MacDonalds has sold billions of hamburgers, and so has increase in overweight people and diabetes.
Chevy outsells Lexus, Mercedes and BMW combined. Yet, no owner of these will ever trade their car in for a Chevy. And so it goes, best things come in small numbers.
Apple is never meant for the masses, only for the few who want the best. And iPhone is the best. It is not a smartphone, it is a SMARTERphone for the few intelligent people who want the best.
If Android is so good, why is Verizon giving them away? The clear answer is that not many people think it is any good.If AT&T ever do 2 for 1 for the iPhone, they will need the US Army to control the crowd of Android owners fighting to get an iPhone!
1. You need to realize that just because something works on YOUR phone doesn't mean it will work on every phone.
2. Furthermore, 2.1 is the latest version, yet you're claiming that it automatically notified you of an update and installed without difficulty? Since 2.1 is the latest version, you're lying. Or maybe you're trying to make us believe the same Google FUD that has been thrown around for so long.
3. Go back and read the thread about fragmentation and the fact that only a tiny number of Android phones have been updated to the latest version - with fragmentation being at the root of the problem.
So who do we believe? The thousands of Android phone owners who haven't upgraded because their is no upgrade available from their phone supplier or some anonymous person who's lying about the one issue we can verify? Hmmmmm.
Who pee'd in your cornflakes? I was just relating my experience.
1) Yes, I realize that just because something works on my phone that it might not necessarily work on every Android handset. Did I say that it did or is that your Pavlovian iFan instinct kicking in?
2) I was talking about updates in general. App updates come over the air. Is there a reason to believe that OS updates are delivered differently? Can you please post a link that OS updates are delivered differently from app updates?
3) Just because the carriers have f****d things up doesn't mean the process if broken. OTA is the best way to deliver updates. Even Apple is moving in that direction. I am sure Google is learning from the experience. We've seen updates slow down, which makes it easier for the OEMs to slap their skins on and pass it on. I am sure Google will figure out a way to deal with the carriers on updates eventually.
But it seems to me that a large, large part of the whole fragmentation complaint isn't based on users not updating at all. It's based on the fact that there are so many 1.5, 1.6 devices out there. And most of those aren't upgradeable to 2.1. But that I would argue is a function of Android being in its early days with rapid changes on hardware and software side. Now that Android's catching up, I doubt this will be the case much longer. 2.1 handsets will dominate in 2010.
By the way, have you ever used an Android device, or is it surfing the internets that makes you such an instant expert (and pompous ass)?
Yeah I blame Apple for killing my sales skills, I've worked for years selling phones in retail people coming in and asking for iPhone's is turning me into an order taker, there's no real challenge any more, my sales skills are getting rusty.
btw our walls are festooned with advertising for other phones, there are sixteen Nokia's on display, yet people just walk in and ask for iPhones.
I still sell other phones but iPhone's just sell themselves, mainly through word of mouth.
Your shop must be the exception, as Android phones are currently outselling the iPhone.
The Nexus One is hardly representative of the diverse Android marketplace. What you describe is difficult for the vast majority of users to do, simply because the option to update is provided when a given carrier makes an update available for one's specific model of handset. Android updates aren't automatically available to users when Google releases the update and may never be made available.
True enough. But the process is clearly evolving and a lot of it was hardware dependent. Just like you can't get iPhone OS 4 on a first gen iPhone, I would not want to run 2.1 on a G1.
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Originally Posted by Foo2
Google technologies are all replaceable.
They may be replaceable, but that doesn't mean they'll be replaced. Lots of email services around. People still use GMail. Lots of internet search engines around. People still use Google search. There's even sites that host user generated video. Not hurting youtube.
BTW, do you (or anybody else) know if there's any free turn-by-turn navigation services on the iPhone? That's the number one thing that people I know who have iPhones ask about. It'd be nice to point them in the right direction.
Who pee'd in your cornflakes? I was just relating my experience.
