well, I don't know what is accepted around here. But when someone constantly twists what you say, and then blatantly asserts you said something when clearly, you never did, then cuts and runs when confronted, what am I supposed to think?
Is this the accepted way of communicating here?
No. That's why so many people are pointing out how inappropriate it is for you to be doing it on virtually every one of your posts.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
Just like there are roughly 60-100 million Mac users they are easily 10 million linux users in the world.
Compared to the hundreds and hundreds of millions of Windows users Adobe prioritizes their devs by deployment size.
Just as Apple prioritizes the technologies it supports by their quality.
I don't think anyone cares if Adobe wants to produce a crappy technology that's slightly less crappy on Windows than on other platforms. Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
freezes my PC (winXP) through internet explorer 8 for god's sake. Granted the computer is a little old ('05) but it is a research machine with pretty decent specs given todays mid range personal computers: intel pentium(R) dual CPU; 2 Ghz, 3GB RAM) eons of open space on the 2TB HDD. Flash blows!
That's exactly the problem. No one in their right mind will allow Flash on their hand held platform regardless of what they say for the press. It's not just because Flash sucks, but because it undermines the platform's API. The platform becomes so totally dependent of Flash it might as well be Adobe's crappy platform. At that point Adobe can destroy your platform at will.
If Flash is so great then why did HP cancel their tablet after the great job that Adobe supposedly did on their UI? Why is Google buying BumpTop after the great job that Adobe did on their Chrome OS platform with Flash? I don't believe that Microsoft will allow Flash on their hand held platform when they already have Silver Light. That would be suicidal.
I am starting to really dislike Adobe. They are really turning into a parasite in the industry.
I don't think that's quite true. Now I realize am making an obvious assumption here that adobe will produce 10.1 and it will work, but you have even less proof than I do to disagree that the other handset makers won't allow flash "in their right minds". All the majors besides iphone have publicly announced they are working with adobe on the new player to bring it to their platform. Surely, Nokia who not only has shown themsleves to most friendly to flash, and even currently has the crappier V9 on their phones currently, will certainly have it, and we're pretty sure android, will have it. And bumptop has nothing to do with flash, it's a desktop UI and a pretty cool one at that I think.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
No. That's why so many people are pointing out how inappropriate it is for you to be doing it on virtually every one of your posts.
Just as Apple prioritizes the technologies it supports by their quality.
I don't think anyone cares if Adobe wants to produce a crappy technology that's slightly less crappy on Windows than on other platforms. Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
every one of my posts eh, it appears you are far more rude to everyone than I could try to be so I wouldn't be throwing stones in a glass house.
Apple is like a 5-star chef owned restaurant, and Steve is the chef. Just because you pay for your meal doesn't mean you get to go into the kitchen and change the recipe and cook it the way you like. His name is on it and you get it his way. You want it your way? Go to Burger King.
Wow. That sounds great.
But the 5 star restaurant allows random kids to serve free farts from the kitchen.
So I don't think that calling the App Store a 5 star restaurant works at all.
Adobe founders: "We believe that consumers should be able to freely access their favorite content and applications, regardless of what computer they have, what browser they like, or what device suits their needs,"
If this what they truly believe can they explain to me why I have to have their awful plugin on my computers to watch certain content on the web??? Shouldn't I be able to watch video's on the web without ever needing to install the flash plugin?
I don't think anyone cares if Adobe wants to produce a crappy technology that's slightly less crappy on Windows than on other platforms. Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
I don't think anyone cares if Adobe wants to produce a crappy technology that's slightly less crappy on Windows than on other platforms. Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
Yes, you have. From your very first post in this forum.
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Originally Posted by Groovetube
It seems many, mostly those who don't understand the full storey, try to make this as a html5 vs flash issue. It just isn't. It never was, until Steve Jobs, wants you to believe it is.
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As for the flash haters, well, all those annoying ads, etc etc., ain't gonna go away. It isn't the tool that causes them, and should flash actually go down, their will be another tool that will annoy you, even further.
Regardless of the rest you wrote, which was reasonable, you framed it in a context that essentially said that folks that disagreed either didn't understand, were only sheep following Steve or simple flash haters. Or all of the above.
On your first post.
Then followed it up with more snide comments about Steveness and Flash haters in later posts.
