from what i hear, androids marketplace leaves much to be desired. i'm hoping it's usably good for buying apps but i really want to start building them for it now that i got CS5
Not as good as the Apple app store. But that's more of a choice and app quality issue. It's coming along though. I see more and more iPhone apps getting ported to AM regularly. And if Android does gain marketshare, then of course, the popularity of the platform with developers will take off. For now, undoubtedly, the iPhone OS has the largest installed base.
If you are a good developer, there should be no reason why you can't make money off Android thought. Right now, I daresayt it's probably easier to get noticed in Android Market with a good app, than in the iPhone app store.
And while I don't know how difficult it is, given the number of apps that are appearing on both platforms, is it possible for you to develop for both, like many other developers?
Lastly, one thing to keep in mind with Android is that you don't have to necessarily distribute through Android Market. You can simply distribute your app through your own website or alternate Android app stores.
I'm a little surprised Apple bothered to respond - does that indicate that they are scared that such numbers could actually come out? Apple frequently just does their own thing and doesn't respond to reported numbers and only throws out their numbers slanted to make them look good.
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NEWSFLASH: Apple Public Relations says, "Apple is still the best!"
Though that survey probably has some major flaws, I am surprised by the casual dismal of a sample size of 150 000.
Yeah, sometimes "No comment" is the best answer you can give..
For example: "When did you stop beating your wife?"
Conclusion: The numbers indicate that Android-based smartphone sales are in the same ballpark as iPhone for Q1.
You say it as though it's a small accomplishment. If that's true (and I don't think Android sales have caught up to the iPhone yet), that'll be quite a feat. It means that Android is catching up (and may have caught up) to the iPhone. It means that Android is proving to be a decent competitor. It's saying a lot if your conclusion is true. I wouldn't minimize that point.
And it's not a bad thing. Competition means better stuff for lower prices for us consumers. Android is good for Apple fans too.
What I think is funny is that almost everyone posting on this thread is a troll or someone who doesn't normally post a lot. There's a reason for that.
Those are unassailable facts. iPhone is swamping Android in terms of sales and interest from both developers and customers world-wide.
Yes, whenever Apple publishes another record quarter, exceeds whatever, and sells beyond estimates when all the naysayers predicted doom, the trolls are always nowhere to be found except under bridges and parent's basements.
When one (skewed) article comes out that may even remotely show Android in the light, these AI trolls seem to have such a non-existent life that they feel the need to go and rant on an Apple fan-site. Sounds like they are the ones that need medical help. I have no desire to go to an Android fansite when pro-Apple news comes out and troll them.
Trolls... go away, and while you're letting the door hit your backside on the way out, please cancel your AI account too. Get a life.
The report says Android outsells iPhone. Android is an OS. iPhone is a smartphone. iPhone OS on the other hand is used on iPod Touch and iPad.
But when Android moves to PMPs tablets and netbooks I would not expect those numbers to be included in stats specifically about smartphone sales. In overall devices with Android OS, sure, but not in smartphone stats.
all companies are unethical to a degree. if apple is ethical, why is it doing business in China?
That's an incredibly racist comment. Are you implying that China is unethical? Merely because FOX news says it is doesn't make it so. The Chinese are very hard working people and often take jobs that no one else wants.
If you're referring to Apple doing its manufacturing in China then yes I guess you could say that it is unethical to take jobs away from Americans as an American company but then are there very many manufacturing plants in America setup like Chinese plants that Americans can go to?
Because of the products being sent to China to be made have had the spinoff of making those plants well setup.
If you really want to blame someone as unethical blame the US government who sets up all sorts of legal red tape in order to scam money off people who want to build factories and pay workers in their own countries. In fact it's not just the American government. Here in New Zealand we have something called Resource Consent that goes out of its way to ensure infrastructure and factory building is very difficult to do so companies go overseas to manufacture their products in order to actually get their production numbers up.
There aren't a lot of non-phone Android devices out there, so exactly what would such a distinction prove?
Model-for-model, brand-for-brand, iPhone *would* win over the Android, no question about that. But keep in mind that Apple doesn't sell just one iPhone model, there are three being sold right now, so it's not all of Android vs. one model.