1) Yes, I realize that just because something works on my phone that it might not necessarily work on every Android handset. Did I say that it did or is that your Pavlovian iFan instinct kicking in?
2) I was talking about updates in general. App updates come over the air. Is there a reason to believe that OS updates are delivered differently? Can you please post a link that OS updates are delivered differently from app updates?
3) Just because the carriers have f****d things up doesn't mean the process if broken. OTA is the best way to deliver updates. Even Apple is moving in that direction. I am sure Google is learning from the experience. We've seen updates slow down, which makes it easier for the OEMs to slap their skins on and pass it on. I am sure Google will figure out a way to deal with the carriers on updates eventually.
But it seems to me that a large, large part of the whole fragmentation complaint isn't based on users not updating at all. It's based on the fact that there are so many 1.5, 1.6 devices out there. And most of those aren't upgradeable to 2.1. But that I would argue is a function of Android being in its early days with rapid changes on hardware and software side. Now that Android's catching up, I doubt this will be the case much longer. 2.1 handsets will dominate in 2010.
By the way, have you ever used an Android device, or is it surfing the internets that makes you such an instant expert (and pompous ass)?
Your posts are excellent all around. I think I'm going to like you.
I'm afraid their points are going to be lost on the fact that this is an Apple site. Some are out to attack the competition for the sake of it not being Apple...
I can confirm that the notification bar and pop-up window is exactly how Android handsets get their OS updates. I have a Droid and that's how it was done going from 2.0 to 2.0.1 and then 2.1. I have two friends using the Droid Incredible and when they got a small update, that's how it was done. My old college roommate bought a Droid Eris and when he got his update to go from 1.5 to 1.6, that's how it was done.
Now that 1.5 is the lowest mass-used Android OS version, I can confidentally say that this is how updates work across all Android OSs.
OTA updates are very convenient, fast, and simple to do. What I would love to see in the future is a mash of the Apple and Google ways of doing updates.
I believe the bolded part hits the nail in the head regarding jragosta. It seems that he read one article, posted on this site, no less, and then added his own spin on it (having to hunt for update files somewhere) and preaches that as the word of how Android works. No Android experience needed there!
jragosta, I believe it was your words that accuse other articles out there of spreading FUD against Apple without checking to confirm their stories. Looks like you have become your own complaint...
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Originally Posted by Jetz
BTW, do you (or anybody else) know if there's any free turn-by-turn navigation services on the iPhone? That's the number one thing that people I know who have iPhones ask about. It'd be nice to point them in the right direction.
If you are talking about something like Google Nav, then the iPhone doesn't have any free programs that I'm aware of. My roommate bought Navigon for $50 on the App Store and I think there's a TomTom version too. Not sure if Garmin has one or not... But each costs at least $50.
MacDonalds has sold billions of hamburgers, and so has increase in overweight people and diabetes.
Chevy outsells Lexus, Mercedes and BMW combined. Yet, no owner of these will ever trade their car in for a Chevy. And so it goes, best things come in small numbers.
Apple is never meant for the masses, only for the few who want the best. And iPhone is the best. It is not a smartphone, it is a SMARTERphone for the few intelligent people who want the best.
If Android is so good, why is Verizon giving them away? The clear answer is that not many people think it is any good.If AT&T ever do 2 for 1 for the iPhone, they will need the US Army to control the crowd of Android owners fighting to get an iPhone!
You do know that you can get an iPhone free on contract in Europe right? They have specials up here in Canada where they sell iPhone 3Gs for $29 on contract. So by your reasoning does that mean the iPhone is a POS?
As for Verizon giving away Android, why is that a sign of the poor quality of Android handsets? It could just as easily mean that Androids are really popular and that Verizon is using Android handsets to lure in more customers into long term contracts. That's certainly why iPhones are given away for free in Europe.
You previous post was excellent (as is this one). I'm afraid it's points are going to be lost on the fact that this is an Apple site. Some are out to attack the competition for the sake of it not being Apple...
