Adobe fires back at Apple with open letter, new ad campaign

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  • Reply 101 of 447
    masternavmasternav Posts: 442member
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    Originally Posted by MacApfel View Post


    That's right, that's too funny! Try out this http://home.disney.co.uk/ with having clicktoflash or another flash blocker installed!



    try it from a mobile device - especially if it has Flash lite installed!



  • Reply 102 of 447
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,722member
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    Originally Posted by Stevie View Post


    The 10.1 Beta is out, or will be very soon. They are working.



    Yeah, we all saw the YouTube video of 10.1 crashing the Android phone at the Web 2.0 conference in San Francisco earlier this month.



    http://www.youtube.com/v/3hqFTx8rLsg
  • Reply 103 of 447
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by John.B View Post


    This is patently untrue, and AppleInsider should be ashamed of "publishing" falsehoods like this. Flash runs on any modern browser on any version of OSX, including Safari. Flash also runs on Safari for Windows.



    Typically, AI is just searching for link bait. This is just basic journalism ethics (or the lack thereof). Sam Oliver (i.e. Prince McLean, i.e. Daniel Eran Dilger) and the rest of AI "editorial staff" should know better.



    you sure they weren't talking about iphone os?
  • Reply 104 of 447
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,581member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Stevie View Post


    The 10.1 Beta is out, or will be very soon. They are working.



    I doubt it for mobile. It's pre-alpha quality code currently, for one device. They might put out something called a beta, but there likely won't be beta quality code this calendar year, and, again, that's just on one device. Adobe are so far behind in supporting mobile platforms that it's not possible they will ever catch up.
  • Reply 105 of 447
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BC Kelly View Post


    .



    You say ...



    "No company -- no matter how big or how creative -- should dictate what you can create, how you create it, or what you can experience on the web."



    .



    So ...



    Now you'll release ALL your Software for FREE ?



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    .





    Can you explain that? How does it follow?
  • Reply 106 of 447
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by John.B View Post


    Yeah, we all saw the YouTube video of 10.1 crashing the Android phone at the Web 2.0 conference in San Francisco earlier this month.



    http://www.youtube.com/v/3hqFTx8rLsg



    It's not crashing. Android gives you a dialog when an app crashes.



    Here's the reviewer's comment (I really don't see why he would be lying):

    *Update: Just wanted to clarify, flash didnt crash here, I just accidentally hit the home button while I was really trying to hit the back button. Android users know that you get an error message if an app crashes, I know because I have a Nexus One. Theres hidden home,back, and power buttons (on the side of the prototype) u do not see in the videos/photos, sorry if that confused any readers.
  • Reply 107 of 447
    groovetubegroovetube Posts: 557member
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    Originally Posted by zindako View Post


    Flash does not run on any smart phone to date. And why did Adobe's response not touch on each bullet Mr. Jobs addressed in his first public letter?



    really?



    Well thanks for that important revelation. If we can figure out how this has to do with choice, we'll be even further ahead.



    No is disputing adobe has been lazy, and are under pressure to produce and release a working player. But I keep hearing this thing about being "forced". Personally I see a lot of choices out there. But I'm curious about being "forced.



    Forced to what?
  • Reply 108 of 447
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by Groovetube View Post




    And it won't. The shrieking about html5 "replacing" flash is, just shrieking. I don't see many full on flash experiences being replaced, anytime soon.



    The point isn't the 'full on flash experience' (whatever that is.)

    Its conflating that sideshow of jumping screaming attention grabbers with 'the full web experience'.

    Adobe is trying to claim that their porn/ad creation cash machine IS the web. It is most definitely not that.
  • Reply 108 of 447
    groovetubegroovetube Posts: 557member
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    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    good GOD it's like you people have zero concept of how software development works. Even the ipad had issues at first.



    It's rare for software to work perfectly in beta phase, much less in alpha phase.



    Face it: Pointing to flash crashing in the past instead of acknowledging the most recent progress made is really a blatant attempt at keeping yourself willingly misinformed.



    they're kinda like lemmings, they keep running and diving off the cliff.



    Everyone knows by now that particular demo, was totally unplanned, and he used a phone with an outdated player. But, they need -something- to hang onto, desperately.



    So let'im have his wee fun.
  • Reply 110 of 447
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
    [QUOTE=Solar;1631549



    That's the biggest feature missing from the iPad in my opinion.. I was watching a video on it the other morning and it was a bit chilly. I thought to myself "If only this thing would get hot enough to burn my genitalia, then it would be truly magical".[/QUOTE]





    Apple has long had heat problems with its portable devices.
  • Reply 111 of 447
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,524member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macdawg75 View Post


    Right, which is why it crashes on Android 2.2...not just fine. Also, if you noticed the demo...the phone was plugged in. Personally, I like the idea that the iPhone is mobile which means I can be out and about for extended times. Suspect that Android was plugged in so the demo didn't show the battery drain. If they didn't have anything to hide, they would have shown it mobile like a phone should be.



    Perhaps that's what Adobe is considering getting into...the huge battery pak business. By a huge battery pak to keep Flash operating while you take your cell phone mobile. Would love to see that media campaign.