Throwing the Touch is just a distraction as far as I'm concerned, because the category in question is clearly smart phones, not handheld devices (No DS) or mobile platforms in general. Out-of-category devices that happen to run the same OS isn't relevant to the category in question. Unless you also want to throw in iPaqs, ATMs, point-of-sale and other embedded devices that run Windows Mobile, and that might skew things in weird ways too, in ways not relevant to the survey in question.
iPod Touch is pretty smart too , so in this case it's very much relevant.
iPod Touch is pretty smart too , so in this case it's very much relevant.
Yes, it's a smart device, but it's not a phone, one key part of smart *phone*, thus not relevant in a tally of smart phones. I didn't think these distinctions were so difficult to handle.
I also don't see how it necessarily means that they're cherry picking information, if you pay attention to the information and the stats, you'll know what it means and what it doesn't. I think the information was set out pretty plainly, if the reader misinterprets that information, I don't see how it's anyone's fault but the reader's.
And no, I do not believe apples numbers either, just like they are claiming to be the 3 largest cell phone maker, well they dices that data down to smart phones only, but now people think they are number 3 in the world for all cell phones. People forget the assumption and caveats behind the analysis and draw conclusion which are not factual.
Well duh! Apple only competes in the smartphone market so why should it compare itself to the entire cellphone market? That's just ridiculous to state Apple is doctoring it's numbers to make itself look good by only concentrating on the market that they compete in.
That's like saying Mercedes sells more luxury cars than BMW does but only limiting those numbers to cars when BMW also makes motorcycles. It's not doctoring numbers it's comparing apples for apples.
Cry me a river Apple. BOGO complaints. One carrier complaints. Whose fault is that????????????? Crippled no-Flash phone??????????????
I will NOT get an iPhone as long as AT&T is the carrier. In fact, I and many others will NOT get an iPhone until it comes to Verizon and only Verizon.
Besides, with my DROID Incredible, I'm pretty sure I won't be asking for an iPhone in the future. And many more are in the same boat!
Attack that now all you want.
So you want Apple to cater to basically the low end of the market? What in its history or product philosophy has ever given you the indication that the company is interested in that?
I know its fun to shoot off your mouth, but Verizon? That's like saying I'll only buy an Apple when it becomes a Lenovo.
Just curious, do you use your droid to visit mac rumor sites?
She responds to a study showing Android outsold iPhone in Q1 of 2010 by saying that Apple has a bigger marketshare overall, which of course refers to sales since 2007...
The fact that Apple let the spokesgimp out of the box for this one is very revealing as to how big an issue this is. Surprised Jobs didn't just post a letter on apple.com...
She responds to a study showing Android outsold iPhone in Q1 of 2010 by saying that Apple has a bigger marketshare overall, which of course refers to sales since 2007...
The fact that Apple let the spokesgimp out of the box for this one is very revealing as to how big an issue this is. Surprised Jobs didn't just post a letter on apple.com...
If you want to allow children to buy porn, get an Android phone. We don't allow such content on our marketplace as a commitment to the quality of our service.
She responds to a study showing Android outsold iPhone in Q1 of 2010 by saying that Apple has a bigger marketshare overall, which of course refers to sales since 2007...
The fact that Apple let the spokesgimp out of the box for this one is very revealing as to how big an issue this is. Surprised Jobs didn't just post a letter on apple.com...
Apple should go back to not commenting on these matters, giving the appearance that they know something we don't lol.
That's an incredibly racist comment. Are you implying that China is unethical? Merely because FOX news says it is doesn't make it so. The Chinese are very hard working people and often take jobs that no one else wants.
They also have 0 environmental controls or regulations in China, Chinese employees handle hazardaous substances without the normally required (in the Western world) protective equipment, foreign companies negotiate wages directly with the government (who the employees can't vote for), and Apple has no liability for worker safety (this is "guaranteed" by the Chinese government).
How deep is your head in the sand? Have you never wondered why it's so cheap to have things made in China? No environmental regulations, nobody asking for a higher wage, much less insurance needed, and employees never take vacations or say no to overtime!