I can confirm that the notification bar and pop-up window is exactly how Android handsets get their OS updates. I have a Droid and that's how it was done going from 2.0 to 2.0.1 and then 2.1. I have two friends using the Droid Incredible and when they got a small update, that's how it was done. My old college roommate bought a Droid Eris and when he got his update to go from 1.5 to 1.6, that's how it was done.
Now that 1.5 is the lowest mass-used Android OS version, I can confidentally say that this is how updates work across all Android OSs.
OTA updates are very convenient, fast, and simple to do. What I would love to see in the future is a mash of the Apple and Google ways of doing updates.
I believe the bolded part hits the nail in the head regarding jragosta. It seems that he read one article, posted on this site, no less, and then added his own spin on it (having to hunt for update files somewhere) and preaches that as the word of how Android works. No Android experience needed there!
jragosta, I believe it was your words that accuse other articles out there of spreading FUD against Apple without checking to confirm their stories. Looks like you have become your own complaint...
I've encountered that poster before too so apparently I'm a liar and anti apple too I suppose.
Guess you gotta be careful about saying your opinion and sharing your personal experience if it isn't expressing your undying love of apple or, get out your flak jacket!
Who pee'd in your cornflakes? I was just relating my experience.
1) Yes, I realize that just because something works on my phone that it might not necessarily work on every Android handset. Did I say that it did or is that your Pavlovian iFan instinct kicking in?
2) I was talking about updates in general. App updates come over the air. Is there a reason to believe that OS updates are delivered differently? Can you please post a link that OS updates are delivered differently from app updates?
3) Just because the carriers have f****d things up doesn't mean the process if broken. OTA is the best way to deliver updates. Even Apple is moving in that direction. I am sure Google is learning from the experience. We've seen updates slow down, which makes it easier for the OEMs to slap their skins on and pass it on. I am sure Google will figure out a way to deal with the carriers on updates eventually.
OK. so you WERE lying when you said that OS updates worked that way. You were just speculating.
Then you admit that the carriers have messed it up so it doesn't work, anyway.
The fact is that the published reports say that very few Android phones ever have the OS updated because of the fragmentation issue. You haven't refuted that in any way. All you did is destroy any credibility you might have had by lying and then admitting that you lied.
As for Google figuring out a way to deal with the carriers, I've been using computers long enough that I don't believe vaporware promises - especially when they don't even come from the vendor. The fact is that the problem exists and there's no sign of a fix on the horizon. Period.
BTW, do you (or anybody else) know if there's any free turn-by-turn navigation services on the iPhone? That's the number one thing that people I know who have iPhones ask about. It'd be nice to point them in the right direction.
We prefer to buy our apps at the App Store, thankyouverymuch. You get what you pay for.
OK. so you WERE lying when you said that OS updates worked that way. You were just speculating.
Then you admit that the carriers have messed it up so it doesn't work, anyway.
The fact is that the published reports say that very few Android phones ever have the OS updated because of the fragmentation issue. You haven't refuted that in any way. All you did is destroy any credibility you might have had by lying and then admitting that you lied.
As for Google figuring out a way to deal with the carriers, I've been using computers long enough that I don't believe vaporware promises - especially when they don't even come from the vendor. The fact is that the problem exists and there's no sign of a fix on the horizon. Period.
OTA updates are very convenient, fast, and simple to do. What I would love to see in the future is a mash of the Apple and Google ways of doing updates.
I dunno. I don't know a single iPhone owner that doesn't think that connecting to iTunes isn't a pain in the six. Anyway, I think Apple gets this. If I understand correctly, they are moving to an over the air model on the enterprise side. Now if only they would do that for every consumer.
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Originally Posted by AsianBob
If you are talking about something like Google Nav, then the iPhone doesn't have any free programs that I'm aware of. My roommate bought Navigon for $50 on the App Store and I think there's a TomTom version too. Not sure if Garmin has one or not... But each costs at least $50.
