I am not surprised at this report. The iMac is an amazing desktop computer. Way above any other desktop in terms of looks and usability. As for the BR debate - BR is still niche and largely irrelevant for most people.
There is no need to 'maintain balance,' unless you are adopting the perspective of a troll. AI is an Apple fan website, with most of us here fairly happy with Apple/Mac/SJ/etc but with our differences of opinion.
Go elsewhere. Try engadget.com, for instance, where they love people like you! You'll find lots of validation there.
I think you misunderstood my post and the subtlety of it's lighthearted nature.
I was implying that a positive anti-troll is to a negative troll what a positive anti-electron is to a negative electron. The effect is neutralised and Appleinsider is saved from negative trolls.
I've been a very good customer for Apple over the past twenty years: Original Newton Messagepad, MP120, MP2100, Performa 6200, iBookG3, Powerbook G4, Aluminium Macbook, iPhone 3GS.
I have had a largely positive experience with all the Apple products I have owned and used. Constructive criticism, praise and analysis will help Apple improve products further still.
So who are you to tell me to go elsewhere?
From what I've seen of your recent postings you seem to spend more time telling where to go than concentrating on the topic on hand. That to me is troll behaviour.
Apple is blocking out Blu-Ray to protect itunes movie store.
That's nonsense. Apple's "blocking out Blu-Ray" because Blu-Ray volume licensing costs are really high, because the software (and hardware!) support required for playback would be considerable, because the spec continues to evolve so rapidly that Apple would be forced to ship and support firmware updates every few months, and finally because the demand simply isn't there.
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me, i think its time to offer usb 3 and blu-ray
See, the problem is that the vast majority of people simply don't agree with you. So if Apple crammed those technologies into their existing product line right now — when the prices for those components are higher — they'd be selling people features they're unwilling to pay for. So the prices couldn't rise to keep up with the increased component costs, leaving nowhere to go but into the gross margin. Apple would, effectively, be giving away a free toaster with every Mac sold. Which is fine for those precious few customers who actually want a toaster. But for the rest of the customers, at best it's something they'll never notice.
Sadly Apple does rip off the UK consumer, I understand the US price doesn't include sales tax etc etc but when you add it all up ex sales tax etc we pay a LOT more.
Dell charges us the same as they charge you in America, Apple does not.
Still I'm an apple user and will remain so.
Sales tax is irrelevant as that is appended after the list price since states and cities can have different taxes. From highest to additional lowest cost, you have to account for the VAT, for import taxes, the lack of economy of scale between the US for for additional fees such as testing and certifying a new product, different boxes. If you don't think this stuff exists then tell me why the PS2 only officially became sellable in Brasil last year at prices the PS3 can be had.
Thats about as good as I was expecting to get from you. By the way the recent problem with the latest iMacs that keep locking up due to a firmware issue that took Apple a while to fix, that would be the same as a BSOD in the Windows world.
Plus I am sure you have never had a Kernel Panic. Would you even know how to check the log to see what caused one?
Just stop talking about things you don't understand, Quadra has that same problem.
Viruses, BSOD??? Guess you have not used a PC lately.
1. you would have to be a total moron not to protect you pc in about 10 min
You'd have to be a complete moron not to use an OS that doesn't need anti virus protection. Just like sex in the 60's it's always better without protection.
Your wasting your time. I've seen how this discussion unfolds in here, and ultimately nothing will convince anyone here that a PC is in any way a better deal. In fact, they seem to want to out-do one another in their absurd dismissal of PC's in order to come off as a truer Mac die-hard.
You and I know what's up, and we can have a great time with our money.
Hey... I'll be the first to admit that Mac's don't fit for every individual situation. If I was looking for a pure high end gaming machine I certainly wouldn't get a Mac. You are correct about some of the fastest hardware only being available on the PC side, mainly in the video card area in my experience. Additionally, there are unfortunately all too many business needs that require Windows so that is another bad fit for a Mac. However, for a generic home user doing e-mail, web browsing, maybe some photo stuff and moderate gaming I would recommend a Mac every time.
From my experience Mac's are more stable and less prone to corruption/viruses. I'll put a Unix based OS up against any version of Windows for stability any day of the week. This is especially important for less sophisticated users, like my parents, who can screw things up pretty good before they even know it.
All these reheated arguments over Blu-ray, Mac vs. Pc pricing, trolls etc. are frankly irrelevant.
Whether technically better featured or not, expensive or cheaper, more and more people are choosing iMacs as their machine of their choice, which can only be a good thing for Apple and OS X developers.
From a licensing perspective, I guess. iLuv was quoting SJ.