They also have 0 environmental controls or regulations in China, Chinese employees handle hazardaous substances without the normally required (in the Western world) protective equipment, foreign companies negotiate wages directly with the government (who the employees can't vote for), and Apple has no liability for worker safety (this is "guaranteed" by the Chinese government).
How deep is your head in the sand? Have you never wondered why it's so cheap to have things made in China? No environmental regulations, nobody asking for a higher wage, much less insurance needed, and employees never take vacations or say no to overtime!
Unfortunately, consumers would rather pay less for consumer goods than pay a premium to ensure the good welfare of the worker.
You guys do realize this is APPLEinsider.com. Go troll your own Android sites instead of coming here just to pick a fight. Apple is right though. i don't care if they're in 20th place. I'll still buy the next iPhone.
You'd buy whatever Jobs tells you to, no? .. And that just so happens to be exactly how Apple likes it. You are Apple's ideal customer. No questions asked.
But listen, try removing your blinders long enough to see what the trend really is now that Android is out full bore. Watch and see how Android devices further penetrate the market from every possible angle from here on out. No? Android-Apple-RIM
Well duh! Apple only competes in the smartphone market so why should it compare itself to the entire cellphone market? That's just ridiculous to state Apple is doctoring it's numbers to make itself look good by only concentrating on the market that they compete in.
They aren't doctoring the numbers, but they are choosing the ones that make them look better... as every company does. If they were announcing the revenue and profit they get in the handset market — which I think they have — it would behoove them to use the entire handset market as the per unit price drops significantly for non-smartphones.
Model-for-model, brand-for-brand, iPhone *would* win over the Android, no question about that. But keep in mind that Apple doesn't sell just one iPhone model, there are three being sold right now, so it's not all of Android vs. one model.
But since Apple never splits sales across models you are going to have a hard job proving it.
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from what i hear, androids marketplace leaves much to be desired. i'm hoping it's usably good for buying apps but i really want to start building them for it now that i got CS5
Not as good as the Apple app store. But that's more of a choice and app quality issue. It's coming along though. I see more and more iPhone apps getting ported to AM regularly. And if Android does gain marketshare, then of course, the popularity of the platform with developers will take off. For now, undoubtedly, the iPhone OS has the largest installed base.
If you are a good developer, there should be no reason why you can't make money off Android thought. Right now, I daresayt it's probably easier to get noticed in Android Market with a good app, than in the iPhone app store.
And while I don't know how difficult it is, given the number of apps that are appearing on both platforms, is it possible for you to develop for both, like many other developers?
Lastly, one thing to keep in mind with Android is that you don't have to necessarily distribute through Android Market. You can simply distribute your app through your own website or alternate Android app stores.
I'm a little surprised Apple bothered to respond - does that indicate that they are scared that such numbers could actually come out? Apple frequently just does their own thing and doesn't respond to reported numbers and only throws out their numbers slanted to make them look good.
NEWSFLASH: Apple Public Relations says, "Apple is still the best!"
Though that survey probably has some major flaws, I am surprised by the casual dismal of a sample size of 150 000.
Yeah, sometimes "No comment" is the best answer you can give..
For example: "When did you stop beating your wife?"
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Conclusion: The numbers indicate that Android-based smartphone sales are in the same ballpark as iPhone for Q1.
You say it as though it's a small accomplishment. If that's true (and I don't think Android sales have caught up to the iPhone yet), that'll be quite a feat. It means that Android is catching up (and may have caught up) to the iPhone. It means that Android is proving to be a decent competitor. It's saying a lot if your conclusion is true. I wouldn't minimize that point.
And it's not a bad thing. Competition means better stuff for lower prices for us consumers. Android is good for Apple fans too.
What I think is funny is that almost everyone posting on this thread is a troll or someone who doesn't normally post a lot. There's a reason for that.
Those are unassailable facts. iPhone is swamping Android in terms of sales and interest from both developers and customers world-wide.
Yes, whenever Apple publishes another record quarter, exceeds whatever, and sells beyond estimates when all the naysayers predicted doom, the trolls are always nowhere to be found except under bridges and parent's basements.
