it's completely outrageous that Apple adds features to products over time! Once they release a product, it's completely unfair to buyers that all future products aren't exactly the same! No one should ever buy anything, ever, because you never know when a new version will come out with more advanced features! That will teach these tech companies a thing or two about innovation! Consumers want technology to remain exactly as it is so they don't feel ripped off! I speak from experience! I bought a Mac years ago and now there are all these Macs out there that make that system look like a dinosaur! Damn you Apple!
And all the other computer manufacturers do exactly the same thing! Never buy tech products!
Wow, a tear down before it's even been released, that's impressive. Must be those guys over at the WSJ.
Yeah, yeah, and every other week it's rumored that the iPod Touch will be getting one too. Not that one can tell from those pictures that the parts shown have anything to do with an iPad. I mean, as pointed out, it hasn't been released yet.
Every tech product made today, assuming its production continues, will eventually have features it doesn't now have. You can either wait for them to have those features that they don't have now, in which case it will never be the right time to buy anything, or you can buy it now and get the benefit of use during that time when you would otherwise have been waiting. True for every tech product manufacturer in the world, so it's really not much of a point you are trying to make, that products advance. (Really? They do? Wow! Who knew!?) The advancement won't stop and if you wait for it to, you'll never buy anything, and never get the benefit of use of anything.
Yeah, yeah, and every other week it's rumored that the iPod Touch will be getting one too. Not that one can tell from those pictures that the parts shown have anything to do with an iPad. I mean, as pointed out, it hasn't been released yet.
Every tech product made today, assuming its production continues, will eventually have features it doesn't now have. You can either wait for them to have those features that they don't have now, in which case it will never be the right time to buy anything, or you can buy it now and get the benefit of use during that time when you would otherwise have been waiting. True for every tech product manufacturer in the world, so it's really not much of a point you are trying to make, that products advance. (Really? They do? Wow! Who knew!?) The advancement won't stop and if you wait for it to, you'll never buy anything, and never get the benefit of use of anything.
So what you're saying is: na na na boo boo stick your head in doo doo...
Thanks for the 'response'
So what you're saying is: na na na boo boo stick your head in doo doo...
Thanks for the 'response'
No, thank you, for making my point better than I could have.
Really, like what? Reading ebooks is the only thing that comes to mind.
There is no laptop that will run the 150,000 apps from the App Store. The iPad is a magical experience.
Not the point. Why pay extra for something and not use it. If you want a 3G you will have to pay extra for the service. Wi-Fiers can use the iPad at home, library or coffee shop for free so its not as much a gamble as a commitment to a 3G option is.
Wi-Fiers can use the iPad at home: Which you pay for via your internet plan
library: Which is paid for by the community, members of the community
coffee shop: Which is paid for by the owner who has in one manner or another is a charge to doing business
Wi-Fi is not free. Somebody along the line pays for it. Directly or indirectly.
There is no laptop that will run the 150,000 apps from the App Store. The iPad is a magical experience.
I hope you're being sarcastic. For one, you're using Apple's marketing terminology, another, it's pretty lame marketing terminology. I doubt 150,00 upscaled apps would be a decent experience anyway.
I also doubt you've ever used an iPad, so how would you know? Because Apple marketing told you so?
There is no laptop that will run the 150,000 apps from the App Store. The iPad is a magical experience.
Personally...
I'll take a library of millions of full-fledged applications over 150 thousand widgets (sorry... apps
I hope you're being sarcastic. For one, you're using Apple's marketing terminology, another, it's pretty lame marketing terminology. I doubt 150,00 upscaled apps would be a decent experience anyway.
I also doubt you've ever used an iPad, so how would you know? Because Apple marketing told you so?
What the hell is your problem? Like a lot of us who have read the literature, is it wrong for us to cite from it?
Or would you rather take the word from a pile of trolls? You are supposed to be a Global Moderator. Neutrality should be your friggin goal. Do your work.
And lets not forget that those who question the function/usefulness of the iPad Wi-Fi + 3G:
Update: March 15, 2010: Apple has provided some additional updates and information about the iPad's GPS and navigation features. Apple states: "iPad with Wi-Fi finds your location using known Wi-Fi hotspots, and Wi-Fi + 3G models use Wi-Fi, GPS, and cellular towers. So you can get routes, get directions, and get there in no time."