Personally, I could care less about Blu-Ray in a portable device. As a storage medium, it's trumped by portable external drives, and I wouldn't want to carry around a bunch of blu-ray discs @ $25 a pop, just so I can get a marginally noticeable image quality improvement on a 15" screen. Seems rather blown out of proportion.
Then again, I actually do crazy things like work on my portables, not carry them around as a glorified media player or fashion accessory.
Agreed.
Not to mention all the extra DRM built in Blu-Ray discs.
In my opinion spinning discs, whether optical or in hard drives, are on their way out. It's a dying technology.
One of my clients is a switcher, after having his PC infected with a virus that destroyed his data. He's simultaneously trying to recover said data while setting up his new Mac system. You can imagine our support calls. The MS Pro is quite defensive and clearly thinks Macs are fun toys, but not good for anything else. "They don't run Exchange." "They don't have serious programs to do the stuff the client needs to do." "Why can't they just run windows."
Syncing mail and addresses and calendars and data and sharing two Macs? It's embarrassing the Microsoft angle on where Apple stands in business.
His overconfident attitude takes place while he's trying desperately to resurrect data from an infected PC network. My question for him, of course, would be... why didn't you employ a more robust backup system?
I see more and more people taking the plunge. Apple's data reflects it. Although I do have to wonder how much market share Apple is leaving on the table with such high gross margins. There certainly is room to maneuver. And before I get clobbered, no one knows the peak of the PxQ=TR curve. I would only guess that TR could be higher than it is at the current price points.
I also read rumors maybe even here that the next line of MBP's will offer a Blu-Ray option. I hope Blu-Ray is not mandatory. I have no interest in that technology at all.
To me spinning discs should be on the way out becuase moving parts always causes problems. I think media could and should be delivered via a thumb drive or SD card.
If this this 25 percent growth holds true, I'm sure it'll just be written off as a rounding error by Ballmer and all his fanbois on this site.
To be fair, iMacs contributing 25% of Desktop growth (quoted at 3% overall) means that iMac growth will add 0.75% to global desktop growth (based on 70% or so iMac sales growth) which still means that the iMac is a rounding error in overall sales... but that is still explosive growth at high margins for Apple.
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Western Europe and Japan are emerging markets? WTF year is analyst Robert Cihra living in...1950?
You beat me to it. Welcome back to Third World status, Western Europe and Japan!
There is no need to 'maintain balance,' unless you are adopting the perspective of a troll. AI is an Apple fan website, with most of us here fairly happy with Apple/Mac/SJ/etc but with our differences of opinion.
Go elsewhere. Try engadget.com, for instance, where they love people like you! You'll find lots of validation there.
I think you misunderstood my post and the subtlety of it's lighthearted nature.
I was implying that a positive anti-troll is to a negative troll what a positive anti-electron is to a negative electron. The effect is neutralised and Appleinsider is saved from negative trolls.
I've been a very good customer for Apple over the past twenty years: Original Newton Messagepad, MP120, MP2100, Performa 6200, iBookG3, Powerbook G4, Aluminium Macbook, iPhone 3GS.
I have had a largely positive experience with all the Apple products I have owned and used. Constructive criticism, praise and analysis will help Apple improve products further still.
So who are you to tell me to go elsewhere?
From what I've seen of your recent postings you seem to spend more time telling where to go than concentrating on the topic on hand. That to me is troll behaviour.
Apple is blocking out Blu-Ray to protect itunes movie store.
That's nonsense. Apple's "blocking out Blu-Ray" because Blu-Ray volume licensing costs are really high, because the software (and hardware!) support required for playback would be considerable, because the spec continues to evolve so rapidly that Apple would be forced to ship and support firmware updates every few months, and finally because the demand simply isn't there.
me, i think its time to offer usb 3 and blu-ray
See, the problem is that the vast majority of people simply don't agree with you. So if Apple crammed those technologies into their existing product line right now — when the prices for those components are higher — they'd be selling people features they're unwilling to pay for. So the prices couldn't rise to keep up with the increased component costs, leaving nowhere to go but into the gross margin. Apple would, effectively, be giving away a free toaster with every Mac sold. Which is fine for those precious few customers who actually want a toaster. But for the rest of the customers, at best it's something they'll never notice.
Viruses, BSOD??? Guess you have not used a PC lately.
1. you would have to be a total moron not to protect you pc in about 10 min
2. BSOD? Guess you have not heard of windows 7 then.
Actually its hardware/drivers.
Although I disagree with him, a simple search for ["Windows 7" bsod] shows plenty of hits. So yes, he probably has heard of Windows 7.
Sadly Apple does rip off the UK consumer, I understand the US price doesn't include sales tax etc etc but when you add it all up ex sales tax etc we pay a LOT more.
Dell charges us the same as they charge you in America, Apple does not.