When one (skewed) article comes out that may even remotely show Android in the light, these AI trolls seem to have such a non-existent life that they feel the need to go and rant on an Apple fan-site. Sounds like they are the ones that need medical help. I have no desire to go to an Android fansite when pro-Apple news comes out and troll them.
Trolls... go away, and while you're letting the door hit your backside on the way out, please cancel your AI account too. Get a life.
The report says Android outsells iPhone. Android is an OS. iPhone is a smartphone. iPhone OS on the other hand is used on iPod Touch and iPad.
But when Android moves to PMPs tablets and netbooks I would not expect those numbers to be included in stats specifically about smartphone sales. In overall devices with Android OS, sure, but not in smartphone stats.
all companies are unethical to a degree. if apple is ethical, why is it doing business in China?
That's an incredibly racist comment. Are you implying that China is unethical? Merely because FOX news says it is doesn't make it so. The Chinese are very hard working people and often take jobs that no one else wants.
If you're referring to Apple doing its manufacturing in China then yes I guess you could say that it is unethical to take jobs away from Americans as an American company but then are there very many manufacturing plants in America setup like Chinese plants that Americans can go to?
Because of the products being sent to China to be made have had the spinoff of making those plants well setup.
If you really want to blame someone as unethical blame the US government who sets up all sorts of legal red tape in order to scam money off people who want to build factories and pay workers in their own countries. In fact it's not just the American government. Here in New Zealand we have something called Resource Consent that goes out of its way to ensure infrastructure and factory building is very difficult to do so companies go overseas to manufacture their products in order to actually get their production numbers up.
There aren't a lot of non-phone Android devices out there, so exactly what would such a distinction prove?
Model-for-model, brand-for-brand, iPhone *would* win over the Android, no question about that. But keep in mind that Apple doesn't sell just one iPhone model, there are three being sold right now, so it's not all of Android vs. one model.
Throwing the Touch is just a distraction as far as I'm concerned, because the category in question is clearly smart phones, not handheld devices (No DS) or mobile platforms in general. Out-of-category devices that happen to run the same OS isn't relevant to the category in question. Unless you also want to throw in iPaqs, ATMs, point-of-sale and other embedded devices that run Windows Mobile, and that might skew things in weird ways too, in ways not relevant to the survey in question.
iPod Touch is pretty smart too
Apple actually has a spokesperson? What does she do the other 364.9 days of the year?
She says "no comment".
The report says Android outsells iPhone. Android is an OS. iPhone is a smartphone. iPhone OS on the other hand is used on iPod Touch and iPad.
if iPhone OS devices are fair game, why didn't they use respondent data including the variety of Android tablets out there?
iPod Touch and iPad data is irrelevant for smartphone numbers.
iPod Touch is pretty smart too
Yes, it's a smart device, but it's not a phone, one key part of smart *phone*, thus not relevant in a tally of smart phones. I didn't think these distinctions were so difficult to handle.
I also don't see how it necessarily means that they're cherry picking information, if you pay attention to the information and the stats, you'll know what it means and what it doesn't. I think the information was set out pretty plainly, if the reader misinterprets that information, I don't see how it's anyone's fault but the reader's.
And no, I do not believe apples numbers either, just like they are claiming to be the 3 largest cell phone maker, well they dices that data down to smart phones only, but now people think they are number 3 in the world for all cell phones. People forget the assumption and caveats behind the analysis and draw conclusion which are not factual.
Well duh! Apple only competes in the smartphone market so why should it compare itself to the entire cellphone market? That's just ridiculous to state Apple is doctoring it's numbers to make itself look good by only concentrating on the market that they compete in.
That's like saying Mercedes sells more luxury cars than BMW does but only limiting those numbers to cars when BMW also makes motorcycles. It's not doctoring numbers it's comparing apples for apples.
Cry me a river Apple. BOGO complaints. One carrier complaints. Whose fault is that????????????? Crippled no-Flash phone??????????????
I will NOT get an iPhone as long as AT&T is the carrier. In fact, I and many others will NOT get an iPhone until it comes to Verizon and only Verizon.