This clarifies the difference between the WiFi models and the the WiFi+3G models. The three WiFi models, selling for $499 (16GB), $599 (32 GB), and $699 (64GB) will NOT have a built-in GPS chip, and will rely on Wifi positioning.
The three Wifi+3G models (available in late April at $629, $729, and $829) will have fully functional AGPS chips built in that will use GPS satellite positioning, plus Wifi/cell tower positioning for greater accuracy in a wide range of conditions, including urban environments, which can block or bounce GPS signals.
Other iPad mapping features are similar to those on the iPhone, including using Google Maps and related services, ability to switch between map, satellite, and terrain views, and turn-by-turn directions.
More exciting and interesting will be future apps and software that will make use the iPad's big screen for mapping and other location-based services.
http://gps.about.com/b/2010/01/27/ap...n-features.htm
Unfortunately, I hesitate to quote such authority, considering the level of expertise that squats themselves here.
It was a genius idea to begin with, and so very simple. Once you think about it, it's so obvious. But very often the most obvious, simple answers are the most elusive ones. Sometimes it takes a visionary to try the door handle before sawing through the iron bars with a nail file.
When Steve Jobs showed the iPod Touch to Alan Kay (yes, *the* Alan kay), Kay remarked:
"Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you'll rule the world."
Exactly.
The iPad is The Future. And we get to have one next month.
Personally...
I'll take a library of millions of full-fledged applications over 150 thousand widgets (sorry... apps
i DON'T WANT A MILLION VIRUSES!
Personally...
I'll take a library of millions of full-fledged applications over 150 thousand widgets (sorry... apps
You do realize that Apple and developers are turning this into a full-fledged computing platform, right? That's kinda the whole point of bigger, more powerful apps.
That iWork app is some widget alright . . .
But since you're trolling for attention, I fully understand your position.
The Wi-Fi only model makes a lot of sense. The iPad is far less likely to be a device many of us will carry around outside the home in many situations in contrast to pocketable devices like the iPhone and Touch.
Even if one were to bring it along in some situations, with a wealth of content stored on the unit and many programs as well, lack of 3G capability will not mean the iPad is useless beyond the range of one's router.
We all pay ridiculous amounts of money to service providers as it is. I suspect yet another monthly bill is not something many of us are that willing to take on.
Your argument only takes into account US operators. I am currently living in Europe with a twin card. One in my iPhone and one in my Nokia. Both share the same data account which is unlimited. The 3G version is perfect for me. I can keep one in my iPhone, and one in my iPad. Same price, ?10 for unlimited data.
You're making a mountain out of a molehill. There are no international pre-orders now and the iPad is not coming to the rest of the world until late April. Apple is in negotiations to extend the ibookstore to other parts of the world and it's possible that this could be done pre-launch.
At the same time, only the US website includes iBooks as a feature, the other websites (ie. Canada) don't mention it at all. In other words, iBooks is not listed as a feature outside of the US. The US website also states that it is US only. Apple has publicized its US only nature and is actively trying get more content deals outside of the US, and the only oversight is your own for not realizing that. I wouldn't expect many returns due to a lacking iBooks app.
The press here in the UK all talked of the iPad as Apple's attempt to take on the Kindle, an showed it as primarily an eBook reader.
I believe Apple should state very clearly on the non US web sites that the iPad is not an eBook reader as there will obviously be an expectation that it will be one.
Minus the books all you are left with is a seriously crippled web browser, incapable of accessing most popular video and gaming sites, and an iPod with a 4:3 screen. Not exactly very good for watching films on.
What the hell is your problem? Like a lot of us who have read the literature, is it wrong for us to cite from it?
Or would you rather take the word from a pile of trolls? You are supposed to be a Global Moderator. Neutrality should be your friggin goal. Do your work.
Neutrality doesn't mean I can't take part in a discussion and can't have my own opinion. The neutrality comes up if I'm trying to mediate an argument that's gotten out of hand. My position as moderator is mostly to axe spam when people flag it, and stop people when they start spewing profanities at other members.
The problem I had is that people repeating "magical" marketing don't exactly rate high on my "thinking for yourself" meter.
Also, all those existing 150k iOS apps are going to be upscaled (blurry, blocky or both) or displayed tiny. I don't know why that's supposed to be "magical". The apps will run, and they should, but it will in a "at least it runs" manner, not in a "magical" manner.