With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.
looks to me the only company they helped was HTC.
Nexus one is essentially the HTC Passion. With the Nexus label, they helped HTC become the de fecto standard Android fanboy worship ground.
Agreed. Verizon is in a heap of trouble. While many misinformed critics suggest that Verizon has a superior newtork, the reality is that it is slow, old, and obsolete. No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.
Nexus One may be out for Verizon, but its still "coming soon" for Sprint. CDMA is not dead yet. More people in this country use CDMA than GSM.
That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.
Bad analogy. Macs were not technically inferior to PC's the way Verizon's CDMA is to GSM. In fact, a good argument could be made the other way; Verizon is the technically-inferior but more numerous PC. Except that it has a half-dozen Apples coming after it, not just one.
Nexus One may be out for Verizon, but its still "coming soon" for Sprint. CDMA is not dead yet. More people in this country use CDMA than GSM.
Well, for that matter, more people still watch standard definition than high definition. That doesn't make standard definition better, it's just been around for many years. Check back in a few years, standard def and CDMA will both be gone.
That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.
I see your point of view but PC's and handsets are different beasts. Apple was always a premium provider. It did not require 3rd party providers to necessarily commit big investments to use their platform.
Verizon (would like to think) is a premium provider based on their higher voice-quality adverts in this scenario. But a 3rd-party (Google) would have to commit lots of resources for limited payback.
Apple always did things on their own with minimal help from outsiders. Verizon does not make their own hardware and their "partners" don't want to outlay capital if they don't think they will get a good ROI.
Google just wanted to get their stock up with a phone of their own but they knew they weren't in it for the long haul.
This is corporate BS at its best!
Google wins no matter what cause Android their mobile bread and butter for advertising money. As for the cell makers, they have their own business model and that is to sell phones.
HTC makes the N1 and that Incredible. They win no matter what also. And the early adopters of the N1 are running to the Incredible like flies to manure. And the early adopters of the incredible 1 will run to the Incredible 2(YOU KNOW THERE WILL BE ONE!) by the end of the year.
Apple has a 1 phone per year business model. No other cell maker has that.
Well, for that matter, more people still watch standard definition than high definition. That doesn't make standard definition better, it's just been around for many years. Check back in a few years, standard def and CDMA will both be gone.
Nice analogy, except that the number of people watching SD is decreasing and those using CDMA is increasing in the US. GSM has also been around longer than CDMA. That doesn't make it better, its just been around for many years.
WiMax is not CDMA and LTE is not GSM. So, technically they are both on their way out.
My BB Tour from Sprint works in more places than anything AT&T sells. CDMA carriers have phones that also work on GSM, but there are not many GSM carriers that sell CDMA phones.
This whole fiasco was so obvious from the get-go. As I have said before, Google is trying to compete in so many different places and markets and segments -- all without a seemingly sensible strategy -- that many of its partners are getting ant-sy. People may have become increasingly suspicious of doing business with the company.
After all, SJ, Apple, or AI readers are not the only ones that will have noticed what Google did with a 'partner' when they had an inside view.
Nice analogy, except that the number of people watching SD is decreasing and those using CDMA is increasing in the US. GSM has also been around longer than CDMA. That doesn't make it better, its just been around for many years.
WiMax is not CDMA and LTE is not GSM. So, technically they are both on their way out.
My BB Tour from Sprint works in more places than anything AT&T sells. CDMA carriers have phones that also work on GSM, but there are not many GSM carriers that sell CDMA phones.
It looks like the GSM usage is increasing in the US over CDMA. AT&T has been outshining Verizon's growth, even if just barely, but T-Mobile is also growing while Sprint is having some issues.
I'm ot sure about your BB Tour model but the problem I've seen with many of these "worldmode" phones is that the bands for North American GSM service are not included which still locks it into your CDMA and makes it impossible to use unless you're on another continent. Surely this won't affect all of them, but the fact that it is an issue with some is telling.
You have to wonder if a worldmode phone is so great then why aren't all phones made like this. Is it cost? Is it the size of the radio components? The power usage? it's something because these aren't common elements for cellphones, even among CDMA carriers who are losing ground to GS M carriers.
With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.
You're funny!
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Originally Posted by WilliamG
Not really. The Nexus One would not be the flagship on Verizon, because of the Incredible. Because of Android innovation, the Nexus One lost its slot.
Looks like Motorola and HTC had a little backroom conversation with them. VZ probably did not mind since it allow them to pits all these companies against each other.
Not only that, but maybe VZ is trying their hardest to suck up to Apple, in the hopes of getting an iPhone on their network someday.
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yea like it matters
just think all those apps that only a few fragmented
BB users can use
android is the same
companies still push features till you realize you don't have
the OS you want
when they say we have x # of apps for BB or android
they should be held to the reality that many won't work
SJ is right it's the OS
With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.
looks to me the only company they helped was HTC.
Nexus one is essentially the HTC Passion. With the Nexus label, they helped HTC become the de fecto standard Android fanboy worship ground.