Besides, with my DROID Incredible, I'm pretty sure I won't be asking for an iPhone in the future. And many more are in the same boat!
Attack that now all you want.
So you want Apple to cater to basically the low end of the market? What in its history or product philosophy has ever given you the indication that the company is interested in that?
I know its fun to shoot off your mouth, but Verizon? That's like saying I'll only buy an Apple when it becomes a Lenovo.
Just curious, do you use your droid to visit mac rumor sites?
She responds to a study showing Android outsold iPhone in Q1 of 2010 by saying that Apple has a bigger marketshare overall, which of course refers to sales since 2007...
The fact that Apple let the spokesgimp out of the box for this one is very revealing as to how big an issue this is. Surprised Jobs didn't just post a letter on apple.com...
Nice spin doctoring by Apple's spokesperson.
She responds to a study showing Android outsold iPhone in Q1 of 2010 by saying that Apple has a bigger marketshare overall, which of course refers to sales since 2007...
The fact that Apple let the spokesgimp out of the box for this one is very revealing as to how big an issue this is. Surprised Jobs didn't just post a letter on apple.com...
If you want to allow children to buy porn, get an Android phone. We don't allow such content on our marketplace as a commitment to the quality of our service.
- Sent from my iPad
Nice spin doctoring by Apple's spokesperson.
She responds to a study showing Android outsold iPhone in Q1 of 2010 by saying that Apple has a bigger marketshare overall, which of course refers to sales since 2007...
The fact that Apple let the spokesgimp out of the box for this one is very revealing as to how big an issue this is. Surprised Jobs didn't just post a letter on apple.com...
Apple should go back to not commenting on these matters, giving the appearance that they know something we don't lol.
That's an incredibly racist comment. Are you implying that China is unethical? Merely because FOX news says it is doesn't make it so. The Chinese are very hard working people and often take jobs that no one else wants.
They also have 0 environmental controls or regulations in China, Chinese employees handle hazardaous substances without the normally required (in the Western world) protective equipment, foreign companies negotiate wages directly with the government (who the employees can't vote for), and Apple has no liability for worker safety (this is "guaranteed" by the Chinese government).
How deep is your head in the sand? Have you never wondered why it's so cheap to have things made in China? No environmental regulations, nobody asking for a higher wage, much less insurance needed, and employees never take vacations or say no to overtime!
They also have 0 environmental controls or regulations in China, Chinese employees handle hazardaous substances without the normally required (in the Western world) protective equipment, foreign companies negotiate wages directly with the government (who the employees can't vote for), and Apple has no liability for worker safety (this is "guaranteed" by the Chinese government).
How deep is your head in the sand? Have you never wondered why it's so cheap to have things made in China? No environmental regulations, nobody asking for a higher wage, much less insurance needed, and employees never take vacations or say no to overtime!
Unfortunately, consumers would rather pay less for consumer goods than pay a premium to ensure the good welfare of the worker.
You guys do realize this is APPLEinsider.com. Go troll your own Android sites instead of coming here just to pick a fight. Apple is right though. i don't care if they're in 20th place. I'll still buy the next iPhone.
You'd buy whatever Jobs tells you to, no? .. And that just so happens to be exactly how Apple likes it. You are Apple's ideal customer. No questions asked.
But listen, try removing your blinders long enough to see what the trend really is now that Android is out full bore. Watch and see how Android devices further penetrate the market from every possible angle from here on out. No? Android-Apple-RIM
Well duh! Apple only competes in the smartphone market so why should it compare itself to the entire cellphone market? That's just ridiculous to state Apple is doctoring it's numbers to make itself look good by only concentrating on the market that they compete in.
They aren't doctoring the numbers, but they are choosing the ones that make them look better... as every company does. If they were announcing the revenue and profit they get in the handset market — which I think they have — it would behoove them to use the entire handset market as the per unit price drops significantly for non-smartphones.
Model-for-model, brand-for-brand, iPhone *would* win over the Android, no question about that. But keep in mind that Apple doesn't sell just one iPhone model, there are three being sold right now, so it's not all of Android vs. one model.
But since Apple never splits sales across models you are going to have a hard job proving it.