Yes like Google Nav. These days, I find that a lot of people I know, when shopping for a phone, want the navigation feature so they don't have to buy/use a standalone GPS. And if you are going to get a data plan anyway, then some kind of free nav service would make sense. Though, using Navigon or TomTom or Garmin apps have their benefits to be sure.
We prefer to buy our apps at the App Store, thankyouverymuch. You get what you pay for.
Indeed you do. Never said Google Maps Nav was necessarily better than say TomTom. But some of us would rather spend that money elsewhere. Seriously, are you suggesting you wouldn't appreciate it or use it, if Google Maps Nav was available on the iPhone (or if Apple launched a similar service)?
I've encountered that poster before too so apparently I'm a liar and anti apple too I suppose.
Guess you gotta be careful about saying your opinion and sharing your personal experience if it isn't expressing your undying love of apple or, get out your flak jacket!
Your mistake is to assume that discussion here is the normal give and take of factually based information sharing.
Instead, there are different rules to follow. Factual information that shows Apple in anything but a superlative light is discouraged. Many people come here to bask in the warm glow of Apple's cult-like distortion field. They want to hear great things to justify their decision to eschew the popular platform in favor of Apple.
They don't want to know facts. They don't want to discuss. They want to feel that they made the right choice by joining up. And to feel good because of it.
I dunno. I don't know a single iPhone owner that doesn't think that connecting to iTunes isn't a pain in the six. Anyway, I think Apple gets this. If I understand correctly, they are moving to an over the air model on the enterprise side. Now if only they would do that for every consumer.
Oh, I didn't mean that it was a complete pain to connect to iTunes. Google's way just cuts out the need for another computer so you can do the update wherever you happen to be. Both are perfectly fine ways of updating. I personally want to get the latest update the moment it's available for my phone, so I lean towards the OTA method.
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Yes like Google Nav. These days, I find that a lot of people I know, when shopping for a phone, want the navigation feature so they don't have to buy/use a standalone GPS. And if you are going to get a data plan anyway, then some kind of free nav service would make sense. Though, using Navigon or TomTom or Garmin apps have their benefits to be sure.
I had a Garmin nuvi 760 before I got my Droid. Now it sits in the glovebox most of the time. The one thing I like about the TomTom or Navigon software is that it shows a representation of the highway offramp and highlights which lane to be in. Hopefully Google will update to include that in the future.
Your mistake is to assume that discussion here is the normal give and take of factually based information sharing.
Instead, there are different rules to follow. Factual information that shows Apple in anything but a superlative light is discouraged. Many people come here to bask in the warm glow of Apple's cult-like distortion field. They want to hear great things to justify their decision to eschew the popular platform in favor of Apple.
They don't want to know facts. They don't want to discuss. They want to feel that they made the right choice by joining up. And to feel good because of it.
OK. so you WERE lying when you said that OS updates worked that way. You were just speculating.
Then you admit that the carriers have messed it up so it doesn't work, anyway.
The fact is that the published reports say that very few Android phones ever have the OS updated because of the fragmentation issue. You haven't refuted that in any way. All you did is destroy any credibility you might have had by lying and then admitting that you lied.
As for Google figuring out a way to deal with the carriers, I've been using computers long enough that I don't believe vaporware promises - especially when they don't even come from the vendor. The fact is that the problem exists and there's no sign of a fix on the horizon. Period.
Jetz is confirming what I said earlier and I confirmed what he said. Two completely different devices, so it's not just his phone that does it. Not to mention all the friend I have with different Android phones running 1.5, 1.6, and 2.1 confirming Android's updating process. There's no speculating. It's all OTA and it works. Maybe you should ask yourself why no one else is backing you up.
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Be careful - iPhone is getting plenty of overseas sales, while Android hasn't really made a big move offshore.
So in a US-only survey, the two could be comparable, with both in the range of about 3m units per quarter.
uh, what about the 2% to 24% survey worldwide android's done?
http://ryanspoon.com/blog/2010/03/30...4-in-feb-2010/
LOL
Chevy outsells Lexus, Mercedes and BMW combined. Yet, no owner of these will ever trade their car in for a Chevy. And so it goes, best things come in small numbers.