You are free to do so but don't be surprised if the folks here are extremely tired of folks like you. There has been a rash of trolls assaulting this forum for quite some time and tolerance for such idiocy is at an all time low. This is at least the 2nd time someone has pointed out that you're not acting in a civil manner and I expect you to blow it off again as your responding to attacks.
Your snide little digs are as annoying as Flash ads and about as productive in trying to convince folks that Flash (and you) is not an annoyance that should simply be blocked. Your little digs aren't clever and they are transparent.
Welcome to my flash blocker/ignore list. Unfortunately, I still have to page past the responses to your numerous posts but maybe I'll just skip all the flash threads entirely.
Well, I have to agree with Adoble somewhat. I mean, their technology sucks (and will die), but who is Apple to tell dev's what they can and cannot do. Apple is always preaching about the "open web", but consistantly heads in the other direction by restricting users from what "IT FEELS", is "BAD". Bad for who? Bad for Apple? Yeah. Apple is getting evil.
Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
Calm down.
It's pretty simple: if you don't want Flash, don't install it, don't use, don't visit sites that do.
When browsing the web with anything other than iPhone OS, you have that choice.
It's pretty simple: if you don't want Flash, don't install it, don't use, don't visit sites that do.
When browsing the web with anything other than iPhone OS, you have that choice.
Exactly, iPhone restricts a users choice. Apple says it is all for "open web" and "user choice". Sure doesn't seem that way to me. Apple controls everything, because it can. When users start to say screw Apple and go to other phones because they can use the content they want.... then maybe Apple will change.
Exactly, iPhone restricts a users choice. Apple says it is all for "open web" and "user choice". Sure doesn't seem that way to me. Apple controls everything, because it can. When users start to say screw Apple and go to other phones because they can use the content they want.... then maybe Apple will change.
How is it not clear that open web and open development for a platform are not the same issue? Open web. Web based on standards like HTML5. Not web based on proprietary software like Flash. Flash's software is not fully open sourced, many parts of it are not disclosed.
People are free to switch away from Apple if they aren't happy, but a ton more people will be jumping on an iPhone w/the new version, especially if they finally open up to other carriers. If Apple releases a phone for Sprint I'll buy my first Apple product ever (my dad bought the Apple IIe we had when I was a kid) and if they don't I'll pick up the new EVO 4G instead. Either way is a good phone. I won't install Flash on the EVO tho, I'd prefer to keep my battery life.
...and if they don't I'll pick up the new EVO 4G instead. Either way is a good phone. I won't install Flash on the EVO tho, I'd prefer to keep my battery life.
It's ironic that all these "iPhone-killers" create their product pages in Flash when they can't even be viewed on their own phones. Their is nothing in on the EVO page that can't be presented with more effiiency using open standards.
Open web and closed platform are two entirely different issues. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Originally Posted by md650
Exactly, iPhone restricts a users choice. Apple says it is all for "open web" and "user choice". Sure doesn't seem that way to me. Apple controls everything, because it can. When users start to say screw Apple and go to other phones because they can use the content they want.... then maybe Apple will change.
Yes, you have. From your very first post in this forum.
Regardless of the rest you wrote, which was reasonable, you framed it in a context that essentially said that folks that disagreed either didn't understand, were only sheep following Steve or simple flash haters. Or all of the above.
On your first post.
Then followed it up with more snide comments about Steveness and Flash haters in later posts.
You are free to do so but don't be surprised if the folks here are extremely tired of folks like you. There has been a rash of trolls assaulting this forum for quite some time and tolerance for such idiocy is at an all time low. This is at least the 2nd time someone has pointed out that you're not acting in a civil manner and I expect you to blow it off again as your responding to attacks.
Your snide little digs are as annoying as Flash ads and about as productive in trying to convince folks that Flash (and you) is not an annoyance that should simply be blocked. Your little digs aren't clever and they are transparent.
Welcome to my flash blocker/ignore list. Unfortunately, I still have to page past the responses to your numerous posts but maybe I'll just skip all the flash threads entirely.
no, don't put words in my mouth.
I suggested that those who view this as a html5 vs flash issue, don't understand the issues. I stand by that. That's my opinion.
And the flash hater comment, well, before I posted I read this forum quite a bit, to notice that there -some-, that said all kinds of obviously untrue things, because they hate flash.
