Apple responds to Android sales, says NPD data doesn't tell whole story

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  • Reply 81 of 225
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
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    Google's coming



    No, the "Snoop Nazi" is going down! Down 2.4% today alone.



    If the iPhone prototype disclosed by Gizmodo is to be believed, the next iPhone will have flash ... and a working flash at that!
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  • Reply 82 of 225
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member
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    Originally Posted by Superbass View Post


    Nice spin doctoring by Apple's spokesperson.



    She responds to a study showing Android outsold iPhone in Q1 of 2010 by saying that Apple has a bigger marketshare overall, which of course refers to sales since 2007...



    No, the market share she referred to was for sales in a defined period -- i.e., sales in Q1 of 2010. You're confusing market share with installed base -- i.e., all iPhones sold since it entered the market in 2007.
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  • Reply 83 of 225
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    If you want to allow children to buy porn, get an Android phone. We don't allow such content on our marketplace as a commitment to the quality of our service.



    - Sent from my iPad




    Hope you locked the browser on your kid's iPhone/iPad.
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  • Reply 84 of 225
    bstringbstring Posts: 104member
    This is good news for iPhone users... downward pressure on pricing, incentive to offer more features and hopefully encourage them to ease up on restrictions.



    It may not happen right away and next quarter will likely see a surge of iPhone 4 sales, but with the trend continuing, it will make Apple products more attractive for everyone. As a consumer of all kinds of products, Apple included, seeing one manufacturer way out in front is never a good thing. Fierce competition is very much applauded.
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  • Reply 85 of 225
    vic vicvic vic Posts: 1member
    Truth be told, this topic would not have been an issue if Apple would have crushed the competition by opening up the U.S. market from the onset. The exclusive deal with ATT has only stifle growth. If I were Mr. Jobs, I would have flood the market with Iphone like yesterday. The only reason why Android phones are gaining any market shares as we speak is because the lack of iphone availability on other U.S. carriers. Why can the world have access to the iphone but yet three quarters of the U.S. market is disenfranchise from owning an iphone. I would like to own a iphone but I would like to stay on the Verizon network as well.
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  • Reply 86 of 225
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member
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    ... next quarter will likely see a surge of iPhone 4 sales ...



    I think 'likely' underestimates the matter by several orders of magnitude. Next quarter's iPhone sales will stagger the smartphone market.
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  • Reply 87 of 225
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by bstring View Post


    This is good news for iPhone users... downward pressure on pricing, incentive to offer more features and hopefully encourage them to ease up on restrictions.



    It may not happen right away and next quarter will likely see a surge of iPhone 4 sales, but with the trend continuing, it will make Apple products more attractive for everyone. As a consumer of all kinds of products, Apple included, seeing one manufacturer way out in front is never a good thing. Fierce competition is very much applauded.



    +1



    This is great news for Apple fans. Next thing you know, Apple and AT&T will be offering iPhones free on contract. Some here will say that's a bad thing. But if you like Apple products and want an iPhone, it'll be great news for you!
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  • Reply 88 of 225
    nizynizy Posts: 24member
    Most of you have ignored 1 very important fact: the iPhone is far more profitable than ANY Android device or even the collective Android platform. Think of it this way, even if the Android platform outsells iPhone 2:1, Apple would still be making way more profit than any of those manufacturers and probably even them all combined.



    Need I remind you all that Apple has been a successful and very profitable pc maker not by high volume of sales, but by higher margin, lower volume products. Its a very different business model, and market share is not as important to its success.
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  • Reply 89 of 225
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Vic Vic View Post


    Truth be told, this topic would not have been an issue if Apple would have crushed the competition by opening up the U.S. market from the onset. The exclusive deal with ATT has only stifle growth. If I were Mr. Jobs, I would have flood the market with Iphone like yesterday. The only reason why Android phones are gaining any market shares as we speak is because the lack of iphone availability on other U.S. carriers. Why can the world have access to the iphone but yet three quarters of the U.S. market is disenfranchise from owning an iphone. I would like to own a iphone but I would like to stay on the Verizon network as well.



    1) AT&T accounts for 1/3 of the MNO subs, not 1/4.



    2) Even without an exclusive deal and locked device that still won't make the iPhone magically work on Verizon (or Sprint). Just look at the iPad 3G, which is unlocked and will only work on GPRS/EDGE do to HW limitations, not firmware or contractual limitations.
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  • Reply 90 of 225
    modul8trmodul8tr Posts: 10member
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    Originally Posted by Jetz View Post


    Hope you locked the browser on your kid's iPhone/iPad.





    The keyword in that quote was **marketplace**. This would mean a specific service that Apple would intentionally bundle on your phone for the procurement of all things porn.





    If you want porn, everyone knows you can find it with a browser. That's not the same as Apple providing it to you. But, of course, you already knew this.
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  • Reply 91 of 225
    soskoksoskok Posts: 107member
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    Hope you locked the browser on your kid's iPhone/iPad



    What so bad about kids watching pron?