Still I'm an apple user and will remain so.
Sales tax is irrelevant as that is appended after the list price since states and cities can have different taxes. From highest to additional lowest cost, you have to account for the VAT, for import taxes, the lack of economy of scale between the US for for additional fees such as testing and certifying a new product, different boxes. If you don't think this stuff exists then tell me why the PS2 only officially became sellable in Brasil last year at prices the PS3 can be had.
Windows.
Thats about as good as I was expecting to get from you. By the way the recent problem with the latest iMacs that keep locking up due to a firmware issue that took Apple a while to fix, that would be the same as a BSOD in the Windows world.
Plus I am sure you have never had a Kernel Panic. Would you even know how to check the log to see what caused one?
Just stop talking about things you don't understand, Quadra has that same problem.
Viruses, BSOD??? Guess you have not used a PC lately.
1. you would have to be a total moron not to protect you pc in about 10 min
You'd have to be a complete moron not to use an OS that doesn't need anti virus protection. Just like sex in the 60's it's always better without protection.
Your wasting your time. I've seen how this discussion unfolds in here, and ultimately nothing will convince anyone here that a PC is in any way a better deal. In fact, they seem to want to out-do one another in their absurd dismissal of PC's in order to come off as a truer Mac die-hard.
You and I know what's up, and we can have a great time with our money.
Hey... I'll be the first to admit that Mac's don't fit for every individual situation. If I was looking for a pure high end gaming machine I certainly wouldn't get a Mac. You are correct about some of the fastest hardware only being available on the PC side, mainly in the video card area in my experience. Additionally, there are unfortunately all too many business needs that require Windows so that is another bad fit for a Mac. However, for a generic home user doing e-mail, web browsing, maybe some photo stuff and moderate gaming I would recommend a Mac every time.
From my experience Mac's are more stable and less prone to corruption/viruses. I'll put a Unix based OS up against any version of Windows for stability any day of the week. This is especially important for less sophisticated users, like my parents, who can screw things up pretty good before they even know it.
Whether technically better featured or not, expensive or cheaper, more and more people are choosing iMacs as their machine of their choice, which can only be a good thing for Apple and OS X developers.
Must have been positive news about Apple.
@ icyfog:
Excellent sig (the link, that is.)
From a licensing perspective, I guess. iLuv was quoting SJ.
Personally, I could care less about Blu-Ray in a portable device. As a storage medium, it's trumped by portable external drives, and I wouldn't want to carry around a bunch of blu-ray discs @ $25 a pop, just so I can get a marginally noticeable image quality improvement on a 15" screen. Seems rather blown out of proportion.
Then again, I actually do crazy things like work on my portables, not carry them around as a glorified media player or fashion accessory.
Agreed.
Not to mention all the extra DRM built in Blu-Ray discs.
In my opinion spinning discs, whether optical or in hard drives, are on their way out. It's a dying technology.
Agreed.
Not to mention all the extra DRM built in Blu-Ray discs.
In my opinion spinning discs, whether optical or in hard drives, are on their way out. It's a dying technology.
Then you'd better stay out of here, then:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=874016
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...kw/LADVDBRFWU8
Compatible with Macs, and PC's too, just in case you ever get tired of your Mac.
Thanks Quadra 610 for the sig props.
Syncing mail and addresses and calendars and data and sharing two Macs? It's embarrassing the Microsoft angle on where Apple stands in business.
His overconfident attitude takes place while he's trying desperately to resurrect data from an infected PC network. My question for him, of course, would be... why didn't you employ a more robust backup system?
I see more and more people taking the plunge. Apple's data reflects it. Although I do have to wonder how much market share Apple is leaving on the table with such high gross margins. There certainly is room to maneuver. And before I get clobbered, no one knows the peak of the PxQ=TR curve. I would only guess that TR could be higher than it is at the current price points.
I also read rumors maybe even here that the next line of MBP's will offer a Blu-Ray option. I hope Blu-Ray is not mandatory. I have no interest in that technology at all.
To me spinning discs should be on the way out becuase moving parts always causes problems. I think media could and should be delivered via a thumb drive or SD card.
Like this ...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Beatles+...=01&id=2062730
If this this 25 percent growth holds true, I'm sure it'll just be written off as a rounding error by Ballmer and all his fanbois on this site.
To be fair, iMacs contributing 25% of Desktop growth (quoted at 3% overall) means that iMac growth will add 0.75% to global desktop growth (based on 70% or so iMac sales growth) which still means that the iMac is a rounding error in overall sales... but that is still explosive growth at high margins for Apple.
Oh give it a rest.
I haven't had a virus on a PC in the best part of a decade.
Neither do most people on technology blogs, genius.