It's not a dig at all. I'm sorry if you had all kinds of trolls come through here, but it isn't like the others don't throw jabs around quite freely as I found out within a few posts.
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What am I supposed to tremble?
well, I don't know what is accepted around here. But when someone constantly twists what you say, and then blatantly asserts you said something when clearly, you never did, then cuts and runs when confronted, what am I supposed to think?
Is this the accepted way of communicating here?
No. That's why so many people are pointing out how inappropriate it is for you to be doing it on virtually every one of your posts.
Just like there are roughly 60-100 million Mac users they are easily 10 million linux users in the world.
Compared to the hundreds and hundreds of millions of Windows users Adobe prioritizes their devs by deployment size.
Just as Apple prioritizes the technologies it supports by their quality.
I don't think anyone cares if Adobe wants to produce a crappy technology that's slightly less crappy on Windows than on other platforms. Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
That's exactly the problem. No one in their right mind will allow Flash on their hand held platform regardless of what they say for the press. It's not just because Flash sucks, but because it undermines the platform's API. The platform becomes so totally dependent of Flash it might as well be Adobe's crappy platform. At that point Adobe can destroy your platform at will.
If Flash is so great then why did HP cancel their tablet after the great job that Adobe supposedly did on their UI? Why is Google buying BumpTop after the great job that Adobe did on their Chrome OS platform with Flash? I don't believe that Microsoft will allow Flash on their hand held platform when they already have Silver Light. That would be suicidal.
I am starting to really dislike Adobe. They are really turning into a parasite in the industry.
I don't think that's quite true. Now I realize am making an obvious assumption here that adobe will produce 10.1 and it will work, but you have even less proof than I do to disagree that the other handset makers won't allow flash "in their right minds". All the majors besides iphone have publicly announced they are working with adobe on the new player to bring it to their platform. Surely, Nokia who not only has shown themsleves to most friendly to flash, and even currently has the crappier V9 on their phones currently, will certainly have it, and we're pretty sure android, will have it. And bumptop has nothing to do with flash, it's a desktop UI and a pretty cool one at that I think.
No. That's why so many people are pointing out how inappropriate it is for you to be doing it on virtually every one of your posts.
Just as Apple prioritizes the technologies it supports by their quality.
I don't think anyone cares if Adobe wants to produce a crappy technology that's slightly less crappy on Windows than on other platforms. Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
every one of my posts eh, it appears you are far more rude to everyone than I could try to be so I wouldn't be throwing stones in a glass house.
Trolling is when someone joins a thread just to do things like:... post contrary opinions;
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Wrong.
Apple is like a 5-star chef owned restaurant, and Steve is the chef. Just because you pay for your meal doesn't mean you get to go into the kitchen and change the recipe and cook it the way you like. His name is on it and you get it his way. You want it your way? Go to Burger King.
Wow. That sounds great.
But the 5 star restaurant allows random kids to serve free farts from the kitchen.
So I don't think that calling the App Store a 5 star restaurant works at all.
If this what they truly believe can they explain to me why I have to have their awful plugin on my computers to watch certain content on the web??? Shouldn't I be able to watch video's on the web without ever needing to install the flash plugin?
I don't think anyone cares if Adobe wants to produce a crappy technology that's slightly less crappy on Windows than on other platforms. Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
Best, most succinct post of the entire thread.
I don't think anyone cares if Adobe wants to produce a crappy technology that's slightly less crappy on Windows than on other platforms. Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
Are you calling Adobe a Liar and a Troll?
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I haven't made it personal at all.
Yes, you have. From your very first post in this forum.
It seems many, mostly those who don't understand the full storey, try to make this as a html5 vs flash issue. It just isn't. It never was, until Steve Jobs, wants you to believe it is.
...
As for the flash haters, well, all those annoying ads, etc etc., ain't gonna go away. It isn't the tool that causes them, and should flash actually go down, their will be another tool that will annoy you, even further.
Regardless of the rest you wrote, which was reasonable, you framed it in a context that essentially said that folks that disagreed either didn't understand, were only sheep following Steve or simple flash haters. Or all of the above.
On your first post.
Then followed it up with more snide comments about Steveness and Flash haters in later posts.
You are free to do so but don't be surprised if the folks here are extremely tired of folks like you. There has been a rash of trolls assaulting this forum for quite some time and tolerance for such idiocy is at an all time low. This is at least the 2nd time someone has pointed out that you're not acting in a civil manner and I expect you to blow it off again as your responding to attacks.