    If it is the problem buy any usual phone for your kid. Nokias and SonyErricssons a pretty good.
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  • Reply 92 of 225
    [QUOTE=lowededwookie;1630372]That's an incredibly racist comment. Are you implying that China is unethical? Merely because FOX news says it is doesn't make it so. The Chinese are very hard working people and often take jobs that no one else wants.







    Huh? I think you missed my point. I said ALL companies are unethical to some degree. Also, Fox News in the US supports businesses in China. They support free trade between the two countries or any country as a matter of fact. I don't know what they feed you in ANZAC but it sounds quite the opposite.
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  • Reply 93 of 225
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,713member
    There was a recent survey that showed that of the customers of the three other networks, 49% would buy an iPhone if it were available there. for Verizon, that percentage rose to 52%.



    So, it seems pretty obvious that Apple could have sold a lot more phones if it were available on all the networks Android is.



    The only reason why so many Android phones sold here was because the iPhone wasn't available on those networks. I'm not saying that Android wouldn't have sold well, just not as well as it did, and that the iPhone would have sold a lot better. This would have reversed their positions last quarter.
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  • Reply 94 of 225
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    Originally Posted by benice View Post


    Should retailers really should be in the business of providing healthcare to anyone anyhow?







    There's nothing inherently unethical about doing business in China whatsoever. In fact doing business there enriches 1) the Chinese workers and companies doing the manufacturing; 2) Apple as the producer and 3) us as consumers by lowering the cost of goods.



    Spoken like a true capitalist!
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  • Reply 95 of 225
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by nizy View Post


    Most of you have ignored 1 very important fact: the iPhone is far more profitable than ANY Android device or even the collective Android platform. Think of it this way, even if the Android platform outsells iPhone 2:1, Apple would still be making way more profit than any of those manufacturers and probably even them all combined.



    Need I remind you all that Apple has been a successful and very profitable pc maker not by high volume of sales, but by higher margin, lower volume products. Its a very different business model, and market share is not as important to its success.



    I am not a AAPL stockholder. So this matters to me how? If anything, shouldn't I be delighted if Apple makes less off me?
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  • Reply 96 of 225
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by modul8tr View Post


    The keyword in that quote was **marketplace**. This would mean a specific service that Apple would intentionally bundle on your phone for the procurement of all things porn.





    If you want porn, everyone knows you can find it with a browser. That's not the same as Apple providing it to you. But, of course, you already knew this.



    Except, if your kids care about getting porn, somehow, I don't think they'll stop looking after they check the app store/marketplace.
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  • Reply 97 of 225
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    There was a recent survey that showed that of the customers of the three other networks, 49% would buy an iPhone if it were available there. for Verizon, that percentage rose to 52%.



    So, it seems pretty obvious that Apple could have sold a lot more phones if it were available on all the networks Android is.



    The only reason why so many Android phones sold here was because the iPhone wasn't available on those networks. I'm not saying that Android wouldn't have sold well, just not as well as it did, and that the iPhone would have sold a lot better. This would have reversed their positions last quarter.



    That's the choice Apple made. If they didn't have that AT&T exclusive, Android wouldn't have been able to get a toe into the US market. iPhones would have been everywhere. But they made their choice. And the consequences are playing out. I hope Steve has a good out clause in his AT&T contract.
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  • Reply 98 of 225
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,713member
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    I am not a AAPL stockholder. So this matters to me how? If anything, shouldn't I be delighted if Apple makes less off me?



    It depends. A strong company can do more with its products, and take more chances. do you think that if Apple's sales were lower, and its profits were marginal, they could afford to come out with products that were not in their old line of business the way they have? They couldn't. With high profits, and a lot of money in the bank, they can afford to take chances that companies like Dell can't.



    They can also afford to sell higher quality products that small companies like Archos can't. They can also afford to support them better.
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  • Reply 99 of 225
    mudpudmudpud Posts: 38member
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    Just curious, do you use your droid to visit mac rumor sites?



    I use my brand new unibody MacBookPro to visit these pages.
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  • Reply 100 of 225
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jetz View Post


    I am not a AAPL stockholder. So this matters to me how? If anything, shouldn't I be delighted if Apple makes less off me?



    Absolutely not! A company that is profitable can put money toward innovation and customer service. They can take more risks with their ideas. If successful, then others follow suit trying to cash in on that success, thus pushing innovation throughout the industry which is better for consumers.



    The problem isn't with Apple charging too much, as their quarterlies obviously show their sales increasing, but that others aren't good enough to force Apple's profit per unit down.



    Do you really think the consumer is better off with the pre-iPhone smartphone market? Everyone who buys a smartphone, even if you never buy an iPhone, has gained from their advent into this market.





    edit: Pipped by Melgross.
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