Google cancels Verizon Nexus One, BlackBerry 6 coming Q3 2010

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  • Reply 21 of 59
    nofeernofeer Posts: 2,427member
    Funny how no comments on the new BB OS

    yea like it matters

    just think all those apps that only a few fragmented

    BB users can use

    android is the same

    companies still push features till you realize you don't have

    the OS you want

    when they say we have x # of apps for BB or android

    they should be held to the reality that many won't work



    SJ is right it's the OS
  • Reply 22 of 59
    ihxoihxo Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by replicant View Post


    With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.



    looks to me the only company they helped was HTC.



    Nexus one is essentially the HTC Passion. With the Nexus label, they helped HTC become the de fecto standard Android fanboy worship ground.
  • Reply 23 of 59
    smiles77smiles77 Posts: 668member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NOFEER View Post


    Funny how no comments on the new BB OS

    yea like it matters

    just think all those apps that only a few fragmented

    BB users can use

    android is the same

    companies still push features till you realize you don't have

    the OS you want

    when they say we have x # of apps for BB or android

    they should be held to the reality that many won't work



    SJ is right it's the OS



    Wow. I must

    say, the breaks

    in that post were

    confusing to

    say nothing about

    nearly incoherent.
  • Reply 24 of 59
    clexmanclexman Posts: 208member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post


    Agreed. Verizon is in a heap of trouble. While many misinformed critics suggest that Verizon has a superior newtork, the reality is that it is slow, old, and obsolete. No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.



    Nexus One may be out for Verizon, but its still "coming soon" for Sprint. CDMA is not dead yet. More people in this country use CDMA than GSM.



    http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoen...3426&highlight
  • Reply 25 of 59
    williamgwilliamg Posts: 322member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post


    No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.



    None, except for HTC, RIM, Motorola, Samsung and more...



    All Global. All have new CDMA products.
  • Reply 26 of 59
    ktappektappe Posts: 823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post


    That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.



    Bad analogy. Macs were not technically inferior to PC's the way Verizon's CDMA is to GSM. In fact, a good argument could be made the other way; Verizon is the technically-inferior but more numerous PC. Except that it has a half-dozen Apples coming after it, not just one.
  • Reply 27 of 59
    rob55rob55 Posts: 1,291member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by clexman View Post


    Nexus One may be out for Verizon, but its still "coming soon" for Sprint. CDMA is not dead yet. More people in this country use CDMA than GSM.



    Well, for that matter, more people still watch standard definition than high definition. That doesn't make standard definition better, it's just been around for many years. Check back in a few years, standard def and CDMA will both be gone.
  • Reply 28 of 59
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,092member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post


    That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.



    I see your point of view but PC's and handsets are different beasts. Apple was always a premium provider. It did not require 3rd party providers to necessarily commit big investments to use their platform.



    Verizon (would like to think) is a premium provider based on their higher voice-quality adverts in this scenario. But a 3rd-party (Google) would have to commit lots of resources for limited payback.



    Apple always did things on their own with minimal help from outsiders. Verizon does not make their own hardware and their "partners" don't want to outlay capital if they don't think they will get a good ROI.
  • Reply 29 of 59
    maccherrymaccherry Posts: 924member
    This was planned from the jump!

    Google just wanted to get their stock up with a phone of their own but they knew they weren't in it for the long haul.

    This is corporate BS at its best!

    Google wins no matter what cause Android their mobile bread and butter for advertising money. As for the cell makers, they have their own business model and that is to sell phones.

    HTC makes the N1 and that Incredible. They win no matter what also. And the early adopters of the N1 are running to the Incredible like flies to manure. And the early adopters of the incredible 1 will run to the Incredible 2(YOU KNOW THERE WILL BE ONE!) by the end of the year.



    Apple has a 1 phone per year business model. No other cell maker has that.
  • Reply 30 of 59
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member
    However, the Nexus One has just been launched in Europe. Just a few months late.
  • Reply 31 of 59
    clexmanclexman Posts: 208member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post


    Well, for that matter, more people still watch standard definition than high definition. That doesn't make standard definition better, it's just been around for many years. Check back in a few years, standard def and CDMA will both be gone.



    Nice analogy, except that the number of people watching SD is decreasing and those using CDMA is increasing in the US. GSM has also been around longer than CDMA. That doesn't make it better, its just been around for many years.



    WiMax is not CDMA and LTE is not GSM. So, technically they are both on their way out.



    My BB Tour from Sprint works in more places than anything AT&T sells. CDMA carriers have phones that also work on GSM, but there are not many GSM carriers that sell CDMA phones.
  • Reply 32 of 59
    g3prog3pro Posts: 669member
    The Nexus One won't be coming to Sprint either, primarily because the Evo 4g will be on that network in a few weeks.
  • Reply 33 of 59
    This whole fiasco was so obvious from the get-go. As I have said before, Google is trying to compete in so many different places and markets and segments -- all without a seemingly sensible strategy -- that many of its partners are getting ant-sy. People may have become increasingly suspicious of doing business with the company.



    After all, SJ, Apple, or AI readers are not the only ones that will have noticed what Google did with a 'partner' when they had an inside view.
  • Reply 34 of 59
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by clexman View Post


    Nice analogy, except that the number of people watching SD is decreasing and those using CDMA is increasing in the US. GSM has also been around longer than CDMA. That doesn't make it better, its just been around for many years.



    WiMax is not CDMA and LTE is not GSM. So, technically they are both on their way out.



    My BB Tour from Sprint works in more places than anything AT&T sells. CDMA carriers have phones that also work on GSM, but there are not many GSM carriers that sell CDMA phones.



    It looks like the GSM usage is increasing in the US over CDMA. AT&T has been outshining Verizon's growth, even if just barely, but T-Mobile is also growing while Sprint is having some issues.



    I'm ot sure about your BB Tour model but the problem I've seen with many of these "worldmode" phones is that the bands for North American GSM service are not included which still locks it into your CDMA and makes it impossible to use unless you're on another continent. Surely this won't affect all of them, but the fact that it is an issue with some is telling.



    You have to wonder if a worldmode phone is so great then why aren't all phones made like this. Is it cost? Is it the size of the radio components? The power usage? it's something because these aren't common elements for cellphones, even among CDMA carriers who are losing ground to GS M carriers.
  • Reply 35 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by replicant View Post


    With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.



    You're funny!



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post


    Not really. The Nexus One would not be the flagship on Verizon, because of the Incredible. Because of Android innovation, the Nexus One lost its slot.



    No spin.



    You're hopeless.
  • Reply 36 of 59
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,528member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maestro64 View Post


    Looks like Motorola and HTC had a little backroom conversation with them. VZ probably did not mind since it allow them to pits all these companies against each other.



    Not only that, but maybe VZ is trying their hardest to suck up to Apple, in the hopes of getting an iPhone on their network someday.
  • Reply 37 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post


    None, except for HTC, RIM, Motorola, Samsung and more...



    All Global. All have new CDMA products.



    Last chance to book passage on the Titanic! [USMB... somewhere in Denver, CO]



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  • Reply 38 of 59
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    Last chance to buy tickets for the Titanic!



    .



    That's not fair. Titanic passengers didn't know the ship was going to sink when got onboard.
  • Reply 39 of 59
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Dupe post
  • Reply 40 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by quinney View Post


    Not only that, but maybe VZ is trying their hardest to suck up to Apple, in the hopes of getting an iPhone on their network someday.



    Not only that, but maybe VZ is trying their hardest to suck up to Apple, in the hopes of getting their network on the iPhone someday.



    ...there, fixed it for you.



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