The greatest danger to personal privacy in the world.
Truly Orwellian to see them refer to 1984.
I wonder what the anti trust implications are for them leveraging their complete dominance of the search market (with a totally closed and closely guarded proprietary search engine) to give away an OS in order to help further grow that search dominance.
clearly, this is to deflect the dismal press they're getting regarding vp8 webm codec.
classic tactic of deflection?when you're getting beaten up in the press, put the focus on the other guy.
Or maybe to deflect from the bad press they are getting from, once again, violating the law with their illegal WiFi data collection program. Programming error? Yeah, right.
as a Mac user, and iphone owner, my thoughts on this are that:
1- Apple needs to open up their products more
2- iphone ought to be able to install programs/apps NOT distributed via itunes
3- apple ought not have to approve each and every app for the phone, stop being the gatekeeper and censorer!
4- apple ought to embrace tons more cellular providers, stop tying their service to carriers who they get income from. start focusing on allowing consumers to pick their own provider, not get bogged down with horrible service from AT&T
Apple also needs to open up
Apple TV - allow companies like netflix, sirius/xm, slingbox client, pandora and more to have programs work on it.
Ipad - just like on the iphone, Apple needs to open this up.
Sorry, but consumers are starting to feel what apple is doing. restricting users to their approved world view. yes 1984 in part. The hard problem here is that software can be opened up, Apple can become more friendly.
Apple ought to embrace Blu-Ray in desktops and definitely the Macbook Pro line.
Apple needs to stop its 1984 ... possibly evil tendencies.
I just can't get on board with this comment.
Yes these things would be nice to alot of people, but almost all of them involve apple spending money with no real gaurentee of making money.
We all need to rememeber Apple is a business.. weather your a fan of big business or not, you can't honestly expect them to spend time, money and resources on something that will give them little or no gaurentee for return. And I know the best common arguement is "well if they did these things, alot more people would want these products" but the reality is all of these things, in large part, only really make a difference to techy geeks like you and I who love to tweak, hack, unlock and expand anything we can get our hands on with a circuit. This seems over powering in here because we take up the vast majority of blogs, but in reality we are an extremely small fraction of the market.
Apple must first approach all of these things from a business perspective and ask themselves "is this in our best interests as a profitable successful company?" It seems so nice to just say "screw money, I'm just gonna do what the people want!!", and I know alot of company's try and slogan themselves like that but it just isn't how the world works.
I mean come on... all of you work for a living. Would you really go work all day for free?
But that information is not at all useful if one wishes to compare all Android OS phones with all iPhone OS phones.
Why restrict yourself to such subsets? They are useful for certain purposes, but useless for others.
Except that's a largely useless comparison.
If you're an application vendor or an advertiser, the iPod Touches out there are essentially equivalent to iPhones. They're the same size, similar in price, and are used almost interchangeably. So who would be interested in iPhones but not iPod Touches?
No one but Wireless carriers - and they have better information than this self-selecting survey that all the Android fans are bragging about.
I believe so. Apple's not in this to be the biggest player, they're in this to make a ton of profit and make devices they like to use. They're not going anywhere, and iPhones will continue to be iPhones and loved by many, but people who think iPhones will be the dominant smartphone OS are probably delusional.
Of course, iPhone will be far, far more profitable than Android is. Depends what your intentions are. Profit vs openness.
Google's intentions with Android aren't "openness". What Google wants is access to data and faces for its advertising. To Google that equates to profits.
Capitalism 101
The goal of business is to make a profit at the risk of a loss.
Damn!!! Oh no they did't. Damn so now Google is comparing apple to MS and IBM. This is a classic debate between unabashed freedom to do whatever you want in terms of UI, stability, applications, content (like porn) on one hand and quality, unified UI, filtered content, quality control and aggressive push for adoption of new standards to move the internet forward.
Google's OS is a lot more messy, splintered and unfiltered, much like Windows was/is in 84. Apple's software/hardware integration and tight quality and content control, and push for innovation are also unchanged. The only difference is that Google is also dead set on innovation, in a Microsoft sort of way.
I prefer Apple's way of managing an ecosystem and I think iOS is still better then Android in many aspects, however I would probably be a big fan of Google TV and possibly Chrome App Store. One fear I have is that Adobe will win the HTML5 war if Google lets it, and we will be stuck with flash once again, but who knows if Adobe can make flash really good and not battery intensive maybe it will turn out for the better (rather then supporting multiple video formats for different browsers.
Yes.. I believe they fall into the catagory of Government figures. Good expansion of my original comment though.. Thank you.
Maybe it depends on the locality but just like parsing the main issue of business, when politicians say bipartisanship it's more often than not little more than an optimistic thing they like to say. Though they do want to get rid of the smaller parties, in practice any meaningful behind the scenes cooperation is still less likely than them preparing a dirt file.