    Something like this?







    Optional Shoulder strap:







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  • Reply 112 of 447
    groovetubegroovetube Posts: 557member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    The point isn't the 'full on flash experience' (whatever that is.)

    Its conflating that sideshow of jumping screaming attention grabbers with 'the full web experience'.

    Adobe is trying to claim that their porn/ad creation cash machine IS the web. It is most definitely not that.



    well if you don't know what a full flash experience is, well then exercise choice and just use click4flash or simply unistall the plugin! Easy Peasy!
  • Reply 113 of 447
    cgc0202cgc0202 Posts: 624member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shuntva View Post


    Everyone should remember that Flash requires nearly constant updates -- and is the single most frequent cause of security vulnerabilities.



    On a PC, I have to deal with a constant flood of updates (sometimes new ones are released before we can complete the prior update -- do we REALLY want this type of mess inflicting the iPad.



    I am glad that Apple is pushing the open standards HTML5 -- at least that is likely to work without major updates every few days. They have had many YEARS to issue a stable system and have yet to do so ... their time is past.



    Adobe is just playing the FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, and DOUBT game.



    Tell me about it. What you stated is the reason why I have no sympathy for Adobe's cause. If it were a much better company that had not short-changed its customers, I might have been more understanding. But then again, those companies, like many that adapted to the iPhone OS ecosystem decided to make amends, and play by the rules. To them, the bottom line is the profit that could be earned by targetting such a big market -- "85 million and growing" customers.



    While there are technologies that could co-exist, e.g., radio, movies, theatre, TV, etc.; there are times when certain technologies have to be left behind.



    Just imagine how our transportation network would be if the predominant "horse/donkey" modes of transport industry prevailed to be included in the modern transportation system.



    Maybe some manure collection and recycling stations? To cite one.



    Instead, imagine how many horse/donkey drivers had to part with their carts. All those stable boys, and horse trainers losing their jobs. And all those horses that had to be sacrificed. On a brighter note, I was surprised though how those "stables" in London were ingeniously transformed, as part of chic living quarters.



    Maybe Adobe should concentrate more to evolve, to remain relevant in a rapidly changing technology-oriented ecosystem.



    CGC
  • Reply 114 of 447
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,524member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Solar View Post


    Adobe ♥'s Apple



    Awesome! Does that mean we're gonna get a desktop flash browser that doesn't crash every 3rd page I look at, or cook my genitals when I'm watching video?



    Mmmm.... I detect a marketing opportunity for Adobe...



    Flash == Birth Control!



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  • Reply 115 of 447
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    The point isn't the 'full on flash experience' (whatever that is.)

    Its conflating that sideshow of jumping screaming attention grabbers with 'the full web experience'.

    Adobe is trying to claim that their porn/ad creation cash machine IS the web. It is most definitely not that.



    Again with the porn/ad comment?



    Did you really not stop and think that html5 is capable of porn and ads?



    Jeesh
  • Reply 116 of 447
    It's Spacely Space Sprockets vs Cogswell Cogs all over again.
  • Reply 117 of 447
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,581member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    .. Face it: Pointing to flash crashing in the past instead of acknowledging the most recent progress made makes no sense.



    What actual recent progress is that? And, a companies history of producing crappy software is entirely relevant in a discussion of whether it should be abandoned or not. Adobe has Flash running OK on one platform, Windows, and even their many would say it's no picnic. They have shown themselves to simply not be able to support multiple platforms (and this applies to all their software), and content publishers would be fools to bet on them to be able to do so now.
  • Reply 118 of 447
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post






    I feel mindful to start a class action on behalf of all unsupported device owners (except for Apple one's).



    Yours sincerely



    A happy iPhone owner.







    I love this forum.
  • Reply 119 of 447
    zindakozindako Posts: 468member
    There are quite a few porn sites that are re encoding their content to support H.264 video playback, I'm seeing more sites support HTML5 standards. I'm just curious though, if Adobe is so desperate to prove to the world they're not a proprietary standard, and they believe in open standards, when will they release the source code for Flash so it can be tweaked by the developer community into something more useful?
  • Reply 120 of 447
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Did you read Adobe's letter?



    In it Adobe is accusing Apple of restricting people's "freedom" by not "allowing" Flash on their mobile devices, thus not enabling them the "choice" to access Flash content on the Internet.



    Did you read my open letter?



    In it I detailed my failed attempt to download Adobe's Flash Player software to an Android 1.6 device (HTC Magic) due to the platform being unsupported by Adobe.



    Now if Adobe is accusing Apple of denying people "freedom" and "choice" by not allowing the Flash Player software on iPhone OS, what's Adobe doing by not allowing the Flash Player on my Android 1.6 device?



    Aren't they denying me my "freedom" and "choice" under their own definition?



    Remember it was Adobe defining these things in their letter.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Groovetube View Post


    no. You made absolutely ZERO sense.



    I want to know exactly, how adobe is preventing me, from choosing something. What devices is adobe not supporting, and how is this relevant.?



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