Apple is never meant for the masses, only for the few who want the best. And iPhone is the best. It is not a smartphone, it is a SMARTERphone for the few intelligent people who want the best.
If Android is so good, why is Verizon giving them away? The clear answer is that not many people think it is any good.If AT&T ever do 2 for 1 for the iPhone, they will need the US Army to control the crowd of Android owners fighting to get an iPhone!
I'm not really sure, what the hell this has to do with flash, but, amuse yourself I guess.
excellent BS.
Fixed that for you. You don't need to thank me.
Cheers.
1. You need to realize that just because something works on YOUR phone doesn't mean it will work on every phone.
2. Furthermore, 2.1 is the latest version, yet you're claiming that it automatically notified you of an update and installed without difficulty? Since 2.1 is the latest version, you're lying. Or maybe you're trying to make us believe the same Google FUD that has been thrown around for so long.
3. Go back and read the thread about fragmentation and the fact that only a tiny number of Android phones have been updated to the latest version - with fragmentation being at the root of the problem.
So who do we believe? The thousands of Android phone owners who haven't upgraded because their is no upgrade available from their phone supplier or some anonymous person who's lying about the one issue we can verify? Hmmmmm.
Who pee'd in your cornflakes? I was just relating my experience.
1) Yes, I realize that just because something works on my phone that it might not necessarily work on every Android handset. Did I say that it did or is that your Pavlovian iFan instinct kicking in?
2) I was talking about updates in general. App updates come over the air. Is there a reason to believe that OS updates are delivered differently? Can you please post a link that OS updates are delivered differently from app updates?
3) Just because the carriers have f****d things up doesn't mean the process if broken. OTA is the best way to deliver updates. Even Apple is moving in that direction. I am sure Google is learning from the experience. We've seen updates slow down, which makes it easier for the OEMs to slap their skins on and pass it on. I am sure Google will figure out a way to deal with the carriers on updates eventually.
But it seems to me that a large, large part of the whole fragmentation complaint isn't based on users not updating at all. It's based on the fact that there are so many 1.5, 1.6 devices out there. And most of those aren't upgradeable to 2.1. But that I would argue is a function of Android being in its early days with rapid changes on hardware and software side. Now that Android's catching up, I doubt this will be the case much longer. 2.1 handsets will dominate in 2010.
By the way, have you ever used an Android device, or is it surfing the internets that makes you such an instant expert (and pompous ass)?
Yeah I blame Apple for killing my sales skills, I've worked for years selling phones in retail people coming in and asking for iPhone's is turning me into an order taker, there's no real challenge any more, my sales skills are getting rusty.
btw our walls are festooned with advertising for other phones, there are sixteen Nokia's on display, yet people just walk in and ask for iPhones.
I still sell other phones but iPhone's just sell themselves, mainly through word of mouth.
Your shop must be the exception, as Android phones are currently outselling the iPhone.
The Nexus One is hardly representative of the diverse Android marketplace. What you describe is difficult for the vast majority of users to do, simply because the option to update is provided when a given carrier makes an update available for one's specific model of handset. Android updates aren't automatically available to users when Google releases the update and may never be made available.
True enough. But the process is clearly evolving and a lot of it was hardware dependent. Just like you can't get iPhone OS 4 on a first gen iPhone, I would not want to run 2.1 on a G1.
Google technologies are all replaceable.
They may be replaceable, but that doesn't mean they'll be replaced. Lots of email services around. People still use GMail. Lots of internet search engines around. People still use Google search. There's even sites that host user generated video. Not hurting youtube.
BTW, do you (or anybody else) know if there's any free turn-by-turn navigation services on the iPhone? That's the number one thing that people I know who have iPhones ask about. It'd be nice to point them in the right direction.