Its been shown the primary reason the Droid is doing well on Verizon is because the iPhone is not available. Most people on Verizon would much more prefer the iPhone. Android is the closest option.
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How could anyone say this with a straight face?
Android's marketshare is up over 800% year over year, iPhone up 112%. Extrapolate.
Android is already outselling iPhones in the US and is on pace to pass worldwide this year. Android is on a meteoric growth curve right now, growing far faster than iPhone is. And there's no reason to believe that won't continue with how many carriers, how many hardware makers they support. They're activating 100,000 Androids every day right now, and 12,000 apps were added to the Android Market in the past month alone. It's catching up very, very fast.
Its been shown the primary reason the Droid is doing well on Verizon is because the iPhone is not available. Most people on Verizon would much more prefer the iPhone. Android is the closest option.
Good point.. as well these are sales figures from a time from when a vast majority of the market is well aware that a brand new iPhone is right around the corner.
2- iphone ought to be able to install programs/apps NOT distributed via itunes
3- apple ought not have to approve each and every app for the phone, stop being the gatekeeper and censorer!
4- apple ought to embrace tons more cellular providers, stop tying their service to carriers who they get income from. start focusing on allowing consumers to pick their own provider, not get bogged down with horrible service from AT&T
You are not the first to say these things. People have been saying it for many years now. Apple doesn't follow this advice and only continues to be increasingly successful. Especially while other tech companies come and go.
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Sorry, but consumers are starting to feel what apple is doing.
What consumers are you speaking of? The phenomenal growth Apple is having and the increasing sales of its products do not indicate any problem from consumers.
Big Brother is an apt reference to Google - not Apple.
And if this guy is complaining that Apple exerts too much control, does not give choice to user etc., I wonder if he has seen GMail - I am tired of GMail's conversational style and was looking for ways to change to the regular mailbox style more common in MSN, Yahoo, etc. - guess what - Google decided for me, that conversational style was better - and did not give me the choice to see my mails in any other format. It was Google's way or the highway - not very different from what this complaining about Apple, is it?
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classic tactic of deflection?when you're getting beaten up in the press, put the focus on the other guy.
Truly Orwellian to see them refer to 1984.
I wonder what the anti trust implications are for them leveraging their complete dominance of the search market (with a totally closed and closely guarded proprietary search engine) to give away an OS in order to help further grow that search dominance.
clearly, this is to deflect the dismal press they're getting regarding vp8 webm codec.
classic tactic of deflection?when you're getting beaten up in the press, put the focus on the other guy.
Or maybe to deflect from the bad press they are getting from, once again, violating the law with their illegal WiFi data collection program. Programming error? Yeah, right.
i lol'd.
Steve job's does this kind of stuff in keynotes all the time.
It was funny then. It's funny now.
+1....
as a Mac user, and iphone owner, my thoughts on this are that:
1- Apple needs to open up their products more
2- iphone ought to be able to install programs/apps NOT distributed via itunes
3- apple ought not have to approve each and every app for the phone, stop being the gatekeeper and censorer!
4- apple ought to embrace tons more cellular providers, stop tying their service to carriers who they get income from. start focusing on allowing consumers to pick their own provider, not get bogged down with horrible service from AT&T
Apple also needs to open up
Apple TV - allow companies like netflix, sirius/xm, slingbox client, pandora and more to have programs work on it.
Ipad - just like on the iphone, Apple needs to open this up.
Sorry, but consumers are starting to feel what apple is doing. restricting users to their approved world view. yes 1984 in part. The hard problem here is that software can be opened up, Apple can become more friendly.
Apple ought to embrace Blu-Ray in desktops and definitely the Macbook Pro line.
Apple needs to stop its 1984 ... possibly evil tendencies.
I just can't get on board with this comment.
Yes these things would be nice to alot of people, but almost all of them involve apple spending money with no real gaurentee of making money.
We all need to rememeber Apple is a business.. weather your a fan of big business or not, you can't honestly expect them to spend time, money and resources on something that will give them little or no gaurentee for return. And I know the best common arguement is "well if they did these things, alot more people would want these products" but the reality is all of these things, in large part, only really make a difference to techy geeks like you and I who love to tweak, hack, unlock and expand anything we can get our hands on with a circuit. This seems over powering in here because we take up the vast majority of blogs, but in reality we are an extremely small fraction of the market.
Apple must first approach all of these things from a business perspective and ask themselves "is this in our best interests as a profitable successful company?" It seems so nice to just say "screw money, I'm just gonna do what the people want!!", and I know alot of company's try and slogan themselves like that but it just isn't how the world works.
I mean come on... all of you work for a living. Would you really go work all day for free?
But that information is not at all useful if one wishes to compare all Android OS phones with all iPhone OS phones.
Why restrict yourself to such subsets? They are useful for certain purposes, but useless for others.
Except that's a largely useless comparison.