Funny how no comments on the new BB OS
yea like it matters
just think all those apps that only a few fragmented
BB users can use
android is the same
companies still push features till you realize you don't have
the OS you want
when they say we have x # of apps for BB or android
they should be held to the reality that many won't work
SJ is right it's the OS
Wow. I must
say, the breaks
in that post were
confusing to
say nothing about
nearly incoherent.
Agreed. Verizon is in a heap of trouble. While many misinformed critics suggest that Verizon has a superior newtork, the reality is that it is slow, old, and obsolete. No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.
Nexus One may be out for Verizon, but its still "coming soon" for Sprint. CDMA is not dead yet. More people in this country use CDMA than GSM.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoen...3426&highlight
No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.
None, except for HTC, RIM, Motorola, Samsung and more...
All Global. All have new CDMA products.
That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.
Bad analogy. Macs were not technically inferior to PC's the way Verizon's CDMA is to GSM. In fact, a good argument could be made the other way; Verizon is the technically-inferior but more numerous PC. Except that it has a half-dozen Apples coming after it, not just one.
Nexus One may be out for Verizon, but its still "coming soon" for Sprint. CDMA is not dead yet. More people in this country use CDMA than GSM.
Well, for that matter, more people still watch standard definition than high definition. That doesn't make standard definition better, it's just been around for many years. Check back in a few years, standard def and CDMA will both be gone.
That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.
I see your point of view but PC's and handsets are different beasts. Apple was always a premium provider. It did not require 3rd party providers to necessarily commit big investments to use their platform.
Verizon (would like to think) is a premium provider based on their higher voice-quality adverts in this scenario. But a 3rd-party (Google) would have to commit lots of resources for limited payback.
Apple always did things on their own with minimal help from outsiders. Verizon does not make their own hardware and their "partners" don't want to outlay capital if they don't think they will get a good ROI.
Google just wanted to get their stock up with a phone of their own but they knew they weren't in it for the long haul.
This is corporate BS at its best!
Google wins no matter what cause Android their mobile bread and butter for advertising money. As for the cell makers, they have their own business model and that is to sell phones.
HTC makes the N1 and that Incredible. They win no matter what also. And the early adopters of the N1 are running to the Incredible like flies to manure. And the early adopters of the incredible 1 will run to the Incredible 2(YOU KNOW THERE WILL BE ONE!) by the end of the year.
Apple has a 1 phone per year business model. No other cell maker has that.
Well, for that matter, more people still watch standard definition than high definition. That doesn't make standard definition better, it's just been around for many years. Check back in a few years, standard def and CDMA will both be gone.
Nice analogy, except that the number of people watching SD is decreasing and those using CDMA is increasing in the US. GSM has also been around longer than CDMA. That doesn't make it better, its just been around for many years.
WiMax is not CDMA and LTE is not GSM. So, technically they are both on their way out.
My BB Tour from Sprint works in more places than anything AT&T sells. CDMA carriers have phones that also work on GSM, but there are not many GSM carriers that sell CDMA phones.
After all, SJ, Apple, or AI readers are not the only ones that will have noticed what Google did with a 'partner' when they had an inside view.
Nice analogy, except that the number of people watching SD is decreasing and those using CDMA is increasing in the US. GSM has also been around longer than CDMA. That doesn't make it better, its just been around for many years.
WiMax is not CDMA and LTE is not GSM. So, technically they are both on their way out.
My BB Tour from Sprint works in more places than anything AT&T sells. CDMA carriers have phones that also work on GSM, but there are not many GSM carriers that sell CDMA phones.
It looks like the GSM usage is increasing in the US over CDMA. AT&T has been outshining Verizon's growth, even if just barely, but T-Mobile is also growing while Sprint is having some issues.
I'm ot sure about your BB Tour model but the problem I've seen with many of these "worldmode" phones is that the bands for North American GSM service are not included which still locks it into your CDMA and makes it impossible to use unless you're on another continent. Surely this won't affect all of them, but the fact that it is an issue with some is telling.
You have to wonder if a worldmode phone is so great then why aren't all phones made like this. Is it cost? Is it the size of the radio components? The power usage? it's something because these aren't common elements for cellphones, even among CDMA carriers who are losing ground to GS M carriers.
With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.
You're funny!
Not really. The Nexus One would not be the flagship on Verizon, because of the Incredible. Because of Android innovation, the Nexus One lost its slot.
No spin.
You're hopeless.
Looks like Motorola and HTC had a little backroom conversation with them. VZ probably did not mind since it allow them to pits all these companies against each other.
Not only that, but maybe VZ is trying their hardest to suck up to Apple, in the hopes of getting an iPhone on their network someday.
None, except for HTC, RIM, Motorola, Samsung and more...
All Global. All have new CDMA products.
Last chance to book passage on the Titanic! [USMB... somewhere in Denver, CO]
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Last chance to buy tickets for the Titanic!
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That's not fair. Titanic passengers didn't know the ship was going to sink when got onboard.
Not only that, but maybe VZ is trying their hardest to suck up to Apple, in the hopes of getting an iPhone on their network someday.
Not only that, but maybe VZ is trying their hardest to suck up to Apple, in the hopes of getting their network on the iPhone someday.
...there, fixed it for you.
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