Your snide little digs are as annoying as Flash ads and about as productive in trying to convince folks that Flash (and you) is not an annoyance that should simply be blocked. Your little digs aren't clever and they are transparent.
Welcome to my flash blocker/ignore list. Unfortunately, I still have to page past the responses to your numerous posts but maybe I'll just skip all the flash threads entirely.
Except crash your mac. The open standards can't do that. SO THERE!
If you've never seen Safari crash without Flash installed you're a lucky man.
Where they get concerned is when Adobe tries to shove the crappy technology down the throats of everyone on the planet via their manipulation of the media.
Calm down.
It's pretty simple: if you don't want Flash, don't install it, don't use, don't visit sites that do.
When browsing the web with anything other than iPhone OS, you have that choice.
Calm down.
It's pretty simple: if you don't want Flash, don't install it, don't use, don't visit sites that do.
When browsing the web with anything other than iPhone OS, you have that choice.
Exactly, iPhone restricts a users choice. Apple says it is all for "open web" and "user choice". Sure doesn't seem that way to me. Apple controls everything, because it can. When users start to say screw Apple and go to other phones because they can use the content they want.... then maybe Apple will change.
Exactly, iPhone restricts a users choice. Apple says it is all for "open web" and "user choice". Sure doesn't seem that way to me. Apple controls everything, because it can. When users start to say screw Apple and go to other phones because they can use the content they want.... then maybe Apple will change.
How is it not clear that open web and open development for a platform are not the same issue? Open web. Web based on standards like HTML5. Not web based on proprietary software like Flash. Flash's software is not fully open sourced, many parts of it are not disclosed.
People are free to switch away from Apple if they aren't happy, but a ton more people will be jumping on an iPhone w/the new version, especially if they finally open up to other carriers. If Apple releases a phone for Sprint I'll buy my first Apple product ever (my dad bought the Apple IIe we had when I was a kid) and if they don't I'll pick up the new EVO 4G instead. Either way is a good phone. I won't install Flash on the EVO tho, I'd prefer to keep my battery life.
Thru Gruber!
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http://www.zeldman.com/wp-content/n4f.png
You beat me to it.
...and if they don't I'll pick up the new EVO 4G instead. Either way is a good phone. I won't install Flash on the EVO tho, I'd prefer to keep my battery life.
It's ironic that all these "iPhone-killers" create their product pages in Flash when they can't even be viewed on their own phones. Their is nothing in on the EVO page that can't be presented with more effiiency using open standards.
Exactly, iPhone restricts a users choice. Apple says it is all for "open web" and "user choice". Sure doesn't seem that way to me. Apple controls everything, because it can. When users start to say screw Apple and go to other phones because they can use the content they want.... then maybe Apple will change.
Yes, you have. From your very first post in this forum.
Regardless of the rest you wrote, which was reasonable, you framed it in a context that essentially said that folks that disagreed either didn't understand, were only sheep following Steve or simple flash haters. Or all of the above.
On your first post.
Then followed it up with more snide comments about Steveness and Flash haters in later posts.
You are free to do so but don't be surprised if the folks here are extremely tired of folks like you. There has been a rash of trolls assaulting this forum for quite some time and tolerance for such idiocy is at an all time low. This is at least the 2nd time someone has pointed out that you're not acting in a civil manner and I expect you to blow it off again as your responding to attacks.
Your snide little digs are as annoying as Flash ads and about as productive in trying to convince folks that Flash (and you) is not an annoyance that should simply be blocked. Your little digs aren't clever and they are transparent.
Welcome to my flash blocker/ignore list. Unfortunately, I still have to page past the responses to your numerous posts but maybe I'll just skip all the flash threads entirely.
no, don't put words in my mouth.
I suggested that those who view this as a html5 vs flash issue, don't understand the issues. I stand by that. That's my opinion.
And the flash hater comment, well, before I posted I read this forum quite a bit, to notice that there -some-, that said all kinds of obviously untrue things, because they hate flash.
It's not a dig at all. I'm sorry if you had all kinds of trolls come through here, but it isn't like the others don't throw jabs around quite freely as I found out within a few posts.
http://www.adobe.com/choice/
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