If you're an application vendor or an advertiser, the iPod Touches out there are essentially equivalent to iPhones. They're the same size, similar in price, and are used almost interchangeably. So who would be interested in iPhones but not iPod Touches?
No one but Wireless carriers - and they have better information than this self-selecting survey that all the Android fans are bragging about.
I believe so. Apple's not in this to be the biggest player, they're in this to make a ton of profit and make devices they like to use. They're not going anywhere, and iPhones will continue to be iPhones and loved by many, but people who think iPhones will be the dominant smartphone OS are probably delusional.
Of course, iPhone will be far, far more profitable than Android is. Depends what your intentions are. Profit vs openness.
Google's intentions with Android aren't "openness". What Google wants is access to data and faces for its advertising. To Google that equates to profits.
Capitalism 101
The goal of business is to make a profit at the risk of a loss.
Where in that do you find "openness"?
.
I find it laughable when people suggest that business is "good" vs "evil".
Google entered the mobile market because they saw that they were being shutout of mobile advertising not because they wanted to be a super hero.
Someone should write a "brick my Nexus One" Android App and submit it to their app store.
I wonder if it will get approved.......
Good Sir, you are HILARIOUS.
Both Apple and Google have exactly the same driver and exactly the same goal:
Both want to maximize total profits.
I agree, Steve. That's why their ringing the bells of freedom don't ring quite true.
Both Apple and Google have exactly the same driver and exactly the same goal:
Both want to maximize total profits.
I agree, Steve. That's why their ringing the bells of freedom don't ring quite true to me.
Google's OS is a lot more messy, splintered and unfiltered, much like Windows was/is in 84. Apple's software/hardware integration and tight quality and content control, and push for innovation are also unchanged. The only difference is that Google is also dead set on innovation, in a Microsoft sort of way.
I prefer Apple's way of managing an ecosystem and I think iOS is still better then Android in many aspects, however I would probably be a big fan of Google TV and possibly Chrome App Store. One fear I have is that Adobe will win the HTML5 war if Google lets it, and we will be stuck with flash once again, but who knows if Adobe can make flash really good and not battery intensive maybe it will turn out for the better (rather then supporting multiple video formats for different browsers.
Yes.. I believe they fall into the catagory of Government figures. Good expansion of my original comment though.. Thank you.
Maybe it depends on the locality but just like parsing the main issue of business, when politicians say bipartisanship it's more often than not little more than an optimistic thing they like to say. Though they do want to get rid of the smaller parties, in practice any meaningful behind the scenes cooperation is still less likely than them preparing a dirt file.
How could anyone say this with a straight face?
Android's marketshare is up over 800% year over year, iPhone up 112%. Extrapolate.
Android is already outselling iPhones in the US and is on pace to pass worldwide this year. Android is on a meteoric growth curve right now, growing far faster than iPhone is. And there's no reason to believe that won't continue with how many carriers, how many hardware makers they support. They're activating 100,000 Androids every day right now, and 12,000 apps were added to the Android Market in the past month alone. It's catching up very, very fast.
... One fear I have is that Adobe will win the HTML5 war if Google lets it, and we will be stuck with flash once again ...
The Flash war is already over and Adobe has lost. For Google, the Flash thing is just an opportunity to poke Apple in the eye.
Its been shown the primary reason the Droid is doing well on Verizon is because the iPhone is not available. Most people on Verizon would much more prefer the iPhone. Android is the closest option.
Good point.. as well these are sales figures from a time from when a vast majority of the market is well aware that a brand new iPhone is right around the corner.
1- Apple needs to open up their products more
2- iphone ought to be able to install programs/apps NOT distributed via itunes
3- apple ought not have to approve each and every app for the phone, stop being the gatekeeper and censorer!
4- apple ought to embrace tons more cellular providers, stop tying their service to carriers who they get income from. start focusing on allowing consumers to pick their own provider, not get bogged down with horrible service from AT&T
You are not the first to say these things. People have been saying it for many years now. Apple doesn't follow this advice and only continues to be increasingly successful. Especially while other tech companies come and go.
Sorry, but consumers are starting to feel what apple is doing.
What consumers are you speaking of? The phenomenal growth Apple is having and the increasing sales of its products do not indicate any problem from consumers.
And if this guy is complaining that Apple exerts too much control, does not give choice to user etc., I wonder if he has seen GMail - I am tired of GMail's conversational style and was looking for ways to change to the regular mailbox style more common in MSN, Yahoo, etc. - guess what - Google decided for me, that conversational style was better - and did not give me the choice to see my mails in any other format. It was Google's way or the highway - not very different from what this complaining about Apple, is it?
Have blogged about this at -
http://prastalk.blogspot.com/2010/05...tle-black.html
1, 8, 64, 512
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There YOU go...
Why, of course. That is just brilliant, man!
Why don't you keep going for 8 more quarters, and Google will sell 8.5 billions of these, more than the population of the world!