Who pee'd in your cornflakes? I was just relating my experience.
1) Yes, I realize that just because something works on my phone that it might not necessarily work on every Android handset. Did I say that it did or is that your Pavlovian iFan instinct kicking in?
2) I was talking about updates in general. App updates come over the air. Is there a reason to believe that OS updates are delivered differently? Can you please post a link that OS updates are delivered differently from app updates?
3) Just because the carriers have f****d things up doesn't mean the process if broken. OTA is the best way to deliver updates. Even Apple is moving in that direction. I am sure Google is learning from the experience. We've seen updates slow down, which makes it easier for the OEMs to slap their skins on and pass it on. I am sure Google will figure out a way to deal with the carriers on updates eventually.
But it seems to me that a large, large part of the whole fragmentation complaint isn't based on users not updating at all. It's based on the fact that there are so many 1.5, 1.6 devices out there. And most of those aren't upgradeable to 2.1. But that I would argue is a function of Android being in its early days with rapid changes on hardware and software side. Now that Android's catching up, I doubt this will be the case much longer. 2.1 handsets will dominate in 2010.
By the way, have you ever used an Android device, or is it surfing the internets that makes you such an instant expert (and pompous ass)?
Your posts are excellent all around. I think I'm going to like you.
I'm afraid their points are going to be lost on the fact that this is an Apple site. Some are out to attack the competition for the sake of it not being Apple...
I can confirm that the notification bar and pop-up window is exactly how Android handsets get their OS updates. I have a Droid and that's how it was done going from 2.0 to 2.0.1 and then 2.1. I have two friends using the Droid Incredible and when they got a small update, that's how it was done. My old college roommate bought a Droid Eris and when he got his update to go from 1.5 to 1.6, that's how it was done.
Now that 1.5 is the lowest mass-used Android OS version, I can confidentally say that this is how updates work across all Android OSs.
OTA updates are very convenient, fast, and simple to do. What I would love to see in the future is a mash of the Apple and Google ways of doing updates.
I believe the bolded part hits the nail in the head regarding jragosta. It seems that he read one article, posted on this site, no less, and then added his own spin on it (having to hunt for update files somewhere) and preaches that as the word of how Android works. No Android experience needed there!
jragosta, I believe it was your words that accuse other articles out there of spreading FUD against Apple without checking to confirm their stories. Looks like you have become your own complaint...
BTW, do you (or anybody else) know if there's any free turn-by-turn navigation services on the iPhone? That's the number one thing that people I know who have iPhones ask about. It'd be nice to point them in the right direction.
If you are talking about something like Google Nav, then the iPhone doesn't have any free programs that I'm aware of. My roommate bought Navigon for $50 on the App Store and I think there's a TomTom version too. Not sure if Garmin has one or not... But each costs at least $50.
MacDonalds has sold billions of hamburgers, and so has increase in overweight people and diabetes.
Chevy outsells Lexus, Mercedes and BMW combined. Yet, no owner of these will ever trade their car in for a Chevy. And so it goes, best things come in small numbers.
Apple is never meant for the masses, only for the few who want the best. And iPhone is the best. It is not a smartphone, it is a SMARTERphone for the few intelligent people who want the best.
If Android is so good, why is Verizon giving them away? The clear answer is that not many people think it is any good.If AT&T ever do 2 for 1 for the iPhone, they will need the US Army to control the crowd of Android owners fighting to get an iPhone!
You do know that you can get an iPhone free on contract in Europe right? They have specials up here in Canada where they sell iPhone 3Gs for $29 on contract. So by your reasoning does that mean the iPhone is a POS?
As for Verizon giving away Android, why is that a sign of the poor quality of Android handsets? It could just as easily mean that Androids are really popular and that Verizon is using Android handsets to lure in more customers into long term contracts. That's certainly why iPhones are given away for free in Europe.
You previous post was excellent (as is this one). I'm afraid it's points are going to be lost on the fact that this is an Apple site. Some are out to attack the competition for the sake of it not being Apple...
I can confirm that the notification bar and pop-up window is exactly how Android handsets get their OS updates. I have a Droid and that's how it was done going from 2.0 to 2.0.1 and then 2.1. I have two friends using the Droid Incredible and when they got a small update, that's how it was done. My old college roommate bought a Droid Eris and when he got his update to go from 1.5 to 1.6, that's how it was done.
Now that 1.5 is the lowest mass-used Android OS version, I can confidentally say that this is how updates work across all Android OSs.
OTA updates are very convenient, fast, and simple to do. What I would love to see in the future is a mash of the Apple and Google ways of doing updates.
I believe the bolded part hits the nail in the head regarding jragosta. It seems that he read one article, posted on this site, no less, and then added his own spin on it (having to hunt for update files somewhere) and preaches that as the word of how Android works. No Android experience needed there!
jragosta, I believe it was your words that accuse other articles out there of spreading FUD against Apple without checking to confirm their stories. Looks like you have become your own complaint...
I've encountered that poster before too so apparently I'm a liar and anti apple too I suppose.
Guess you gotta be careful about saying your opinion and sharing your personal experience if it isn't expressing your undying love of apple or, get out your flak jacket!
Who pee'd in your cornflakes? I was just relating my experience.
1) Yes, I realize that just because something works on my phone that it might not necessarily work on every Android handset. Did I say that it did or is that your Pavlovian iFan instinct kicking in?
2) I was talking about updates in general. App updates come over the air. Is there a reason to believe that OS updates are delivered differently? Can you please post a link that OS updates are delivered differently from app updates?
3) Just because the carriers have f****d things up doesn't mean the process if broken. OTA is the best way to deliver updates. Even Apple is moving in that direction. I am sure Google is learning from the experience. We've seen updates slow down, which makes it easier for the OEMs to slap their skins on and pass it on. I am sure Google will figure out a way to deal with the carriers on updates eventually.
OK. so you WERE lying when you said that OS updates worked that way. You were just speculating.
Then you admit that the carriers have messed it up so it doesn't work, anyway.
The fact is that the published reports say that very few Android phones ever have the OS updated because of the fragmentation issue. You haven't refuted that in any way. All you did is destroy any credibility you might have had by lying and then admitting that you lied.
As for Google figuring out a way to deal with the carriers, I've been using computers long enough that I don't believe vaporware promises - especially when they don't even come from the vendor. The fact is that the problem exists and there's no sign of a fix on the horizon. Period.
BTW, do you (or anybody else) know if there's any free turn-by-turn navigation services on the iPhone? That's the number one thing that people I know who have iPhones ask about. It'd be nice to point them in the right direction.
We prefer to buy our apps at the App Store, thankyouverymuch. You get what you pay for.
OK. so you WERE lying when you said that OS updates worked that way. You were just speculating.
Then you admit that the carriers have messed it up so it doesn't work, anyway.
The fact is that the published reports say that very few Android phones ever have the OS updated because of the fragmentation issue. You haven't refuted that in any way. All you did is destroy any credibility you might have had by lying and then admitting that you lied.
As for Google figuring out a way to deal with the carriers, I've been using computers long enough that I don't believe vaporware promises - especially when they don't even come from the vendor. The fact is that the problem exists and there's no sign of a fix on the horizon. Period.
OMG he was LYING!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO
OTA updates are very convenient, fast, and simple to do. What I would love to see in the future is a mash of the Apple and Google ways of doing updates.
I dunno. I don't know a single iPhone owner that doesn't think that connecting to iTunes isn't a pain in the six. Anyway, I think Apple gets this. If I understand correctly, they are moving to an over the air model on the enterprise side. Now if only they would do that for every consumer.
If you are talking about something like Google Nav, then the iPhone doesn't have any free programs that I'm aware of. My roommate bought Navigon for $50 on the App Store and I think there's a TomTom version too. Not sure if Garmin has one or not... But each costs at least $50.
Yes like Google Nav. These days, I find that a lot of people I know, when shopping for a phone, want the navigation feature so they don't have to buy/use a standalone GPS. And if you are going to get a data plan anyway, then some kind of free nav service would make sense. Though, using Navigon or TomTom or Garmin apps have their benefits to be sure.
We prefer to buy our apps at the App Store, thankyouverymuch. You get what you pay for.
Indeed you do. Never said Google Maps Nav was necessarily better than say TomTom. But some of us would rather spend that money elsewhere. Seriously, are you suggesting you wouldn't appreciate it or use it, if Google Maps Nav was available on the iPhone (or if Apple launched a similar service)?
I've encountered that poster before too so apparently I'm a liar and anti apple too I suppose.
Guess you gotta be careful about saying your opinion and sharing your personal experience if it isn't expressing your undying love of apple or, get out your flak jacket!
Your mistake is to assume that discussion here is the normal give and take of factually based information sharing.
Instead, there are different rules to follow. Factual information that shows Apple in anything but a superlative light is discouraged. Many people come here to bask in the warm glow of Apple's cult-like distortion field. They want to hear great things to justify their decision to eschew the popular platform in favor of Apple.
They don't want to know facts. They don't want to discuss. They want to feel that they made the right choice by joining up. And to feel good because of it.
Don't burst the bubble, or you will get smeared.
http://www.prlog.org/10660647-select...martphone.html
And that's one Android device I loathe...no multi-touch, out of date OS, but still selling like hot cakes in Japan.
I dunno. I don't know a single iPhone owner that doesn't think that connecting to iTunes isn't a pain in the six. Anyway, I think Apple gets this. If I understand correctly, they are moving to an over the air model on the enterprise side. Now if only they would do that for every consumer.
Oh, I didn't mean that it was a complete pain to connect to iTunes. Google's way just cuts out the need for another computer so you can do the update wherever you happen to be. Both are perfectly fine ways of updating. I personally want to get the latest update the moment it's available for my phone, so I lean towards the OTA method.
Yes like Google Nav. These days, I find that a lot of people I know, when shopping for a phone, want the navigation feature so they don't have to buy/use a standalone GPS. And if you are going to get a data plan anyway, then some kind of free nav service would make sense. Though, using Navigon or TomTom or Garmin apps have their benefits to be sure.
I had a Garmin nuvi 760 before I got my Droid. Now it sits in the glovebox most of the time. The one thing I like about the TomTom or Navigon software is that it shows a representation of the highway offramp and highlights which lane to be in. Hopefully Google will update to include that in the future.
Your mistake is to assume that discussion here is the normal give and take of factually based information sharing.
Instead, there are different rules to follow. Factual information that shows Apple in anything but a superlative light is discouraged. Many people come here to bask in the warm glow of Apple's cult-like distortion field. They want to hear great things to justify their decision to eschew the popular platform in favor of Apple.
They don't want to know facts. They don't want to discuss. They want to feel that they made the right choice by joining up. And to feel good because of it.
Don't burst the bubble, or you will get smeared.
apparently so!
OK. so you WERE lying when you said that OS updates worked that way. You were just speculating.
Then you admit that the carriers have messed it up so it doesn't work, anyway.
The fact is that the published reports say that very few Android phones ever have the OS updated because of the fragmentation issue. You haven't refuted that in any way. All you did is destroy any credibility you might have had by lying and then admitting that you lied.
As for Google figuring out a way to deal with the carriers, I've been using computers long enough that I don't believe vaporware promises - especially when they don't even come from the vendor. The fact is that the problem exists and there's no sign of a fix on the horizon. Period.
Jetz is confirming what I said earlier and I confirmed what he said. Two completely different devices, so it's not just his phone that does it. Not to mention all the friend I have with different Android phones running 1.5, 1.6, and 2.1 confirming Android's updating process. There's no speculating. It's all OTA and it works. Maybe you should ask yourself why no one else is backing you up.